Well, ancient Greek sounds like however a modern scholar chooses to make it sound. Sure, we have a general outline of the rules of the phonology, or rather the many varied phonologies of different ancient Greek dialects from different time periods, but it is one thing to have a set of rules and quite another to actually put them into practice and recite texts using these rules. Much of the finer details, such as vowel length and pitch, are up to the speaker's interpretation. In reality, we need a native speaker to correct us to make sure we're doing it right. Since they're all long gone and didn't leave voice recordings behind, we have no gold standard. So, this speaker in the video may sound Finnish to you, but another speaker might come off as Japanese, for example. Bottom line: Reconstructed pronunciations need to be taken with a large grain of salt.
Probably a Finnish guy reads the text from Homer's Iliad and that's why it sounds like this...😂 Note: Homeric Greek probably sounded different from modern Greek. It's very normal for the pronunciation of a language to evolve. Even the exact same words in various modern Greek dialects sound different. However, the western scholars' assumptions about the ancient pronunciation of certain consonants are not justified enough or the theories about the time of the pronunciation shift of other letters vary.
Ancient Greek seems to sound like Finnish because it had short and long vowels. Latin is similar in this aspect. I don't know whether Finnish has short and long vowels, but it definitely has something that makes it sound like this.
@@kotovalexarian I don't speak Finnish either. I speak modern Greek and I've been taught ancient Greek for 5 years as part of my highschool education. First of all, Homeric Greek is actually Ionic Greek dialect with certain word forms of Aeolic Greek dialect. Modern scholars have concluded, for example, that Ionic Greek dialect had dropped the h-sound at least since about the period Homeric texts were written down. So, the pronunciation of the video is at least inaccurate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilosis Also, there are modern Greek dialects where some aspects of the long vowels are preserved. For example, I had a colleague from Pharsala region (region of Achilles' ancient kingdom in Thessaly), who would pronounce the letter eta or similar diphthongs like a long epsilon, especially when they were placed at the end of the word. So, what sounds to you like castilian spanish is the standard modern Greek dialect and not all modern Greek dialects, which vary a lot because the geography of Greece (many mountains and islands) creates many language isolates.
I don't even speak Greek but can definitely hear the difference between the pitch accent of Ancient Greek and stress accent of Modern Greek, especially hearing them side by side like this.
@@Wolfgonbuaf it’s a coincidence, but it’s by no means strange. There are videos that explain why they sound similar. In the wide world of languages, sometimes, unrelated languages sometimes end up sounding similar
Well, the Homeric Greek, from which is the text (Iliad), is considered to be a literary dialect where Ionic prevails and has some Aeolic words and/or grammatical features.
Modern Greek just sounds like unintelligible Spanish, Ancient Greek seems a lot more similar to Latin (mainly due to looong vowels) @@oliveranderson7264
Could it be possible that the reason why Greeks sounds so spanish is that they were in the roman empire for a few centuries?? Asking a scholar, I have no knowledge on the subject
It's a fairly common sound change, in fact it actually happened twice in Spanish (Latin H became silent in the early medieval period, then Old Spanish got a new H from Latin F and in Arabic loanwords which also became silent by the Early Modern period)
@@KertPerteson J is pronounced H from Ecuador/Colombia/Venezuela up to Mexico/US Hispanics, the rest of Latin America, Spain and Equatorial Guinea pronounce J like german "ch", raspy and throaty.
@user-rf5fg4dz9c Yes, ancient greek is the oldest language in Europe probably one of the oldest Indo European language that are still used to this day. I learn latin and ancient greek last two month both languages have complex grammar but latin grammar is relatively easy when compared to ancient Greek. In ancient greek, there are endless declension, endless verb conjugations, many grammatical moods, aspects, voices and tenses. In Latin, there are only active and passive voice, indicative and subjunctive mood, singular and plural but in ancient greek there are active, passive and middle voice, indicative, subjunctive and plus optative mood, singular, dual, plural. Hardest thing to learn ancient greek is middle voice because few languages have this voice, I still don't understand how its is used.
😀😀 where do you know that greek is oldest in Europe maybe you read fake books manipulated by some priests but look the documents in Archives until in middle ages greek term didn't mentioned at all until 18th century greece name didn't existed at all in map
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@@illyriankingdom8810 The ancient Oracle said that I was the wisest of all the Greeks. It is because I alone, of all the GREEKS , know that I know nothing -Socrates Long time men lay oppressed with slavish fear. Religious tyranny did domineer. At length the mighty one of GREECE Began to assent the liberty of man. - Epicurus thousands of years before 18th century
@@illyriankingdom8810 but of course you are right!!!! We are not Greeks, we are Hellenes from Hellas 🇬🇷🏛️ I don't recognise the "Greek" word. I only recognise Hellas and the Hellenes.... Wait minute... Didn't Hellas existence is from ancient times?!?! Of course it is!!!! Oh... And.... stop using Hellenic words in your daily life. Because your entire existence is because of Hellenism. albanian?!?! Surely 😉😂😉
Ancient Greek is definitely NOT the correct term. Ancient Greek comprised various dialects (Doric, Ionic, Aeolic, Arcado-Cypriot, etc.). The Greek that is being taught is the Ionian Attic and we must always specify it! In the Aeolic dialect the H sound had been long abolished and some "modern" features in the pronunciation were already present in the Boeotian Aeolic dialect long before they appeared in the Koiné. The Koiné is much more understandable to us than the premise of the Iliad here.
Homeric Greek is a mix of many ancient dialects and is full of poetic and literary words. So, we maybe understand a few individual sentences, or the meaning of many ofthe words individually. If at all.
This is not how ancient Greek sounded though. This is the Erasmian pronunciation, an "easy" way for a non-Greek to read ancient Greeks texts. For example saying "Aχαιοίς" as "Aka-i-o-is" is wrong and frankly it sounds comical to a native Greek.
The evidence that we have is important to consider when reconstructing archaic Greek phonetics. As far as I can tell you are criticising that αι and οι aren't pronounced [e] and [i] as in modern Greek. Then consider these two words and their older spellings: παῖς was once παϝις and οἶς was οϝις (πάϊς and ὄϊς in epic Greek due to the loss of the δίγαμμα). αι and οι were also described as diphthongs, literally "with two sounds". How could it have been pronounced as the Greek today when keeping all this in mind?
It is "correct" based on what we know about the pronunciation at the time. It may sound comical to some Greeks, but it will not sound comical to anybody that understands what we know about the ancient pronunciation.
The Erasmian accent is the correct one. After Alexander the Great spread Greek far and wide the koine greek mutated to the way we read ancient greek today.
@@BoogieBubble You have to distinguish between the "erasmian" pronunciation and the "reconstructed pronunciation", which modern philology has brought forth. Erasmian has a lot of key flaws and practically every european country is using it differently and akin to their native phonemes.
Indeed, but this is homeric Greek. Attic Greek is closer to modern Greek. And κοινή Greek is even closer. An educated Greek can understand biblical Greek quite easily. An Italian can by no means understand Latin and an English speaker ca not understand old Saxon.
@@antoniotorcoli5740Not trying to be a contrarian, but an Italian can understand some Vulgar Latin (from the "Vulgata" translation of the Bible) for sure, and so can I as a Romanian
@@razvanandreiantonescurogoz4236 no , believe me, I was a teacher of Latin and an average Italian of course will understand many words from Vulgata and even some sentences, but he will not be able to read and understand the full text or even a full page. I know Romanian as well and, even if Italian is closer to Latin as far as vocabulary is concerned, Romanian grammar is more conservative and closer to Latin.
@@dimitryrusu4022 Exactly. People saying this stuff must have no idea of how the pronunciation got reconstructed. There's way too much of this "you're never going to be perfect, so why bother trying in the first place?"-mentality in these comments. The reconstructed attic pronunciation is not going to be perfect, but we know that it must be very close, and it definitely is miles better than any alternatives, like using modern Greek pronunciation for example.
As a greek, the ancient greek sounds so wrong. 1 for example is just en, not hen. 2 is thio(as is the) Edit: The modern greek sound like a mix of ancient greek and modern greek
It is the Erasmian accent my friend. Which is the correct way at the time of Homer. Later on with Alexander that spread the koine Greek they would sound like we read then today.
That's because it's real, the natural evolution of the language over millenia. Reconstructed pronunciations are educated guesses and therefore are totally artificial.
First the homeric Greek is by someone that can't speak it natively and put to much focus and just sound weird. It's like i say the word hello but i emphasize the he-llo it just sound weird. As for the modern Greek it's just that the tone which he speaks is like, you read it slowly to children so they understand and not like it's poetry. And of course homeric Greek is much different from even classical Greek probably more than half the words are exclusive in it.
Amazing. The only "mistake" is that a foreigner speaks the ancient greek in this video. The pronunciation is very wrong. Modern greek on the other hand is 100% perfect
No, turkish accent is similar to Arabic languages . The modern Greek accent is the same for more than 1000 years, long before the turks come to the region.
Not really, Modern Greek accent is usually affected by various of Mediterranean peoples that shared their own cultures and heritage. Modern Greek has few Turkish words, but majority of the Greek languages have Byzantine (and Koine Greek, which is known as Hellenistic Greek and Septuagint Greek, that was influenced from Attic Greek and Ionian Greek, the same language Alexander spoke) all the way through Byzantine Greek (also known as Medieval Greek) all the way through Modern Greek. For example after the medieval period is over, we have the city called Messina (also known as Μεσσήνη in Greek). The city of Messina is home to a small Greek-speaking minority, which arrived from the Peloponnese between 1533 and 1534 when fleeing the expansion of the Ottoman Empire.
Atreas was the father of Agamemnon, and his kin were called “The Atreides”. For every fancy little word or name you hear in movies there is 90% chance that it is either Greek or Latin.
Ottoman Empire? Greece literally shares borders with Slavic countries. NVM, I misunderstood, you mean the opposite, which is ridiculous. Homeric Greek has no Slavic words, at best it can have Hellenic words with a common Indo-European root, so they are cognate, not loanwords.
None, like a big fat certain 0%, because the slavs settled in the balkans in the 6th century CE while homeric greek is centuries older than even Alexander's empire.
If analysed and spoken slowly, you see the similarities. Also, many words are still used today "enjailed" in bigger composite words, while not used autonomously.
No different. If they were different we Greeks could not understand. But we understand so it is the same language, with the accent evolution all languages had.
Also we dont have that high amount of slavic, it would need Peloponnese, Crete and Thessaly to have 30 plus percent for each region plus an extra amount of slavic DNA for the north (which currently it's 20-30%) for the general greek population to have 56% slavic DNA, and neither Peloponnese nor Crete have significant slavic DNA (in fact, Crete is close to 0%) Thessaly is higher but only at 20%. Generally greeks are 16-20% slavic. Nice try though with your fake data, albotroll 😂
@@tobiasboston7795According to the studies, the Slavic DNA of Greeks ranges from 0.1 to 40 percent depending on the region. In general, overall it's more like 10-20 percent.
I think that the very interesting Ancient Greek language literally sounds like a wonderful mix of Modern Greek and Albanian languages. And as an Italian and Greek mixed lady, I know we had our special history with Albanian people, with nice and not-so-nice memories due to political tensions, and even between Greeks and Italians. Maybe that's the resulting influence I can hear from that❣️ Nevertheless, I wish all three countries / peoples 🇦🇱🇬🇷🇮🇹 a great future together❣️🙏🤲🙌❤️ BTW: I love the speakers clarity in their voices. Well done, guys❣️❤️
It sounds nothing like Albanian lmao have you ever heard how Albanian sounds like? It sounds like Latin also this is Homeric greek specifically it is a mix of many different dialects
@@supermavro6072 you are not greek lmao 🤣 also turkey is the most ethnically diverse nation in Mediterranean and Albania has slavic vlach Turkish and greek admixture genetics show
Let me teach you some REAL history. Before the Big Bang there where 2 primordial Gods of immence power. The Alban and the Slav. These powerfull gods where fighting and their energy created the Big Bang and the universe. After millions of years earth was created and of course these gods decided that is a nice place to live. They had intercourse with distant galaxies and created albanians and slavs on the same planet. These 2 powerfull tribes fought for domination in an endless war that took at least 2.000 years and their energy from the fight (and farts) created oxygen , thus terrafoming the earth and making it habitable for other inferior humans. When they saw that no side could win they made peace and set of exploring the earth and creating civilizations all over the globe. In fact every language and civilization on earth is either slavic or albanian. Peace was upon earth , but no!!! Orcs from middle earth decided to invade with Sauron as their leader. Then the albanians and the slavs made an alliance and with their spaceships went to mars where they had a portal to summon the primordial Gods to save the earth. (It is all written in the third book of Gandalf , found in tyrana and skopje monkeydonian universities and studied from well educated albanian and slavic fortune tellers and astrologists). After defeating the orcs in a big battle near the sun , the primordial Gods banished Sauron to middle earth. And thus earth was saved. This knowledge was hidden from us , but new archeological dig sites (in dreamland where Piter Pan killed captain Hook) have the evidence we need. Source : Trust me bro , i had a dream about it last night.
Let me teach you some REAL history. Before the Big Bang there where 2 primordial Gods of immence power. The Alban and the Slav. These powerfull gods where fighting and their energy created the Big Bang and the universe. After millions of years earth was created and of course these gods decided that is a nice place to live. They had intercourse with distant galaxies and created albanians and slavs on the same planet. These 2 powerfull tribes fought for domination in an endless war that took at least 2.000 years and their energy from the fight (and farts) created oxygen , thus terrafoming the earth and making it habitable for other inferior humans. When they saw that no side could win they made peace and set of exploring the earth and creating civilizations all over the globe. In fact every language and civilization on earth is either slavic or albanian. Peace was upon earth , but no!!! Orcs from middle earth decided to invade with Sauron as their leader. Then the albanians and the slavs made an alliance and with their spaceships went to mars where they had a portal to summon the primordial Gods to save the earth. (It is all written in the third book of Gandalf , found in tyrana and skopje monkeydonian universities and studied from well educated albanian and slavic fortune tellers and astrologists). After defeating the orcs in a big battle near the sun , the primordial Gods banished Sauron to middle earth. And thus earth was saved. This knowledge was hidden from us , but new archeological dig sites (in dreamland where Piter Pan killed captain Hook) have the evidence we need. Source : Trust me bro , i had a dream about it last night.
science has answered what the Greek language is. Albanian language formed 300 years ago and it is mixture of serbian greek and turkish you know that dont you?
No I don't think so. But I wish the Macedonians good luck in dealing with those aggressive Greek and Bulgarian individuals and institutions which are trying to "annihilate" their ethnicity. The Macedonians really deserve better, after even giving up their country's flag, their country's name, and so on. I feel pity for you, really.
@@NantokaNejako Please explain in what way Greeks and Bulgarians act "aggressively" towards North Macedonians? Also, you are aware that the reason the name of the country was disputed was because Macedonia (Μακεδονία) is originally Greek and was appropriated by the country now calling themselves North Macedonia? A name they ended up keeping, by the way, so they didn't "give up" anything in that regard. Not to mention the fact that the Vergina Sun/Argead Star was placed on their flag despite it being an Ancient Greek symbol dating back centuries before the Slavs even arrived in the Balkans (6th century AD). Should the Greeks have simply let a foreign nation just steal this from them, along with the name? What is worse, a large population of North Macedonia seems to be under the false impression that what is actually Greek history belongs to them. Many will tell you Alexander the Great was Slavic, although history overwhelmingly disagrees with this ridiculous claim. If anything, the Greeks, their culture, history and identity have been aggressively attacked repeatedly. Greece has done what it can to defend itself.
@@E45F678 First of all you are showing your aggression basically from your first sentence by not saying *Macedonians.* Even in your Prespa agreement that 70% of Macedonia's population opposed it is written Macedonians and Macedonian language. МАКЕДОНИЈА is Macedonian name we even have several meanings in our Macedonian language. The Sun of Kutlesh with 16 rays is a undeniable Macedonian symbol that was on our old churches way before you dug it from the ground and found about it. So it's natural that it will be on the flag of the Republic of Macedonia. We Macedonians didn't arrive from anywhere we are native to this land unlike you modern greeks who are a mix of turks, albanians and it was found you have Ethiopian Sub-Saharan DNA. Nobody is stealing from you sir *Macedonians were called barbarians* which means someone who does not speak your language and that's *the most powerful proof.* Even if you think Alexander didn't speak today's Macedonian language, the Egyptians speak Arabic instead of egyptian, bulgars speak Slavic instead of turkic and so on. Language is not the only thing that determines an identity. Slavic is not an ethnicity there's 500 000 000 slavic people in the world while greks only 5 mil. You are a new nation from 1830 made by king Otto and you want to have all the history of the world and you think everything is yours?! Macedonian Kingdom and Empire were never ever in history called greek or under a country greece until *1913* when you made hell for the ethnic Macedonians in the Aegean part together with Serbia and Bulgaristan you partioned and divided our homeland in 3 parts with the Bucharest treaty! We the Macedonians lost everything and you have the audacity to say you are being attacked while you live heavenly. We are still bullied by everyone in 2024 and there's so much that I could write but it's useless, it lands on deaf ears unfortunately. God bless ☦️
Ancient Greek- sounds like Finnish. Modern Greek- sounds like Castillian Spanish.
Well, ancient Greek sounds like however a modern scholar chooses to make it sound. Sure, we have a general outline of the rules of the phonology, or rather the many varied phonologies of different ancient Greek dialects from different time periods, but it is one thing to have a set of rules and quite another to actually put them into practice and recite texts using these rules. Much of the finer details, such as vowel length and pitch, are up to the speaker's interpretation. In reality, we need a native speaker to correct us to make sure we're doing it right. Since they're all long gone and didn't leave voice recordings behind, we have no gold standard. So, this speaker in the video may sound Finnish to you, but another speaker might come off as Japanese, for example. Bottom line: Reconstructed pronunciations need to be taken with a large grain of salt.
Probably a Finnish guy reads the text from Homer's Iliad and that's why it sounds like this...😂
Note: Homeric Greek probably sounded different from modern Greek. It's very normal for the pronunciation of a language to evolve. Even the exact same words in various modern Greek dialects sound different. However, the western scholars' assumptions about the ancient pronunciation of certain consonants are not justified enough or the theories about the time of the pronunciation shift of other letters vary.
@IndoEuropeanss You are right!!!
Ancient Greek seems to sound like Finnish because it had short and long vowels. Latin is similar in this aspect. I don't know whether Finnish has short and long vowels, but it definitely has something that makes it sound like this.
@@kotovalexarian I don't speak Finnish either. I speak modern Greek and I've been taught ancient Greek for 5 years as part of my highschool education.
First of all, Homeric Greek is actually Ionic Greek dialect with certain word forms of Aeolic Greek dialect. Modern scholars have concluded, for example, that Ionic Greek dialect had dropped the h-sound at least since about the period Homeric texts were written down. So, the pronunciation of the video is at least inaccurate.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilosis
Also, there are modern Greek dialects where some aspects of the long vowels are preserved. For example, I had a colleague from Pharsala region (region of Achilles' ancient kingdom in Thessaly), who would pronounce the letter eta or similar diphthongs like a long epsilon, especially when they were placed at the end of the word.
So, what sounds to you like castilian spanish is the standard modern Greek dialect and not all modern Greek dialects, which vary a lot because the geography of Greece (many mountains and islands) creates many language isolates.
As a Greek i can undesrtand bot ancient and midern. Technically is the same language but in accent, there is a huge evolution, as all languages had.
I don't even speak Greek but can definitely hear the difference between the pitch accent of Ancient Greek and stress accent of Modern Greek, especially hearing them side by side like this.
This channel is amazing! Congrats 🇺🇾
Thats Uruguay
@@papadopoulos1 I think the guy knows, he's just a fan from that country ("Diego Acosta")
@@papadopoulos1 I'm from Uruguay dear
@@diegoacosta8168 I see , I’m mistaken lol
As an Indian, Modern Greek sounds like Spanish 😅
To be fair, I think to most Europeans, Modern Greek sounds like Spanish too haha
Langfocus did amazing video of this! Check it out!
I'm Spanish and the pronunciation of moder Greek is very easy to me
It's a strange coincidence that both sound like the same language to me
@@Wolfgonbuaf it’s a coincidence, but it’s by no means strange. There are videos that explain why they sound similar. In the wide world of languages, sometimes, unrelated languages sometimes end up sounding similar
As an Italian, modern Greek sounds literally as if a Spaniard was talking unintelligible gibberish
Yess
I never realized that as a Greek until I saw almost all foreigners say it
I agree. Also, Spanish is my second language and Greek isn't so different when it comes to pronunciation.
"Efta" is not official but in people's everyday use. "Epta" is the official.
The are used interchangeably
They're both official, although the second form is more formal. Same for eight and nine respectively.
Ёпта
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Big fan of Helleno-Persian (Greek-Irani) history!
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Beautiful Greek video you got here Andy
Great video duo thanks.
Can you respost your old videos please I miss them
Modern Greek sounds like a Spaniard trying to speak a different language, but still sounding very much Spanish.😆
How about the other way around? Hellenic language is its own thing in the branch, whereas the latin languages are many.
Well, the Homeric Greek, from which is the text (Iliad), is considered to be a literary dialect where Ionic prevails and has some Aeolic words and/or grammatical features.
Ωωω γεια σου Στέλιο. Είμαι στην ομάδα σου Παραχάραξη στοπ!
For a language of more 3.500 years the commonalities are astonishing.
@@Marble8King Greek is one of the most conservative languages. Although one of the oldest it is also one of least evoluted.
I have a STRONG preference for ancient Greek
I don't know if it's because much of my knowledge of Greek is from etymologies, but I "understand" the ancient Greek better.
i have a STRONG preference for modern greek haha it sounds soso beautiful
I think the language sounds a lot better now tbh
Same here lol
Modern Greek just sounds like unintelligible Spanish, Ancient Greek seems a lot more similar to Latin (mainly due to looong vowels) @@oliveranderson7264
Could it be possible that the reason why Greeks sounds so spanish is that they were in the roman empire for a few centuries?? Asking a scholar, I have no knowledge on the subject
Nice video!
Mordern greek sounds so Spanish even thr music can be mistaken for Spanish music.
Finally you do this video :)
Five in modern Greek is Pente, not Pede.
Exactly. In modern Greek, technically pronouncing it as pente (sounds like PEN-deh) or pede (PEH-deh) is optional and up to the speaker.
@@E45F678 YES true
Nice Greek language, nice video! Thank you"
Incredible
We Greeks somehow managed to keep the Ancient Greek Language! We learn it in Junior high schools and High schools.
Can you make ecclesiastical latin vs classical latin? (sorry if you've already made that video but I didn't find it.
we need old english and modern english comparison
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Albotrolls are obsessed with us in the comments 🤣
Could you do Estonian and Japanese tomorrow?
It's the most random idea I've ever seen.
No, Ancient Egyptian and Argentinian Spanish
Hello from Persia 🌞🦁🤝🇬🇷🏛️
Hello friend from HELLAS
@@Ίων-π8ρin 400BC, you would not have been friends😅
@richarddr1234 You never know. Many Greek mercenaries fought on the side of Persia.
@@BoogieBubble doesn't make them friends
Weird how the H sound disappeared
It's a fairly common sound change, in fact it actually happened twice in Spanish (Latin H became silent in the early medieval period, then Old Spanish got a new H from Latin F and in Arabic loanwords which also became silent by the Early Modern period)
@@taimunozhan Fun fact, the J is starting to have H sound in some accents of spanish.
@@jcpaulinhoJ is pronounced H in all dialects of spanish
@@KertPerteson J is pronounced H from Ecuador/Colombia/Venezuela up to Mexico/US Hispanics, the rest of Latin America, Spain and Equatorial Guinea pronounce J like german "ch", raspy and throaty.
@@jcpaulinho Both are still H sounds one has /x/ quality while one has /h/ quality
Greek sounds like ancient Persian language maybe because both of them are from the indo European language family.
Ancient Greek sounds like some Scandinavian language mixed with Greek, very interesting to hear.
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Yes, ancient greek is the oldest language in Europe probably one of the oldest Indo European language that are still used to this day. I learn latin and ancient greek last two month both languages have complex grammar but latin grammar is relatively easy when compared to ancient Greek. In ancient greek, there are endless declension, endless verb conjugations, many grammatical moods, aspects, voices and tenses.
In Latin, there are only active and passive voice, indicative and subjunctive mood, singular and plural but in ancient greek there are active, passive and middle voice, indicative, subjunctive and plus optative mood, singular, dual, plural. Hardest thing to learn ancient greek is middle voice because few languages have this voice, I still don't understand how its is used.
😀😀 where do you know that greek is oldest in Europe maybe you read fake books manipulated by some priests but look the documents in Archives until in middle ages greek term didn't mentioned at all until 18th century greece name didn't existed at all in map
@@illyriankingdom8810 The ancient Oracle said that I was the wisest of all the Greeks. It is because I alone, of all the GREEKS , know that I know nothing
-Socrates
Long time men lay oppressed with slavish fear.
Religious tyranny did domineer.
At length the mighty one of GREECE
Began to assent the liberty of man.
- Epicurus
thousands of years before 18th century
@@illyriankingdom8810 but of course you are right!!!! We are not Greeks, we are Hellenes from Hellas 🇬🇷🏛️ I don't recognise the "Greek" word. I only recognise Hellas and the Hellenes.... Wait minute... Didn't Hellas existence is from ancient times?!?! Of course it is!!!! Oh... And.... stop using Hellenic words in your daily life. Because your entire existence is because of Hellenism. albanian?!?! Surely 😉😂😉
I enjoyed it.
Ancient Greek is definitely NOT the correct term.
Ancient Greek comprised various dialects (Doric, Ionic, Aeolic, Arcado-Cypriot, etc.).
The Greek that is being taught is the Ionian Attic and we must always specify it!
In the Aeolic dialect the H sound had been long abolished and some "modern" features in the pronunciation were already present in the Boeotian Aeolic dialect long before they appeared in the Koiné.
The Koiné is much more understandable to us than the premise of the Iliad here.
Is ancient Greek understandable for modern Greek people?
I don't think so
Easy Greek episode 56 investigates exactly that! My favourite episode
If spoken very, very slowly ... maybe.
Homeric Greek is a mix of many ancient dialects and is full of poetic and literary words. So, we maybe understand a few individual sentences, or the meaning of many ofthe words individually. If at all.
@@kkyrezis And of course ... Ancient Greek does not have the modern words which Modern Greek has.
This is not how ancient Greek sounded though. This is the Erasmian pronunciation, an "easy" way for a non-Greek to read ancient Greeks texts. For example saying "Aχαιοίς" as "Aka-i-o-is" is wrong and frankly it sounds comical to a native Greek.
The evidence that we have is important to consider when reconstructing archaic Greek phonetics. As far as I can tell you are criticising that αι and οι aren't pronounced [e] and [i] as in modern Greek.
Then consider these two words and their older spellings:
παῖς was once παϝις and οἶς was οϝις (πάϊς and ὄϊς in epic Greek due to the loss of the δίγαμμα).
αι and οι were also described as diphthongs, literally "with two sounds". How could it have been pronounced as the Greek today when keeping all this in mind?
It is "correct" based on what we know about the pronunciation at the time. It may sound comical to some Greeks, but it will not sound comical to anybody that understands what we know about the ancient pronunciation.
The Erasmian accent is the correct one. After Alexander the Great spread Greek far and wide the koine greek mutated to the way we read ancient greek today.
@@BoogieBubble You have to distinguish between the "erasmian" pronunciation and the "reconstructed pronunciation", which modern philology has brought forth. Erasmian has a lot of key flaws and practically every european country is using it differently and akin to their native phonemes.
@@enyalios316 Yes i a not saying that is the exact one , but is much closer at least to the way we read em today.
As a Hispanic, I've always thought Greek sounds like a Hispanic person speaking anything else other than Spanish
Exactly! sounds like a Spaniard speaking gibberish. 😆
@@Lets_Talk_About_it_Luv Lmao yes💀🤣
@@teamojesusss I wonder if native Greek speakers feel the same way about Spanish😅
@@Lets_Talk_About_it_Luv I wonder too...🤔
Why do ancient greeks in the video have white eyes ? Are they from the Hyuga clan ?
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why does ancient greek sounds similar to ancient persian? kinda
The pronunciation "ERASMIC" is completely wrong.
Just the numbers are the same but then They are two worlds apart
Indeed, but this is homeric Greek. Attic Greek is closer to modern Greek. And κοινή Greek is even closer. An educated Greek can understand biblical Greek quite easily. An Italian can by no means understand Latin and an English speaker ca not understand old Saxon.
@@antoniotorcoli5740 Modern English is far more Latinized than the Ancient one
@@wild8074 Indeed. Greek vocabulary did not change that much in 2000 years. Grammar and syntax were simplified and pronunciation rules changed.
@@antoniotorcoli5740Not trying to be a contrarian, but an Italian can understand some Vulgar Latin (from the "Vulgata" translation of the Bible) for sure, and so can I as a Romanian
@@razvanandreiantonescurogoz4236 no , believe me, I was a teacher of Latin and an average Italian of course will understand many words from Vulgata and even some sentences, but he will not be able to read and understand the full text or even a full page. I know Romanian as well and, even if Italian is closer to Latin as far as vocabulary is concerned, Romanian grammar is more conservative and closer to Latin.
Ancient greek sounds like thai
POV ancient greeks listening to modern greek: ….Huh? Slow the frick down!!!
Well this is all Greek to me...
What i heard isn't ancient greek. It's just how some scholars believe ancient pronunciation sounds like
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeap! And it sounds hideous
It didn't just made up. It is science
@@dimitryrusu4022 Exactly. People saying this stuff must have no idea of how the pronunciation got reconstructed. There's way too much of this "you're never going to be perfect, so why bother trying in the first place?"-mentality in these comments. The reconstructed attic pronunciation is not going to be perfect, but we know that it must be very close, and it definitely is miles better than any alternatives, like using modern Greek pronunciation for example.
@@Flugs0 Yes, modern one for ancient texts is weird
Chinese Mandarin vs Taiwanese Mandarin
That ain't no ancient greek💀🙏
ZEUS BLESS GREECE
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As a greek, the ancient greek sounds so wrong. 1 for example is just en, not hen. 2 is thio(as is the)
Edit: The modern greek sound like a mix of ancient greek and modern greek
I study Ancient Greek and this video is the epitome of Ancient Greek pronunciation (Homeric). Modern Greek sounds like a Spanish to me
This accent is nordic, not ancient Greek. It's like I'm listening to Icelandic
It is the Erasmian accent my friend. Which is the correct way at the time of Homer. Later on with Alexander that spread the koine Greek they would sound like we read then today.
@@BoogieBubble I know dear whats the erasmian accent! This one is an erasmian technique reading for sure, although the accent is nordic
Modern Greek sounds so much better.
Pronunciation seems easier
That's because it's real, the natural evolution of the language over millenia. Reconstructed pronunciations are educated guesses and therefore are totally artificial.
@@E45F678reconstructed pronunciations are not educated guesses or guesses at all, they're based on evidence and are not artificial.
@@mrmoth26
Do you even know what an educated guess means? And how is not artificial? Are they based on audio recordings of ancient people? 🤦
It's because a non native speaker reads the ancient script. The pronunciation is wrong
Yazghulami language, please
Can you make Dutch and Japanese
And what would be the sense of comparing them?
Nooo, that's pointless. Do Navajo and New Zealand English
The sense of comparing Dutch and Japanese is Europe and Asia
@@kissymontalvan1580 … that doesn’t make any sense
why Ancient Greek sounds reminds me of Finnish? :S
Elongated vowels. Same as Classical Latin.
First the homeric Greek is by someone that can't speak it natively and put to much focus and just sound weird. It's like i say the word hello but i emphasize the he-llo it just sound weird.
As for the modern Greek it's just that the tone which he speaks is like, you read it slowly to children so they understand and not like it's poetry.
And of course homeric Greek is much different from even classical Greek probably more than half the words are exclusive in it.
Make a video on accents on kannada
Day 4😊
Could you do Taiwanese Chinese and Japanese please, for tomorrow?
Millennia don't pass in vain, they are very different.
I as a Greek will tell you if it very different and what I can understand or not. You are not able to see that as you dont speak Greek. Be well soon.
Amazing. The only "mistake" is that a foreigner speaks the ancient greek in this video. The pronunciation is very wrong. Modern greek on the other hand is 100% perfect
I agree that it isn't authentic at all. But the reason for that isn't that he didn't pronounce it like modern Greek.
Because you cannot read ancient Greek texts with modern pronunciation. That is wrong
The Erasmian pronunciation needs to be banned.
😂😂 🙋♂️ I second this motion.
Ancient Greek Sounds more like Italian, modern Greek Sounds more like Spanish!!😮
Ancient greek. İt should have been μια σύο τρεις
I think the modern Greek accent is affected by Turkish too.
Greek has basically sounded like it does today for more than 1000 years, before the Turks even entered Asia Minor.
No, turkish accent is similar to Arabic languages .
The modern Greek accent is the same for more than 1000 years, long before the turks come to the region.
No. turkish language is of arab accent mostly, no realtion with Greek
Noway 😂
Not really, Modern Greek accent is usually affected by various of Mediterranean peoples that shared their own cultures and heritage. Modern Greek has few Turkish words, but majority of the Greek languages have Byzantine (and Koine Greek, which is known as Hellenistic Greek and Septuagint Greek, that was influenced from Attic Greek and Ionian Greek, the same language Alexander spoke) all the way through Byzantine Greek (also known as Medieval Greek) all the way through Modern Greek. For example after the medieval period is over, we have the city called Messina (also known as Μεσσήνη in Greek). The city of Messina is home to a small Greek-speaking minority, which arrived from the Peloponnese between 1533 and 1534 when fleeing the expansion of the Ottoman Empire.
the word Atreidis... I wonder if Frank Herbert named the Atreides' after that word or is it just a coincidence?
You've guessed very right. In the "Messiah of Dune" even Agamemnon is mentioned
Atreas was the father of Agamemnon, and his kin were called “The Atreides”. For every fancy little word or name you hear in movies there is 90% chance that it is either Greek or Latin.
I like the variety of letters in ancient greek better. In modern greek there are like three "i" letters (eta, iota, ypsilon).
In English there are about 30 ways of writing the /i/ sound.
And "ei", "oi" also are pronounced as "i".
5 'i'
ι , η , υ , ει , οι
giota, htta, ypsilon, epsilongiota, omikrongiota
First
Modern greek has too many s sounds
ehm no it has just one of them 😊
@@NantokaNejako i mean the language itself too many s words
Two Different Languages
THE OLDEST GREEK IS NOT HOMERIC, THE OLDEST GREEK IS MYCEANAEAN!!!!
OH - MY - GOD HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE SO IGNORANT THATS NOT TRUE THE OLDEST GREEK IS PROTO-GREEEEEEEK!!!!!!!!
Can anyone tell me how so many Slavic words ended up in the Homeric Lexicon?
Ottoman Empire? Greece literally shares borders with Slavic countries.
NVM, I misunderstood, you mean the opposite, which is ridiculous. Homeric Greek has no Slavic words, at best it can have Hellenic words with a common Indo-European root, so they are cognate, not loanwords.
Slavic? Wdym? I'm a slav who speaks 2 Slavic languages natively and I don't notice any Slavic words in Homeric Greek...
Homeric Greek is 2,700 years old. Slavs didn't appear in the Balkans until 6th century AD, so I highly doubt there is any link there at all.
None, like a big fat certain 0%, because the slavs settled in the balkans in the 6th century CE while homeric greek is centuries older than even Alexander's empire.
Where did you hear Slavic words in homeric Greek?? 😂😂😂
Complete different language
If analysed and spoken slowly, you see the similarities.
Also, many words are still used today "enjailed" in bigger composite words, while not used autonomously.
Unlike turkish and turkalbanian
I suppose that depends on your definition of language vs dialect.
No different. If they were different we Greeks could not understand. But we understand so it is the same language, with the accent evolution all languages had.
the same language with an evolution (mainly in accent) that every language had. Do not spread lies albo
According to genetics Greeks have a minimum admixture 56% slavic DNA.
Obsessed
Also we dont have that high amount of slavic, it would need Peloponnese, Crete and Thessaly to have 30 plus percent for each region plus an extra amount of slavic DNA for the north (which currently it's 20-30%) for the general greek population to have 56% slavic DNA, and neither Peloponnese nor Crete have significant slavic DNA (in fact, Crete is close to 0%) Thessaly is higher but only at 20%. Generally greeks are 16-20% slavic. Nice try though with your fake data, albotroll 😂
According to genetics, turkalbanians are a turkiic tribe from the Caucasus.
@@kristaps5296No, they're just as native to the region as Greeks are.
@@tobiasboston7795According to the studies, the Slavic DNA of Greeks ranges from 0.1 to 40 percent depending on the region. In general, overall it's more like 10-20 percent.
Ancient Greek sounds like Latin and ancient illyrian mixed together
And how do we know how ancient illyrian was like?
I think he means Albanian...
Silence, you will call the albanians conspiracionist nationalists.
We do not know how the ancient illyrians heard or written....
average turkalbanian haha
we dont know if there was and how it was ancient illyrian
I think that the very interesting Ancient Greek language literally sounds like a wonderful mix of Modern Greek and Albanian languages. And as an Italian and Greek mixed lady, I know we had our special history with Albanian people, with nice and not-so-nice memories due to political tensions, and even between Greeks and Italians. Maybe that's the resulting influence I can hear from that❣️ Nevertheless, I wish all three countries / peoples 🇦🇱🇬🇷🇮🇹 a great future together❣️🙏🤲🙌❤️ BTW: I love the speakers clarity in their voices. Well done, guys❣️❤️
It sounds nothing like Albanian lmao have you ever heard how Albanian sounds like? It sounds like Latin also this is Homeric greek specifically it is a mix of many different dialects
Okay, well this is a lie. Ancient Greek is not at all like Albanian
@nikoking825 I didn't lie because I only wrote, "I think it sounds like...", it's literally an opinion of me and not a fact. Keep calm, adelfós 🫠❤️
yes, we greeks are a mixed salad of aIbanian, turkish, italian/ventians, heIenoorgy fest. Thank you
@@supermavro6072 you are not greek lmao 🤣 also turkey is the most ethnically diverse nation in Mediterranean and Albania has slavic vlach Turkish and greek admixture genetics show
Ancient hellens were ALBOS
Yes and ancient Albos were albatrosses. Why not?
albos were btought in albania from caucasus by turks about 400 years ago.
What is albos?
Let me teach you some REAL history. Before the Big Bang there where 2 primordial Gods of immence power. The Alban and the Slav. These powerfull gods where fighting and their energy created the Big Bang and the universe. After millions of years earth was created and of course these gods decided that is a nice place to live. They had intercourse with distant galaxies and created albanians and slavs on the same planet. These 2 powerfull tribes fought for domination in an endless war that took at least 2.000 years and their energy from the fight (and farts) created oxygen , thus terrafoming the earth and making it habitable for other inferior humans. When they saw that no side could win they made peace and set of exploring the earth and creating civilizations all over the globe. In fact every language and civilization on earth is either slavic or albanian. Peace was upon earth , but no!!! Orcs from middle earth decided to invade with Sauron as their leader. Then the albanians and the slavs made an alliance and with their spaceships went to mars where they had a portal to summon the primordial Gods to save the earth. (It is all written in the third book of Gandalf , found in tyrana and skopje monkeydonian universities and studied from well educated albanian and slavic fortune tellers and astrologists). After defeating the orcs in a big battle near the sun , the primordial Gods banished Sauron to middle earth. And thus earth was saved. This knowledge was hidden from us , but new archeological dig sites (in dreamland where Piter Pan killed captain Hook) have the evidence we need. Source : Trust me bro , i had a dream about it last night.
Ancient greeks = Egyptians, Modern Greeks = Turks
???
@@NantokaNejakoJust a troll
Turkalbanians = Turkish tribe from Caucasus
@@tobiasboston7795 he is a turkalbanian with the average propaganda let him go
Ancient albanians - nothing
Modern albaniams - turkalbanians
Let me teach you some REAL history. Before the Big Bang there where 2 primordial Gods of immence power. The Alban and the Slav. These powerfull gods where fighting and their energy created the Big Bang and the universe. After millions of years earth was created and of course these gods decided that is a nice place to live. They had intercourse with distant galaxies and created albanians and slavs on the same planet. These 2 powerfull tribes fought for domination in an endless war that took at least 2.000 years and their energy from the fight (and farts) created oxygen , thus terrafoming the earth and making it habitable for other inferior humans. When they saw that no side could win they made peace and set of exploring the earth and creating civilizations all over the globe. In fact every language and civilization on earth is either slavic or albanian. Peace was upon earth , but no!!! Orcs from middle earth decided to invade with Sauron as their leader. Then the albanians and the slavs made an alliance and with their spaceships went to mars where they had a portal to summon the primordial Gods to save the earth. (It is all written in the third book of Gandalf , found in tyrana and skopje monkeydonian universities and studied from well educated albanian and slavic fortune tellers and astrologists). After defeating the orcs in a big battle near the sun , the primordial Gods banished Sauron to middle earth. And thus earth was saved. This knowledge was hidden from us , but new archeological dig sites (in dreamland where Piter Pan killed captain Hook) have the evidence we need. Source : Trust me bro , i had a dream about it last night.
Latin language, nothing unique
Like albanian? 😂
@@tobiasboston7795
No, that's a Turkish dialect
science has answered what the Greek language is.
Albanian language formed 300 years ago and it is mixture of serbian greek and turkish
you know that dont you?
Albanian language formed in 1600 by turks serbs and there are also Greek words.
@@southepirote7676 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ancient Greek is Albanian
Bro little albanian nationalist.)
hahaha ridiculous
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not ancient Greece, most of modern Greece is Albanian.
@@athinam.4593 You're not even trolling, are you? You actually believe your own b.s 😂
*Macedonian better!* 🇲🇰💯
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English better
No I don't think so. But I wish the Macedonians good luck in dealing with those aggressive Greek and Bulgarian individuals and institutions which are trying to "annihilate" their ethnicity. The Macedonians really deserve better, after even giving up their country's flag, their country's name, and so on. I feel pity for you, really.
@@NantokaNejako Please explain in what way Greeks and Bulgarians act "aggressively" towards North Macedonians?
Also, you are aware that the reason the name of the country was disputed was because Macedonia (Μακεδονία) is originally Greek and was appropriated by the country now calling themselves North Macedonia? A name they ended up keeping, by the way, so they didn't "give up" anything in that regard. Not to mention the fact that the Vergina Sun/Argead Star was placed on their flag despite it being an Ancient Greek symbol dating back centuries before the Slavs even arrived in the Balkans (6th century AD). Should the Greeks have simply let a foreign nation just steal this from them, along with the name? What is worse, a large population of North Macedonia seems to be under the false impression that what is actually Greek history belongs to them. Many will tell you Alexander the Great was Slavic, although history overwhelmingly disagrees with this ridiculous claim. If anything, the Greeks, their culture, history and identity have been aggressively attacked repeatedly. Greece has done what it can to defend itself.
@@E45F678 First of all you are showing your aggression basically from your first sentence by not saying *Macedonians.*
Even in your Prespa agreement that 70% of Macedonia's population opposed it is written Macedonians and Macedonian language.
МАКЕДОНИЈА is Macedonian name we even have several meanings in our Macedonian language.
The Sun of Kutlesh with 16 rays is a undeniable Macedonian symbol that was on our old churches way before you dug it from the ground and found about it. So it's natural that it will be on the flag of the Republic of Macedonia.
We Macedonians didn't arrive from anywhere we are native to this land unlike you modern greeks who are a mix of turks, albanians and it was found you have Ethiopian Sub-Saharan DNA.
Nobody is stealing from you sir *Macedonians were called barbarians* which means someone who does not speak your language and that's *the most powerful proof.*
Even if you think Alexander didn't speak today's Macedonian language, the Egyptians speak Arabic instead of egyptian, bulgars speak Slavic instead of turkic and so on.
Language is not the only thing that determines an identity.
Slavic is not an ethnicity there's
500 000 000 slavic people in the world while greks only 5 mil.
You are a new nation from 1830 made by king Otto and you want to have all the history of the world and you think everything is yours?!
Macedonian Kingdom and Empire were never ever in history called greek or under a country greece until *1913* when you made hell for the ethnic Macedonians in the Aegean part together with Serbia and Bulgaristan you partioned and divided our homeland in 3 parts with the Bucharest treaty!
We the Macedonians lost everything and you have the audacity to say you are being attacked while you live heavenly.
We are still bullied by everyone in 2024 and there's so much that I could write but it's useless, it lands on deaf ears unfortunately. God bless ☦️