What Different Shaped Flights Do To Darts
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Our top team throw darts with different shaped flights to explain to you all the different ways in which they fly through the air and what you can expect to find when changing the shape of the flight.
Matthew Edgar and Andy Cornwall look through the 4 key shapes of dart flight, Standard, Slim, Kite and Pear to help you find the right flight for your dart.
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Glad to see Mission brought on Matt. His equipment videos on his channel EdgarTV are great!
We are glad to have him on board, great team of knowledgable people at Mission Darts now !
Amazing to see Matt with Mission. Great addition to the team. Does this mean his own signature dart in the works?
I think you are on to something..
@@missiondarts 🤩
Happy to see Mission brought Matt on board... great addition!
Thought I would use nothing but standard flights. Found Velos. Love 'em!
It's always nice when you seem to have found the perfect equipment. Unfortunately, the honeymoon phase often doesn't last very long. After a while, I had really crazy deflections with the Velos because of the four, very elastic ends ... If you also struggle with this at some point: the Kite flights from one80 are more than 15% larger than the normal Kite flights from other manufacturers and have the same VAX value as the Velos: 3.9 out of 5.
Always had crazy deflections with any flight. That's what happens with tight groupings. Have used the Velos for over a year now. Scores way better. The deflections are offset by way tighter groupings. Again, thought I would use nothing but pentathlon standard. I was wrong as I'm hitting many more 180's per session now.
Thank you and have a great day!
Thank you for the lesson , there is so much information to the sport
Our pleasure!
Congratulations Edgar and Mission!
Thank you !
Length and weight of dart will also play a part here too. But I've found more than anything it's the length of stem that plays the biggest part in how a dart flies through the air.
As others have said, you really have to experiment and various manufacturers sell tune up kits which come with different length shafts and different shape flights. you need the right combination of both through trial and error to discover what set up works best.
Fantastic video which is presented well by the guys. Thank you, looking forward to more
Our pleasure! - Exciting times ( and videos ) ahead..
Any tips or videos on getting my fingers on the dart the same way every time without looking at the dart
A good introduction for beginners. But a few comments: It's funny that 2 of the 4 shapes shown are not offered by MISSION. The Slim shown have parallel edges, although the Slim flights from MISSION are trapezoidal and significantly larger. The last flights are, as Matt correctly said, Pear Flights (with the small tip at the top), but MISSION only offers the Teardrop Shape (circular at the top). This teardrop flight (even though MISSION also calls it the pear shape) actually stabilises the dart slightly better than the kite shape from MISSION, which is slightly smaller than the kite from some other manufacturers. In my opinion, the comparison of the insertion angles of all 4 flights at the end is therefore only correct for the standard and slim flight. Perhaps you would have noticed that the kite and pear/teardrop fly almost identically if one of you had thrown the kite and pear. In the Edgar TV video from 3 July 2020, you can see that the kites and teardrops (MISSION and Harrows Retina have exactly the same shape here) have the same insertion angle.
Really helpful - thanks for this!!
You're very welcome!
Are there any plans to do different sizes within the ranges of flight shapes?
Great info, thanks!
Kites are perfect in my opinion. Little bit less stable but still stable and makes my throw faster. Less deflections too
Great job Matt, very professional
Great video. I’ll keep this in mind when finally buying some darts. And Matt is great too 👍
Or just buy a board and pretend..
When it comes to dart flights, the best advice really is to experiment with different flights and figure out which one suits you best, sometimes you may have to change the flights if you change the barrels or make the stems longer or shorter.
Phil Taylor is one example, he went from pear flights in the late 80s - early 2000s to slim flights in the early 2000s - late 2000s to vapour s flights in the late 2000s - present day.
All because he changed his barrels throughout the years as he went from a mid weighted barrel to a front weighted barrel design.
Brilliant insight. Thanks Team Mission
Thank you, more to come..
Trial and error is what it boils down to. Over the years my darts have changed - getting shorter and faster with slim shaped flights. Started with standard, then threw with pears for years and years.
When I was playing I tried all different flights and picked tear drop/pear flights, seen everyone using standards, but they just wouldn't fly properly, I was using a very short dart though, think they were about 10 - 12cm (4 - 5in) tip to tail.
Sometimes a short dumpy barrel doesn't work with standard - Phil Taylor was a classic example of this
Great video. Very informative. Much appreciated guys. Well done!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi Matt I really struggle with standard flights and they alway land low, and block the treble so I switched to kite flights and my darts are in at all different angles but I don't really get that low dart anymore what would be the best flight for me to use?
Try Shape flights. Similar to standards but slightly smaller. This is what I use for this very reason.
@@dirtyharry2029 This is the exact progression I went through and for the same reasons mentioned here. Well “L3” in L-style lingo which is my current setup.
In any case, would recommend those as a middle ground to try.
Perhaps try a small standard no 6 shape
I did an extensive experiment about a year ago with multiple flights and stem length, Pear, Slims and Standard flights and short, medium, and Long Stems.
Conclusion = I now use a fixed stem and flight system, i.e Condor Axe, L with the standard flight shape.
The weight of the barrel is also a tricky one to get right, but after starting at 21g moving to 26g and working my way down, I now use the Target Bolides 03 24g, what a dart.
ADC, WDF in 2024 and QSCHOOL 2025 Better watch out lol 😂
how do you find using soft tips? would you recommend any in particular?
Thats quite a complex answer, maybe a video to come on that..
Flights are cheap enough, you might as well get several different shapes. That way, you can try them all with any darts you buy, since the weight distribution in the dart combined with your throw may do better with a different shape. Disclaimer: I can’t play darts well, but it’s fun trying.
Small flights worked very well for Phil Taylor !
As did a 1 finger 1 thumb grip...
I heard that Ryan Searle left Loxley also. Perhaps he joined Mission ??
We heard that too........
No, he joined Harrows.
sick video
Why 270 light? Can't see the flight
What would you suggest for someone who uses standard flights and still gets a relatively straight entry angle. My release is heavy and I get comments about how heavily I throw, but when I’ve tried to alter it I’ve got all messed up. Soft throws aren’t something I’m ever going to be comfortable with. I wouldn’t mind more of an upward angle though.
A good idea would be a front weighted dart or of course a Mission Precision session :)
Hello, I currently use kite type feathers and my darts fall a little low as if the feather was facing the ground, what can I do with that?
You best bet is to buy a research pack that has a set of each shapes and experiment
It depends on the dart weight big time. I throw Red Dragon 10 gram and the best flight I have found for them is pear shape.
slim for me, slightly point up, never been able to throw standards, land way too point down
Wouldn't the only scientific way to evaluate flights be with a robot for true consistent speed and release point? Andy said the dart was coming out of his hand very inconsistently. How could the shape of the flight affect how the dart comes out of your hand?
We didn't have a robot handy sorry...The shape of flight absolutely affects how it comes out of your hand, there are 3 points to the dart arriving at the board, the release, the flying, the landing, the smaller the flight the faster and different angle it comes out of your hand.
Edger to misson since when
He is fully on board with TeamMission now..watch this space Matt and Andy have some great videos planned
@@missiondarts misson are on mission 2024 good choose matt edger
I wonder if there is much difference between no 2 standards and no 6 standards which taper slightly unwards? Im convinced there is but would like a second opinion.
The No.2 shape (VAX: 4.5 out of 5) actually shows a completely different flight behaviour than the No.6 shape (VAX: 3.8 out of 5): No.2 has 10.2% more surface area and is also 3 mm wider.
What does VAX stand for please? Thanks for the information.@@knutvoberg4236
4:28 Can't deviohwait from an Edgar video.
I use standard flights and my darts sit downward in the board most of the time cant figure out why
Most likely griping past the balance point
Does the width of the barrel play a role as well?? 🤔
Width less. Weight, length of stem, etc. all play a role. The results he gave are a very simplistic way of saying "you have to try different weight barrels, stems, and flights to find what works for you."
I appreciate that! I throw the phil taylor gen 4s with the kite flights. They land in the board pretty flat, which I like for stacking. But was wondering if I'd be more consistent with the standard flights?
I am sure we will do a future video on barrel shapes
Doesn’t how the dart is balanced play a bigger factor like if you have a very front heavy dart you can still get an upward angle with a smaller flight?
Yes the balance is something we talk about a lot
I’ll have to save the money and come down for a fitting see where I’ll be different 😅
I personally think its how to throw the dart because I have tried every different shaped flight and stem there is and my darts always land flat.
I find the comments there in relation to the angle of entry are only relevant to the barrel weight and length, also the stem length and weight. I've experimented with lots of combinations over the years. If they had tried different types and shapes and weights of barrels you can get different effects with those types of flight. That was far from conclusive in my view.
Makes me consider pears actually. I’ll see if I have a set in my stuff drawer! Probably do tbh! Thanks for the tips!
What darts is andy using in this video!
All will be revealed in a couple of months....
What darts is Andy useing?
Designa Mustang darts, own a set myself & they are great. 👍🏻
You never know these could be a prototype for a new Mission range....
When I was a kid I used to try every flight stem dart ect still not a world champion 😂
Nothing astonishing and sensational. It is astonishing, that so few people ruminate and contemplate about the shape of the flights and how they can make them better to optimize the trajectory. Don't they possess scissors at home ?
Because consistency plays such an important role in darts, you have to work very precisely with a pair of scissors to reduce all 12 wings to the exact same size and shape. On the other hand, some people also play with 3 flights fanned out at completely different angles (between 90° and some that are almost as flat as in the darts case). They can then cut them with a pair of scissors - it makes no difference anymore ...
@@knutvoberg4236 Yes, you must cut very precisely every flight to the exact same size. Most simple cut means 2 cuts per flight (2 wings at once). Than the next, which you underlay under this flight and cut all around. And you can also use the overprint or the imprinted design of the flight to cut precisely and even. A little bit practice and it goes perfectly. What is the problem further ?
there is no standard flights
Yesss! @edgartv
i don't think the actual shape makes any difference.
it's purely a matter of surface area and drag, which needs to be balanced with the weight of the dart.
i use 2 types: standards on most, but slims on anything 18 grams and below.
Well the surface area of dart flights is down to shape so clearly the actual shape matters lol.
@@rossrobson91 lol fair enough.