@@butwere3-0wou Thank you for your kind reply, sorry it took so long fo me to respond. We freigh415.51t engineers got paid 2 ways. First, the total weight of the locomotive consist, then the mileage. 100 miles was the same as 8 hours. S. Kearny, NJ to Enola, PA was 194 miles, so I had 94 over miles. If I had 2 E44's at 390,000 lbs each , that's 780,000 lbs. total, then look at the chart and see what my rate would be and get out the little pocket computer and figure out my pay. When I worked Denver to Pueblo, I was making about $40,000.00 per year 1978-1981. I worked on the Mormon Turn (Fresno, CA to Stockton, CA 1982-1986 and was making about $44K a year on a 126 mile district local freight, working 6 days a week. I went to AMT at the start-up of zone 12. We were paid on an hourly rate of $15.51 per hour, no weight on drivers or mileage. For passenger work, that made perfect sense to me. When I retired Jan. 4, 2011, I was at $36.34 per hour, I think!?! After 36 years of engine service, they deducted over 1.9 million dollars from my checks!
All I have got to say is that the EMD MAC cab is one of the best looking Cab designs for a locomotive. And I would love for their to be a Cowl unit MAC locomotive.
according to the specs the rpm range was 200 rpm up to 904 rpm. Remember the prime role of the diesel is to drive the electrical generators. The technical details of this locomotive model are as follows:[3] Prime mover Electro-Motive Diesel V-20 710G3B-ES Displacement: 14,200 cubic inches (233 L) Idle: 200 rpm Full speed: 904 rpm Lube oil capacity: 510 US gal (1,900 l; 420 imp gal) Cooling water capacity: 342 US gal (1,290 l; 285 imp gal) Fuel capacity: 5,800 US gal (22,000 l; 4,800 imp gal) Main alternator Electro-Motive Diesel TA22-CA8A Maximum voltage: 2600 V DC Maximum current: 8100 A Traction motors 6 Siemens 1TB2830 AC motors mounted 3 each on 2 HTCR-2 Radial Self Steering trucks. Rated output: 638 kW (856 hp) Gearing: 83:16 Wheel size: 45 in (1,143 mm) Max revolutions: 3,435 rpm Starting torque: 16,300 N⋅m (12,000 lbf⋅ft) Continuous torque: 12,900 N⋅m (9,500 lbf⋅ft) Maximum voltage: 2,183 V Performance Maximum speed: 75 mph (121 km/h) Starting tractive effort: 185,000 lbf (820 kN) Continuous tractive effort: 147,000 lbf (650 kN) Braking effort: 96,000 lbf (430 kN)) Weight: 210 short tons (187.5 long tons; 190.5 t); 420,000 lb (190,500 kg))
Doesent matter if the brakes are still on, you can hear the air valves shutter when he powers down the last time, then it moves no problem, I think they forgot to send air to the cars releasing the brakes lol. Ive seen diesels kick the nose slightly up and to the right starting a hard pull it was really pretty cool looking seeing 390.000 pounds do that. go to 6:30 and listen to the air fill the cars a few seconds later
I had two of them at over 200,000 lb tractive effort on the the Fort Wayne Line, starting a fat train east out of Columbiana, Ohio. They would put the power down, when needed.
The engine from EMD was rated at 5000hp . . . It could be tweaked to 5500hp. These SD80's were the sh!t, only problem was they were fuel hogs which made them over time become odd balls. The newer V12 engines are able to produce the same starting tracktive effort with fewer Cylinders enabling the V12 to get better fuel mileage by quite a bit actually so the SD80's fate got written and they were purged almost over nite. I couldn't believe it thay were there one day gone the next. Big business at play right before our eyes . . . The EMD 2-stroke V engines are in my eyes still the best railroad engines ever derived on account of the longevity reliability just the whole thing. There's still SW1's GP7's GP9's still put'n in a full day's work all over the US. GE can't make that claim. What happened was the lobbyists were paid to get laws in place to get the 2-stroke sidelined using the EPA to do it. And now that everybody's went 4-stroke designed engines the 2-stroke as of today can be made tier 4 compliant . . . Go figure . . . The other laws implemented were the engines in locomotives had a Ten Year Service Life imposed on them the same time the Tier 4 laws were implemented . . . Politics just works for the ultra rich and not for the people that need the correct Politics . . . It's all big business
Actually, there is more truth to this. I've seen overloaded trains get stuck, the passengers get out and start pushing. It was the damnest thing I've ever seen and it actually works.
Judging by the Exhaust, that EMD wasn't even breaking a sweat. Ya cain't break a MAC's back; they just take up the slack, with a knack of a little whack and haul the train down the track. A GE would have taken a temper tantrum, thrown a piston and cylinder head out, landing, 2 streets over into someones garden.
Engineer says to conductor, are you sure you hooked the air lines up properly releasing the brakes? You can hear the air valves chatter when he powers down the last time before moving.
@@patrickmorris394 and? Did you not see the guy in orange on the other side of the railcar near the engine? He was probably checking airlines if the cars are coupled. Listen to the Air valves chatter right before he gets it moving. He was using a lot of power just to stop, then takes off moving much easier after you hear the air rush into the lines releasing the brakes.
Who was the celebrated brains-trust who decreed that a single loco would handle that load? I'd make him try pulling a 20' tandem caravan over the Rockies with a Honda City.
20 cylinders of power and she still had trouble pulling the train.....but she did eventually. Which makes me wonder did they add a helper engine to the rear of the train 🚂
excellent video thanks. I think I sat too close to the screen, I can smell the fumes coming from the engine. Poor thing sounded like it was going to have a heart attack.
Nice!, I remember seing my first train, it had 4 AC6000's on it, and they were struggling!, I mean the ground was shaking when they wen't past, this was on CSX climbing the hill out of Columbus, OH.
Mitchell DeVillers Im about to learn everything I can about these bad boys. those generators must be colossal to need a 5000hp engine . I can only imagine the torque
Donaven Moon the torque the traction Motors produce is incredible. Although it's not measured by torque, rather tractive effort. Regardless, these beasts were designed with one thing in mind. Pulling power
ToledoRails: If you look closely at the rear wheel set on the engine, it appeared like some of the wheels were not turning freely as if the brakes were not releasing properly, i could be wrong but that's what it looked like to me, good vid though, loved to hear the engine roar.
The SD80MAC was the best diesel locomotive built, it out preformed the SD90MAC. Which was plagued with electrical problems, I love the SD80MAC, awesome video. 👍👍👍
The SD90's biggest problem was grenading the engine block... They discovered there's a practical limit to the horsepower one can apply to a rolling power plant! But the 80's were serious beasts.
The SD80MAC was great. A Conrail exclusive. Two of them would start almost any train. I got to run them when they were new. Excellent, all the way around.
I honestly don't think he was struggling. I noticed all the grain cars were of NS origin. I think he was showing off. LOL GREAT sound! Disclaimer: I don't know much about the different engine manufacturers. I am still learning more as I go and research.
The issue is not power, but tractive effort. The SD80 has the necessary power but it doesn't have the grip on the rails to actually use that power to start the train. Probably something like an SD40+GP38 would have had less trouble -- still 5000hp but spread over ten axles rather than six, so better able to get the power to the rails without slipping. (Or, better still, a pair of SD40s, but that's not a fair comparison as it gives an extra 1000hp.)
@@beeble2003Would making them a bit heavier like an CW44AH/ES44AH for example maybe work better for that grip on the rail or would it basically be useless to do I’ve always wondered if they were necessarily “heavy enough” but then again I’m pretty sure they were heavy enough
@@NorthernRailroad24 They both weigh about 215 tons. I'm not sure it's possible to get much heavier on a six-axle locomotive without damaging the track.
@@beeble2003 Right on makes sense it just popped in my head After watching and reading yours and others comments but I definitely forgot about damage to the track etc as well thanks for the answer!
Not beating on it, they are designed for this kind of thing. One of the Main reasons they switch from DC to AC when building the MAC's was to limit burned out traction motors when doing this very thing. Calling in another unit would take time, and time is money.
Because NS power desk tells us engineers that 1 engine is all we need and all we can have. The idiots read how much power the engine made BRAND NEW and they can't understand how it doesn't make that much power after 10 or 15 years!
@@t.t.6398 I run into the same thing out at work. Management just doesn't comprehend that what the math says is not the way things work in the real world.
@@t.t.6398 Wait wait... wait......... So... you're telling me that a 15 year old locomotive, likely having not been rebuilt. Doesn't produce the exact same amount of tractive effort that a brand spanking new one does!? lol kidding aside I know the struggles of management trying to do "more with less" and not realizing the reality of wear and tear.
That's an EMD. They can handle any load. They may just need a moment. Her 5000hp AC traction handled it. I bet she'll do even better when she is converted to an SD80ACu that will produce 5500hp.
They were all built for Conrail. Historically, EMD hasn't had very good results with its 20 cylinder prime movers reliability-wise. The railroads prefer units in the 4000-4500 hp range, even if it means using more engines, because they'd rather lose 1/3rd of 12,000 hp than lose half of 10,000 hp if a unit goes down.
NS never used the SD80MAC's properly. That is a bit of a slag out of Sumner. NS thought that you could shove a 150000+ ton train with one unit uphill. They always under-powered their trains and used the SD80MAC's in helper service, for the most part. I'm glad that I retired from that backwards railroad.
Pedal to the metal, sand under her, eight in her. Moments like this test an Engineer, wears his energy and makes the throttle wrist sore. He finally won on this move, but that is not always the outcome. Crew could put hand brakes on head 5 cars, cut the engine off and sand the rail for a good distance, re couple, and see if that helps.
These guys are frying bacon with the head car for sure!! Didn’t notice that. Lazy conductor, “Think we can spot this with the brakes on those cars? I don’t wanna re spike em down again!” Lol
This proves that horsepower alone can not move a train. They need that traction effort on the rails. It was good to see the only units bought by former Conrail still hard at work.
unless this is a unit grain train 80 plus cars this is a walk in the park for a single sd80mac. This hill is nothing these engines pull unit coal drags up steeper incline than this and at a complete stand still
Mike Utech it seemed unlikely an 80MAC would be put through this much trouble, sadly I didn't get a count on how many cars were strung up. It was about 3 full tracks (of at least 30 a piece) worth and another rake of 15 or so. I wasn't expecting this, it went on for a couple hours before I left.
I believe its tractive effort to start is 200,000lbs and continuous is something like 135,000. Its pretty equivalent to a big boy with slightly less horsepower. If it had over 100 cars I wouldn't be surprised.
I would have to say something with the brakes in preventing it from moving. Look closely at the axles of the covered hoppers. They are jerking, hanging up and sliding.
Just remember the old RR axiom. A steam locomotive can start a train it can not pull, whereas a diesel locomotive can pull a train it can not start. This of course has to do with tractive effort, weight on the driving wheels, and physics, but that old axiom is a good way to remember it.
diesels still have 100% torque at a standstill because it's an electric axle, but steam engines made soooo much extra! I think we should still have em around more than they are!
Sure it's not just the opposite? Steamers always had trouble starting heavy train, cuz they're geared like a ten speed bike in 10th gear. Horsepower at speed is a steamer. Diesel - electric have low end pulling power, but not as much top end pulling power! IMHO.
Sound *Jet Engine* ! Why was the loco pulling hard for a slight incline ?? Just with this aircraft takeoff sound, couldn't it have taken off like an aircraft with real takeoff effect on the upward incline LOL 😆 ??
SD45 Sounds Lame. I thought that you would love this JET ENGINE like humming of this EMD 20N-710G3B-EC in this video.. Anyways I love this sound. Jet Engine means it sounds exactly like the CFM56-7B as used in Boeing B737-400
Freaking amazing!!! Awesome to hear that beautiful EMD music and with no horns screwing the show!!!!!!!
Yes. This is a beautiful "JET ENGINE". This can be heard worlwide, including our country India 🇮🇳...
It sounds like a CFM56-7B Engine !!
Estoy de acuerdo la mayoría de las veces las bocinas no nos dejan escuchar la música de los EMD👍.
I'm a retired engineer with 36 years. Been there, done this, many, many times. That's why we get the big bucks.
gordon vincent What was your salary as an engineer if you don’t mind me asking?
@@butwere3-0wou Thank you for your kind reply, sorry it took so long fo me to respond. We freigh415.51t engineers got paid 2 ways. First, the total weight of the locomotive consist, then the mileage. 100 miles was the same as 8 hours. S. Kearny, NJ to Enola, PA was 194 miles, so I had 94 over miles. If I had 2 E44's at 390,000 lbs each , that's 780,000 lbs. total, then look at the chart and see what my rate would be and get out the little pocket computer and figure out my pay. When I worked Denver to Pueblo, I was making about $40,000.00 per year 1978-1981. I worked on the Mormon Turn (Fresno, CA to Stockton, CA 1982-1986 and was making about $44K a year on a 126 mile district local freight, working 6 days a week. I went to AMT at the start-up of zone 12. We were paid on an hourly rate of $15.51 per hour, no weight on drivers or mileage. For passenger work, that made perfect sense to me. When I retired Jan. 4, 2011, I was at $36.34 per hour, I think!?! After 36 years of engine service, they deducted over 1.9 million dollars from my checks!
@mark robertson Pussy don't pay bills.
Just provide me with something good to eat & I'd be happy to do this for free 😝
@@toddr.4630 Careful what you wish for my friend!
Why is it I watch this and I can hear in my mind the voice of scotty, "I'm givin' er all she's got!"
"If I push her too hard she'll blow!!!"
lol
I was hearing in my mind "I think I can, I think I can..."
I love the smell of flaming traction motors in the morning. Smells like victory!
I honestly thought the guy that walked behind them was gonna ask "Would it help if I pushed?"
EPIC!
The amount of torque those electric motors can produce is amazing.
Then you think about how steam locos had way more torque.
Oh hell, it's the damn parking brake.
All I have got to say is that the EMD MAC cab is one of the best looking Cab designs for a locomotive. And I would love for their to be a Cowl unit MAC locomotive.
I love it at about 4:30 he gets the bell ringing, as if that'll tell the train it's really time to get going lol
Not gonna lie... That beast roaring gave this old gear head chills... 😉😉😉
Darn shame to see such an underpowered train! There to cheap to throw in a second unit.
according to the specs the rpm range was 200 rpm up to 904 rpm. Remember the prime role of the diesel is to drive the electrical generators.
The technical details of this locomotive model are as follows:[3]
Prime mover
Electro-Motive Diesel V-20 710G3B-ES
Displacement: 14,200 cubic inches (233 L)
Idle: 200 rpm
Full speed: 904 rpm
Lube oil capacity: 510 US gal (1,900 l; 420 imp gal)
Cooling water capacity: 342 US gal (1,290 l; 285 imp gal)
Fuel capacity: 5,800 US gal (22,000 l; 4,800 imp gal)
Main alternator
Electro-Motive Diesel TA22-CA8A
Maximum voltage: 2600 V DC
Maximum current: 8100 A
Traction motors
6 Siemens 1TB2830 AC motors mounted 3 each on 2 HTCR-2 Radial Self Steering trucks.
Rated output: 638 kW (856 hp)
Gearing: 83:16
Wheel size: 45 in (1,143 mm)
Max revolutions: 3,435 rpm
Starting torque: 16,300 N⋅m (12,000 lbf⋅ft)
Continuous torque: 12,900 N⋅m (9,500 lbf⋅ft)
Maximum voltage: 2,183 V
Performance
Maximum speed: 75 mph (121 km/h)
Starting tractive effort: 185,000 lbf (820 kN)
Continuous tractive effort: 147,000 lbf (650 kN)
Braking effort: 96,000 lbf (430 kN))
Weight: 210 short tons (187.5 long tons; 190.5 t); 420,000 lb (190,500 kg))
Doesent matter if the brakes are still on, you can hear the air valves shutter when he powers down the last time, then it moves no problem, I think they forgot to send air to the cars releasing the brakes lol. Ive seen diesels kick the nose slightly up and to the right starting a hard pull it was really pretty cool looking seeing 390.000 pounds do that. go to 6:30 and listen to the air fill the cars a few seconds later
@@jerrylawrencedrums8224 yep what you said
Well done my friend!!
I had two of them at over 200,000 lb tractive effort on the the Fort Wayne Line, starting a fat train east out of Columbiana, Ohio. They would put the power down, when needed.
The engine from EMD was rated at 5000hp . . . It could be tweaked to 5500hp. These SD80's were the sh!t, only problem was they were fuel hogs which made them over time become odd balls. The newer V12 engines are able to produce the same starting tracktive effort with fewer Cylinders enabling the V12 to get better fuel mileage by quite a bit actually so the SD80's fate got written and they were purged almost over nite. I couldn't believe it thay were there one day gone the next. Big business at play right before our eyes . . . The EMD 2-stroke V engines are in my eyes still the best railroad engines ever derived on account of the longevity reliability just the whole thing. There's still SW1's GP7's GP9's still put'n in a full day's work all over the US. GE can't make that claim. What happened was the lobbyists were paid to get laws in place to get the 2-stroke sidelined using the EPA to do it. And now that everybody's went 4-stroke designed engines the 2-stroke as of today can be made tier 4 compliant . . . Go figure . . . The other laws implemented were the engines in locomotives had a Ten Year Service Life imposed on them the same time the Tier 4 laws were implemented . . . Politics just works for the ultra rich and not for the people that need the correct Politics . . . It's all big business
EMD 710.....foreverrrr.. Great to listen to with good headphones on; hear the beat of the EMD drumming.
Nice catch. Hear that roar. Awesome.
EMD RULES!!
That's what I'm saying I'd gladly take a EMD any day
NONE RULES IF THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TRACTIVE EFFORT TO PULL THE WEIGHT
woooo !!! nothing but raw turbo charged diesel HORSE POWER !!!!!!!!!!
In India, they just have everybody get off and push.
there are probably only 4 person in the train...
@@gaelfortier2668 Yeah. That was part of the joke.
Lol Shit
Lmao.....😂😂
Actually, there is more truth to this. I've seen overloaded trains get stuck, the passengers get out and start pushing. It was the damnest thing I've ever seen and it actually works.
Where's a Y6-B when ya need one?
Reminds me of Thomas and the problems he had with those ornery freight cars!
That beastie has the same horsepower and more tractive effort than a Y6B.
Judging by the Exhaust, that EMD wasn't even breaking a sweat. Ya cain't break a MAC's back; they just take up the slack, with a knack of a little whack and haul the train down the track.
A GE would have taken a temper tantrum, thrown a piston and cylinder head out, landing, 2 streets over into someones garden.
That was amazing.
What a comment this made my day
LOL ! 5-6 glasses of beer, filled in a GE !!
...
GE Piston through roof...here you go. www.bangshift.com/forum/forum/bangshift/general-discussion/34888-dieseltrain-piston-through-a-roof
Power Desk to Engineer: "The computer says you have enough locomotive to move those cars."
No move if you have no GRIPPING friction OF THE WHEELS ON THE RAIL.
Engineer says to conductor, are you sure you hooked the air lines up properly releasing the brakes? You can hear the air valves chatter when he powers down the last time before moving.
@@jerrylawrencedrums8224 the train was going up a one way
@@patrickmorris394 and? Did you not see the guy in orange on the other side of the railcar near the engine? He was probably checking airlines if the cars are coupled.
Listen to the Air valves chatter right before he gets it moving. He was using a lot of power just to stop, then takes off moving much easier after you hear the air rush into the lines releasing the brakes.
He should've just followed the "One Way" sign. Wouldn't have had to struggle to move the cars then. :-)
Technically... He is! lol facing the same way as the sign haha
Now that's a REAL hybrid! 💪👊
The little engine that could I think I can I think I can
Big 6 axle EMD power .Love it.
But, partial to a good old 4 axle Geep 9 grinding up hill too. Beautiful music!!
Who was the celebrated brains-trust who decreed that a single loco would handle that load? I'd make him try pulling a 20' tandem caravan over the Rockies with a Honda City.
love the sound of that raw horse power
What a superb sounding engine.
sounds just like my washing machine at 1200 spin speed double hot wash LOL
Shoutout to my washer enthusiasts out there
Yep me too - every time I do laundry that's exactly what I think it sounds like a nice EMD.
Yes. Even my old washing machine sounded like this one ! Why older versions of washing machine sounded like Jet Engines ??
@@srivenkatvidyasubramanian6348 Bcoz it also has got some Electric-powered Turbo machines inside, though it is not Petroleum Gas-powered.
20 cylinders of power, what a sound. Sounds great on my 7 channel home theater.
16cylinders
@@Johnny64ism SD80MACs have 20 cylinders
20 cylinders of power and she still had trouble pulling the train.....but she did eventually. Which makes me wonder did they add a helper engine to the rear of the train 🚂
I love the locomotives and the awesome way they power frieght cars. Beautiful engineering!
Great video, too bad NS did not leave a few of them in the Conrail scheme
some one go knock off all those handbrakes
That was what I first thought too! Did you see those Trinity 5161 cu ft covered hoppers? The cars wheels were slipping too!
I love those Trinity 5161 covered hoppers. I'm glad I have 3 of the NS cars in 2 rail O scale.
excellent video thanks. I think I sat too close to the screen, I can smell the fumes coming from the engine. Poor thing sounded like it was going to have a heart attack.
May be ur screen was burning man
HELL YEAH LISTEN TO THAT BEAST!
Mitchell DeVillers I'm in Pittsburgh for the summer I can hear these bad boys going up a grade behind my aunts house sounds so cool.
Nice!, I remember seing my first train, it had 4 AC6000's on it, and they were struggling!, I mean the ground was shaking when they wen't past, this was on CSX climbing the hill out of Columbus, OH.
Mitchell DeVillers Im about to learn everything I can about these bad boys. those generators must be colossal to need a 5000hp engine . I can only imagine the torque
Donaven Moon Can you imagine what it would be like to here the sound of an SD90MAC-H if they were a success.
Donaven Moon the torque the traction Motors produce is incredible. Although it's not measured by torque, rather tractive effort. Regardless, these beasts were designed with one thing in mind. Pulling power
Someone goofed the floof on the train tonnage I suspect... Just think how shiny those rails will be,
No slipping, so no gouging of rails.
This is why this will always be my favorite locomotive
It sounds exactly like a 16N-710G3C-U2, used in SD70M-II, but with 4 more cyls.
ToledoRails: If you look closely at the rear wheel set on the engine, it appeared like some of the wheels were not turning freely as if the brakes were not releasing properly, i could be wrong but that's what it looked like to me, good vid though, loved to hear the engine roar.
Look carefully, you'll see the wheels are slipping ever so slightly. It's by design.
Traction control does that ..
The SD80MAC was the best diesel locomotive built, it out preformed the SD90MAC. Which was plagued with electrical problems, I love the SD80MAC, awesome video. 👍👍👍
It is a beast! I love the good old SD40-2's but man the SD80 is a monster by comparison.
The SD90's biggest problem was grenading the engine block... They discovered there's a practical limit to the horsepower one can apply to a rolling power plant!
But the 80's were serious beasts.
The SD80MAC was great. A Conrail exclusive. Two of them would start almost any train. I got to run them when they were new. Excellent, all the way around.
I honestly don't think he was struggling. I noticed all the grain cars were of NS origin. I think he was showing off. LOL GREAT sound! Disclaimer: I don't know much about the different engine manufacturers. I am still learning more as I go and research.
A single SD80mac although powerful in its own right, clearly at least two are needed here to pull this train upgrade.
The issue is not power, but tractive effort. The SD80 has the necessary power but it doesn't have the grip on the rails to actually use that power to start the train. Probably something like an SD40+GP38 would have had less trouble -- still 5000hp but spread over ten axles rather than six, so better able to get the power to the rails without slipping. (Or, better still, a pair of SD40s, but that's not a fair comparison as it gives an extra 1000hp.)
American Power
@@beeble2003Would making them a bit heavier like an CW44AH/ES44AH for example maybe work better for that grip on the rail or would it basically be useless to do I’ve always wondered if they were necessarily “heavy enough” but then again I’m pretty sure they were heavy enough
@@NorthernRailroad24 They both weigh about 215 tons. I'm not sure it's possible to get much heavier on a six-axle locomotive without damaging the track.
@@beeble2003 Right on makes sense it just popped in my head After watching and reading yours and others comments but I definitely forgot about damage to the track etc as well thanks for the answer!
Fuck that sound is beautiful...Raw diesel power from the primary mover.
Instead of beating the crap out of one engine moving the load why not double head with another unit?
Not beating on it, they are designed for this kind of thing. One of the Main reasons they switch from DC to AC when building the MAC's was to limit burned out traction motors when doing this very thing. Calling in another unit would take time, and time is money.
Uneconomical lol!!!
Because NS power desk tells us engineers that 1 engine is all we need and all we can have. The idiots read how much power the engine made BRAND NEW and they can't understand how it doesn't make that much power after 10 or 15 years!
@@t.t.6398 I run into the same thing out at work. Management just doesn't comprehend that what the math says is not the way things work in the real world.
@@t.t.6398 Wait wait... wait......... So... you're telling me that a 15 year old locomotive, likely having not been rebuilt. Doesn't produce the exact same amount of tractive effort that a brand spanking new one does!?
lol kidding aside I know the struggles of management trying to do "more with less" and not realizing the reality of wear and tear.
Amazing video! Loved listening to the notch ups!
Need some more NS stallions.
Yeah. At least one more Superdave sure wouldn't have hurt.
Had you zoomed in a bit, you'd of WON an Academy Award here ! Great Clip !!
Well there it is folks! The only engine NS has left from it's formerly massive roster!
This comment wins lmao
Hahaha! "Gittin' er done with the very last one"
wow those traction motors got hot, those fans were on full on the last shot.
I love the sound of a Notch 8 EMD
those brakes were on the cars. you can see the wheel "grabbing" as it trys to roll
Wasn’t struggling, it’s moving slowly to maintain traction without slipping
I ran a few 80"s on the B&A... love them.
awesome i saw SD80MAC 7217 few days ago leading a freight train
Rails of Highland Valley Brought Me Here
SD80Mac: "I can't do it, those trucks are too heavy!"
Engineer: "You're not even trying"
And this is why no train from America ever visited Sodor. They would show off too much!
Fantastic video! Thank you for this
That's an EMD. They can handle any load. They may just need a moment. Her 5000hp AC traction handled it. I bet she'll do even better when she is converted to an SD80ACu that will produce 5500hp.
Such a struggle even with 5000 horses and AC traction,damn.
Cause they were SOLO with possibly. 6K feet of train and 5-7K tons. Gives it away as to why this SD80MAC was struggling!
Is AC stronger than DC
@@srivenkatvidyasubramanian6348 not at all dc traction motors are more powerful at starting push
@@mohankrishna1443 Then, DG4 and DP4 should be converted from GT46MAC/PAC to GT46MDC/PDC...
Dude ! This 20-710 *"JET ENGINE"* power is not able to do because of AC traction. If it was a DC, it could have done a great job...
Gawd, that sounds sweet, though! Can also hear the brakes pressuring up and down...
Sounds Sweet, but got damn Dennis... Call in for some reinforcement to take up the rear!
That turbo is screaming! Love it....
Well, The were trying to go the wrong way. Read the sign!!
Need a Helper??😎
what finaly make the difference?
So what did he do differently the last time?
The best SD80 video I've ever seen!
What did you think EMD stands for? Eventually moves - Downhill!
Electro Manly Division!
GE = Get Even :-)
If it has a tailwind, maybe.
I thought it meant Exclusive Modern Design. They all had GE dynamos and drive motors.
EMD is the best
The train has to just keep repeating, I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.
"Sand rains down and here I sit ...."
The little engine that couldn't.
I was waiting for the locomotives engine and electric motor to abandon ship in a fiery blaze XD
The breakers would cut out first.
Now that is music!
Hmmm... one way track ? Did not know SD80 was able to read that.... :-P
thinking maybe the air brakes had not fully released on that cut of hoppers
Seems like there weren't many SD80's built. Norfolk Southern had some. Wonder why more weren't produced? Five thousand horsepower is awesome.
They were all built for Conrail. Historically, EMD hasn't had very good results with its 20 cylinder prime movers reliability-wise. The railroads prefer units in the 4000-4500 hp range, even if it means using more engines, because they'd rather lose 1/3rd of 12,000 hp than lose half of 10,000 hp if a unit goes down.
@@FS2K4PilotCP rail and the CNW were going to buy the sd80macs but they didn't
"SD80MAC" and Struggles: don't go in the same sentence together. She's giving an encouraging nudge.
SD80mac was making a JACKASS sound!💯
Well, Zeke, are ya going frontways or backward?? OR just checking out the tachometer?
NS never used the SD80MAC's properly. That is a bit of a slag out of Sumner. NS thought that you could shove a 150000+ ton train with one unit uphill. They always under-powered their trains and used the SD80MAC's in helper service, for the most part. I'm glad that I retired from that backwards railroad.
Pedal to the metal, sand under her, eight in her. Moments like this test an Engineer, wears his energy and makes the throttle wrist sore. He finally won on this move, but that is not always the outcome. Crew could put hand brakes on head 5 cars, cut the engine off and sand the rail for a good distance, re couple, and see if that helps.
Wow. an SD80 doing switching work.
What prevented the engine from breaking traction, the engineer or some sort of traction control?
Try letting off the handbrake, and don't burn out the clutch!
I think you don't have enough power of one engine. He needs at least two more. If he had three he would be going already. Thank you.
AC ,you have to be careful you don't pull the couplers off.
this engine is strong they never gonna give up :D
It looked like the brakes may have been on.. One of the hoppers wheels was sliding.. Sticky brake?
It definitely was
These guys are frying bacon with the head car for sure!! Didn’t notice that. Lazy conductor, “Think we can spot this with the brakes on those cars? I don’t wanna re spike em down again!” Lol
correct, lazy brakeman would not climb up and knock off hand brakes
I hope that once they finally get going they can also stop this sucker. 😊😊😊
This proves that horsepower alone can not move a train. They need that traction effort on the rails. It was good to see the only units bought by former Conrail still hard at work.
A proper break test, and having some air compressor issues all good in about 20 min
My only comments are EMD's sound awesome from echoing ,across a river valley,,and they aren't called "Toasters" 🚂👍👍
unless this is a unit grain train 80 plus cars this is a walk in the park for a single sd80mac. This hill is nothing these engines pull unit coal drags up steeper incline than this and at a complete stand still
Mike Utech it seemed unlikely an 80MAC would be put through this much trouble, sadly I didn't get a count on how many cars were strung up. It was about 3 full tracks (of at least 30 a piece) worth and another rake of 15 or so. I wasn't expecting this, it went on for a couple hours before I left.
I believe its tractive effort to start is 200,000lbs and continuous is something like 135,000. Its pretty equivalent to a big boy with slightly less horsepower. If it had over 100 cars I wouldn't be surprised.
@@ToledoRails I live in India. The same Jet Engine sounds are heard in our country also. We also have EMD 710 Locomotives.
@@ToledoRails with hand brakes tied, nothing moves
Just listen to all that power, sounds like a jet engine.
Exactly. It sounds like TF33 and F103 mixed 2gether
I would have to say something with the brakes in preventing it from moving. Look closely at the axles of the covered hoppers. They are jerking, hanging up and sliding.
That is from the sand on the rails.
Must be an Athearn Genesis unit. ScaleTrains would've had no trouble with that train.
Sorry, wrong scale.😉
Just remember the old RR axiom. A steam locomotive can start a train it can not pull, whereas a diesel locomotive can pull a train it can not start.
This of course has to do with tractive effort, weight on the driving wheels, and physics, but that old axiom is a good way to remember it.
diesels still have 100% torque at a standstill because it's an electric axle, but steam engines made soooo much extra! I think we should still have em around more than they are!
Sure it's not just the opposite?
Steamers always had trouble starting heavy train, cuz they're geared like a ten speed bike in 10th gear. Horsepower at speed is a steamer.
Diesel - electric have low end pulling power, but not as much top end pulling power! IMHO.
@@harris9784I do believe you’re right.
Sound *Jet Engine* ! Why was the loco pulling hard for a slight incline ?? Just with this aircraft takeoff sound, couldn't it have taken off like an aircraft with real takeoff effect on the upward incline LOL 😆 ??
2 and a half per cent is not a slight incline
Heatin up those traction motors! Oh yeah.
That's the first time I've ever heard the SD80s V20 at full throttle. I'm a bit disappointed, I was hoping it would sound more like the old SD45. ☹️
45 is a v20-645. 80ac is a v20-710.
SD45 Sounds Lame. I thought that you would love this JET ENGINE like humming of this EMD 20N-710G3B-EC in this video.. Anyways I love this sound. Jet Engine means it sounds exactly like the CFM56-7B as used in Boeing B737-400
That damm clean durn, just needs a little smoke to come out of the stack.
***JET ENGINE*** !! Sounds like as if a 747 is going to full throttle, *but unable* to lift the loads and Take-Off LOL !
Does this become frustrating for the engineer or a bit of fun to get the girl running?
those traction motors would be getting very hot.