Having been a fire investigator, I know of at least one case where "the fire was out" only for the FD to return later to a fully raging fire. Though not my job to invesigate that call and having been at both calls, it was my firm belief that the " rekindle" was actually arson. Unfortunately politics got involved. Why fight with the insurance co.over the details to fix the place when you can just get the full check and a new house..food for thought.
My thoughts exactly, the fire was first in the garage, the garage is usually not secured like the house is , someone definitely wanted that lady and her house gone
That's a very interesting point. I can see why youd say that. Now that I watch the video over, I see exactly where you're coming from. New firefighter here and I'm trying to learn as much as I can
You are correct. I never believed in the rekindle word. Either it wasn’t fully extinguished or someone finished the job. No excuse for not completely extinguishing since thermal imaging cameras are so affordable.
I read a lot of innuendo on why buildings reignite in this comments. In my hometown in the Netherlands there is a cautionary tale involving a reigniting house. It all started with a warm water boiler exploding when someone in the house started the shower. A guest in a front room was blown through the front window onto the street. He luckily has recovered fully from his injuries. The fire brigade was called and put out a small fire. They started packing up, but were surprised by a reigniting fire before they were even gone. It evolved in a fully involved fire, taking down the original structure and two neighbors. The response of the fire brigade was that big, that regular hydrants were not enough to get enough water. They laid a water transport hose across the city center to get to open water. It was punctured by cars driving over it multiple times. Although a proper investigation was impossible due to the extended fire damage, it is presumed something, most likely the insulation had started to smoulder and later burn out of sight.
Could someone explain why the roof crew didn't have SCBA's in place. We've had a lot of firefighters escape serious injury just because they had full PPE on when the roof gave way under them.
Three reasons: 1) You can't see what you're doing with a mask 2) You can't communicate with a mask 3) You look like it's you're first day out of the academy with a mask
Honestly, the rekindle screwup was the best thing that could happen for the homeowner. That house was trashed. Rather than the insurance fix it using what was left, let it burn up completely and start over from scratch. New copper wiring, PEX plumbing, residential sprinklers. All new high efficiency appliances.
It almost looks like the power is still on, inside the home. Any fire that gets into wiring, should have the power cut until an inspection can be made. By the power company, not just pulling the mains. That's a good way to get the place to burn down after the fact.
@@robertgrunenwald3031 Your wrong I know vollies that are better then paid pal here in NY. FDNY barley trains my volley company trained twice a week my ladder crew woujd beat any FDNY ladder crew in any tubing they did. We trained like Navy seals do you train as hard as you can in training that when it’s the real thing it’s a cake walk
Snooty fireman passing in front of the camera: “Don’t get me.” Well, sorry dude but you were already ‘got’ before you even spoke. Better yet, you are now all over the web. Great video.
I’m not a firefighter but it looked like enough of the structure remained intact to both mask and fuel a centralized rekindle from pretty low in the structure. Given the time of night and such, by the time it poked through and/or was noticed, AND got another truck out, it would probably be all over.
I must ask this question: why does it take a long time for the firemen to get water to the building? At the beginning of the film the trucks and men are already prepared to go, but they are not watering down the flames, but standing around, waiting on the hooking latter to be in place,. 2nd question is, why do firefighters break the roof or windows? Does not the fire go out of control more when Air hits the fire?. Yes. firemen are just letting the situation become worst. I know in NY, as a kid, the firemen would have the hose on the houses as soon as they arrived. Maybe the policies have changed?
@@kylewenner6315 That's funny...without much trouble...I found this picture of you. 🤡 When you LYAO...is there a loud thud?👈🤣😜🤡👈Oops another picture of you.
Considering all the equipment and manpower at the beginning of the video only to have a fully engulfed building later is inexcusable. Use it as a training video on this is what you should not do.
@@Ronaldrygun There are only two reasons for this. 1. Someone came back and set it. 2. They didn’t ensure it was completely out before they left. If #2 happens fairly often where you work, you’re doing it wrong. If you think there’s very little you can do about it, you’re in the wrong line of work.
rekindles happen, all it takes is a small pocket of something smoldering in a wall for it to happen. You can overhaul and check with a tic all you want, sometimes it just happens, its the nature of the beast. to say they did a poor job is not fair to the departments involved. Unless you've walked in the boots you probably don't even remotely understand. When we leave a fire scene we like to think the fire is 100% out, most of the time it is...on the rare occasion you see here it wasn't. The calls were 5 hours apart, not knowing how long after they cleared the scene between the 2 calls i would guess maybe 2 hours. That leads me to believe there was a hidden bit of smoldering something that was able to grow. This house is old construction, it probably had rock wool or fiberglass insulation, both of which can hide hotspots from a tic. Think before you criticize, there's a lot of training involved with being a firefighter, you don't just get gear and have at it.
I was thinking WTF just happened, myself, and then remembered a trailer fire 2 doors down that was put out and overhauled. I woke up 3 hours later from the reflection of the reignited blaze in my bedroom window….
Dude you are so wrong! Not sure where you work and glad I don’t live in your town. In all my years I remember one rekindle. If you truly are a FF you should know the basics. Use thermal imaging, bring in a fresh crew via mutual aid to do a final overhaul, and for hell’s sake leave a watch line. Do you even know what a watch line is by chance? A serious rekindle like this one may cost someone in command their job. I can’t believe someone on this string actually thanked you for the explanation. OMG
@@mr.wilson8340 you are joking right? I think fire watches went out of style sometime in the 80s. And if YOU were a firefighter you would have read what I wrote and understood what I was saying... :)
@@extricate1800 I was a firefighter for some 34 years. I remember three rekindles in that time. Someone either got suspended or fired for all three. There are no 'Rekindles'. What it means is 'You didn't put the freaking fire out the first time.'
@@RLTtizME you really need to lighten up. If something like this is put out there people are going to have opinions. Take a GOOD objective review of the incident and learn from it. The videographer says one 2 1/2 inch supply line and I questioned it and you go off calling me names.
@@timreeves3709 Which of your many BarcaLounger lectures might this be? You Tube Poser Chief’s best half baked assessments?. Timmy is both officious and haughty. Not a good look.
Neptune is an absolute shithole. The logic is more often than not, if the fire isn't threatening any other structures, it's better to let the fire burn rather than throwing resources at it. The house was a total loss before the fire even started. The companies operated exactly how they should have minus trying to fight the fire.
What a fire department. They called it out but fire was inside walls and ceiling. Always leave an engine on scene. Fire department is in trouble. Dorks.
Reignition happens a lot more frequently than you'd think and many times it is NOT the fault of the fire department but of the home or landowner. Insurance fraud is real. It has happened numerous times that I know of for a fact in my locality. But training sure is an issue with many volunteers these days and getting people to volunteer is hard enough. There are still the few that are very dedicated and will go out of their way though. One thing I did see positive in this video was the use of the 2.5 or 3 inch (whichever size they use) hoseline. Too much do you see a 1.5 pulled on a well involved fire that has taken great portions of a structure on. The water to heat dissipation gap is so huge that it is dangerous in many ways. Even a 2 inch would be more practical in that scenario but people need to stop being so scared of the large hoses and train on them more. One person can hold onto one if you know what you're doing.
A couple of years ago in our town, a fellow was working on his car in his basement garage. I've forgotten now, but whatever he was doing started a fire. By the time the fire department arrived - all volunteer with a full time chief - the house was totally engulfed in flames. It literally burned to the ground. Besides the house, he lost three prize winning antique cars as well, This is why I would never have garage within the foot print of the house.
A department I was on responded for a kerosene leak in a business. We vented the place and turned it back over to the business owner. A couple hours later it was fully involved. This was a long time ago so I don’t remember the details, but it was something about the workers that were cleaning up the kerosene did something wrong and ignited it.
Sounds sus to me. Kerosene and diesel take more than just a spark to ignite. It usually requires a sustained heat source to get enough vapor generation to achieve ignition
Born & raised in Neptune Twp. Hamilton Fire Department & Hamilton First Aid for 8 years before I became a USAF AARF. Since Glendola responded, this must be near Shark River Park or Western Hamilton Garden's. Thanks for my stroll down memory lane.
Wow, sure went up quick the second time. My department had a mobile home fire, witch we knocked with only the kitchen burnt. (This was the first time ever my vollie dept saved a mobile home, from a fire originating in the house). We were called back two days later at 4am for the whole trailer on fire and melted gas cans found in underneath. I don't think the insurance company ever even taked to any of the FDs that responded.
The reason this fire got the chance to grew that big is lack of engagement..... The ff is way to passiv.... To save this building, they should have open up the roof as soon as the garage fire was suppressed, then they should have used at least 3 handlines, and had s more aggressive attack on all fronts.... Both a, b, c and d side.... Obviously the restart of the fire is due to lack of a real wet down... And a fire watch..... After the fire is "put out" there will always be hotspots that can reegnite a fire....
Do you what you're talking about at all? You never have opposing handlines so to say they should have one on each side of the structure is the first mistake. Second, based on the one image, it appears the fire had vented through the roof already by itself. So to open the roof more would add more oxygen to the fire and provide for rapid growth within the walls or ceiling. And 3rd, the fire was an arson. There is no possible way for the fire to get that big, that fast just being a rekindle. Unl ees as response times are upwards of 30 minutes or more in that area which I doubt. For the structure to be burning that much and the frame falling apart, it would have to be burning for a good 15 to 20 minutes. Wood begins to fail under fire conditions around the 15 to 20 minute mark depending on I'd they used pressure treated lumber. So I'd have to say you're wrong there bud
so now that I watched the entire video let me ask a fire fighter who may read this. I have always felt like the fire department responds with not as many lines as they could. I am not a FF only a victim of house fire and observer. I watched my house and most of these videos and think the FFs need pep in their step and it always seems like less fire damage would happen if they just used more lines. In that thought process I tell myself I'm not a FF, panic helps no one so they look slow but it's a perception from the outside. Am I crazy? I totally respect our FF. They have a hard job and deal with unspeakable tragedies with victims but today I feel like asking the question that always run through my mind.
Normally I am not critical of another Department but there is NO EXCUSE to have a rekindel. One of the clues was the fact that fire broke out by the garage on the left side indicating fire in the walls. The way the smoke pushing out of the attic was the first clue to a flashover. I would NEVER put my men or women on any roof like that. I hope there were no serious injuries. I feel for the homeowner that lost their home due to improper job performance.
I think we see way to much reliance on technology such as a TIC -a solid knowledge of both building construction and fire behavior will do more to prevent rekindles than a dozen TICs
What gets me is - the fire brigade must have thought they had that fire under control, if not extinguished - so apparently they all went home - MEANWHILE, the smoldering remnants of the blaze must have reignited and spread undetected throughout the house! What an embarrassment it must have been for that crew to be summoned back to the scene only to find the house destroyed.
#1 we aren’t called the fire brigade, we don’t eat tea and crumpets, and we don’t wear those silly hats that look like bike helmets. #2 that’s something called a rekindle, and no matter how much water they sprayed on that fire it still would have most likely reignited itself, it was out of their control. #3 that’s not embarrassing, we don’t give a fuck because it’s out of our control, it would be embarrassing if the house burnt to the ground while we were there
They only have a Skeleton Crew during the day. The rest are Volunteer's. Back in my day at the Hamilton Fire Department, the employers would let Fireman leave for a call. Neptune could not afford a paid staff for all 7 Departments.
The owner was probably thinking some of her personal possessions were okay and then finds out the whole thing burned to the ground after the fire dept left.
It was most likely arson. Juat based on the soul fact that the fire was well contained to the garage side the first time. For the house to be that involved to the point where its falling apart, that's at least been burning good like that for 10 to 15 minutes. And unless the response times are over 20 minutes there, which I highly doubt, everything points to arson.
The hose man needs to get some strength if he’s going to be on the nozzle. When facing a rolling, involved fire like this, the isn’t any good reason to not have water flowing on the fire.
very odd, newer construction so there's no balloon walls , most likely built before light weight crap, attic opened from roof, seems knocked down, then fully involved,. This house must of has a a gas leak
Such nice and pretty Fire trucks...I wonder how and what they use them for...???... Other than parades....Certainly didn't use them in this case, it seems....
Fire in the walls....a few embers got missed. Homeowner came back after everything and saw reignition then just waited to ensure a full replacement payout. The second half of the video makes it clear the FD wrote off the house and just prevented fire spread on the second response. With no life saftey threats, that would be what usually happens. Many departments in the USA will pull back when lives aren't at threat and just play a defensive strategy. Basically they knock it down in the first 15 minutes, the time it takes to search and save, or the building becomes a loss.
As far as tactics the first go, really all I can see wrong is the guys on the roof. Available visibility of all 4 sectors is limited to alpha, bravo, bravo charlie corner. Based on burn patterns visible I'm think the po was charlie side rear of the garage, most likely outside. The fake shake siding, foam board, corner channels and soffit brought it right to the attic. If true (should assume by the color and medial turbulence of the smoke from the gable vents)There is no telling what is under that roof. Being it first broke thru the roof at charlie side towards delta is another reason I believe po was ground level charlie towards delta. So that part of the roof had been the longest, but also meaning the entire charlie sector of the roof was going the longest as well...That aside, a look thru the alpha window shows evidence of all heat and smoke being evacuated out thru the already burning thru roof, but also the gable vents. So really there absolutely no reason to add any openings for vv...if anything add some more points for horizontal ventilation on the first and a half floor...also no need to risk lives to be on top of a roof with evidence of much longer burn time under it. Anyway my observation from what is visible.
So, what happened? I'am so confused, I thought that the fire department had the fire completely put out! Does anybody know what started the fire in the first place? Was it arson? Were the home owners home?
Based on how the fire was contained to the garage side of the house and to come back later with the whole house fully involved, in my opinion based on what I've read from others on here and have learned in school, it was most likely an arson. Even if it was a rekindle the whole house wouldnt be that involved that fast, assuming the response time was fast.
I hate to say it but that house was doomed the moment that garage caught on fire. I can't believe that was the same house. When I was in high school I came home one day and there was a house fire where, sadly, two kids lost their lives. This was about 3 pm in the afternoon. Later that night about 2 am the house caught fire again and it was worse than before. I just remember driving by on my way to school seeing all the fire trucks parked out front of it. These things happen.
Finally someone who gets it. It happened to my department a while back. You can spend hours and hours overhauling and if you miss even one tiny ember it could reignite the house. Thank you for having a brain man 😂
@@Ronaldrygun oh I believe it. Its alot more common than people think. Wasnt my first one but i had one do that too. It's an unfortunate part of firefighting
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@@mr.wilson8340 , doesn’t matter where you from if you see a shit show you can comment on it. If you don’t like to be criticised don’t put your fuck ups on UA-cam.
I respect firemen and the job they do for our communities, so please don't be offended by my comment. How the hell does this happen with all of the manpower that was on scene and with today's technology? Don't they have thermo scanners that can detect hotspots? If not and this is something that can happen, they shouldn't fully leave until they are positive the entire fire has been put out. Wouldn't it be common sense to leave part of a crew there on scene to monitor the home and to prevent a re-kindle from happening?
100% correct.... Laziness.... and its a shame because even small town rural depts have thermo scanners nowadays.... but still no excuse.... overhaul til you are 1000000% sure that the scene is safe and secure.... and IF you want to be lazy.... leave an engine behind for fire watch with 2 guys.... its not rocket science......
This happens more than you think. I saw this happen twice. The first time was 30 years ago. The second time was about 10 years ago when firefighters had TICs (thermal imaging cameras) to look for hotspots. The problem is there is a lot more than just putting water on a fire. Firefighters can "overhaul" all they want but sometimes these fires reignite. There can be other factors such as weather or maybe the firefighters missed a hotspot. They can't leave crew on the scene of a fire because they need that crew if there were another fire. It's sad to see but these things happen. Nobody intends for them to happen.....
We see a lot of rekindles in older homes, especially those with balloon frame construction. Where the fire can go up, down, across, under and above and be virtually undetectable, even with all the modern advances in technology.
Let's face facts here - the firemen did their best to extinguish the blaze, but by the time they left the scene the first time around, that house was ALREADY RUINT past salvaging. It is almost as if the house itself, knowing that it had no future, re-ignited and burned itself the rest of the way to the ground, as a kindly gesture to its unfortunate owners to spare them the expense of having it torn down, which they otherwise would have been required to pay.
Ruint? Why would they be required to pay to tear down a total loss home if it was half burned but not fully burned? That literally makes no sense. If they have home owners insurance they would cover the house whether it only had fire damage to the garage or was a total loss and burned to the ground..
I hate that we don't bury electrical wiring. It's so ugly and it gets exposed to all the bad weather and fallen trees. Guess they left too soon. When my condo building caught on fire they said this could happen and it did but one truck had stayed on site and put it out. What the fire doesn't get the water will.
To have two guys up venting the roof without SCBA (or even eyepro!) is illegal, unprofessional, and inexcusable. Whoever is ultimately responsible for this department Needs to have a serious sit down with the chief. This is not the 1970's
They have to do a better job of overhauling unless someone wanted to make sure it was a total loss lol it looks like the FD left and had to come back usually a rekindle won’t go up that fast 🤔
You are so right. My first house had the garage built under the house and although thankfully there was no issue with fire, there were two other issues with this type of layout… (1) in the winter when it’s bitter cold every time you open the garage door a blast of arctic air enters and found it’s way into the bedrooms upstairs. (2) in the Fall you had a be super quick in and out of the garage because if you left the door open unattended, field mice would find their way inside the garage and eventually inside the house.
When two firemen crawl onto the roof of a burning structure even without face masks and another one is randomly smashing a fence... appreciate every fireman's commitment, but this is unacceptable.
Having been a fire investigator, I know of at least one case where "the fire was out" only for the FD to return later to a fully raging fire. Though not my job to invesigate that call and having been at both calls, it was my firm belief that the " rekindle" was actually arson. Unfortunately politics got involved.
Why fight with the insurance co.over the details to fix the place when you can just get the full check and a new house..food for thought.
My thoughts exactly, the fire was first in the garage, the garage is usually not secured like the house is , someone definitely wanted that lady and her house gone
That's a very interesting point. I can see why youd say that. Now that I watch the video over, I see exactly where you're coming from. New firefighter here and I'm trying to learn as much as I can
@@adamvelichka9194 Lesson one he who plays with fire gets burned
Yup, you have the utility companies respond & shut off gas & electric come back later fully involved?
You are correct. I never believed in the rekindle word. Either it wasn’t fully extinguished or someone finished the job.
No excuse for not completely extinguishing since thermal imaging cameras are so affordable.
I read a lot of innuendo on why buildings reignite in this comments. In my hometown in the Netherlands there is a cautionary tale involving a reigniting house. It all started with a warm water boiler exploding when someone in the house started the shower. A guest in a front room was blown through the front window onto the street. He luckily has recovered fully from his injuries. The fire brigade was called and put out a small fire. They started packing up, but were surprised by a reigniting fire before they were even gone. It evolved in a fully involved fire, taking down the original structure and two neighbors. The response of the fire brigade was that big, that regular hydrants were not enough to get enough water. They laid a water transport hose across the city center to get to open water. It was punctured by cars driving over it multiple times. Although a proper investigation was impossible due to the extended fire damage, it is presumed something, most likely the insulation had started to smoulder and later burn out of sight.
Could someone explain why the roof crew didn't have SCBA's in place. We've had a lot of firefighters escape serious injury just because they had full PPE on when the roof gave way under them.
Was wondering the same myself.
Three reasons:
1) You can't see what you're doing with a mask
2) You can't communicate with a mask
3) You look like it's you're first day out of the academy with a mask
@@cluckhead1913 What ?
@@cluckhead1913 How about the FF who didn't have a helmet? He was outside the fire, in front of the house, but he MUST have a helmet on.
Are you bloody serious ?
Honestly, the rekindle screwup was the best thing that could happen for the homeowner. That house was trashed. Rather than the insurance fix it using what was left, let it burn up completely and start over from scratch. New copper wiring, PEX plumbing, residential sprinklers. All new high efficiency appliances.
😂 that was the point of the fire! insurance
looks and sounds like the fire dept didn't do the job right the first time
Amen! Lazy overhauling
Owner could’ve gone in after the fact and lit it off.. been on a few of them.
It almost looks like the power is still on, inside the home. Any fire that gets into wiring, should have the power cut until an inspection can be made. By the power company, not just pulling the mains. That's a good way to get the place to burn down after the fact.
Difference between payed and volunteer
@@robertgrunenwald3031 Your wrong I know vollies that are better then paid pal here in NY. FDNY barley trains my volley company trained twice a week my ladder crew woujd beat any FDNY ladder crew in any tubing they did. We trained like Navy seals do you train as hard as you can in training that when it’s the real thing it’s a cake walk
Where The Hell Is The Water? Sad
Snooty fireman passing in front of the camera: “Don’t get me.” Well, sorry dude but you were already ‘got’ before you even spoke. Better yet, you are now all over the web. Great video.
So many experts here. You learn so much watching Chicago Fire.
Tremendous amount of fire for a rekindle, something funny going on here ! Just saying
I’m not a firefighter but it looked like enough of the structure remained intact to both mask and fuel a centralized rekindle from pretty low in the structure. Given the time of night and such, by the time it poked through and/or was noticed, AND got another truck out, it would probably be all over.
Be careful with blown-in-insulation. Remove as much as you can on a well involved house. It’s known for causing rekindles.
What made them decide to use the water?
I must ask this question: why does it take a long time for the firemen to get water to the building? At the beginning of the film the trucks and men are already prepared to go, but they are not watering down the flames, but standing around, waiting on the hooking latter to be in place,. 2nd question is, why do firefighters break the roof or windows? Does not the fire go out of control more when Air hits the fire?. Yes. firemen are just letting the situation become worst. I know in NY, as a kid, the firemen would have the hose on the houses as soon as they arrived. Maybe the policies have changed?
So was this a rekindle or did someone screwup …
Should have titled this one "Just when you though you had it out"
That’s what happens when you don’t do a good job overhauling chief.
Remind me not to move the Neptune
Nobody wants you around anyway. Win win.
@@RLTtizME butt hurt a little? You must be one of the clowns at this circus. LMAO
@@kylewenner6315 That's funny...without much trouble...I found this picture of you. 🤡 When you LYAO...is there a loud thud?👈🤣😜🤡👈Oops another picture of you.
Dude its arson. Literally every single aspect of the situation points towards it
How did this happen? Fire was out? That poor family.
Considering all the equipment and manpower at the beginning of the video only to have a fully engulfed building later is inexcusable. Use it as a training video on this is what you should not do.
It’s a re kindle. They left
Rekindles happen very often, and most of the time we can’t do much about it
@@Ronaldrygun lies. This is why you do extensive overhaul operations and then hire derail companies for sometimes days after large fires.
Or the fire setter got it right the second time.
@@Ronaldrygun There are only two reasons for this.
1. Someone came back and set it.
2. They didn’t ensure it was completely out before they left.
If #2 happens fairly often where you work, you’re doing it wrong.
If you think there’s very little you can do about it, you’re in the wrong line of work.
Dude this is like top notch journalism
So was it a rekindle or did it get torched after the departments left? Either way… Doesn’t look good…
rekindles happen, all it takes is a small pocket of something smoldering in a wall for it to happen. You can overhaul and check with a tic all you want, sometimes it just happens, its the nature of the beast. to say they did a poor job is not fair to the departments involved. Unless you've walked in the boots you probably don't even remotely understand. When we leave a fire scene we like to think the fire is 100% out, most of the time it is...on the rare occasion you see here it wasn't. The calls were 5 hours apart, not knowing how long after they cleared the scene between the 2 calls i would guess maybe 2 hours. That leads me to believe there was a hidden bit of smoldering something that was able to grow. This house is old construction, it probably had rock wool or fiberglass insulation, both of which can hide hotspots from a tic. Think before you criticize, there's a lot of training involved with being a firefighter, you don't just get gear and have at it.
Thanks for explaining this to people who never held any hose other than a garden hose!,
I was thinking WTF just happened, myself, and then remembered a trailer fire 2 doors down that was put out and overhauled. I woke up 3 hours later from the reflection of the reignited blaze in my bedroom window….
Dude you are so wrong! Not sure where you work and glad I don’t live in your town. In all my years I remember one rekindle. If you truly are a FF you should know the basics. Use thermal imaging, bring in a fresh crew via mutual aid to do a final overhaul, and for hell’s sake leave a watch line. Do you even know what a watch line is by chance? A serious rekindle like this one may cost someone in command their job. I can’t believe someone on this string actually thanked you for the explanation. OMG
@@mr.wilson8340 you are joking right? I think fire watches went out of style sometime in the 80s. And if YOU were a firefighter you would have read what I wrote and understood what I was saying... :)
@@extricate1800 I was a firefighter for some 34 years. I remember three rekindles in that time. Someone either got suspended or fired for all three. There are no 'Rekindles'. What it means is 'You didn't put the freaking fire out the first time.'
Just like a wood-burning stove. The fire smolders. Lot a smoke & heat. Open-the-door, and a fresh breath of air...and KaBoom!
That whole damn department needs to be trained… I mean what in the hell were they doing??
Sure looks that way!
Appears you fancy yourself as the very person to do that.
@@RLTtizME you really need to lighten up. If something like this is put out there people are going to have opinions. Take a GOOD objective review of the incident and learn from it. The videographer says one 2 1/2 inch supply line and I questioned it and you go off calling me names.
@@timreeves3709 Which of your many BarcaLounger lectures might this be? You Tube Poser Chief’s best half baked assessments?. Timmy is both officious and haughty. Not a good look.
Regardless 2nd time was a charm!
Ahhhh the ole rekindle. This is why overhaul is so important!! They probably don’t see a lot of fire just watching how they operate.
Neptune is an absolute shithole. The logic is more often than not, if the fire isn't threatening any other structures, it's better to let the fire burn rather than throwing resources at it. The house was a total loss before the fire even started. The companies operated exactly how they should have minus trying to fight the fire.
What a fire department. They called it out but fire was inside walls and ceiling. Always leave an engine on scene. Fire department is in trouble. Dorks.
Dorks? What is this, a 1990s high school?
@@Rickyrab I would have used DUMBA......, but dork works
This one's knocked... Alright, we've got a fully-involved structure here... **frame collapses**
Reignition happens a lot more frequently than you'd think and many times it is NOT the fault of the fire department but of the home or landowner. Insurance fraud is real. It has happened numerous times that I know of for a fact in my locality. But training sure is an issue with many volunteers these days and getting people to volunteer is hard enough. There are still the few that are very dedicated and will go out of their way though. One thing I did see positive in this video was the use of the 2.5 or 3 inch (whichever size they use) hoseline. Too much do you see a 1.5 pulled on a well involved fire that has taken great portions of a structure on. The water to heat dissipation gap is so huge that it is dangerous in many ways. Even a 2 inch would be more practical in that scenario but people need to stop being so scared of the large hoses and train on them more. One person can hold onto one if you know what you're doing.
A couple of years ago in our town, a fellow was working on his car in his basement garage. I've forgotten now, but whatever he was doing started a fire. By the time the fire department arrived - all volunteer with a full time chief - the house was totally engulfed in flames. It literally burned to the ground. Besides the house, he lost three prize winning antique cars as well, This is why I would never have garage within the foot print of the house.
That beautiful fence. Come on guys.
Prayers that everyone is safe and everyone was out safe.I am so sorry for the home owners loss please stay safe
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Same house? A rekindle? The tower that was in front is gone?
A department I was on responded for a kerosene leak in a business. We vented the place and turned it back over to the business owner. A couple hours later it was fully involved. This was a long time ago so I don’t remember the details, but it was something about the workers that were cleaning up the kerosene did something wrong and ignited it.
Or on purpose ?
@@HB-yq8gy Accidental.
That happens it could have been a hot ember that got blown back into the structure it sucks but it's something that they didn't had control of
Sounds sus to me. Kerosene and diesel take more than just a spark to ignite. It usually requires a sustained heat source to get enough vapor generation to achieve ignition
Born & raised in Neptune Twp. Hamilton Fire Department & Hamilton First Aid for 8 years before I became a USAF AARF.
Since Glendola responded, this must be near Shark River Park or Western Hamilton Garden's. Thanks for my stroll down memory lane.
interesting how there is a comment fron the town where the video is shot.
this leaves you with so many questions? Arson? did they leave the house to soon with hot spots?
was kinda confused at first, then i read the description and it all made sense.
these fires are about 5 hours apart.
Wow, sure went up quick the second time. My department had a mobile home fire, witch we knocked with only the kitchen burnt. (This was the first time ever my vollie dept saved a mobile home, from a fire originating in the house). We were called back two days later at 4am for the whole trailer on fire and melted gas cans found in underneath. I don't think the insurance company ever even taked to any of the FDs that responded.
The reason this fire got the chance to grew that big is lack of engagement..... The ff is way to passiv.... To save this building, they should have open up the roof as soon as the garage fire was suppressed, then they should have used at least 3 handlines, and had s more aggressive attack on all fronts.... Both a, b, c and d side....
Obviously the restart of the fire is due to lack of a real wet down... And a fire watch..... After the fire is "put out" there will always be hotspots that can reegnite a fire....
LOL...you are a "Chief" in search of a Department?
Wtf is this syntax,?…
@@scottythejrff4502 He is a motivational speaker.
Do you what you're talking about at all? You never have opposing handlines so to say they should have one on each side of the structure is the first mistake. Second, based on the one image, it appears the fire had vented through the roof already by itself. So to open the roof more would add more oxygen to the fire and provide for rapid growth within the walls or ceiling. And 3rd, the fire was an arson. There is no possible way for the fire to get that big, that fast just being a rekindle. Unl ees as response times are upwards of 30 minutes or more in that area which I doubt. For the structure to be burning that much and the frame falling apart, it would have to be burning for a good 15 to 20 minutes. Wood begins to fail under fire conditions around the 15 to 20 minute mark depending on I'd they used pressure treated lumber. So I'd have to say you're wrong there bud
0mg the only thing left standing is the garage where the first fire started. How ironic.
A new door, some windows, a little paint, good as new.
So sad for the family... 😪 🙏
so now that I watched the entire video let me ask a fire fighter who may read this. I have always felt like the fire department responds with not as many lines as they could. I am not a FF only a victim of house fire and observer. I watched my house and most of these videos and think the FFs need pep in their step and it always seems like less fire damage would happen if they just used more lines. In that thought process I tell myself I'm not a FF, panic helps no one so they look slow but it's a perception from the outside. Am I crazy? I totally respect our FF. They have a hard job and deal with unspeakable tragedies with victims but today I feel like asking the question that always run through my mind.
Am I right in saying that most houses have a ventilation vent on the side of houses?
Uhhh, yeah, what you said.
Depends on area of country and age of contruction.
Why does that matter
There's no such thing as a "rekindle". It either wasn't out the first time or it had some "help".
Exactly….
This is one option for "Remodeling" the ubiquitous, classic American 1960's raised-ranch house with a split-level entryway.
Good job boys, NOT!!
Chief this place looks familiar. 🇬🇧👍🤣😂
Incident commander should be fired or step down ! How long was the rekindle burning before someone saw it ?
It was arson dude. Everything about the situation points to arson
Normally I am not critical of another Department but there is NO EXCUSE to have a rekindel. One of the clues was the fact that fire broke out by the garage on the left side indicating fire in the walls. The way the smoke pushing out of the attic was the first clue to a flashover. I would NEVER put my men or women on any roof like that. I hope there were no serious injuries. I feel for the homeowner that lost their home due to improper job performance.
I think we see way to much reliance on technology such as a TIC -a solid knowledge of both building construction and fire behavior will do more to prevent rekindles than a dozen TICs
thank you John
You're prove you aren't a firefighter and have never fought a fire in your life
What gets me is - the fire brigade must have thought they had that fire under control, if not extinguished - so apparently they all went home - MEANWHILE, the smoldering remnants of the blaze must have reignited and spread undetected throughout the house! What an embarrassment it must have been for that crew to be summoned back to the scene only to find the house destroyed.
#1 we aren’t called the fire brigade, we don’t eat tea and crumpets, and we don’t wear those silly hats that look like bike helmets. #2 that’s something called a rekindle, and no matter how much water they sprayed on that fire it still would have most likely reignited itself, it was out of their control. #3 that’s not embarrassing, we don’t give a fuck because it’s out of our control, it would be embarrassing if the house burnt to the ground while we were there
@@Ronaldrygun Yeah if it had been a fire brigade then it wouldn't have been a rekindle and total loss. ;)
@@KrK007 touché- with the way your government is looking, you’ll all be using buckets again soon, then you can REALLY embrace that title.
I know we fire buffers like to criticize but, hopefully, everyone went home safe. They can always rebuild.
Wait, this happened after the departments left right? You can see them pulling out the hoses again.
When you live on Neptune, it takes quite some time for the fire trucks to arrive!
They only have a Skeleton Crew during the day. The rest are Volunteer's. Back in my day at the Hamilton Fire Department, the employers would let Fireman leave for a call. Neptune could not afford a paid staff for all 7 Departments.
Great job on not doing your job FD
The owner was probably thinking some of her personal possessions were okay and then finds out the whole thing burned to the ground after the fire dept left.
That is the sad part of it... memories, etc., turned to ashes.
😢😢
Not a firefighter but this seems inexcusable that they didn't properly snuff the fire out properly the 1st time.
It was most likely arson. Juat based on the soul fact that the fire was well contained to the garage side the first time. For the house to be that involved to the point where its falling apart, that's at least been burning good like that for 10 to 15 minutes. And unless the response times are over 20 minutes there, which I highly doubt, everything points to arson.
The hose man needs to get some strength if he’s going to be on the nozzle. When facing a rolling, involved fire like this, the isn’t any good reason to not have water flowing on the fire.
just one hose?
Great catch !! Dam they suck at overhaul !! lol no one had a TIC ?? Thermal imagining camera
Roof vented.....done
Spot fires extinguished....done
Under control, let's all go home.
Oh wait.....
A little YT screenplay. Thanks for that.
“The cause of either fire is unknown?” I’d say we all pretty much know what the cause of the second fire was LOL. Like maybe perhaps, the first fire?
very odd, newer construction so there's no balloon walls , most likely built before light weight crap, attic opened from roof, seems knocked down, then fully involved,. This house must of has a a gas leak
@11:30 What did he say as he passed by? "Don't get....?"
Sad to see a nice home totally destroyed by fire; the insurance company will write it off.
Well give them credit they saved the garage
Such nice and pretty Fire trucks...I wonder how and what they use them for...???... Other than parades....Certainly didn't use them in this case, it seems....
I’ve seen rekindling before but whoa 😳
Venting a roof without a mask on?!!! You have got to be kidding me!!!
9minutes,why are they putting water on it?
Fire in the walls....a few embers got missed. Homeowner came back after everything and saw reignition then just waited to ensure a full replacement payout. The second half of the video makes it clear the FD wrote off the house and just prevented fire spread on the second response. With no life saftey threats, that would be what usually happens. Many departments in the USA will pull back when lives aren't at threat and just play a defensive strategy. Basically they knock it down in the first 15 minutes, the time it takes to search and save, or the building becomes a loss.
A certain saying about “ass” and “elbow” seems highly applicable here
As far as tactics the first go, really all I can see wrong is the guys on the roof. Available visibility of all 4 sectors is limited to alpha, bravo, bravo charlie corner. Based on burn patterns visible I'm think the po was charlie side rear of the garage, most likely outside. The fake shake siding, foam board, corner channels and soffit brought it right to the attic. If true (should assume by the color and medial turbulence of the smoke from the gable vents)There is no telling what is under that roof. Being it first broke thru the roof at charlie side towards delta is another reason I believe po was ground level charlie towards delta. So that part of the roof had been the longest, but also meaning the entire charlie sector of the roof was going the longest as well...That aside, a look thru the alpha window shows evidence of all heat and smoke being evacuated out thru the already burning thru roof, but also the gable vents. So really there absolutely no reason to add any openings for vv...if anything add some more points for horizontal ventilation on the first and a half floor...also no need to risk lives to be on top of a roof with evidence of much longer burn time under it. Anyway my observation from what is visible.
You have no clue what you are babbling about
So, what happened? I'am so confused, I thought that the fire department had the fire completely put out!
Does anybody know what started the fire in the first place? Was it arson? Were the home owners home?
Based on how the fire was contained to the garage side of the house and to come back later with the whole house fully involved, in my opinion based on what I've read from others on here and have learned in school, it was most likely an arson. Even if it was a rekindle the whole house wouldnt be that involved that fast, assuming the response time was fast.
I hate to say it but that house was doomed the moment that garage caught on fire. I can't believe that was the same house. When I was in high school I came home one day and there was a house fire where, sadly, two kids lost their lives. This was about 3 pm in the afternoon. Later that night about 2 am the house caught fire again and it was worse than before. I just remember driving by on my way to school seeing all the fire trucks parked out front of it. These things happen.
What's with the dbag EMS guy around the 1130 mark, "don't get me" Like on video? Uummmm, he's allowed to jackwagon!
No matter how well you overhaul this can and does happen, unfortunately to all fire departments!
Finally someone who gets it. It happened to my department a while back. You can spend hours and hours overhauling and if you miss even one tiny ember it could reignite the house. Thank you for having a brain man 😂
@@adamvelichka9194 my first structure fire we ripped out a shit ton of insulation and got called back out at 2:30 am cause the pile reignited
@@Ronaldrygun oh I believe it. Its alot more common than people think. Wasnt my first one but i had one do that too. It's an unfortunate part of firefighting
Agreed! It looks like a split level, and those garages are really hard to overhaul and prevent any rekindles.
At my job we've had quite a few in a year, the older and closer together the structures the harder it is to be 100% sure it's 100% kicked.
NFD "we always get it right the second time".
My department has a extended firewatch after all structure fires.
The last call there I would have just hit it with the deck gun
@4:08 I Wish these Firefighters were Wearing Breathing Apparatus, Here In My State Of Victoria in Australia, So Many Firefighters Have Gone Home/Heaven Due to Toxic Smoke Inhalation, Just Doing their Job. This Job As A Firefighter is Deadly. So Many Suffer from Cancer due to the toxic Fumes. To all Firefighters In America, Australia You are Hero's. I Salute Them all. Kindest thoughts to you all and your families and Furbabies. 😥👩🚒👨🚒🚒
Another US firefighter stuff up. The chief should be fired and the whole crew sent for intensive training. What a mess.
Or maybe If you aren’t in the US butt out. What is a “stuff up” by the way?
@@mr.wilson8340 , doesn’t matter where you from if you see a shit show you can comment on it. If you don’t like to be criticised don’t put your fuck ups on UA-cam.
did the same house recatch on fire
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I respect firemen and the job they do for our communities, so please don't be offended by my comment.
How the hell does this happen with all of the manpower that was on scene and with today's technology? Don't they have thermo scanners that can detect hotspots? If not and this is something that can happen, they shouldn't fully leave until they are positive the entire fire has been put out. Wouldn't it be common sense to leave part of a crew there on scene to monitor the home and to prevent a re-kindle from happening?
100% correct.... Laziness.... and its a shame because even small town rural depts have thermo scanners nowadays.... but still no excuse.... overhaul til you are 1000000% sure that the scene is safe and secure.... and IF you want to be lazy.... leave an engine behind for fire watch with 2 guys.... its not rocket science......
This happens more than you think. I saw this happen twice. The first time was 30 years ago. The second time was about 10 years ago when firefighters had TICs (thermal imaging cameras) to look for hotspots. The problem is there is a lot more than just putting water on a fire. Firefighters can "overhaul" all they want but sometimes these fires reignite. There can be other factors such as weather or maybe the firefighters missed a hotspot. They can't leave crew on the scene of a fire because they need that crew if there were another fire. It's sad to see but these things happen. Nobody intends for them to happen.....
Hopefully they had insurance on their home.
We see a lot of rekindles in older homes, especially those with balloon frame construction. Where the fire can go up, down, across, under and above and be virtually undetectable, even with all the modern advances in technology.
Good grief. It's like they gave up on it and just let it burn to the ground.
If you read the description. They put it out. And then the next morning it was fully involved. Meaning. There were 2 fires.
Somebody going g around the neighborhood settingfires?
Looks like Sylvania township FD in ohio. They are known as foundation savers for a reason, looks like they have competition 😳
Well that's embarrassing !!
It wasn't out!..A Re Kindle!...
WTF! Now you see it, now you don't!
And
Hopefully they got it out by now?
Let's face facts here - the firemen did their best to extinguish the blaze, but by the time they left the scene the first time around, that house was ALREADY RUINT past salvaging. It is almost as if the house itself, knowing that it had no future, re-ignited and burned itself the rest of the way to the ground, as a kindly gesture to its unfortunate owners to spare them the expense of having it torn down, which they otherwise would have been required to pay.
Ruint? Why would they be required to pay to tear down a total loss home if it was half burned but not fully burned? That literally makes no sense. If they have home owners insurance they would cover the house whether it only had fire damage to the garage or was a total loss and burned to the ground..
The house wasn’t that bad the first time
I hate that we don't bury electrical wiring. It's so ugly and it gets exposed to all the bad weather and fallen trees. Guess they left too soon. When my condo building caught on fire they said this could happen and it did but one truck had stayed on site and put it out. What the fire doesn't get the water will.
Hey my fire friends 🤘🤘🤘👏👏
That's a shame.The whole house is gone.Asbury park or Long Branch should have assisted.
I just don’t understand with ALL that apparatus there and all the manpower and hydrants around, how this even happens. It doesn’t make a lot of sense.
To have two guys up venting the roof without SCBA (or even eyepro!) is illegal, unprofessional, and inexcusable. Whoever is ultimately responsible for this department Needs to have a serious sit down with the chief. This is not the 1970's
And in the beginning of the video one guy didn’t even have his helmet on at the front door he was just wearing a hat 😂 real professional
They have to do a better job of overhauling unless someone wanted to make sure it was a total loss lol it looks like the FD left and had to come back usually a rekindle won’t go up that fast 🤔
I hope they got out!
This is why I would never live in a house with the garage attached or built under the house.
You are so right. My first house had the garage built under the house and although thankfully there was no issue with fire, there were two other issues with this type of layout…
(1) in the winter when it’s bitter cold every time you open the garage door a blast of arctic air enters and found it’s way into the bedrooms upstairs.
(2) in the Fall you had a be super quick in and out of the garage because if you left the door open unattended, field mice would find their way inside the garage and eventually inside the house.
Your penchant for tents is a bit odd tho.
Typical yank firies, how the hell could you loose that place.. seriously
Appears you fully slept though every grammar class you ever attended.
@@timreeves3709 You grovel at the altar of duncery Timmy.
@@timreeves3709 Oh Timmy...you are quite the manly BarcaLounger Chief. 😂
@@timreeves3709 Timmy...not angry...just laughing at you...as we all are. 👈🤣🤣🤣🤡👍👍
Union Firefighters, Ha Ha. Don't Hurt Yourself.
When two firemen crawl onto the roof of a burning structure even without face masks and another one is randomly smashing a fence... appreciate every fireman's commitment, but this is unacceptable.