The Art Of Self-Control: The Stoic Guide To Disciplined Action - Ryan Holiday
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Ryan Holiday is a podcaster, marketer and an author.
Discipline is one of the modern world's hot topics. Because it's become apparent that in order to achieve anything, you must be able to temper your desires and direct your efforts. The Stoics believed this 2000 years ago and between then and now there's been a plethora of historical examples which can teach us how to build and sustain discipline.
Expect to learn why sanity is your most precious resource, why discipline without an end goal is pointless, how to stay disciplined when success arrives, why Martin Luther King let a Nazi punch him in the face, how to enforce discipline without lambasting yourself for falling short, what Eisenhower's smoking habit can teach us about self control, why 75 hard might not build discipline long term and much more...
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00:00 Intro
00:28 The Power of Sanity & Consistency
09:53 Direction Helps Discipline
14:28 Maintaining Discipline at the Top
27:15 Lessons from Marcus Aurelius
38:08 How Principles Can Aid Focus
44:30 The Downside of High Standards
53:37 The Tragedies of Lou Gehrig & Babe Ruth
58:19 Can You Achieve Extreme Results in a Balanced Life?
1:08:02 What Ryan Learned from Queen Elizabeth
1:15:13 The Virtue of Persevering Through Trials
1:27:08 Dwight Eisenhower’s Smoking Habit
1:31:59 Cautionary Tales from History
1:37:13 Where to Find Ryan
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Hello you legends. Don’t forget to be constructive in the comments, avoid knee-jerking at all costs. Here’s the timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:28 The Power of Sanity & Consistency
09:53 Direction Helps Discipline
14:28 Maintaining Discipline at the Top
27:15 Lessons from Marcus Aurelius
38:08 How Principles Can Aid Focus
44:30 The Downside of High Standards
53:37 The Tragedies of Lou Gehrig & Babe Ruth
58:19 Can You Achieve Extreme Results in a Balanced Life?
1:08:02 What Ryan Learned from Queen Elizabeth
1:15:13 The Virtue of Persevering Through Trials
1:27:08 Dwight Eisenhower’s Smoking Habit
1:31:59 Cautionary Tales from History
1:37:13 Where to Find Ryan
Hey Chris, out of all the podcasts on UA-cam, your podcasts with Jordan Peterson all the way to life hacks with the boys is changing my life
Thank you
Hi Chris, I prefer your Skype style interview than the in person one. Not trying to be an arse, just fyi.
Can we be constructively negative?
Can we request not to have guests on again 😂
That brilliant, honest letter that Ryan wrote to his father, hurt the butt holes of all the people worshiping that demon Donald Trump 😅✊
Last year I paused from my busy life, that pushed me into a place that I didnt want to be. For the last 12 months, I focused deeply on thinking about how I got to that place, and how to get to where I want to be again. One word. Discipline. I got to a place I didnt want to be because of a lack of discipline, and will get back to where I want to be with discipline.
Great comment thank u
Goodluck!
You and me both bro good luck do it. Here I am listening to podcasts when I should be writing music though
Well spoken. I feel the same way. I've learned that in this life a person can run from many things, except shadows.
Sounds like you've implemented what Keith Cunningham calls THINKING TIME.
SO USEFUL FOR YOUR PERSONAL LIFE AND IN BUSINESS. It's worth searching out on UA-cam or reading his book.
"You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength." ~ Marcus Aurelius 🙏😊
Well you have some power of some outside events. It’s a relationship. Nature is feminine. Consciousness is masculine.
@@vv7299 whats with the bots comments 🤔 inside joke or something?
@@peripheralparadox4218 your the type of person that believes in star signs 😂
@@GrowthThroughStruggle you’re the type of person who thinks he knows someone based on a short paragraph. If you look at the characteristics of masculine and feminine and compare them with the characteristics of nature and consciousness, you will see that there is a correlation. But maybe you won’t, because you like to assume things rather than understand things. Kind of like how people who believe in astrology prefer to believe than understand.
@@peripheralparadox4218You think there is a correlation so you see a correlation. Confirmation bias. If you were objective you'd see that your position is irrational, as opposed to expecting others to adhere to your irrational and circular mistakes.
"The world is going to have to do really, really well to be able to torture me more than my own mind already did". That is some tough shit. This episode is awesome, you two have so great dynamic. Feels like sitting and listening to two really good friends talking. Thank you Chris and Ryan!
Yeah, I just heard him say that five seconds ago, and it rings so true. The world can kill me in a thousand ways, but it can't hurt me any worse, than I've already hurt myself. I guess there could be some strength in knowing that, if I ever get through to the other side.
@@Ozmogulhopefully you got through!
30 seconds in and this is gonna be a great podcast, chris is killing it, one of the best in the game by far right now.
This really hit home with me. Thank you so much, both of you. Wish I'd heard this conversation when I was in my early 30's and set out to manifest my dreams. Turned out I had no self discipline and because of that I have to make up for a lot of shortcomings now. Better late than never and today I really respect who I am. "More often than not" is definutely something I live by these days and that I am proud of!
Enlightenment can happen in a moment.
Martin Luther King is truly inspirational ♥️ I grieve that we have to fight such vitriol
I loved that you went straight into the interview, and it was very compelling. Rarely do I listen to anything all the way through, but this did the trick.
Been a huge fan of Ryan Holiday since 2020, love his books and breaking down philosophy into simple easy to understand sections
This is an amazing interview...
worth every second of your time.
Wow! I am grateful for your truly magnificent, scintillating, and enlightening podcast episode, Ryan Holiday and Chris Willx!
I will come back to this conversation again sometime. There are some very valuable things that I think I have missed.
This was an absolutely brilliant episode IMHO. Thanks!
I listened to this today while walking and finally just averaged the same pace over 7 miles as opposed to trying really hard. I listen to all of them and every single time I smile at the "thank you" and the intro music. Thanks for being someone that makes me feel like its ok to think alot.
Damn this one is so good. Had to stop often to journal my interpretation of the lessons I’ll take away. Thanks for changing lives with your conversation Chris and Ryan - I consume both of your content frequently!
Awesome talk between two of my favorite men in the space
Although you hurt my feelings@Chris Williamson, I still think you are the absolute BEST podcaster to have an intelligent, thought provoking conversation. I appreciate Ryan & his work. Thanks.
Ryan is the GOAT! Thanks for putting him on the podcast.
The writer and babysitter story might seem small but is gigantic. How man does one thing is how man does everything. Thanks for this one Chris.
Very powerful insights here, I like what was said about consistency instead of short bursts of 100% effort, even elite performers cannot sprint the entire time when working, they have to take some rests and breaks to ensure that they can make it in the long run
Just came here to comment, as I listened on Spotify. Great episode as always Chris!
John Daley is a good example of someone amazing that just crushed it in spite of himself!
Love how Chris casually mentions he's pals with BMTH. Class podcast.
A needed podcast in which I’m grateful to list to.
The part about our impulse to exaggerate: this is so true. Im 40 now, and i see many of my biggest mistakes where my exaggerations. Especially over working myself in my 20s. The chronic overwork has led to very negative mindset around working hard, trying hard, and has created trauma around effort, work and mo ey that Im now havi g to heal. All exaggeration is very very toxic. To have the guts and the clarity of mind to pace yourself in all things is the greatest skill. I am 40 and learning this 2 decades late. The price for exaggeration is very high. Stop, think and act smart. Life is a marathon, so sprinti g is just plain dumb. Nice and steady wins the race❤
I really think that the concept was grace would have been a very helpful addition to this conversation. How do you hold standards without being destroyed by them? Having grace for yourself is, counter intuitively, a great motivator.
@Chris Williamson that friend of your's has one of my most beloved bands of all time. I love that song
I love the idea of the inner citadel❤❤❤now that it is a palace worth building😊 its a concept im immediately in tune with
This podcast today helped me tremendously. I have recently been getting my life together and getting a fair amount of success accumulated. I lost my phone 2 days ago and for some reason I haven't really been myself. I'm most upset about the photos I had and the memories I have now lost. I took the day off yesterday almost completely. Today I haven't felt much better. I'm not a stranger to how to be good to yourself and be disciplined (and how those go hand in hand). But a strong reminder goes a long way. Having a day or two off isn't ideal but I'll get back on it because that is what is going to make me a more fulfilled and happy individual. Cheers guys
U ever heard of cloud storage
This is a great source of frustration for me, because I don't know what I want from life. I don't have dreams or career goals, so even though I strive to work hard etc it's not in service of anything.
I’m a Ryan holiday fan and now I’m a Chris fan too hahaha, I was waiting for this podcasters!
that was amazing ❤️ thank you from the bottom of my heart ❤️
Best one so far.
We suffer more often in imagination than in reality.”- Seneca, The dominant view nowdays would have you believe that you should always choose to be optimistic. That is really different from how Stoicism works.
“If you need any substance in order to perform then it’s stopped conferring a benefit” this is gold.
Great discussion! Been following and reading Ryan's work for a while. I have several one liners I often tell myself daily that I first heard from him.
Woah, this guy uses the word like allot.
He’s a dork
Maybe he listens to 21 savage
In person podcasts are the best ...virtual podcasts don't even come close to em'
Thank you for interviewing Ryan, One of my favorito guests for sure. 🍀
Love your books Ryan Holiday so much wisdom in them this was so informative it has to be said
Chris, you managed the conversation exceptionally well when Ryan leftwing bias showed when talking about Musk. Beautiful.
great podcast chris
Great discussion. Would love to be more stoic.
I removed caffeine before I removed alcohol, both within a month of each other. What I found was that it was SO much easier to give up the alcohol once I didn't have the caffeine in circulation in my body every morning. Because I didn't like the feeling of not being able to supplant the crappy hangover with caffeine.
Now I don't need the chemicals to help me wake up, to fall asleep, to be alert. I got a lot of push back from my parents about the caffeine removal, they claimed I was ADD and I needed it. They claimed my productivity was going down (I worked for them). The truth was, I didn't like my job and not having the things that made the job tolerable "enough" made me really not like the job. It was easier to leave the job and chase after my dreams. Espeically because I was saving a ton of money by not spending money on alcohol and coffee, red bulls and energy drinks.
And to be honest, now going on 2.5 ish years caffeine free and alcohol free, I don't really care that neither are in my life anymore. It doesn't even phase me that I don't ingest either of them.
"You need to be able to succeed to succeed"
Such a great interview - thank you both!
'each day i become a better friend to myself' - wow
That legendary letter he wrote to his father, was immaculate 🏆🥇
Great episode. So much value from Ryan Holiday here. It was he who introduced me to Stoicism and although I'm by no means a hardcore Stoic, the teachings from the philosophy have been invaluable in my every day life. I always enjoy listening to Ryan as he has a great way of providing perspective that others can't
great podcast
Such a good listen
You must be disciplined to be disciplined. That meta-discipline is a worldview or ideaology of some sort. You don't just grow discipline from nothing, that would require a lot of discipline!
Robert Greene is his idol and based on his writing style he seems to be breaking one of the 48 Laws of Power: "Avoid stepping into a great man's shoes". I see RG's style in his writing but there can only be one Robert Greene.
Could you elaborate on the meaning of that statement? Is it to not follow/copycat someone just because they are “great”?
Nowhere can man find a quieter or more untroubled retreat than in his own soul.
I’m not trying to win at my hobbies! ❤
“The man who takes more pride in the steps to attain the result than the result itself cannot be stopped. The work truly instills the worth.”
― Wes Watson, Non Negotiable: Ten Years Incarcerated Building the Unbreakable Mindset
100%
❤
@@CM-pe3jl I forgot about this, thanks for the comment reminding me❤️
.. as a German Biologist
this is Genetic
we see it already in Kids in Kinder Garden
those who can sustain activity over long periods
never getting “bored”
always fascinated to LEARN and DO
- versus the fast Rewards and Quick PAIN
that demands HUGE fast REWARDS
in this view -
it is Mind Opiate
selling this stuff
Those who are fit to rule must first be a master over themself.
7:16 - kind of the inverse of JP saying to "live on the edge of disaster".
Love Ryan, he could take his content to another level if he worked on, eliminating the fillers.
It used to be that most every "overnight success" was actually a cumulation of several fails and a lot of persistent hard work. It was rare to see young people with wealth unless they inherited it. The tech boom has somewhat disrupted that, but it's still more of a rarity than reality. As one friend said, I have lots of worthless stock options.
I never really knew what I wanted for a job and still don't. I have always known that it wasn't a good thing but it was just something I couldn't figure out.
Probably fucked me over on something I really did want which was a relationship because no one wants a nobody that has a fairly meaningless job. I don't think it's a requirement to get that but the way things are now it's unlikely
Good job this guy can write. Probably the least charismatic person I’ve seen on a podcast, ever. Absent any sense of humour or compelling personality, I found it a real struggle to even stay in the room with this guy.
Among any historical figure in history Marcus Aurelius is the one I would like to sit down and have a conversation with. I live a lifestyle/spiritual exercise that instills discipline called Exodus 90. Would be happy to elaborate on it.
1:03:00 I get it man, ohhhhh I get it
Ryan Greene
US Army Basic Training followed by Advanced Individual Training (AIT) or OSUT (One Station Unit Training). Plenty of soldiers throughout the country knocking out that 75 Day Challenge 3x over. Lol.
Friends with Oli Sykes?! I wanna see an episode about his philosophy.
Is that a book about discipline or about the morality of being disciplined?
Pretty sure Chris is friends with the vocalist of BMTH (Oil Sykes) 1:25:19 , thats righteous
Let's all listen to Ryan who displayed exemplary stoic form from March 2020 onwards and was absolutely bang on about all the 'treatments on offer'.. he wasn't at all scared, hysterical and now....thanks to more and more data coming out...completely wrong.
What data are you referring to? I’d like to look into it as I read mixed things….naturally
April 16th
Observe cause and effect
“Pay close attention in conversations to what is being said, 🗣 and to what follows from any action. In the action, immediately look 👀 for the target, 🎯 in words, listen 👂 closely to what’s being signaled.” - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, 7.4
“Scatter seeds of friendship, thoughts 💭 and words and deeds. Though the soil looks stony, scatter wide your seeds. Every kindly action, every word sincere-every good 👍 intention meant to help or cheer, is a seed of friendship and somewhere, someday-it will root and blossom in its own sweet way.” - Patience Strong
Bro thank you for an outstanding to light me possibly life changing exchanging interview!
There is mad skill transfer!🌌
"Humans are constantly trying to look good while simultaneously avoiding looking bad" - landmark education
Why do you have to make it? I never wanted anything but food, shelter and peace and I got it.
I like his stuff, but it's funny how you could just read Meditations and some Epictetus and maybe a little Seneca and basically have all the lessons you need in this realm, but really the same could be said for almost all self help.
And write books on it for ten years ;)
Yea, we could save time and being annoyed by just reading the source (Meditations) over and over and not buying people’s stupid crap.
@@flyfishingguide1991if youre annoyed then maybe stoicism is not for you ay
@@kahyui2486 mirror
April 19th
Our sphere of impulses
“Epictetus says we must discover the missing art 🖼 of assent and pay 💰 special attention to the sphere of our impulses-that they are subject to reservation, to the common good, 👍 and that they are in proportion to actual worth.” - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, 11.37
“The love ❤ that runs 🏃 with eager 🤩 feet 🦶 to do the thankless tasks-The love ❤ that seeks for no reward, the sort of love ❤ that asks-the chance to do a little more, but never 👎 any less. This is the kind of love that brings the greatest happiness.” Patience Strong
I was a little lost sometimes with the references but a good podcast nonetheless
April 17th
No harm, no foul
“Do away with the opinion I am harmed, and the harm is cast away too. Do away with being harmed, and harm disappears.” 🫠 - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, 4.7
“Faith removes mountains. ⛰ Faith heals. Faith restores. Faith scoffs at logic, 🧐 rough paths and locked 🔒 doors.🚪Faith laughs 😆 at obstacles. Faith goes right on -when the last word’s been said and the last hope has gone.” - Patience Strong
Where in the world was this filmed?
The answer to the question of the meaning of life is it's a test. No scoring, just exploring where you're at, and how you might like to be better at it. Plenty of help on offer. Have fun with that.
April 15th
“Nothing will ever befall me that I will receive with gloom 😔 or a bad disposition, 😣 I will pay 💰 my taxes gladly. 🙂 Now, all the things which cause complaint or dread 😬 are like the taxes of life-things from which, my dear Lucilius, you should never 👎 hope for exemption or seek escape.” - Seneca, Moral Letters, 96.2
“If when you wake you can take the bright view. You’ll always look 👀 out on a world 🌎 fresh and new-And life will hold endless surprises 😯 for you-because you will never 👎 grow old.” - Patience Strong
I like Chris’ self awareness of the privileges he now has to understand that the discomfort he elects to have now is sort of a larp. There’s a big difference between being forced to suffer and not having a way out and choosing to suffer and knowing you can always make it stop.
To be clear, I think Chris has earned what he has and I’m stoked someone like him is gaining what he has… but as I’ve gotten older and better off and healthier even, life has become easier and better and it’s easy to forget what it was like to have a negative account balance and nothing but a bag of oatmeal in the cupboard to eat.
@@thinking-ape6483 what about a person who is dealt a much worse hand than someone else, but manages to become more successful than them? Did they not 'earn' it?
@@thinking-ape6483 if we're being completely deterministic then sure, I understand what you're saying, since in that scenario we have zero free will. But regardless of whether that is true at a physical/atomic level, I don’t think that's a useful attitude to take in day to day life. A person can choose to work hard, sacrifice pleasures and willingly suffer in pursuit of their goals and that transcends genes or random events in life, it's something that is available to almost everyone
@@thinking-ape6483 I wouldn't call them limitations, most of the time they are simply hindrances. Being short and ugly may add difficulties to your life, but it doesn't outright prevent you from doing most of the stuff that people want to do. Being born in poverty makes it much more difficult to become rich, but not impossible. It's all just probabilities, but within those probabilities the scope of potential achievement is still super broad.
@@thinking-ape6483 but that unprobable outcome isn't purely random, and even amongst the most probable outcomes there will still be a large varied scope of achievement that also isn't purely random. If we take a group of individuals with the exact same limiting factors or 'cards', and plot their level of success on a graph, there will still be a significant range of achievement. And whilst luck may certainly have a significant influence here, the level of success will also be correlated to the level of effort they put in and their mindset (e.g. their desire for success and their belief that success is possible). This is not fixed to any physical attribute or environmental circumstance, it's simply effort and belief. That's what I mean by 'earn'. It's stuff beyond luck or genetics, or do you not believe there is anything other than luck and genetics that can affect your level of success?
April 23rd
“You have been formed of three 🤟 parts-body,🧍breath, 😮💨 and mind. Of these, the first two ✌are yours insofar as they are only in your care. The third 🤟 alone is truly yours.” - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, 12.3
O happy 😊 day that brings to mind the little Stratford Street-where England’s 🏴 greatest bard was born and countless pilgrims meet-To walk🚶 the banks of Avon and to feed the sacred flame 🔥-that burns around the memory of that immortal name. - Patience Strong
April 14th
Becoming an expert in what matters
“Believe me, it’s better to produce the balance-sheet of your own life than that of the grain market.” - Seneca, on the brevity of life, 18.3b
He uses the word 'like' a million times.
Im in a predicament, I fell into a plumbing apprenticeship and have been doing it for 2 years now. I got into it because I know I can make decent money from it and have a comfortable life. But I dont even like it, I cant see myself doing it much longer but everyone around me seems to think I should just stick it out. I dont know what I want from life and im 30. How do people even find their passion? I cant think of anythint id want to do besides just be and maybe make art. What the hell should I even do.
Make art.
Socialise with other artists online.
Join communities.
Start building a brand.
Sell.
People arent that interested in buying art. They are intrested in buying into a brand.
Not sure what art youre into but u can make art with pipes. Maybe make some art with copper pipes and market it towards your colleagues.
If you dont start then you will always put it off
@kahyui2486 thanks for the reply. Yes I should start. I've actually thought about making art with copper pipes. I see myself painting more. It puts my mind at ease, just freedom to do w.e I want.
.. yes, since you know that most jobs are not good for you, you need the discipline and courage to resign... go listen to the classic Bob black essay, the abolition of work. About 35 minutes long... I got hip to this essay in the 1980s, and it has improved my life.
This man’s book store in Texas hosted a drag story hour. Next!
Damn really ?
Did they market that to children? If not, I see no fault in it. Personally I have zero interest in drag shows, but I am cool with it as long as children are not forced into it.
This man has a lot to teach humanity. I really don't care what his stance is on various "hot issues" because the modern stoic attitude he is teaching is timeless.
@8thaccount321 that was not obvious to me. In any case, I'd need to see more information and context before I dismiss a man who makes sense for more than an hour straight. Such as: what is his relation to the book store. Does he run it, own it or in other way collaborate with it? Who managed bookings, and did he know about this particular event? How was the supposed drag reading marketed, and to whom. What type of audience attended the event, and what was the content of the readings?
@8thaccount321 by the way readings to adults are perfectly legitimate. It's like, a thing.
@@magnusekenhjarta3436 you really might question on what you are staking your morality.
With the men out of the way a purely consent based morality is used to prey upon the women and children. Think it through. You’ll either get it - or you’re one of those hoping to indulge in the chaos.
1:25:19 bmth?
We have no Marcus nor Seneca,
we got Ryan.
Thanks for existing sir!
Ryan H is not a Sage. Therefore his life is not a model. He is an author so I limit my search for info there. I would consider any postings on IG as moments of weakness, from age 5 to 95.
April 20th
Real good 👍 is simple
“Here’s a way to think 🤔 about what the masses regard as being ‘good’ things. If you would first start by setting your mind upon things that are unquestionably good 👍-wisdom, self-control, justice, courage-with this preoccupation you’ll no longer be able to listen 👂 to the popular refrain that there are too many good 👍 things to experience in a lifetime.” - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, 5.12
“Wait before you worry. 😟 It will all come right. Why be in a hurry, Trouble 👿 to invite. Don’t get in a flurry, giving way to doubt. 🤨 Pray 🙏 before you worry. 😟 Let Time 🕰 work things out.” - Patience Strong
56:47 brother
Fuck yeah
💡⚡💪
April 22nd
The marks of a rational person
“These are the characteristics of the rational soul: self- awareness, self-examination, and self-determination. It reaps its own harvest…. It succeeds in its own purpose…” - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, 11.1-2
“One ☝ life and one ☝ alone you have to live upon this earth. 🌎 One ☝ life in which to learn so much, to seek and find and prove your worth. The gold of Time is yours to squander-or with care to use and spend. Waste it not in fruitless quests that get you nowhere in the end.” - Patience Strong
hey... buddy! Dont worried. i'm your Master in this planet in our Galaxi, knight Panthom Flight arouud in ours Journey . Dont forget tour mask and persuit, Got ready with the best shooter we had.Huahhhaaaaauuaaaaaa
1:25:20 Wait... Chris is friends with the lads from Bring me the Horizon...?
April 25th
There’s nothing wrong 😑 with being wrong 😑
“If anyone can prove and show to me that I think 🤔 and act 🎭 in error, I will gladly change-for I seek the truth, by which no one ☝ has ever been harmed. The one ☝ who is harmed is the one ☝ who abides in deceit and ignorance.” - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, 6.21
“Be true to the best that is in you. Be upright and fair and sincere. Stoop not to the smallest deception. Have nothing to hide 😶🌫 or to fear. 😧 And when the last task is completed ✅-the last battle over and won 🏆-the voice of the Master will greet you with “Well done, ✅ good 👍 servant, well done.” 👏 - Patience Strong