Which also ends up lowering scores for very popular units (firefly, acheron etc) since people are far more likely to have some Eidolons or Sig for these units.
Prydwen says that, but can we honestly look at their tier list with confidence and say that each unit is ranked accordingly if they where truly testing them at E0 no sig. Let's be honest here, I don't think prydwen even knows what criteria they are ranking characters by
@@kirito6170 Not even close, CN actually spends a lot in eidolons. Dhil was the best dps for a long time just because his e2 is op. Even NA is starting to see a lot of eidolons on the more popular hypercarries.
@@sct77 i understand what you wanna say ...but what i mean't is most of hsr players are f2p so most of them don't even have eidolons on limited characters so Prydwen in there case is accurate but CN is not for them imagine they put a character on T0 instead of T1 just because it's 6th eidolon is Op for example in that case F2p will be tricked am i wrong?
Same with JY yet JY's never at the top and usually never close (he was literally at the bottom a few PFs back). Also relics only go so far, it's most likely supports and eidolons on supports. You could maybe pull off some super low cost wind set 40ks but I doubt most people here are doing this.
@@27Ganon i think the difference is that when seele eats she feasts. Feast or famine units tend to be highly polarizing. If seele cant one shot she sucks if she can she literally gets free turns to do it again. JY cant feast in the same way as he always has to wait on his lighting lord. Maybe when we get summoner meta he can pop off
@@Imp3rdLord nah bruh ppl just need to accept the reality that mid unit like blade or jing yuan is gonna be at the bottom no matter how much new support you give to them. blade dmg multiplier is way too little it might as well not exist and jin yan dmg buildup is way to slow and way to little for the amount of work it require.
@@27Ganon Yeah but there's a reason why we don't see her perform at this level in NA data. Even in CN almost no one plays her, while Jing Yuan is erudition so more players will use him. The few players who use Seele are dedicated mains with tons of investment in her team and her low usage alone is already enough to completely dismiss her performance.
@@sct77 NA thinks 70/140 is good crit ratio while CN thinks 90/180 is good crit ratio My seele is on 90/160 144 speed which is totally copium build, still can full score pf so whatever
Ruan mei has an appearance rate of 85.5% which means even dumbos(respectfully) are using her even outside of firefly teams, they tryna bring her score down but she still has an average score of almost 36000+ both side, honetly thats pretty darn good if you ask me. Also can we talk about how blade is missing on both side average score? How come everyone forgot about his existence 😭
Yeah, I can put Ruan Mei in either side and she can make the team do full 40k score clears. It doesn't even have to be Superbreak team, since the omni break Ult buff in this PF is pretty silly with Ruan Mei's buff giving guarantee break for all mobs
@@TheAnaz41745 I used Himeko with RM, Aventurine and Tingyun and got 40k. RM is still broken outside of break teams, the disrespect on her name has gone too far.
a big issue with comparing this 2 is that CN's is fully data driven, while prydwen has subjectivity in it (opinions if you will) the main difference is that data will always rank unoptimal at the very bottom (see QQ being 0.1%) while something like prydwen will acknowledge that the character is powercrept, but say "hey, is not strong, but is viable) something that data will always fail to see, because at the end of the day, people will flock to the better characters, is the luocha conundrum, just because fu xuan and hue hue are doing better than him doesn't mean that the gap between all of them is T0 to T3 or 4, as data will show you that, becuase at this point if you own fu xuan or hue hue you will not use luocha save for very specific reasons. overall, prydwen is fine, as much as i don't agree with their choices a lot, it will help people that doesn't have say, firefly after her re run, but can look at himeko and say "hey, i can use her instead of firefly for PF", can look at xueyi and say "hey, i can use this one in MoC or AS if they have quantum weakness". it goes back to the whole "the game is powercreeping to hard" scenario, no it isn't powercreeping hard, we are just seeing the units with rose tinted glasses on release due to the buffs, then once they are not buffed we crap on them for the now buffed new character, it has happened consistently without fail so far, like for example, jingliu is very much "powercrept" according to people, the feixiao MOC has ice weakness, i used jingliu to 3 cycle that half...powercreep my ass, im using e0 and aeon LC on her, you DO NOT need to 0 cycle, even if my relics were unrelatable (which they aren't she is a base speed, under 3k atk, 50 crit, 200 critdmg), by this point, aka, like 8 patches since her release you should have a rather good set of relics for her which will make her keep up with the content for quite some time, she just isn't able to brute force like before, gotta mind elements and mob's mechanics now
Powercreep =/= can complete content. You can sometimes brute force with old units if the buffs are good for them and what not. That doesn't mean that DIHL, JL, JY and Seele aren't significantly worse than the meta options at similar investment, even Kafka and BS were powercrept hard and that was a relatively recent meta team. When Acheron, FF and Fexiao can brute force content even without weak element, you can't really say there's no hard powercreep, some character didn't even lasted months in the top meta. Although there has been characters that have had reverse-powercrep, like Himeko and Herta, these characters are usually only good in one mode, as opposed to meta options that usually pretty good on 2 and alright on the other. In short, if you have to bet if a unit will be powercrept in HSR, more often than not, they will be, if we use the trends and patterns
@@Toonlink003 while true, thats not my point, the point is extrapolating a tier 1.5 - 2 to a 0.1% usage rate it showcases that both ways to rank characters are flawed. does powercreep exists? yes, is it hard powercreep? hell no. ofc acheron, FF and feixiao are ahead of 1.x DPS, but being hard powercrept would literally mean that there is no point/reason to use the old characters. people are conditioned to flock to the best common denominator and call everything else useless, thats where opinionated point of view comes into play, you will not know who is tier 1 or 2 or even 3 if you use data driven results, because they will only tell you "acheron is WAY better than jing yuan and arlan" but it will not tell you the difference between jing yuan and arlan, they both may be in 1% usage, but that doesn't mean both are in the same window of power. someone that didn't or couldn't get acheron can just use jing yuan and clear end game without too much issues, people have not seen HARD powercreep ever in this game, the moment a character is deemed the only way to confortably clear content, is when you see true hard powercreep, right now, we are seeing a very natural powercreep, new character better than the ones released 6+ months ago, characters from 6+ months ago can still clear, if we had true powercreep, jing yuan would be a joke of a character this days TL;DR this is why prydwen tier list exists, to rank characters with low usage where they are in the meta. just because acheron, FF and feixiao exist, doesn't make the DPS that came before useless but rogue options if you will (i have card game background, ik what true hard powercreep is) side note, i think tier list cannot be unit focused, but rather team focused, just like decks in card games, you rank them as a full unit, rather than ranking each card, that way we could finally make dumb people using 3 DPS and a healer play properly instead of watching a tierlist, get the 3 best DPS they see and call it a day
Good explanation but I find it funny how you used Fu Xuan as your example for the 'better sustains' even though we have Aventurine and Lingsha xD... And Fu Xuan is honestly kinda washed lol, she's getting the Luocha treatment right now Bro's living in HSR update 2.0 and prior Also tell my poor general Jingyuan who's clearing MOC in like 5+ cycles at E2 with his BiS team and sig while her colleague e0 Feixiao no sig is doing 1 cycle with 4 star teammates that he didn't get powercrept😂
@@BenBeckmane i used fu xuan and hue hue vs luocha as an example of how someone being less good doesn't mean they are fully useless or not effective, someone without one of those 2 back in 1.x/early 2.x can prob attest to that fact. as for your jing yuan, well, i have seen people with better jingliu's than mine do way worst than me, could be skill issue unironically, but i'd assume any 1.x character should be able to 3-4 cycle on a decent build, if they are well invested in they can prob 2-3 cycle
@@kimura2176 Powercreep exist and is bad. People don't need this tier list to notice how Seele and JY struggle content without eidolons on the team. Only Selee E0 team i saw did it barely on 4 turns wit ha full 5* team, i tried it myself past MoC with the same because i believe powercrept wasn't so bad but nope, i couldn't in the time i have to play this game so i just have to change my opinion based on those facts . could it be skill issue or a worse build? maybe, doesn't change the fact that is hard to do it. I'm welcomed to be proven wrong though, show me JY completing current MoC with E0S0 supports "with no issues" as you stated. As i see it now, newer characters are the only way to comfortably clear content.
Meanwhile people in the other comments are trying to discredit her saying that it's eidolons and what not... while everyone knows she has some of the worst eidolons.
I got over 34k points with Argenti team using e0s0 Huohuo, e0s0 Argenti, e0s0 Sparkle, and e6Tingyun on my first try. My Argenti is trash built too and is using Thief set with pretty bad stats. Maybe no one whaled on Argenti so all of them are weak? I think the one thing that gives me an edge is that I am using s4 DDD on both Tingyun and Sparkle.
@@LucasGomes-ng2go i assume you meant her E2? Her E1 is pretty nice actually (assuming you dont play her on auto), E2 is meh, it gets better as you stack def pen in the team but that's kinda wonky cuz for that you'd have to run suboptimal teams, Her E1S1 is a crazy powerspike compareable to E2S0 acheron tho (according to prydwen at least)
Something to keep in mind for this is pf is just how terrible the blessing is, a fully charged instance of it can't even kill a single Mara struck warden. In practice its maybe an additional 500k across the whole fight when the total hp is around 10 mil. But since the damage is distributed across 4 enemies, it's usually a marginal difference which would likely have been overkill anyways. Funny enough, a superbreak comp is getting way more out of the 10% break dmg vulnerability. Now what's really stupid is that there's a real argument about fua teams getting more shilled then break teams by the blessing as they get a 50% dmg buff which might be a more meaningful buff then what the blessing provides break teams. It comes down to how much the additional breaks result in meaningful damage. Instead of the blessing being the reason break teams are strong, it's the enemy lineup being majority fire and img weakness which shills super break.
People were out on Argenti when he first came out but I pulled him anyway, that's why I think his numbers are low but he does work good in PF for me... I can't say the same for everyone else but I understand people were out on him even before his release and even some of my friends they didn't pull him either so I'm in the minority when it comes to Argenti
@@ceizhore4498 Firefly can get 40k or at least the average score here without Lingsha as well but my current builds are not fast enough for that which I assume the CN community has absolutely cracked builds.
I managed to get 37.4k on the first attempt running E0S0 firefly, E0S0 himeko, E1S1 ruan mei and E6 HTB. I'm sure there's better ways of doing it, but she's very capable.
I often do the end game for my daughter. She has worse relics than I do, and I'm a rainbow enjoyer. I have used Kafka + Black Swan for every bit of end game for the past 3 months and they've always carried their weight sub 5 cycle in MoC, 3300+ AS, 30k+ scores in PF. Honestly, respectfully, genuinely: skill issue. edit: both e0s0 Welt LC on K and Eyes on BS
Its funny i got called out by the Argenti defense force for saying he wasn't impressive enough for tier 0 and what this is now...? Tier 2 units are out performing him Lol.... Regardless of Eid being considered or not mid is still mid.
The issue with Seele is that she requires really good relics and her SIG lc at the bare minimum to be viable. Prydwen ranks stuff based on mid relics and no SIG lc. Their rating is correct based on their criteria but falls apart to an actual Seele main with good investments
Argenti in the same tier as e0 dhil in pf? Yeah they just hate argenti or have ridiculous skill issue. If you arent full clearing pf with HH sparkle tingyun there is something EXTREMELY wrong. Im running argenti with sparkle tingyun E6 lynx for the attack buff and can full clear pf just fine, and my argenti is some garbage because i dont wanna farm the physical set.
I love Argenti but this is just a really bad PF for him due to no phys weakness and the affix that buffs him is probably the weakest of the three. I got 40k but had to triple support. I had 0 issues with him crushing the last few PFs, so it boggles my mind that they decided now to bump him up to T0 in his worst showing in awhile.
@oworandom thats still fair though, comparing anything above e0s1 is stupid, it doesn't matter if one unit does 300% more damage than the other if both can zero cycle on auto
@@oworandom "If a team used a limited 5* E1+ character, it was excluded from the average cycles calculation" Sigs are counted in the data (you can ask in their discord if you want confirmation yourself), only limited eidolons are excluded. Their tierlists however are based on e0s0 units, so ig ppl get confused.
If u follow CN meta, ur account wont ever face any issue even if u r f2p. Why?, cause we only go for the best & efficient all rounder unit , and skipping trap/trash banner
Nope, believe in yourself rather than follow cn meta. Your account will face equip issue, but not with unit issue. There's no trash/trap banner, new banner always become meta. So its depend on your equip and your skill.
You know? I have all sustain from luocha to lingsha. But still use fu xuan and luocha rather than aventurine or lingsha. Because when in moc/pf , luocha and fu xuan can full star moc in auto mode. While aventurine and lingsha cant auto play, only in manual mode. Why try hard in manual mode, while you can clear it in auto mode with full star. After that i stop read other people commentary about some unit / tierlist unit. Only gacha what i want and what i need. Its better than read tierlist, since new unit always become meta, because its gacha game.
I dont think following CN who thinks having eidolons as the standard, is reliable 😆... If anything it just shows they're very dependant on eidolons when you can clear the whole endgame with only E0, including 0 cycle MoC.. The general consensus is, getting the OP harmony units with its signature, guarantees you wont face any issues for several months as they can make even a subpar dps to broken...
As always, a reminder that CN has no Eidolon + Signature limitation while Prydwen can only be E0 5 star + No paid Sig.
Ruan Mei still in S+ tier either way
Which also ends up lowering scores for very popular units (firefly, acheron etc) since people are far more likely to have some Eidolons or Sig for these units.
@@Tiasung this works for CN because they spend way more. Global has more F2Ps/low spenders.
Prydwen says that, but can we honestly look at their tier list with confidence and say that each unit is ranked accordingly if they where truly testing them at E0 no sig. Let's be honest here, I don't think prydwen even knows what criteria they are ranking characters by
Most of the spender come from CN, so that's why.
I love that Argenti is being talked about.
I still feel bad about VA, current is fine, but not glory enough
Reminder that CN data has no eidolon limit, while prydwen only counts e0 for limited units
Well almost everyone have only E0 limited characters so it's still accurate am i wrong?
@@kirito6170 Not even close, CN actually spends a lot in eidolons. Dhil was the best dps for a long time just because his e2 is op. Even NA is starting to see a lot of eidolons on the more popular hypercarries.
@@sct77 i understand what you wanna say ...but what i mean't is most of hsr players are f2p so most of them don't even have eidolons on limited characters so Prydwen in there case is accurate but CN is not for them imagine they put a character on T0 instead of T1 just because it's 6th eidolon is Op for example in that case F2p will be tricked am i wrong?
@@kirito6170 When you said it's still accurate I thought you were talking about CN data lol.
@@sct77 😭it's ok
Herta+himeko are my pure fiction goats🤣can never go wrong
kinda scuff this rotation. can only get 30k full auto
@@unholyarthur1 nah i got 40k on full auto with them
@@unholyarthur1just dont hse them together this pf, thats what i did and it was super easy
The people running seele are the super simps who have her maxed to the gills if they can one shot every thing.
Same with JY yet JY's never at the top and usually never close (he was literally at the bottom a few PFs back).
Also relics only go so far, it's most likely supports and eidolons on supports. You could maybe pull off some super low cost wind set 40ks but I doubt most people here are doing this.
@@27Ganon i think the difference is that when seele eats she feasts. Feast or famine units tend to be highly polarizing. If seele cant one shot she sucks if she can she literally gets free turns to do it again.
JY cant feast in the same way as he always has to wait on his lighting lord. Maybe when we get summoner meta he can pop off
@@Imp3rdLord nah bruh ppl just need to accept the reality that mid unit like blade or jing yuan is gonna be at the bottom no matter how much new support you give to them.
blade dmg multiplier is way too little it might as well not exist and jin yan dmg buildup is way to slow and way to little for the amount of work it require.
@@27Ganon Yeah but there's a reason why we don't see her perform at this level in NA data. Even in CN almost no one plays her, while Jing Yuan is erudition so more players will use him.
The few players who use Seele are dedicated mains with tons of investment in her team and her low usage alone is already enough to completely dismiss her performance.
@@sct77 NA thinks 70/140 is good crit ratio while CN thinks 90/180 is good crit ratio
My seele is on 90/160 144 speed which is totally copium build, still can full score pf so whatever
Ruan mei has an appearance rate of 85.5% which means even dumbos(respectfully) are using her even outside of firefly teams, they tryna bring her score down but she still has an average score of almost 36000+ both side, honetly thats pretty darn good if you ask me. Also can we talk about how blade is missing on both side average score? How come everyone forgot about his existence 😭
Yeah, I can put Ruan Mei in either side and she can make the team do full 40k score clears. It doesn't even have to be Superbreak team, since the omni break Ult buff in this PF is pretty silly with Ruan Mei's buff giving guarantee break for all mobs
@@TheAnaz41745 I used Himeko with RM, Aventurine and Tingyun and got 40k. RM is still broken outside of break teams, the disrespect on her name has gone too far.
Blade is just that weak rn
a big issue with comparing this 2 is that CN's is fully data driven, while prydwen has subjectivity in it (opinions if you will) the main difference is that data will always rank unoptimal at the very bottom (see QQ being 0.1%) while something like prydwen will acknowledge that the character is powercrept, but say "hey, is not strong, but is viable) something that data will always fail to see, because at the end of the day, people will flock to the better characters, is the luocha conundrum, just because fu xuan and hue hue are doing better than him doesn't mean that the gap between all of them is T0 to T3 or 4, as data will show you that, becuase at this point if you own fu xuan or hue hue you will not use luocha save for very specific reasons.
overall, prydwen is fine, as much as i don't agree with their choices a lot, it will help people that doesn't have say, firefly after her re run, but can look at himeko and say "hey, i can use her instead of firefly for PF", can look at xueyi and say "hey, i can use this one in MoC or AS if they have quantum weakness".
it goes back to the whole "the game is powercreeping to hard" scenario, no it isn't powercreeping hard, we are just seeing the units with rose tinted glasses on release due to the buffs, then once they are not buffed we crap on them for the now buffed new character, it has happened consistently without fail so far, like for example, jingliu is very much "powercrept" according to people, the feixiao MOC has ice weakness, i used jingliu to 3 cycle that half...powercreep my ass, im using e0 and aeon LC on her, you DO NOT need to 0 cycle, even if my relics were unrelatable (which they aren't she is a base speed, under 3k atk, 50 crit, 200 critdmg), by this point, aka, like 8 patches since her release you should have a rather good set of relics for her which will make her keep up with the content for quite some time, she just isn't able to brute force like before, gotta mind elements and mob's mechanics now
Powercreep =/= can complete content. You can sometimes brute force with old units if the buffs are good for them and what not.
That doesn't mean that DIHL, JL, JY and Seele aren't significantly worse than the meta options at similar investment, even Kafka and BS were powercrept hard and that was a relatively recent meta team.
When Acheron, FF and Fexiao can brute force content even without weak element, you can't really say there's no hard powercreep, some character didn't even lasted months in the top meta.
Although there has been characters that have had reverse-powercrep, like Himeko and Herta, these characters are usually only good in one mode, as opposed to meta options that usually pretty good on 2 and alright on the other.
In short, if you have to bet if a unit will be powercrept in HSR, more often than not, they will be, if we use the trends and patterns
@@Toonlink003 while true, thats not my point, the point is extrapolating a tier 1.5 - 2 to a 0.1% usage rate it showcases that both ways to rank characters are flawed.
does powercreep exists? yes, is it hard powercreep? hell no.
ofc acheron, FF and feixiao are ahead of 1.x DPS, but being hard powercrept would literally mean that there is no point/reason to use the old characters.
people are conditioned to flock to the best common denominator and call everything else useless, thats where opinionated point of view comes into play, you will not know who is tier 1 or 2 or even 3 if you use data driven results, because they will only tell you "acheron is WAY better than jing yuan and arlan" but it will not tell you the difference between jing yuan and arlan, they both may be in 1% usage, but that doesn't mean both are in the same window of power.
someone that didn't or couldn't get acheron can just use jing yuan and clear end game without too much issues, people have not seen HARD powercreep ever in this game, the moment a character is deemed the only way to confortably clear content, is when you see true hard powercreep, right now, we are seeing a very natural powercreep, new character better than the ones released 6+ months ago, characters from 6+ months ago can still clear, if we had true powercreep, jing yuan would be a joke of a character this days
TL;DR this is why prydwen tier list exists, to rank characters with low usage where they are in the meta. just because acheron, FF and feixiao exist, doesn't make the DPS that came before useless but rogue options if you will (i have card game background, ik what true hard powercreep is)
side note, i think tier list cannot be unit focused, but rather team focused, just like decks in card games, you rank them as a full unit, rather than ranking each card, that way we could finally make dumb people using 3 DPS and a healer play properly instead of watching a tierlist, get the 3 best DPS they see and call it a day
Good explanation but I find it funny how you used Fu Xuan as your example for the 'better sustains' even though we have Aventurine and Lingsha xD...
And Fu Xuan is honestly kinda washed lol, she's getting the Luocha treatment right now
Bro's living in HSR update 2.0 and prior
Also tell my poor general Jingyuan who's clearing MOC in like 5+ cycles at E2 with his BiS team and sig while her colleague e0 Feixiao no sig is doing 1 cycle with 4 star teammates that he didn't get powercrept😂
@@BenBeckmane i used fu xuan and hue hue vs luocha as an example of how someone being less good doesn't mean they are fully useless or not effective, someone without one of those 2 back in 1.x/early 2.x can prob attest to that fact.
as for your jing yuan, well, i have seen people with better jingliu's than mine do way worst than me, could be skill issue unironically, but i'd assume any 1.x character should be able to 3-4 cycle on a decent build, if they are well invested in they can prob 2-3 cycle
@@kimura2176 Powercreep exist and is bad. People don't need this tier list to notice how Seele and JY struggle content without eidolons on the team. Only Selee E0 team i saw did it barely on 4 turns wit ha full 5* team, i tried it myself past MoC with the same because i believe powercrept wasn't so bad but nope, i couldn't in the time i have to play this game so i just have to change my opinion based on those facts . could it be skill issue or a worse build? maybe, doesn't change the fact that is hard to do it.
I'm welcomed to be proven wrong though, show me JY completing current MoC with E0S0 supports "with no issues" as you stated.
As i see it now, newer characters are the only way to comfortably clear content.
lesson of the day: seele still can't retire
Breaking news: purple woman refuse to get powercrept
Lesson of the day: Invest in your supports
Motivation today : Hoyo should revamp and rework her kit (copium)
Meanwhile people in the other comments are trying to discredit her saying that it's eidolons and what not... while everyone knows she has some of the worst eidolons.
@@Audaciter2 I saw a 1 cost 40k this pure fiction with Seele you can hardly do that with Erudition units much less a 1.0 Hunt unit.
Selee is the definition of the carry/adc dps, required a lot of investment to able to snowball the game
Jingyuan and Seele mains don't mess around they actually know how to play the game.
I got over 34k points with Argenti team using e0s0 Huohuo, e0s0 Argenti, e0s0 Sparkle, and e6Tingyun on my first try. My Argenti is trash built too and is using Thief set with pretty bad stats.
Maybe no one whaled on Argenti so all of them are weak? I think the one thing that gives me an edge is that I am using s4 DDD on both Tingyun and Sparkle.
Thief set is legit hidden tech for Argenti - it's essentially his BIS in PF now
Bro RuanMei, you replace the R with W its WuanMei, 完美, perfection
SEAL PFP SPOTTED
The W unit of the game
WuanMei, the perfection
Always remember who the greatest hunt character is
Is that Yanking? Lol😂😂😂
boothill
Feixiao?
its the strongest dps, YANKING, trust
Erm, ectually, hunt is bad, my favourite UA-cam drama shitter with severe skill issue told me so 🤓☝️
Kinda cope from me but I'd argue that yunli can be held back by some ppl using her on auto, otherwise idk how tf is she so low
thats a good point, and there's also the fact thar her e1 and e4 are trash, so being compared to an e6 Acheron or e6 Firefly she looks like shit
@@LucasGomes-ng2go i assume you meant her E2? Her E1 is pretty nice actually (assuming you dont play her on auto), E2 is meh, it gets better as you stack def pen in the team but that's kinda wonky cuz for that you'd have to run suboptimal teams, Her E1S1 is a crazy powerspike compareable to E2S0 acheron tho (according to prydwen at least)
@@LucasGomes-ng2goyunli e1 is one of the best dps e1s in the game tho?
The ad placements are impeccable
Something to keep in mind for this is pf is just how terrible the blessing is, a fully charged instance of it can't even kill a single Mara struck warden.
In practice its maybe an additional 500k across the whole fight when the total hp is around 10 mil. But since the damage is distributed across 4 enemies, it's usually a marginal difference which would likely have been overkill anyways.
Funny enough, a superbreak comp is getting way more out of the 10% break dmg vulnerability.
Now what's really stupid is that there's a real argument about fua teams getting more shilled then break teams by the blessing as they get a 50% dmg buff which might be a more meaningful buff then what the blessing provides break teams. It comes down to how much the additional breaks result in meaningful damage.
Instead of the blessing being the reason break teams are strong, it's the enemy lineup being majority fire and img weakness which shills super break.
People were out on Argenti when he first came out but I pulled him anyway, that's why I think his numbers are low but he does work good in PF for me... I can't say the same for everyone else but I understand people were out on him even before his release and even some of my friends they didn't pull him either so I'm in the minority when it comes to Argenti
Same, I don't know why people hate Argenti that much, I also use mine in MoC because he does like 400k on a full charged ult.
I've used him in every game mode at some point. This is one of the worst PF for him, but he can still 30k+ I dunno what people are on about.
@@spankymcmillan as do I like I said people were out on him even before his release so idk either bro but I'm not complaining lol
This has to be rigged. Firefly can’t even kill 3 mobs in PF unless they have fire weakness. No way there firefly’s aren’t E2
I got 40k with E0S0 Firefly, E0S0 Ruan Mei Mei, Harmony MC and E0S0 Lingsha its very possible especially for CN that probably have better builds.
@@kennethyoung7457 i can definitely see firefly clearing with Lingsha but these are stats without Lingsha I think
@@ceizhore4498 Firefly can get 40k or at least the average score here without Lingsha as well but my current builds are not fast enough for that which I assume the CN community has absolutely cracked builds.
@@ceizhore4498 FF Can easily Get above 30k+ points in PF if you Put ER rope and DDD on HMC to spam the ULT
I managed to get 37.4k on the first attempt running E0S0 firefly, E0S0 himeko, E1S1 ruan mei and E6 HTB.
I'm sure there's better ways of doing it, but she's very capable.
jingliu ain't even in the list 😭😭😭😭
Something about the CN clear with Seele just screams "Motivation"
CN people flexing their e2 FF to us 😩
Superbreak with Lingsha is going to dominate PF now
where can I see the cn statistics?
Don't know the website but I know that it requires a chinese phone number
@@orion615it doesn't require a Chinese phone number. Only need a WeChat account
its giga skill issue, argenti e0 s0 can deal 40k with only ruan mei, no more limited units
I often do the end game for my daughter. She has worse relics than I do, and I'm a rainbow enjoyer. I have used Kafka + Black Swan for every bit of end game for the past 3 months and they've always carried their weight sub 5 cycle in MoC, 3300+ AS, 30k+ scores in PF. Honestly, respectfully, genuinely: skill issue.
edit: both e0s0 Welt LC on K and Eyes on BS
ruan mei haters in a nutshell😂
I hate her character but her kit is insanely good as i accidentally got her to e2😂😂😂
Accidentally fr... I won every 50/50 on her first banner wtf😂😂😂
CN clear
Somehow CN always somehow manage to make Jingyuan look insane
Can I wish to see you 0-Cycle PF instead of MoC only?
Damn, I was hoping to see some serval.
Based Seele and Jingyuan mains
Its funny i got called out by the Argenti defense force for saying he wasn't impressive enough for tier 0 and what this is now...? Tier 2 units are out performing him Lol....
Regardless of Eid being considered or not mid is still mid.
"Hello its MrPokke here🗿🗿"
why my superbreak team score so low
What is the name of the website for the CN tier list? Also I personally think we should just move up Seele several tiers xD
Seele pretty sucks rn if you don't use peak support😂😂😂
@@amarilistheodore9156what would you say her best team is? Mine is lowkey built kinda cracked but I haven’t used her in ages
The issue with Seele is that she requires really good relics and her SIG lc at the bare minimum to be viable. Prydwen ranks stuff based on mid relics and no SIG lc. Their rating is correct based on their criteria but falls apart to an actual Seele main with good investments
@@amarilistheodore9156 so like literally every dps character? 🤣
When will CN Lingsha data be available?
I,m proud to being Seele user😂
I am glad I held off on dot coin, while investing in super break coin.
Dot is just being neglected while super break is getting new units non stop for a while now. Dot time to shine has yet to come
you didnt ‘invest’ in superbreak.
all of them were completely meta on release.
@@stego- exactly the only unit thats for investment purposes is kafka and topaz
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DUALITY OF MEN
based E6 Seele enjoyers
I'm definitely looking forward for the next Seele rerun
Meanwhile , i use argenti and its in auto mode , still full star pf 😂
E0 argenti with signature lightcone.
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This is E6 based ranking 😂😂😂
I needed this clarification
BRO CANNOT CLEAR BOWLING 1
TECTONE CLEARS BOWLING 12
Love argenti❤
tier 0 Argenti btw 😭
One site is f2p players and one other site is p2w players
Global doesnt allow any Eidolons or Signature. Most f2p have atleast some sig or eidolons.
CN data doesn't even make sense, what is happening 😭 (probably E6S5 dps and supports lol)
Im gunna be completely honest, i think cn just does not like argenti.
Argenti in the same tier as e0 dhil in pf? Yeah they just hate argenti or have ridiculous skill issue. If you arent full clearing pf with HH sparkle tingyun there is something EXTREMELY wrong.
Im running argenti with sparkle tingyun E6 lynx for the attack buff and can full clear pf just fine, and my argenti is some garbage because i dont wanna farm the physical set.
I love Argenti but this is just a really bad PF for him due to no phys weakness and the affix that buffs him is probably the weakest of the three. I got 40k but had to triple support.
I had 0 issues with him crushing the last few PFs, so it boggles my mind that they decided now to bump him up to T0 in his worst showing in awhile.
All this data seems arbitrary and useless if i'm gonna keep it a buck
Jq is mid guys
Yeah sure
Hello mr.pokke, i just want to say box2 is better player than you❤❤❤
Obviously 👏
no objections
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Wow erudition is so weak they aren't even able to reach top marks in a mode that's "made for them" 🙄. The entire path needs buffs
CN to Global: Skill issue
More like the other way around lol. They have Argenti so low on CN 😂
More like eidolon issue
More like a wallet issue tbh, CN stats doesn't differentiate Eidolons whereas Prydwen only considers E0 performance for the 5 star banner units
More like brokie issue
I notice that the almost all average score of CN are hitting 30,000 while in Global, it's is much lower than that.
Ehh CN include eidolons in their tierlist so not reliable💩
Remember the other dont even include sig lc 🗣️
also imagine using E0 FF/E0 Acheron data when like half of the people got e2
@oworandom thats still fair though, comparing anything above e0s1 is stupid, it doesn't matter if one unit does 300% more damage than the other if both can zero cycle on auto
@@oworandomPrydwen data includes sig, they just don't count limited eidolons
@@orion615 please check their criteria before replying 💀
@@oworandom "If a team used a limited 5* E1+ character, it was excluded from the average cycles calculation" Sigs are counted in the data (you can ask in their discord if you want confirmation yourself), only limited eidolons are excluded. Their tierlists however are based on e0s0 units, so ig ppl get confused.
If u follow CN meta, ur account wont ever face any issue even if u r f2p. Why?, cause we only go for the best & efficient all rounder unit , and skipping trap/trash banner
Nope, believe in yourself rather than follow cn meta.
Your account will face equip issue, but not with unit issue.
There's no trash/trap banner, new banner always become meta.
So its depend on your equip and your skill.
You know? I have all sustain from luocha to lingsha.
But still use fu xuan and luocha rather than aventurine or lingsha.
Because when in moc/pf , luocha and fu xuan can full star moc in auto mode.
While aventurine and lingsha cant auto play, only in manual mode.
Why try hard in manual mode, while you can clear it in auto mode with full star.
After that i stop read other people commentary about some unit / tierlist unit.
Only gacha what i want and what i need.
Its better than read tierlist, since new unit always become meta, because its gacha game.
Imagine needing to play meta to clear hsr end game 😂
I dont think following CN who thinks having eidolons as the standard, is reliable 😆... If anything it just shows they're very dependant on eidolons when you can clear the whole endgame with only E0, including 0 cycle MoC..
The general consensus is, getting the OP harmony units with its signature, guarantees you wont face any issues for several months as they can make even a subpar dps to broken...
Meanwhile you're using Seele 😂
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