I love the fact that the Great Plateau is crawling with _armored_ black Bokoblins! Almost like Ganondorf sent his best troops to assure the Shrine of Resurrection isn't used again!
@@AidanRatnage Well, I mean, to make a modern military comparison: Lynel = tank, armored black Bokoblins = shock troops. You don't necessarily send a tank to secure a facility. (That, and you also have Gloom Hands lurking around like black ops assassins)
it's my personal headcanon that after Botw all the shrines and towers went back into the ground, since they had fulfilled their purpose. The ancient sheikah tech was meant specifically for defeating calamity ganon, so when that happened, all that blue energy it ran on dried up, and aferwards the scientists like Purah had to figure out new ways of powering stuff.
Well, the towers still run on sheikah tech, and the purah pad and such, so they probably salvaged alot of the sheikah tech and made sure it wouldn't be taken over again. Divine beasts probably went into the ground though and shrines
If that was the case, we would have seen them in the depths, but we don't, the sheikah slate is also gone even though Zelda always had it with her, Guardians are all gone too, I feel like the game will probably explain this in some random sidequest
The Sheikah chief's house in Kakariko Village also has the mural of the Calamity in the upstairs room, and the school in Hateno teaches the kids (and Link if you hang around) about the Calamity and the Divine Beasts.
I was floored by how *gone* all the Sheikah tech was. Like, it's like Robbie and Purah had a kill switch to dissolve all of it. The shrine of resurrection was stripped bare. I was shocked.
Fun fact. A rare drop, or at least rare from the Archer Link amiibo, you can acquire “ancient blade” which basically turns your arrows into the ancient arrows from BOTW
It felt so weird not encountering Guardians anymore, I almost miss them. The constructs take the role as the new robot enemy yeah, but they just feel like reskins of normal enemies with the exception of that one block titan. Me personally, I just think they all... vanished, with the exception of the divine beasts and towers that merely stopped worked. The trails faded away in that funky blue light once the Calamity has been defeated and the Guardians merely rusted into nothing. Edit: oh, gloom hands.
@javiervasquez625 The game already tells you that the Hudson crew built them from scratch. All shiekah tech fades away as if it never existed. The Shiekah Slate still exists, somehow, but got renamed "Purah Pad" as Purah insisted she invented it despite it being ancient like the divine beasts
I really wish we had a guardian or two hidden in the world as secret minibosses and dropped some powerful shiekah fuse tech like the arrow heads you can get, although honestly without the BOTW sheikah slate skills they might be tougher to fight
What many haven't seemed to talk about? Even the DEAD guardians are gone. From everywhere. If they really broke down all the Sheikah tech, it implies they scoured every last corner of Hyrule, even the tech that would never be a threat except to some traveler.
I KNOW RIGHT!!! WHERE THE HELL DID THEY GO!?!? I can begrudgingly accept that the living guardians are gone, but the decayed ones from 100's of years ago should still be there! BUT THEY AREN'T! HUUUUHHH!???? How does that make sense!? Isn't TOTK supposed to take place 2 years after BOTW?
@@Sqwivig I think it's later, based on Mattison. You attend her parents' wedding in BOTW, and get to meet her, clearly elementary school aged, in TOTK.
@@SheosMan117 Pretty sure there's a 6 years timeskip as per Mattison looking way over 5 years old and many of the Shrines having been decomissioned by Purah in order to build her watchtowers leading to the many holes and grottos spread across the kingdom devoid of any Sheikah technology inside.
I was speedrunning the towers and the memories before doing anything significant in the story and I did notice that the spots where shrines used to be were either empty or destroyed. I was almost relieved to see the dead Guardian on top of Purah’s tower in Hateno village, it felt weird not having anything remain other than the odd ancient arrow head or two
In my head-canon, the untouched Sheikah constructs gradually began to dissolve and collapse on their own with all the spirit orbs gathered and returned to the goddess over the course of a 100% completion of BOTW. There are implications that these constructs are powered by the prayer and dedication of the eternally-meditating monks and are (in the case of the shirnes, as shown by the master sword trials) realities created/augmented by intense concentration and willpower vs the "real world". With the spirits freed, the mission accomplished, and closure gifted to those who clung to the mortal world waiting for Link, all that collective spiritual willpower breathed a sight of relief and all that energy rejoined the goddess. As a result, all the structures retuned to basically being clay and ceramic pottery and collapsed in the ensuing years either by accelerated entropy from 10k years, or from the returning Hylian diaspora intentionally wrecking them (not knowing they were totally dead without malice or the monks willpower driving them) to prevent their return. Meanwhile, Purah and Robbie rushed to salvage and reverse-engineer what little they could. Being Sheikah descendants themselves, they may have retained the ability to energize simple constructs, but nothing on the scale of their ancestors. Regarding the discussion about the shrines: talk about them might be minimal simply because the death of the de-energized Sheikah tech would have been extremely common knowledge for Hyrule residents and would not have been a thing well-known by people returning, since the Calamity was 100 years ago and the towers and shrines began rising well after most of the kingdom was vacant. In addition to this, we can see from hints like Hudson's daughter that a considerable amount of time has passed between the two games, between 5 or even 10 years - and if we think about how everyone thought the tech was taboo during the pre-calmity times and compare that to how zeitgeist works in real-life... people were already moving past it only to have the falling ruins take center stage. Think if real-life disasters and how fast we move to the next headline. 5 or 10 years is enough to exhaust average interest, not even mentioning that the main event of BOTW was 100yr prior - then it's all overshadowed by the latest disaster. But that's all just me trying to make sense of it for myself as I enjoy the game. Nintendo is notoriously weird about Zelda continuity. ^^
I love your theory, the monks having fulfilled their mission were rewarded with a well-deserved eternal rest, and without them praying and maintaining the whole thing, the energy depleted or went back to the goddess, and without such energy, all the sheikah stuff that was made from clay and pottery just had accelerated 10k years of decay. And why the subject is barely mentioned in-game because people moves on quickly and currently have a new disaster to worry about. Your theory is the most spiritually beautiful and makes the more sense within this canon mess that Nintendo always does.
That does make sense. Since in the opening scenes of TOTK, when you first gain control of Link. He has all hearts and all three stamina wheels. So they decaying and rusting away would make complete sense since the game implies you have done/or will do a 100% run in BOTW. Love that theory.
This makes sense. The monks disappeared once they passed on their spirit orb to Link. Perhaps once Calamity Ganon was defeated, most of the Sheikah tech was designed to do this. Just disappear into energy.
If we also assume what sheika tech is an improved version of zonai tech, we have interesting implications. zonai tech's main drawback is the usage of zonaite itself. it is inherently unstable, breaking itself after usage of energy. There are some zonite construct that seems to have a long lifespan, but it seems to implicate that these techs are very once-used product or something. If large portion of the zonai tech did not survive the decay of time and shieka tech was a half-reversed engineered product of the leftover, we can say the sheika monks have found a way to extend this very shelf life. if the product decays after it's energy usage. why not feed the energy of the soul to sustain the technology indefinitely? This must be a reason why the monks were preserved to be living indefinitely untill the soul energy was given to the hero of legend. after the soul energy gone, just like zonai tech, they disappeared. This also could be the reason why sheika tech could be hijacked by malice. it was designed to use soul energy, so it was weak to bad soul energy's hijacking. If we know these are decayed into thin air and also leftover could be destroyed on purpose to stop second demise happening, we can assume the following: before it decayed and disappeared into thin air, purah and others reverse engineered the remaining product, including the sheika slate, to be more resistant to soul hijacking. however due to the already lost technology, their new invention made using reverse engineering knowledge is not exact copy, rather inferior version of the original.
I found reference to all the shieka tech, if you go to kakariko village in Paya’s room, you can find the picture of the guardians and the divine beasts, along with the towers. So it’s very likely that they were deconstructed.
It honestly makes sense that the shrines and towers were dismantled especially when you realize there are holes into the underground where shrines used to be (remember that the shrine challenges take place under the shrines themselves)
I think on a technical perspective to prevent too much space and lag for the game they removed the assets to save on space.. even though they probably could have kept the Devine beasts and resurrection chamber.
@@Sqwivig why would it not make sense for the dead guardians? If the reason they deconstructed the guardians is to learn more about the ancient technology or for spare parts, wouldn't it make more sense to deconstruct all of them? Including the dead ones?
@giraffe_boi2330 how the heck did Zelda and the shiekah find labor to do ALL of that? Kakariko isn't a large city, and even though it doesn't seem like people are starving how did she (Zelda) get others to help her? Like, there are building materials just laid out everywhere in the kingdom, not being used and Hudson is in charge of all of that, none of this makes sense lol, just slopped together with so many gaping holes Nintendo just doesn't freaking care about the world.
The fact that the towers used by Purah look like they are made of guardian parts might be a good clue as to where they went. When it comes down to it the divine beasts were just really big guardians.
In Korok Forest, one of the koroks actually makes a reference to the old shrines. So they definitely once existed and it's maybe best to assume it was all scraped for some alternative use, but it never happened thanks to the upheaval event.
There is a line that Rahru says from one of the 12 years that Zelda was never originally meant to be in his timeline, but was sent back for a reason. Pura says that as soon as the upheaval started, the geoglyphs appeared out of no where, and the light dragon was not in the first game. It points to a rubber-banding fix to a paradox.
The Light Dragon was nowhere to be seen in Breath of the Wild because it was constantly flying above the _invisible_ Cloud Barrier that the 3 elemental dragons fly through after finishing their respective flying routes. The events of both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are part of a closed timeloop with events in the past caused by events in the future. Both games's events were predetermined to happen as part of a divine plan set by the Golden Goddesses.
Also Kohga said that link was the one who sent him into the depths, and we truly did in botw. What else is in the depths, is the fire temple where the secret stone of the sage of fire waits with zonai constructs guarding it and all the abandoned zonai mines. That means it was all there when botw happened but ofc it was all out of our sight. No paradox here, its simple time traveling
My biggest issue with totk lore is the implication the zonai were rhe founders of hyrule which contradicts skyward sword so hard it feels like its gonna split the timeline again
Simply what if the sheikah tech went to a different realm, we've seen what the ancient arrows do to animals, like zap them into nothing like it's a portal or something, we know where are other realms in Zelda, why couldn't they have just done that to shrines or the shrines do that to themselves
A bit too cruel for that to be case lol imagine being an adorable little deer walking carefree through the woods then suddenly some evil elfboy comes along throws you to another universe to an uncertain fate. Not even the Goddesses would this cruel to allow that to happen.
@@javiervasquez625 Idk, if the goddess is a tri-omni god, then she was cruel enough to make sure everything happened. She literally flooded all of hyrule at one point.
@@botarakutabi1199 They flooded it to save the world from Ganondorf after Zelda was too obsessed with a literal manchild to live his childhood instead of allowing him to live a carefree life for a few years before letting him have kids and be an adult. The Goddesses DO care about what happens to the world to let some elfboy to send living beings to a parallel universe.
@@javiervasquez625 Flooding a world is a shit way to save people imo. Unless the Goddess Hylia is just powerful enough to flood everything, but not powerful enough to just stop evil.
@@botarakutabi1199 The Golden Goddesses have a "no interfere with physical world" policy which is why they ended up flooding Hyrule after the people prayed to them to "do something" when a descendant of the Hero of Time didn't show up to save the day. Since Ganondorf is a mortal man (not a demon or god) they always leave the demon fighting to Link and Zelda who share Ganondorf's mortality.
I wish we had a few secret guardian boss fights that just showed up after Ganondorf was defeated, maybe like 5, but they were all around the base of Hyrule Castle where the old spiars jutted out of the ground
The ancient Shieka tech is referenced in Totk though. They quite literally name drop Van Medoh and since Purah says that they broke down all the Sheika tech in her diary I'm fairly certain that that meant all of it. Regarding why ancient furnaces are no longer required: Purah and Robbie no longer wanted to rely on the failing power source so they changed power sources.
I like to think they incorporated the ancient furnace tech into their buildings so they don't have to constantly travel across a sometimes monster infested field just to restore power.
One detail that hasn't been mentioned is that the guardian on the roof of the hateno research lab is still there, along with some pieces of guardian scouts
The only ones using the Ancient tech is Purah and Robbie. They had to rebuild the towers since Gabon destroyed the places they once stood, a chasm entrance at each one.
Kind of half hope we get a third game where Link is thrown into the far future of Hyrule to contend with some future evil. exploring further magitek and stuff. And we see Purah in the far future because having manipulated her age like she has, granted her some form of immortality.
YES!!!! Thank you for doing a video on this!! It was one of the first thing I noticed. After some of my own searching, I noticed an old in tact FULL guardian strapped to the top of the old lab in Hateno. I ALSO noticed the full scroll of the guardian attack (the four beasts in the corners) - it's in the bedroom of the main building in Kakariko!!!
Pretty likely that this is proof that the Sheikah technology was ultimately disassembled by Purah to help in her own technology and the reconstruction of Hyrule.
@@javiervasquez625 totally agreed - this absolutely lines up with bits and pieces dropped throughout the dialogue, as well. So many hidden gems in this game.
There is actually a mention of Vah Medoh that I remember clearly during one of the shrine quests in Rito village, and the tapestry that depicts the first Calamity is still present. While I do wonder where the Sheika stuff went, I don't think it was erased.
The time manipulation theory is easy to disprove, since there is a history class quest all about the calamity, also we still see impas painting of the calamity in impas house and there is still the hole in hebra mountain and so on ....
If you go to where the ancient hateno tech lab is you can find a deactivated guardian on top of the tower along with several guardian heads. So it’s implied that purah and Robbie took the sheikah tech apart
Hello, i am here to spread a theory i did not make but i saw somewhere Sheikah tech can be downloaded and teleported as seen in aoc, so they just turned the shrines and towers into data to be repurposed later, the chasms below the shrines originated from poor stability after the underground shrines were stored, same with the guardians, all for fear of them turning against them again
Well they actually teach the history of the Calamity in the school in Hateno. So it definitely did happen. I think they just deconstructed and decommissioned everything Sheikah related so the calamity would not happen again.
I don’t do much care as to getting it back or anything. But more so I want an explanation from the game. Like… seriously. They ditch the sheikah slate for the purha pad? Like… it does the same thing but less features. The slate at lest looked original too where the pad is literally a switch which kinda takes me out of it. Then there is the fact that even if all the tech rusted away… how? We saw guardian corpses eeeeverywhere that managed to last for 100 years. Now 4 years passed and everything is gone? I highly doubt they managed to clean everything up if the research gang was destroying it all. After all they had bigger things ti worry about than to make sure every small scrap was gone. Like a kingdom to rebuild. If the tech itself made itself go away after completing their purpose, you still had dead unpowered guardians that would have been left behind The new towers just feel of as to why they built them when the old towers also did the same thing. If anything they did it better since they didn’t need to launch someone into the air with a camera and just installed the data of the area. Why is it all their tech got downgraded for the stuff they replaced it with? We know the sheikah could make better versions of the stuff since purha upgraded runes and Robbie’s furnace for better equipment are clear examples of them improving on the original designs. I have so many questions as to why it’s all gone and how. And the game answers none of it in favor for the zonai replacing everything. And it’s hard to say it’s an AU because they mention the calamity after all and the champs still exist, that could only happen if there was sheikah tech
My thoughts exactly. They should still be around! Sure the upheaval perhaps sent a few of them into the chasms but if anything I would think that they would experiment on reverse engineering and combining Sheikah and Zonai tech not treat it as if it doesn't exist.
@@andresmarrero8666 my biggest frustration with this so far was the shrine of resurrection. Your telling me they scrapped off every inch of the walls too? A lot of that wasn’t tech, it was literally the construction of the ceiling and floors. And somehow they got that too. Not to mention the 5th divine beast there. Unless the dlc wasn’t cannon or something
@@latios3874 I heard about that and it indeed makes no sense. That's an entire structure of which there is no reason to dismantle it. Besides there is too much lingering tech for them to dismantle in four years and it doesn't make much sense to do so. I don't the gloom attack destroyed them because being buried in rock and ten thousand years didn't affect them not to mention the Zonai constructs aren't affected. It would make sense if the gloom attack forcibly shut Sheikah down and made it inoperable hence the need for the new towers and the Purah Pad despite being downgrades. I want this to be addressed with Link asking what happened to the Divine Beasts and some NPC telling him that the chasms swallowed them up and now they can't reach them because of all the gloom so they are hoping that planting a bunch of anti-gloom flowers will help them reach the darn divine beasts. This could even involve a quest line or mini-adventure where they not only get a guardian to work but modify it with Zonai tech and anti-gloom flower extract, and after it is completed you see them throughout the tunnels and going in and out of the chasms. At least give us some sensible explanation.
It bothers me so much that the champions aren’t mention by name much at all. All I’ve found is Mipha’s court, the sculpture of Daruk in goron city and each weapon wielded by the champions
I think the simplest answer possible is that Nintendo didn't want to clutter the world with useless objects and confuse new players who didn't play BOTW. Characters don't mention this stuff because for new players its irrelevant and for old players its also irrelevant because they already know it. Zelda changing the past doesn't make sense because based off of Ganondorf's dialogue in the intro prior to Zelda going into the past it suggests that the time loop already happened.
This is the reason, as sad as it is. TOTK basically invalidates everything we did in BOTW, just so new players don't get confused. They even said so in one of the interview parts that were published the days prior to the launch.
@@mitahen2231 nintendo's story and lore has always been weak, partially thanks to miyamoto. Even zelda games, which are better about it, don't link together well if at all without serious handwaving
The past was never changed as it was already preordained to happen before the Era of the Wild even came to be. The Zelda universe works in a predetermined way where the future is already written and the all the characters are puppets on strings carrying out "actions" which inevitably lead to preordained consequences beyond their control as seen in Skyward Sword with Old Impa been introduced already carrying the armband Zelda gives her at the end of the game. Everything that happens in Breath of the Wild happened because of Tears of the Kingdom making both games in the Era of the Wild a closed timeloop just like in the case of Skyward Sword.
@@mitahen2231 That's honestly my biggest gripe with this game. I feel like the year I spent playing BOTW was all for nothing and everything I did to save Hyrule didn't even have an impact. Yet this game is supposed to take place 2 years after the events of BOTW. And yet the characters act as if it never happened!? But some characters DO remember the events of BOTW!? What!? HOW!? Did BOTW happen or didn't it!? WTF NINTENDO 😡
@@Sqwivig There's a 6 year timeskip between Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom as proven by Hudson's daughter Mattison looking over 5 years of age. 6 years is more than plenty of time for the many NPCs to forget about the elfkid they met a long time ago hence why they all act as if they never met you in Tears of the Kingdom.
I’m fine with the idea that they just dismantled and cannibalized all the tech, I just wish that given such a drastic change to the world that leaves a lot of unanswered questions that they’d have changed more things about the world outside of that. It would’ve been cool if they’d expanded on a lot of the settlements, adding a bunch of features that utilize a bunch of repurposed Sheikah tech, and just in general had things rebuilt in the time between games like imagine if castle town had started to be rebuilt instead of just having lookout landing. Like imply that things have started to return to a state of normalcy prior to the upheaval instead of basically being the same broken world with this one major glaring change
Why doesn’t Hestu seem to recognize or remember Link and is surprised Link can see him. I think this is an alternate timeline where some calamity happened, but it wasn’t calamity Ganon, Link never slept for 100 years and the guardians were never built. Maybe BotW is a fallen timeline where Rauru failed and the Sheikah had to imprison Ganon.
I think its because, technically, you could have beaten botw without ever talking to Hestu. It seems only NPCs who had a direct impact on Links quest remember him.
Easy after the events of BOTW they made went back into the ground and the remaining tech was used to build the new towers and new style furnace. Like the one used in the beginning of the game when they turn it on they took the furnace and turn it into a boiler style. Because if you look at the switch it connects to a furnace style boiler ?
I’m more of the opinion that the game is taking place in a closed time loop. When reading the character profiles for some of the characters, it mentions certain characters helping link during the Calamity. Not only that but if no sheikah tech existed, then Link would not be 100 years after the Calamity. My thoughts are Zelda went back in time, inadvertently influenced the Zonai shrines existing which inspired the sheikah. The Sheikah then made their tech based off those shrines and the divine beasts after the sages, and the goal was to push back and seal Ganon until the time came for the Demon King to be vanquished. So, the Sheikah shrines wouldn’t have existed without Zelda. The other reason I think this since it wasn’t confirmed, is why did Rauru make the shrines if he personally did not need them?
It is a closed timeloop as proven through all of Zelda's memories so you're right on that. I believe Rauru made the Shrines simply because he was _told_ to make them by the Goddesses "whispering" to him through his long ears (according to the scholar Shad in Twilight Princess long ears allow one to hear the messages from the gods). Basically put Rauru was ordered by the goddesses to carry out events which would lead into both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom as part of a divine plan set out by the Golden Goddesses.
@@javiervasquez625 That lore about long ears is actually much older and dates all the way back to the instruction manual for A Link to the Past. It's great that they remember little details like that and bring them forward often.
@@QuasarEE Nice i didn't remember that it also appeared in the manual of A Link to the Past. That means the Zonai might indeed be the "God Tribe" mentioned in the japanese translation of Skyward Sword who were at war with Demise's Demon Tribe. I can only imagine what we'll learn in a future DLC/sequel to the game.
Honestly between the Sheikah Slates ability to store a lot of things and being able to teleport things it's not hard to imagine that Link was tasked with going around Hyrule at some point to store as much guardian scrap he could find, the shrines sunk into the ground since they no longer serve a purpose, towers were obviously scrapped and repurposed with the new ones. Watch the DLC show us that Purah is just storing all four Divine Beasts in a Sheikah Slate until they can figure out what to do with them.
They do kinda mention the calamity when Zelda talk to Rauru or minaru when Zelda talks about link being an appointment knight that was supposed to protect her, she mentions him saving hyrule and carrying the sword that seals the darkness
Some of the characters also mention stuff like fighting with Link before, joining teams again, Link saving the world previously, etc. I think they don't want it to seem too familiar because of new players feeling out of loop or confused. And like, Zelda and Link set out on a huge journey to restore the kingdom. Maybe it's not directly said but we know it was the calamity.
Theory. Local villagers knocked down a tower in an act of gratuitous vengeance, and to Purah and Robbie's surprise, this knocked out the local guardians when their network went down. The shrines lost their connections to the extra dimension their innards occupied in the same event, and thus underwent a rapid disassembly when they dismantled the rest of the network. The divine beasts were most likely cannibalised for their parts, Ruta living on as an irrigation project somewhere in the gerudo desert for example.
I would say that the shieka trials after testing the hero, desintegrated or just whent down and crumbled. The 4 trials on the great platoe are now chasms. Almost as if malice sweped in trough the holes left by the shrine elevators. And the shrine of resurection has a pool of healing water wich shows there is still remaining power on that place. I would say its a mix between being desintegrated ( trials) and diamantled with some tech being burried. Maybe the lack of power made the tech start to rust faster and faster. And some parts were salvaged and used to reconstruct tech and adapt to other power sources. And it will be payed dlc. Fans want shieka tech too much, they need to ad some of it back in the dlc and offer a bether explanation
DLC explaining some of the missing skeikah tech would be pretty nice. Getting weapons from it back once again would be cool, like imagine it: Zonai and Skeikah weapons fused together.
It is the lack of a proper explanation that is driving people nuts I think. I don't see entire structures being dismantled or them being particularly vulnerable to the gloom when they stood unaffected for 10,000 years. Frankly it makes more sense to modify the Guardians to make sure that possession wouldn't happen the next time perhaps by incorporating Zonai tech.
Vah Megoh's ( bird megazord) perch still has its name in Rito Village in Tears of the Kingdom. Idk what happened to all the sheikah tech, but the events of BotW still took place.
Melted - there is more than one memorial from Zelda. Also, the mural from BotW is in Paya’s room.. so no, this is not a retcon. In fact, if I recall, the tech cannot be seen anywhere in the BotW ending, like it’s been washed clear of the landscape. And considering that it all just popped up from the ground, it’s pretty safe to say it just … went back after it’s purpose had been served. Or hey- maybe they got destroyed when the Upheaval happened? But a retcon? Nah. That’s really silly
Wouldn't surprise me if some time travel hijinks created a split path. Zelda has always loved playing with time travel since I want to say Ocarina of Time.
What is also weird is...why is Ganondorf appearing back during the founding of Hyrule? If the imprisoning war Zelda mentioned in the beginning could be the same from A link to the past, why is it stating that it took place at the founding of Hyrule? Hyrule was already established, and had a castle during the downfall timeline, unless it's a different imprisoning's war.
Botw and totk by extension haven’t been placed into a single timeline by Nintendo or any theory crafters bc it has direct and literal references from every Zelda game. For every theory I make to place it in one of the timelines there’s 30 other theory why your wrong, for example the 3 levithan skeletons being in the same game doesn’t make sense, having all armor and correct lore for items from other games in the same game (fierce deity, majoras mask, hero of the woods or whatever his old old outfit is called, phantom armor, ZORAS AND RITOS COEXISTENCE) A common theory people usually go with is that this timeline is either the end and conjoined timeline of all timelines or that it’s outside the main ones and a new one. And a really interesting theory that try’s to explain why it connects all timelines brings in hyrule warriors as to why there’s so much timeline leakages So trying to use any evidence from any of the established timelines is like patching a sinking ship with 5ply toilet paper
@@Strip4Dreezy Something that the devs said, that they were breaking the conventions of the series with Breath of the Wild and in turn, Tears of the Kingdom, it would mean that gameplay wouldn't be the only thing broken, but also the in-universe timeline. Spoilers ahead: Put it this way, if Ganondorf appeared right after Skyward Sword which in the timeline was when Hyrule was founded, and was then sealed away, then how would he have appeared in Ocarina of Time? This has me believe that this part of the Zelda franchise is far detatched from the franchise's timeline, that it isn't part of it at all.
You have to remember that the Breath of Wild Era is Confirmed to at least Takes Place After Ocarina of time... At least after the End of the Child time line or the Decline time line. It's extremely unlikely that the Adult timeline is involved because a new hyrule is already been established by Link and Tetra. Ganondordlf is turned to stone and the master's sword is gone.. Meanwhile the The triforce Likely returned to the sacred realm.
This 2 games in the Era of the Wild are a _soft reboot_ taking place thousands of years AFTER the end of the 3 timelines in a _new_ kingdom of Hyrule founded by Sonia and the Zonai Rauru. The Ganondorf seen in this game is a _reincarnation_ just like his predecessor from Four Swords Adventures.
The tech never existing doesn't hold up with the existence of the Divine beast Helmets you can get, because characters WILL comment on it and mention the divine beasts
Like I’m HOPING?? They do a dlc with Shieka tech.. But I never ever understood how they never mentioned calamity Ganon being the demon king. Like wasn’t Ganon’s malice form just gloom or his hatred seeping out? I’m so confused by the lore. And if Skyward Sword is in the mix too, how does Sonia fit in to the Hylia cycle. Or.. ughh my brain.
The Calamity Ganon was ganonsdorfs evil fury which was escaping from the sealing. Zelda was stronge enough to seal this escaping energy for 100 years. And after 100 years Link defeated this evil energy. Ganonsdorf was sealed under the Hyrule Castle all alonge but no one knew it.
Time manipulation is not an option because there is still a decayed guardian in top of the hateno lab, and in impa’s house in kakariko there is still the calamity war mural from 10,000 years ago
Yes, but it could also mean that because of time meddling, now the zonai are the forerunners of tech instead of the sheikah. Which means that all the tech is now credited to the zonai.
I felt like nintendo could be setting up an expansion that relate to all the missing ancient sheikah tech, but I'm more interested in the lore implication of the tribe and how it relates to the zonai since both have advance technology I wonder if they are related or not.
there a quest in heteno village in the school where it litterty tells you about the events of btow so the fact they same to forget or is a diffrent time or universe cant be
i really like the game a the story (even if the story might conflict with the lore). One of the issues i have with it is it seems the Triforce doesn't matter anymore. In TOTK its the powerful Secret Stones instead of the Triforce. As a average Zelda fan when i think of the Legend of Zelda games i think of the Master Sword, Zelda, Link, and the Triforce. the other issue i have is the Imprisoning War. does that mean BOTW and TOTK are in the downfall timeline? some things this game's story shows doesn't match up with the Imprisoning War the Zelda books talk about. So that make me wonder if Nintendo is following the Marvel path. You know how Marvel has a multiverse? Like the new movie Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse which shows different spiderman's from different universes. Maybe the BOTW and TOTK are not part of the Zelda timeline we know from the books. maybe BOTW and TOTK have their own timeline in a different universe. Does that make sense? Or maybe they are just going to retcon the entire Zelda franchise.
Both Era of the Wild games are a _soft reboot_ of the franchise taking place thousands of years after the 3 timelines ended with a new kingdom of Hyrule founded by Sonia and Rauru and a _reincarnation_ of Ganondorf replacing the ones last seen in the Era of Myth. This is a fresh start for the franchise as the timelines converge into a single one once more.
All the Zelda games were never in a timeline together until very recently, except for a few obvious cases, and they just slapped them together. Nintendo doesn’t even treat them that way, they just make new games that broadly tell the same story with variants on the same characters. Don’t get caught up in it except for fun.
When Zelda used her sacred power, the Triforce lit up on her hand. Also, the Triforce is still represented by the personalities of the three main characters: Link represents the courage, Zelda represents the wisdom, and Ganondorf represents the strength.
@@javiervasquez625 Ah thank you for saying this. I know the timeline is convoluted and the only reason they did an "official" one is because people kept insisting. That said, I love the lore. I love that in Twilight Princess, you wear OoT Links clothes. I like that Skyward Sword explains the birth of everything. I like how WW, OoT, and TP Ganondorf were all the same reborn villain, centuries apart, I like how all the stories fit together. Was feeling like TotK shredded that lol. But if we remember from Skyward Sword, Demise did in fact curse himself, Link, and Zelda to repeat the cycle for eternity. I thought of it like "every game is a new cycle." With this being a soft reboot but also a much much grander cycle. Instead of every game being a new cycle, they rebooted it to the very beginning again (sky people in the beginning this time = Zonai, a second imprisoning war). This is a long comment sorry, but you don't know how happy you just made me lmao I can finally make it make sense.
@@WhoKilledLenny They didn't "reboot it to the very beginning again" though but simply fixed the 3 timelines problem by unifying them all into a single one via the Era of Myth as an easy way to continue making more games without the issue of "does it take place in this or that timeline?" been an issue in EVERY new Zelda game made after the Hyrule Historia made sense of the timeline. The Zonai being a divine race from the sky isn't a repeat of Skyward Sword as the people of Skyloft were strictly stated to be _humans_ were created in the _surface_ making them completley normal unlike the god-like Zonai who's existence is very much a mystery all the way to the end of Tears of the Kingdom. Wathever similarities you think there is between the stories of both Skyward Sword and Tears of the Kingdom know that Nintendo is only _adding_ new Lore that is not in any way either repeating or replacing the old one seen in past games.
Hey. It's true that totk is almost completely stripped of the Sheikah stuff BUT there is a guardian's body sitting on top of the lab in Hateno. So they did exist.
My Theory about the Sheikah tech gone missing is being repurposed as seen with the towers, they salvaged the arms of the guardians and training units to reverse engineer in to something more controllable and easy to use, while retaining there few redesigned forms, like the legs and teleport pads, robbie old tech lab in Akkala, there still one unused guardian on the roof, there are few others but cant remember, I still new to the game despite I got so far in to it, anyway I don't think they forget about it, I believe they want to forget the past that killed many people because is terrifying, so much had died, so they are now using zonai tech to replace what was now gone to dust forever.
Once you complete the dragon's tears quest and the 5th sage quest Impa goes back to Kakariko and when you talk to her she does mention the calamity and Symin in Hateno village also does a lesson on the calamity with his students
From a technical standpoint, I think Nintendo simply didn't want to scatter the already cramped landscape with 120 now defunct shrines, towers and stuff. They would simply confuse new players and old players already know where everything is/was. In game I think it simply stopped working and dissolved after the calamity was defeated. The shrines and towers especially were designed to help link regain his memory and power after 100 years and thus no longer needed after the events of BotW. And the rest was probably disassembled and repurposed into the new towers and the Purapad by Purah and Robbie. The "Zelda changed the past" theory can be disproved by Ganondorf recognizing Zelda and Link at the start of the game, meaning he must have already encountered Zelda in the past, thus the time loop already existed.
Maybe BotW and TotK are the only ones that are canon, and all of the older games are myths within that world. Like our myths, they include actual events that were explained to the best of the writer’s ability. That could explain why events from different timelines are directly mentioned in BotW. The previous Zelda games could all just be stories passed through the generations, like fables or religions, and it was the Calamity 100 years before BotW that finally exposed Ganon as an actual entity. The myths were based on some truth, but no one knows that truth. They only know the mythology.
if link was 16 in the last game then with american laws at least 5 years had to have past or 4 if we are going off of the legal drinking age in japan but link is able to drink alcohol in this game as shown in gerudo town
I think the entire explanation for the Sheikah tech disappearing is exactly this video's bio. The elephant! In BotW, in an end credit scene, Zelda says that they need to visit Zora's domain because Vah Rutah stopped working. What if, with the calamity gone and the spirits moving on, the sheikah technology served its purpose and stopped functioning?
I like the idea that the towers and shrines went back into the ground and all weapon type tech was disassembled and used to create new things Pura and Robbie may have needed to use more of it than the ancient sheka as the ancient sheka may have had help from the zonie or at least had more of their technology and manuscripts available to use in creating the original sheka tech
7:17 It's actually explained as part of the whole paradox with Zelda. In the memory where Zelda meets Rauru's sister. Mineru asks to see the Purah pad and flat out says she'd like to try to reverse-engineer the teleport functionality. She manages this somewhere between then and Ganondorf's ascent to Demon King, and it's the primary reason anyone was able to escape after Sonia's death. It even keeps the same blue light in that cutscene that it's always been using. So going by that, even if there wasn't nearly enough Shiekah tech to study, there'd be the travel gates stationed outside the Zonai shrines to experiment with.
I just miss the ancient weapons you used to get from Robbie. That 2 handed ancient saw weapon we got was awesome! Really hope they bring guardians and the weapons back for DLC.
I miss the Guardians. They were so fun to fight, and the added random adrenaline when exploring created such unique encounters that we dont get in TOTK
It would be so nice if there somewhere is a dump of guardians. The pile at Robbie’s lab is covered over, which makes sense. It would also be great if there is a shrine that’s broken open. Every shrine have this giant room under them and it wouldn’t really do anything if you just destroyed the building above ground. The upheaval caused all of these chasms to open up, so there must be some shrines that was affected by it.
there’s a rundown guardian sitting on top of the hateno ancient tech lab, and the school side quest in hateno goes over the calamity in excruciating detail, including the fact that the beasts and everything were built by the sheikah.
Nope she wasn't as she travelled to the Era of a _new Hyrule's_ foundation after the old ones disbanded in the Era of Myth. Sonia and Rauru are the first queen and king of a new incarnation of Hyrule.
i feel like point 1 makes the most sense, point 2 is pretty much denied by the game itself as purah has 4 more diarys around hyrule which talk about how she finished off her ageing rune for her sheika skate and used it one herself.
I like your theory on alternative time lines, I haven’t thought of that angel yet… and it makes the most sense when trying to put the time line together
there is a reference to the divine beast where if you pick up a certain shrine quest in rito village the person mentions the top of rito village as “vah medohs perch”
So im not the only that thinks that BotW could be somehow in 2 seperate Timelines? As if the entire OG timeline has Botw at both? basically BotW in the TotK timeline would have Zonai tech while the game we got in whatever timeline is got Shiekah tech. Era of Myth is the OG timeline but a parallel reality timeline. Like Lorule and Hyrule. Great video, really glad im not dumb thinking that too lmao
My theory regarding that is yes the survivors took their time over the 5 years to disassemble the ruin guards and all the other shiekah tech. Some of the shiekah towers are in spots now occupied by sky island structures and or made in chasms themselves so i think in practice even the Sheikah towers benign as they were (to link) were just smashed by the upheavel. As for the Sheikah shrines some of those shrines are straight replaced by the new shrines near by while others also got the twist treatment of either being disassembled by the hylians themselves or crushed under a stone
the first time i saw the trailer time alteration is the only thing i could ever think of. now knowing ganon is back in his actual form, i believe the time where zelda and link explored the castle ruins and awaken ganon that sets in the events of totk and reinvent a new timeline, and some kind of paradox.
The way I see it, Calamity Ganon was build-up energy stocked into Hyrule Castle's basement to develop and supply Sheika tech with energy. With time the accumulated said energy became sentient.This is why he was able to hijack guardians and divine beasts. Then when Ganon was defeated, all Sheika tech went obsolete. They then dissolved the way the Sheikahs inside the temple did. Just not sure if it disappeared because "mission accomplished" or because it shared the same essence as the Calamity. The main hole in this theory is how the furnace comes in the story, but I find it quite pertinent.
my main question is : where are the divin beast ? It’s litteraly some big machine and all so if they have destroyed them I’m sure it will be noticeable or at least we could see some broken part of the beast somewhere ? 🤔
I think that they will release a dlc that will hopefully go over some of that information of why a lack of shika tech and guardian bodies and maybe even have some rouge guardians that are uber powered by collecting malice over the years between games. They usually good about attempting appeasing the fans that or we will get another hyrul warrior game to go over all that or make alternate reality again.
3:25 Actually, this has probably already been mentioned in the comments but, in Rito Village, they still call Vah Medoh’s Perch, well, Vah Medoh’s Perch.
I love the fact that the Great Plateau is crawling with _armored_ black Bokoblins! Almost like Ganondorf sent his best troops to assure the Shrine of Resurrection isn't used again!
Or secure it for him self for backup emergency
Yup, they’re way more powerful now. Not pushovers like BotW lol.
So black bokoblins are better than silver lynels?
@@AidanRatnage Well, I mean, to make a modern military comparison: Lynel = tank, armored black Bokoblins = shock troops. You don't necessarily send a tank to secure a facility.
(That, and you also have Gloom Hands lurking around like black ops assassins)
I was running around the great plateau and a Gloom Hand attacked me, I accepted death lol
it's my personal headcanon that after Botw all the shrines and towers went back into the ground, since they had fulfilled their purpose. The ancient sheikah tech was meant specifically for defeating calamity ganon, so when that happened, all that blue energy it ran on dried up, and aferwards the scientists like Purah had to figure out new ways of powering stuff.
Probably.
But we would see evidence of that in the underground.
The only evidence we see is tge chasms of the great platoe
Well, the towers still run on sheikah tech, and the purah pad and such, so they probably salvaged alot of the sheikah tech and made sure it wouldn't be taken over again. Divine beasts probably went into the ground though and shrines
@@spunkyfunkymonke somewhat make sense to depower one of the most op gadget in history, Sheikah Slate
If that was the case, we would have seen them in the depths, but we don't, the sheikah slate is also gone even though Zelda always had it with her, Guardians are all gone too, I feel like the game will probably explain this in some random sidequest
@@royolaniye6643 nah, they won't explain it at all
The Calamity is mentioned in game. So are the Divine Beasts. The Rito specifically refer to the overhang that Vah Medoh sat on as Vah Medoh's Perch.
yeah, and if the sheikah didn't make the tech, then the yiga clan would never exist. You also find some small remnants of sheikah tech around
Fun fact there a guardian on top of the tech lighthouse in hetano
The Sheikah chief's house in Kakariko Village also has the mural of the Calamity in the upstairs room, and the school in Hateno teaches the kids (and Link if you hang around) about the Calamity and the Divine Beasts.
true! and the first hateno school sidequest talks about the calamity and events of botw in pretty clear detail
And of course the statue of Link and Sidon attacking Vah Ruta and a direct name drop of Vah Ruta by one of the zora
I was floored by how *gone* all the Sheikah tech was. Like, it's like Robbie and Purah had a kill switch to dissolve all of it. The shrine of resurrection was stripped bare. I was shocked.
Fun fact. A rare drop, or at least rare from the Archer Link amiibo, you can acquire “ancient blade” which basically turns your arrows into the ancient arrows from BOTW
you can also find these rarely in the overworld too in chests, found 3 on the original game's tutorial plateau
You can farm them for exchanging zonaite too
the guardian amibo drops it every time
@@kitsune3752 It doesnt its like a 5% drop, I have one
@@cal5365 i guess I was lucky 3 days in a row, lol
It felt so weird not encountering Guardians anymore, I almost miss them. The constructs take the role as the new robot enemy yeah, but they just feel like reskins of normal enemies with the exception of that one block titan.
Me personally, I just think they all... vanished, with the exception of the divine beasts and towers that merely stopped worked. The trails faded away in that funky blue light once the Calamity has been defeated and the Guardians merely rusted into nothing.
Edit: oh, gloom hands.
I really wish there were some way of getting guardian parts ancient arrows would be fun to use in totk
@@Raddish-IS-Radd Zonai + Ancient fusions.
@@Raddish-IS-Radd you can get ancient blades to craft ancient arrows
We might get a DLC soon explaining the whereabouts of all the Sheikah technology and wether they were used to make Purah's watchtowers.
@javiervasquez625
The game already tells you that the Hudson crew built them from scratch.
All shiekah tech fades away as if it never existed. The Shiekah Slate still exists, somehow, but got renamed "Purah Pad" as Purah insisted she invented it despite it being ancient like the divine beasts
I really wish we had a guardian or two hidden in the world as secret minibosses and dropped some powerful shiekah fuse tech like the arrow heads you can get, although honestly without the BOTW sheikah slate skills they might be tougher to fight
Maybe a guardian could of been found somewhere near fort hatano. You know where link first fell to the calamity
There are still 2 guardians. "That i know of" in TOTK, one at hateno tech lab and one at the akalla tech lab
You can also find the sages spirit orbs hidden in the game, I found one ontop of a sky island
Tougher to fight? Nah, ToTK's abilities are far stronger, and guardians in this game would be entirely cheesed
Well then again, Zelda killed all the guardians around that area trying to save link
What many haven't seemed to talk about? Even the DEAD guardians are gone. From everywhere. If they really broke down all the Sheikah tech, it implies they scoured every last corner of Hyrule, even the tech that would never be a threat except to some traveler.
I KNOW RIGHT!!! WHERE THE HELL DID THEY GO!?!? I can begrudgingly accept that the living guardians are gone, but the decayed ones from 100's of years ago should still be there! BUT THEY AREN'T! HUUUUHHH!???? How does that make sense!? Isn't TOTK supposed to take place 2 years after BOTW?
@@Sqwivig I think it's later, based on Mattison. You attend her parents' wedding in BOTW, and get to meet her, clearly elementary school aged, in TOTK.
@@SheosMan117 Pretty sure there's a 6 years timeskip as per Mattison looking way over 5 years old and many of the Shrines having been decomissioned by Purah in order to build her watchtowers leading to the many holes and grottos spread across the kingdom devoid of any Sheikah technology inside.
There is actually only one dead guardian on top of hateno's lab
you can see one on top of the lab
FINALLY people are discussing the lore! I’ve missed these discussions :,)
I was speedrunning the towers and the memories before doing anything significant in the story and I did notice that the spots where shrines used to be were either empty or destroyed. I was almost relieved to see the dead Guardian on top of Purah’s tower in Hateno village, it felt weird not having anything remain other than the odd ancient arrow head or two
In my head-canon, the untouched Sheikah constructs gradually began to dissolve and collapse on their own with all the spirit orbs gathered and returned to the goddess over the course of a 100% completion of BOTW. There are implications that these constructs are powered by the prayer and dedication of the eternally-meditating monks and are (in the case of the shirnes, as shown by the master sword trials) realities created/augmented by intense concentration and willpower vs the "real world". With the spirits freed, the mission accomplished, and closure gifted to those who clung to the mortal world waiting for Link, all that collective spiritual willpower breathed a sight of relief and all that energy rejoined the goddess. As a result, all the structures retuned to basically being clay and ceramic pottery and collapsed in the ensuing years either by accelerated entropy from 10k years, or from the returning Hylian diaspora intentionally wrecking them (not knowing they were totally dead without malice or the monks willpower driving them) to prevent their return. Meanwhile, Purah and Robbie rushed to salvage and reverse-engineer what little they could. Being Sheikah descendants themselves, they may have retained the ability to energize simple constructs, but nothing on the scale of their ancestors. Regarding the discussion about the shrines: talk about them might be minimal simply because the death of the de-energized Sheikah tech would have been extremely common knowledge for Hyrule residents and would not have been a thing well-known by people returning, since the Calamity was 100 years ago and the towers and shrines began rising well after most of the kingdom was vacant. In addition to this, we can see from hints like Hudson's daughter that a considerable amount of time has passed between the two games, between 5 or even 10 years - and if we think about how everyone thought the tech was taboo during the pre-calmity times and compare that to how zeitgeist works in real-life... people were already moving past it only to have the falling ruins take center stage. Think if real-life disasters and how fast we move to the next headline. 5 or 10 years is enough to exhaust average interest, not even mentioning that the main event of BOTW was 100yr prior - then it's all overshadowed by the latest disaster. But that's all just me trying to make sense of it for myself as I enjoy the game. Nintendo is notoriously weird about Zelda continuity. ^^
I love your theory, the monks having fulfilled their mission were rewarded with a well-deserved eternal rest, and without them praying and maintaining the whole thing, the energy depleted or went back to the goddess, and without such energy, all the sheikah stuff that was made from clay and pottery just had accelerated 10k years of decay. And why the subject is barely mentioned in-game because people moves on quickly and currently have a new disaster to worry about. Your theory is the most spiritually beautiful and makes the more sense within this canon mess that Nintendo always does.
Honestly, i'll headcanon your theory! It's soo good.
That does make sense. Since in the opening scenes of TOTK, when you first gain control of Link. He has all hearts and all three stamina wheels. So they decaying and rusting away would make complete sense since the game implies you have done/or will do a 100% run in BOTW. Love that theory.
This makes sense. The monks disappeared once they passed on their spirit orb to Link. Perhaps once Calamity Ganon was defeated, most of the Sheikah tech was designed to do this. Just disappear into energy.
If we also assume what sheika tech is an improved version of zonai tech, we have interesting implications.
zonai tech's main drawback is the usage of zonaite itself. it is inherently unstable, breaking itself after usage of energy. There are some zonite construct that seems to have a long lifespan, but it seems to implicate that these techs are very once-used product or something.
If large portion of the zonai tech did not survive the decay of time and shieka tech was a half-reversed engineered product of the leftover, we can say the sheika monks have found a way to extend this very shelf life. if the product decays after it's energy usage. why not feed the energy of the soul to sustain the technology indefinitely?
This must be a reason why the monks were preserved to be living indefinitely untill the soul energy was given to the hero of legend.
after the soul energy gone, just like zonai tech, they disappeared. This also could be the reason why sheika tech could be hijacked by malice. it was designed to use soul energy, so it was weak to bad soul energy's hijacking.
If we know these are decayed into thin air and also leftover could be destroyed on purpose to stop second demise happening, we can assume the following: before it decayed and disappeared into thin air, purah and others reverse engineered the remaining product, including the sheika slate, to be more resistant to soul hijacking. however due to the already lost technology, their new invention made using reverse engineering knowledge is not exact copy, rather inferior version of the original.
I miss the ancient arrows and guardians. They were kinda huge symbols of the botw world.
Facts I miss them. Lets hope some type of dlc brings them back!
Ancient arrows ARE in the game but you need to make significant story progress to get them, you can even farm them if you have enough zonaite.
There's a guardian on top of the Hateno lab, but that's about it
I found reference to all the shieka tech, if you go to kakariko village in Paya’s room, you can find the picture of the guardians and the divine beasts, along with the towers.
So it’s very likely that they were deconstructed.
It honestly makes sense that the shrines and towers were dismantled especially when you realize there are holes into the underground where shrines used to be (remember that the shrine challenges take place under the shrines themselves)
That sounds more like they all spontaneously exploded as soon as Ganon was fully released.
I think on a technical perspective to prevent too much space and lag for the game they removed the assets to save on space.. even though they probably could have kept the Devine beasts and resurrection chamber.
it would make sense to have 1 or 2 broken shrines at least
You wanna lag the game? Go say hi to the dragons
Seeing as how in TOTK the mural in Impas hut still has the guardians and the Devine beasts, they must have just dismantled everything.
That only makes sense for the living gaurdians tho. The decayed ones lying around from 100's of years ago should still be there.
@@Sqwivig why would it not make sense for the dead guardians? If the reason they deconstructed the guardians is to learn more about the ancient technology or for spare parts, wouldn't it make more sense to deconstruct all of them? Including the dead ones?
@giraffe_boi2330 how the heck did Zelda and the shiekah find labor to do ALL of that? Kakariko isn't a large city, and even though it doesn't seem like people are starving how did she (Zelda) get others to help her? Like, there are building materials just laid out everywhere in the kingdom, not being used and Hudson is in charge of all of that, none of this makes sense lol, just slopped together with so many gaping holes Nintendo just doesn't freaking care about the world.
The fact that the towers used by Purah look like they are made of guardian parts might be a good clue as to where they went. When it comes down to it the divine beasts were just really big guardians.
I think the fact purah SAYS they deconstructed it so Ganon couldn't use it again if he came back is in the game leads me to think that's what happened
Dude when did she say that I must've missed it
Yeah, I don't recall her saying that either. When was it?
More like she wanted it for scrap parts for her inventions.
Does she say that? I don’t remember it..
She doesn’t say actually say that
In Korok Forest, one of the koroks actually makes a reference to the old shrines. So they definitely once existed and it's maybe best to assume it was all scraped for some alternative use, but it never happened thanks to the upheaval event.
There is a line that Rahru says from one of the 12 years that Zelda was never originally meant to be in his timeline, but was sent back for a reason. Pura says that as soon as the upheaval started, the geoglyphs appeared out of no where, and the light dragon was not in the first game. It points to a rubber-banding fix to a paradox.
The Light Dragon was nowhere to be seen in Breath of the Wild because it was constantly flying above the _invisible_ Cloud Barrier that the 3 elemental dragons fly through after finishing their respective flying routes. The events of both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are part of a closed timeloop with events in the past caused by events in the future. Both games's events were predetermined to happen as part of a divine plan set by the Golden Goddesses.
Also Kohga said that link was the one who sent him into the depths, and we truly did in botw. What else is in the depths, is the fire temple where the secret stone of the sage of fire waits with zonai constructs guarding it and all the abandoned zonai mines. That means it was all there when botw happened but ofc it was all out of our sight. No paradox here, its simple time traveling
@@javiervasquez625 There's probably a reason the light dragon stayed up there but not gonna say since its spoilers
My biggest issue with totk lore is the implication the zonai were rhe founders of hyrule which contradicts skyward sword so hard it feels like its gonna split the timeline again
Simply what if the sheikah tech went to a different realm, we've seen what the ancient arrows do to animals, like zap them into nothing like it's a portal or something, we know where are other realms in Zelda, why couldn't they have just done that to shrines or the shrines do that to themselves
A bit too cruel for that to be case lol imagine being an adorable little deer walking carefree through the woods then suddenly some evil elfboy comes along throws you to another universe to an uncertain fate. Not even the Goddesses would this cruel to allow that to happen.
@@javiervasquez625 Idk, if the goddess is a tri-omni god, then she was cruel enough to make sure everything happened. She literally flooded all of hyrule at one point.
@@botarakutabi1199 They flooded it to save the world from Ganondorf after Zelda was too obsessed with a literal manchild to live his childhood instead of allowing him to live a carefree life for a few years before letting him have kids and be an adult. The Goddesses DO care about what happens to the world to let some elfboy to send living beings to a parallel universe.
@@javiervasquez625 Flooding a world is a shit way to save people imo. Unless the Goddess Hylia is just powerful enough to flood everything, but not powerful enough to just stop evil.
@@botarakutabi1199 The Golden Goddesses have a "no interfere with physical world" policy which is why they ended up flooding Hyrule after the people prayed to them to "do something" when a descendant of the Hero of Time didn't show up to save the day. Since Ganondorf is a mortal man (not a demon or god) they always leave the demon fighting to Link and Zelda who share Ganondorf's mortality.
I wish we had a few secret guardian boss fights that just showed up after Ganondorf was defeated, maybe like 5, but they were all around the base of Hyrule Castle where the old spiars jutted out of the ground
The ancient Shieka tech is referenced in Totk though. They quite literally name drop Van Medoh and since Purah says that they broke down all the Sheika tech in her diary I'm fairly certain that that meant all of it. Regarding why ancient furnaces are no longer required: Purah and Robbie no longer wanted to rely on the failing power source so they changed power sources.
I like to think they incorporated the ancient furnace tech into their buildings so they don't have to constantly travel across a sometimes monster infested field just to restore power.
Sidon also mentions his sisters death and misses her.
Zelda also built a monument in the ruins of castle town with a silent princess saying “dedicated to all the souls lost during the calamity”
I found a 2nd 1 of those infront of some ruins nw of hyrule aswell.
You can find those in a lot of notable locations from the calamity and botw such as fort hateno or next to the great plateau
One detail that hasn't been mentioned is that the guardian on the roof of the hateno research lab is still there, along with some pieces of guardian scouts
The only ones using the Ancient tech is Purah and Robbie. They had to rebuild the towers since Gabon destroyed the places they once stood, a chasm entrance at each one.
I am glad that this game has merged with zonai, and sheikah
Kind of half hope we get a third game where Link is thrown into the far future of Hyrule to contend with some future evil. exploring further magitek and stuff. And we see Purah in the far future because having manipulated her age like she has, granted her some form of immortality.
YES!!!! Thank you for doing a video on this!! It was one of the first thing I noticed. After some of my own searching, I noticed an old in tact FULL guardian strapped to the top of the old lab in Hateno. I ALSO noticed the full scroll of the guardian attack (the four beasts in the corners) - it's in the bedroom of the main building in Kakariko!!!
Pretty likely that this is proof that the Sheikah technology was ultimately disassembled by Purah to help in her own technology and the reconstruction of Hyrule.
@@javiervasquez625 totally agreed - this absolutely lines up with bits and pieces dropped throughout the dialogue, as well. So many hidden gems in this game.
There is actually a mention of Vah Medoh that I remember clearly during one of the shrine quests in Rito village, and the tapestry that depicts the first Calamity is still present. While I do wonder where the Sheika stuff went, I don't think it was erased.
The time manipulation theory is easy to disprove, since there is a history class quest all about the calamity, also we still see impas painting of the calamity in impas house and there is still the hole in hebra mountain and so on ....
If you go to where the ancient hateno tech lab is you can find a deactivated guardian on top of the tower along with several guardian heads. So it’s implied that purah and Robbie took the sheikah tech apart
Those were in botw
Hello, i am here to spread a theory i did not make but i saw somewhere
Sheikah tech can be downloaded and teleported as seen in aoc, so they just turned the shrines and towers into data to be repurposed later, the chasms below the shrines originated from poor stability after the underground shrines were stored, same with the guardians, all for fear of them turning against them again
Well they actually teach the history of the Calamity in the school in Hateno. So it definitely did happen. I think they just deconstructed and decommissioned everything Sheikah related so the calamity would not happen again.
But in the castle town ruins there is a stone that says something like "I dedicate this to anyone who lost their lives to the calamity
I don’t do much care as to getting it back or anything. But more so I want an explanation from the game. Like… seriously. They ditch the sheikah slate for the purha pad? Like… it does the same thing but less features. The slate at lest looked original too where the pad is literally a switch which kinda takes me out of it.
Then there is the fact that even if all the tech rusted away… how? We saw guardian corpses eeeeverywhere that managed to last for 100 years. Now 4 years passed and everything is gone? I highly doubt they managed to clean everything up if the research gang was destroying it all. After all they had bigger things ti worry about than to make sure every small scrap was gone. Like a kingdom to rebuild. If the tech itself made itself go away after completing their purpose, you still had dead unpowered guardians that would have been left behind
The new towers just feel of as to why they built them when the old towers also did the same thing. If anything they did it better since they didn’t need to launch someone into the air with a camera and just installed the data of the area. Why is it all their tech got downgraded for the stuff they replaced it with? We know the sheikah could make better versions of the stuff since purha upgraded runes and Robbie’s furnace for better equipment are clear examples of them improving on the original designs.
I have so many questions as to why it’s all gone and how. And the game answers none of it in favor for the zonai replacing everything. And it’s hard to say it’s an AU because they mention the calamity after all and the champs still exist, that could only happen if there was sheikah tech
My thoughts exactly. They should still be around! Sure the upheaval perhaps sent a few of them into the chasms but if anything I would think that they would experiment on reverse engineering and combining Sheikah and Zonai tech not treat it as if it doesn't exist.
@@andresmarrero8666 my biggest frustration with this so far was the shrine of resurrection. Your telling me they scrapped off every inch of the walls too? A lot of that wasn’t tech, it was literally the construction of the ceiling and floors. And somehow they got that too. Not to mention the 5th divine beast there. Unless the dlc wasn’t cannon or something
@@latios3874 I heard about that and it indeed makes no sense. That's an entire structure of which there is no reason to dismantle it. Besides there is too much lingering tech for them to dismantle in four years and it doesn't make much sense to do so. I don't the gloom attack destroyed them because being buried in rock and ten thousand years didn't affect them not to mention the Zonai constructs aren't affected. It would make sense if the gloom attack forcibly shut Sheikah down and made it inoperable hence the need for the new towers and the Purah Pad despite being downgrades.
I want this to be addressed with Link asking what happened to the Divine Beasts and some NPC telling him that the chasms swallowed them up and now they can't reach them because of all the gloom so they are hoping that planting a bunch of anti-gloom flowers will help them reach the darn divine beasts. This could even involve a quest line or mini-adventure where they not only get a guardian to work but modify it with Zonai tech and anti-gloom flower extract, and after it is completed you see them throughout the tunnels and going in and out of the chasms. At least give us some sensible explanation.
Dude I’m with you. Preach. I don’t feel crazy now. ❤
It bothers me so much that the champions aren’t mention by name much at all. All I’ve found is Mipha’s court, the sculpture of Daruk in goron city and each weapon wielded by the champions
Purah talks about it in her journal she still has her anti aging runes and Robbie has his bag still
I think the simplest answer possible is that Nintendo didn't want to clutter the world with useless objects and confuse new players who didn't play BOTW. Characters don't mention this stuff because for new players its irrelevant and for old players its also irrelevant because they already know it. Zelda changing the past doesn't make sense because based off of Ganondorf's dialogue in the intro prior to Zelda going into the past it suggests that the time loop already happened.
This is the reason, as sad as it is. TOTK basically invalidates everything we did in BOTW, just so new players don't get confused. They even said so in one of the interview parts that were published the days prior to the launch.
@@mitahen2231 nintendo's story and lore has always been weak, partially thanks to miyamoto. Even zelda games, which are better about it, don't link together well if at all without serious handwaving
The past was never changed as it was already preordained to happen before the Era of the Wild even came to be. The Zelda universe works in a predetermined way where the future is already written and the all the characters are puppets on strings carrying out "actions" which inevitably lead to preordained consequences beyond their control as seen in Skyward Sword with Old Impa been introduced already carrying the armband Zelda gives her at the end of the game. Everything that happens in Breath of the Wild happened because of Tears of the Kingdom making both games in the Era of the Wild a closed timeloop just like in the case of Skyward Sword.
@@mitahen2231 That's honestly my biggest gripe with this game. I feel like the year I spent playing BOTW was all for nothing and everything I did to save Hyrule didn't even have an impact. Yet this game is supposed to take place 2 years after the events of BOTW. And yet the characters act as if it never happened!? But some characters DO remember the events of BOTW!? What!? HOW!? Did BOTW happen or didn't it!? WTF NINTENDO 😡
@@Sqwivig There's a 6 year timeskip between Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom as proven by Hudson's daughter Mattison looking over 5 years of age. 6 years is more than plenty of time for the many NPCs to forget about the elfkid they met a long time ago hence why they all act as if they never met you in Tears of the Kingdom.
I’m fine with the idea that they just dismantled and cannibalized all the tech, I just wish that given such a drastic change to the world that leaves a lot of unanswered questions that they’d have changed more things about the world outside of that. It would’ve been cool if they’d expanded on a lot of the settlements, adding a bunch of features that utilize a bunch of repurposed Sheikah tech, and just in general had things rebuilt in the time between games like imagine if castle town had started to be rebuilt instead of just having lookout landing. Like imply that things have started to return to a state of normalcy prior to the upheaval instead of basically being the same broken world with this one major glaring change
Why doesn’t Hestu seem to recognize or remember Link and is surprised Link can see him. I think this is an alternate timeline where some calamity happened, but it wasn’t calamity Ganon, Link never slept for 100 years and the guardians were never built. Maybe BotW is a fallen timeline where Rauru failed and the Sheikah had to imprison Ganon.
I think its because, technically, you could have beaten botw without ever talking to Hestu. It seems only NPCs who had a direct impact on Links quest remember him.
It’s interesting to think about what side quests link did canonically
Easy after the events of BOTW they made went back into the ground and the remaining tech was used to build the new towers and new style furnace. Like the one used in the beginning of the game when they turn it on they took the furnace and turn it into a boiler style. Because if you look at the switch it connects to a furnace style boiler ?
I’m more of the opinion that the game is taking place in a closed time loop. When reading the character profiles for some of the characters, it mentions certain characters helping link during the Calamity. Not only that but if no sheikah tech existed, then Link would not be 100 years after the Calamity. My thoughts are Zelda went back in time, inadvertently influenced the Zonai shrines existing which inspired the sheikah. The Sheikah then made their tech based off those shrines and the divine beasts after the sages, and the goal was to push back and seal Ganon until the time came for the Demon King to be vanquished.
So, the Sheikah shrines wouldn’t have existed without Zelda. The other reason I think this since it wasn’t confirmed, is why did Rauru make the shrines if he personally did not need them?
It is a closed timeloop as proven through all of Zelda's memories so you're right on that. I believe Rauru made the Shrines simply because he was _told_ to make them by the Goddesses "whispering" to him through his long ears (according to the scholar Shad in Twilight Princess long ears allow one to hear the messages from the gods). Basically put Rauru was ordered by the goddesses to carry out events which would lead into both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom as part of a divine plan set out by the Golden Goddesses.
@@javiervasquez625 That lore about long ears is actually much older and dates all the way back to the instruction manual for A Link to the Past. It's great that they remember little details like that and bring them forward often.
@@QuasarEE Nice i didn't remember that it also appeared in the manual of A Link to the Past. That means the Zonai might indeed be the "God Tribe" mentioned in the japanese translation of Skyward Sword who were at war with Demise's Demon Tribe. I can only imagine what we'll learn in a future DLC/sequel to the game.
Honestly between the Sheikah Slates ability to store a lot of things and being able to teleport things it's not hard to imagine that Link was tasked with going around Hyrule at some point to store as much guardian scrap he could find, the shrines sunk into the ground since they no longer serve a purpose, towers were obviously scrapped and repurposed with the new ones. Watch the DLC show us that Purah is just storing all four Divine Beasts in a Sheikah Slate until they can figure out what to do with them.
They do kinda mention the calamity when Zelda talk to Rauru or minaru when Zelda talks about link being an appointment knight that was supposed to protect her, she mentions him saving hyrule and carrying the sword that seals the darkness
Tears of the kingdom beats around the bush about the calamity but it is somewhat mentioned
Some of the characters also mention stuff like fighting with Link before, joining teams again, Link saving the world previously, etc. I think they don't want it to seem too familiar because of new players feeling out of loop or confused. And like, Zelda and Link set out on a huge journey to restore the kingdom. Maybe it's not directly said but we know it was the calamity.
Theory. Local villagers knocked down a tower in an act of gratuitous vengeance, and to Purah and Robbie's surprise, this knocked out the local guardians when their network went down. The shrines lost their connections to the extra dimension their innards occupied in the same event, and thus underwent a rapid disassembly when they dismantled the rest of the network. The divine beasts were most likely cannibalised for their parts, Ruta living on as an irrigation project somewhere in the gerudo desert for example.
Adding AoC to the mix, and you can see even more paradoxical theories about things
I would say that the shieka trials after testing the hero, desintegrated or just whent down and crumbled.
The 4 trials on the great platoe are now chasms. Almost as if malice sweped in trough the holes left by the shrine elevators.
And the shrine of resurection has a pool of healing water wich shows there is still remaining power on that place.
I would say its a mix between being desintegrated ( trials) and diamantled with some tech being burried.
Maybe the lack of power made the tech start to rust faster and faster. And some parts were salvaged and used to reconstruct tech and adapt to other power sources.
And it will be payed dlc. Fans want shieka tech too much, they need to ad some of it back in the dlc and offer a bether explanation
DLC explaining some of the missing skeikah tech would be pretty nice. Getting weapons from it back once again would be cool, like imagine it: Zonai and Skeikah weapons fused together.
It is the lack of a proper explanation that is driving people nuts I think. I don't see entire structures being dismantled or them being particularly vulnerable to the gloom when they stood unaffected for 10,000 years. Frankly it makes more sense to modify the Guardians to make sure that possession wouldn't happen the next time perhaps by incorporating Zonai tech.
They could of melted with the monks all gone.
Them taking down the technology makes a lot of sense actually.
Vah Megoh's ( bird megazord) perch still has its name in Rito Village in Tears of the Kingdom. Idk what happened to all the sheikah tech, but the events of BotW still took place.
Melted
- there is more than one memorial from Zelda.
Also, the mural from BotW is in Paya’s room.. so no, this is not a retcon. In fact, if I recall, the tech cannot be seen anywhere in the BotW ending, like it’s been washed clear of the landscape. And considering that it all just popped up from the ground, it’s pretty safe to say it just … went back after it’s purpose had been served. Or hey- maybe they got destroyed when the Upheaval happened?
But a retcon? Nah. That’s really silly
Can't have a Zelda timeline if it's straight forward
This 100% 😂
Wouldn't surprise me if some time travel hijinks created a split path. Zelda has always loved playing with time travel since I want to say Ocarina of Time.
There is a place where we can see a decayed gardian and decayed guardian parts, the Hateno Laboratory near Purah's room.
What is also weird is...why is Ganondorf appearing back during the founding of Hyrule? If the imprisoning war Zelda mentioned in the beginning could be the same from A link to the past, why is it stating that it took place at the founding of Hyrule? Hyrule was already established, and had a castle during the downfall timeline, unless it's a different imprisoning's war.
Botw and totk by extension haven’t been placed into a single timeline by Nintendo or any theory crafters bc it has direct and literal references from every Zelda game. For every theory I make to place it in one of the timelines there’s 30 other theory why your wrong, for example the 3 levithan skeletons being in the same game doesn’t make sense, having all armor and correct lore for items from other games in the same game
(fierce deity, majoras mask, hero of the woods or whatever his old old outfit is called, phantom armor, ZORAS AND RITOS COEXISTENCE)
A common theory people usually go with is that this timeline is either the end and conjoined timeline of all timelines or that it’s outside the main ones and a new one. And a really interesting theory that try’s to explain why it connects all timelines brings in hyrule warriors as to why there’s so much timeline leakages
So trying to use any evidence from any of the established timelines is like patching a sinking ship with 5ply toilet paper
@@Strip4Dreezy Something that the devs said, that they were breaking the conventions of the series with Breath of the Wild and in turn, Tears of the Kingdom, it would mean that gameplay wouldn't be the only thing broken, but also the in-universe timeline. Spoilers ahead:
Put it this way, if Ganondorf appeared right after Skyward Sword which in the timeline was when Hyrule was founded, and was then sealed away, then how would he have appeared in Ocarina of Time?
This has me believe that this part of the Zelda franchise is far detatched from the franchise's timeline, that it isn't part of it at all.
@@BlazingPhoenixGames unfortunately that seems correct, even the earliest events of the totk flashbacks are after every other game in the series
You have to remember that the Breath of Wild Era is Confirmed to at least Takes Place After Ocarina of time... At least after the End of the Child time line or the Decline time line.
It's extremely unlikely that the Adult timeline is involved because a new hyrule is already been established by Link and Tetra. Ganondordlf is turned to stone and the master's sword is gone.. Meanwhile the The triforce Likely returned to the sacred realm.
This 2 games in the Era of the Wild are a _soft reboot_ taking place thousands of years AFTER the end of the 3 timelines in a _new_ kingdom of Hyrule founded by Sonia and the Zonai Rauru. The Ganondorf seen in this game is a _reincarnation_ just like his predecessor from Four Swords Adventures.
The tech never existing doesn't hold up with the existence of the Divine beast Helmets you can get, because characters WILL comment on it and mention the divine beasts
Like I’m HOPING?? They do a dlc with Shieka tech.. But I never ever understood how they never mentioned calamity Ganon being the demon king. Like wasn’t Ganon’s malice form just gloom or his hatred seeping out? I’m so confused by the lore. And if Skyward Sword is in the mix too, how does Sonia fit in to the Hylia cycle. Or.. ughh my brain.
The Calamity Ganon was ganonsdorfs evil fury which was escaping from the sealing. Zelda was stronge enough to seal this escaping energy for 100 years. And after 100 years Link defeated this evil energy. Ganonsdorf was sealed under the Hyrule Castle all alonge but no one knew it.
I just assumed people didn't want the giant robots that killed their people 100 years ago just chillin
Time manipulation is not an option because there is still a decayed guardian in top of the hateno lab, and in impa’s house in kakariko there is still the calamity war mural from 10,000 years ago
Yes, but it could also mean that because of time meddling, now the zonai are the forerunners of tech instead of the sheikah. Which means that all the tech is now credited to the zonai.
I felt like nintendo could be setting up an expansion that relate to all the missing ancient sheikah tech, but I'm more interested in the lore implication of the tribe and how it relates to the zonai since both have advance technology I wonder if they are related or not.
there a quest in heteno village in the school where it litterty tells you about the events of btow so the fact they same to forget or is a diffrent time or universe cant be
i really like the game a the story (even if the story might conflict with the lore). One of the issues i have with it is it seems the Triforce doesn't matter anymore. In TOTK its the powerful Secret Stones instead of the Triforce. As a average Zelda fan when i think of the Legend of Zelda games i think of the Master Sword, Zelda, Link, and the Triforce.
the other issue i have is the Imprisoning War. does that mean BOTW and TOTK are in the downfall timeline? some things this game's story shows doesn't match up with the Imprisoning War the Zelda books talk about. So that make me wonder if Nintendo is following the Marvel path. You know how Marvel has a multiverse? Like the new movie Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse which shows different spiderman's from different universes. Maybe the BOTW and TOTK are not part of the Zelda timeline we know from the books. maybe BOTW and TOTK have their own timeline in a different universe. Does that make sense?
Or maybe they are just going to retcon the entire Zelda franchise.
Both Era of the Wild games are a _soft reboot_ of the franchise taking place thousands of years after the 3 timelines ended with a new kingdom of Hyrule founded by Sonia and Rauru and a _reincarnation_ of Ganondorf replacing the ones last seen in the Era of Myth. This is a fresh start for the franchise as the timelines converge into a single one once more.
All the Zelda games were never in a timeline together until very recently, except for a few obvious cases, and they just slapped them together. Nintendo doesn’t even treat them that way, they just make new games that broadly tell the same story with variants on the same characters.
Don’t get caught up in it except for fun.
When Zelda used her sacred power, the Triforce lit up on her hand. Also, the Triforce is still represented by the personalities of the three main characters: Link represents the courage, Zelda represents the wisdom, and Ganondorf represents the strength.
@@javiervasquez625 Ah thank you for saying this. I know the timeline is convoluted and the only reason they did an "official" one is because people kept insisting. That said, I love the lore. I love that in Twilight Princess, you wear OoT Links clothes. I like that Skyward Sword explains the birth of everything. I like how WW, OoT, and TP Ganondorf were all the same reborn villain, centuries apart, I like how all the stories fit together. Was feeling like TotK shredded that lol. But if we remember from Skyward Sword, Demise did in fact curse himself, Link, and Zelda to repeat the cycle for eternity. I thought of it like "every game is a new cycle." With this being a soft reboot but also a much much grander cycle.
Instead of every game being a new cycle, they rebooted it to the very beginning again (sky people in the beginning this time = Zonai, a second imprisoning war).
This is a long comment sorry, but you don't know how happy you just made me lmao I can finally make it make sense.
@@WhoKilledLenny They didn't "reboot it to the very beginning again" though but simply fixed the 3 timelines problem by unifying them all into a single one via the Era of Myth as an easy way to continue making more games without the issue of "does it take place in this or that timeline?" been an issue in EVERY new Zelda game made after the Hyrule Historia made sense of the timeline. The Zonai being a divine race from the sky isn't a repeat of Skyward Sword as the people of Skyloft were strictly stated to be _humans_ were created in the _surface_ making them completley normal unlike the god-like Zonai who's existence is very much a mystery all the way to the end of Tears of the Kingdom.
Wathever similarities you think there is between the stories of both Skyward Sword and Tears of the Kingdom know that Nintendo is only _adding_ new Lore that is not in any way either repeating or replacing the old one seen in past games.
Hey. It's true that totk is almost completely stripped of the Sheikah stuff BUT there is a guardian's body sitting on top of the lab in Hateno. So they did exist.
My Theory about the Sheikah tech gone missing is being repurposed as seen with the towers, they salvaged the arms of the guardians and training units to reverse engineer in to something more controllable and easy to use, while retaining there few redesigned forms, like the legs and teleport pads, robbie old tech lab in Akkala, there still one unused guardian on the roof, there are few others but cant remember, I still new to the game despite I got so far in to it, anyway I don't think they forget about it, I believe they want to forget the past that killed many people because is terrifying, so much had died, so they are now using zonai tech to replace what was now gone to dust forever.
Once you complete the dragon's tears quest and the 5th sage quest Impa goes back to Kakariko and when you talk to her she does mention the calamity and Symin in Hateno village also does a lesson on the calamity with his students
From a technical standpoint, I think Nintendo simply didn't want to scatter the already cramped landscape with 120 now defunct shrines, towers and stuff. They would simply confuse new players and old players already know where everything is/was.
In game I think it simply stopped working and dissolved after the calamity was defeated. The shrines and towers especially were designed to help link regain his memory and power after 100 years and thus no longer needed after the events of BotW. And the rest was probably disassembled and repurposed into the new towers and the Purapad by Purah and Robbie.
The "Zelda changed the past" theory can be disproved by Ganondorf recognizing Zelda and Link at the start of the game, meaning he must have already encountered Zelda in the past, thus the time loop already existed.
Kass took it all and flew past the Gerudo highlands.
Damn bird.
It's called DLC that is why there is so many questions unanswered....
Maybe BotW and TotK are the only ones that are canon, and all of the older games are myths within that world. Like our myths, they include actual events that were explained to the best of the writer’s ability. That could explain why events from different timelines are directly mentioned in BotW.
The previous Zelda games could all just be stories passed through the generations, like fables or religions, and it was the Calamity 100 years before BotW that finally exposed Ganon as an actual entity. The myths were based on some truth, but no one knows that truth. They only know the mythology.
It seems the position of many of the sheikah shrines and towers have now become chasms, making it look very much like the tech used to be there
I hate how abrupt the whole disappearance of the Sheikah tech was in Totk since it played such a significant role in Botw.
if link was 16 in the last game then with american laws at least 5 years had to have past or 4 if we are going off of the legal drinking age in japan but link is able to drink alcohol in this game as shown in gerudo town
I think the entire explanation for the Sheikah tech disappearing is exactly this video's bio.
The elephant!
In BotW, in an end credit scene, Zelda says that they need to visit Zora's domain because Vah Rutah stopped working. What if, with the calamity gone and the spirits moving on, the sheikah technology served its purpose and stopped functioning?
The tapestry that shows the first calamity has the digine beasts on it. Its in Payas bedroom.
I like the idea that the towers and shrines went back into the ground and all weapon type tech was disassembled and used to create new things
Pura and Robbie may have needed to use more of it than the ancient sheka as the ancient sheka may have had help from the zonie or at least had more of their technology and manuscripts available to use in creating the original sheka tech
There is a side mission where you need to explain to aome kids the Calamity... So it happened, but the rear wasn't really explained
7:17 It's actually explained as part of the whole paradox with Zelda. In the memory where Zelda meets Rauru's sister.
Mineru asks to see the Purah pad and flat out says she'd like to try to reverse-engineer the teleport functionality. She manages this somewhere between then and Ganondorf's ascent to Demon King, and it's the primary reason anyone was able to escape after Sonia's death. It even keeps the same blue light in that cutscene that it's always been using. So going by that, even if there wasn't nearly enough Shiekah tech to study, there'd be the travel gates stationed outside the Zonai shrines to experiment with.
I just miss the ancient weapons you used to get from Robbie. That 2 handed ancient saw weapon we got was awesome! Really hope they bring guardians and the weapons back for DLC.
I miss the Guardians. They were so fun to fight, and the added random adrenaline when exploring created such unique encounters that we dont get in TOTK
It would be so nice if there somewhere is a dump of guardians. The pile at Robbie’s lab is covered over, which makes sense. It would also be great if there is a shrine that’s broken open. Every shrine have this giant room under them and it wouldn’t really do anything if you just destroyed the building above ground. The upheaval caused all of these chasms to open up, so there must be some shrines that was affected by it.
there’s a rundown guardian sitting on top of the hateno ancient tech lab, and the school side quest in hateno goes over the calamity in excruciating detail, including the fact that the beasts and everything were built by the sheikah.
Does it say she traveled "*a* millennium"? Because if so, then she's not all the way back to the first kingdom. Not even remotely close.
Nope she wasn't as she travelled to the Era of a _new Hyrule's_ foundation after the old ones disbanded in the Era of Myth. Sonia and Rauru are the first queen and king of a new incarnation of Hyrule.
@@javiervasquez625 okay so that makes more sense lol
i feel like point 1 makes the most sense, point 2 is pretty much denied by the game itself as purah has 4 more diarys around hyrule which talk about how she finished off her ageing rune for her sheika skate and used it one herself.
There is actually a guardian ruin on the hateno research lab its the only one ive found so far
I like your theory on alternative time lines, I haven’t thought of that angel yet… and it makes the most sense when trying to put the time line together
They could have left shrines and a few guardians scattered in some of the most remote regions at least, on some mountain top, in caves or something
What about the fact that theres a guardian tied to the top of Robbies Lab?
there is a reference to the divine beast where if you pick up a certain shrine quest in rito village the person mentions the top of rito village as “vah medohs perch”
So im not the only that thinks that BotW could be somehow in 2 seperate Timelines? As if the entire OG timeline has Botw at both?
basically BotW in the TotK timeline would have Zonai tech while the game we got in whatever timeline is got Shiekah tech.
Era of Myth is the OG timeline but a parallel reality timeline. Like Lorule and Hyrule.
Great video, really glad im not dumb thinking that too lmao
Isn't the whole point of Zelda's power that she always went back in time and always regenerated the Master Sword?
My theory regarding that is yes the survivors took their time over the 5 years to disassemble the ruin guards and all the other shiekah tech. Some of the shiekah towers are in spots now occupied by sky island structures and or made in chasms themselves so i think in practice even the Sheikah towers benign as they were (to link) were just smashed by the upheavel. As for the Sheikah shrines some of those shrines are straight replaced by the new shrines near by while others also got the twist treatment of either being disassembled by the hylians themselves or crushed under a stone
the first time i saw the trailer time alteration is the only thing i could ever think of. now knowing ganon is back in his actual form, i believe the time where zelda and link explored the castle ruins and awaken ganon that sets in the events of totk and reinvent a new timeline, and some kind of paradox.
The way I see it, Calamity Ganon was build-up energy stocked into Hyrule Castle's basement to develop and supply Sheika tech with energy. With time the accumulated said energy became sentient.This is why he was able to hijack guardians and divine beasts. Then when Ganon was defeated, all Sheika tech went obsolete. They then dissolved the way the Sheikahs inside the temple did. Just not sure if it disappeared because "mission accomplished" or because it shared the same essence as the Calamity.
The main hole in this theory is how the furnace comes in the story, but I find it quite pertinent.
Great video! I hope I'll be able to play TOTK sometime this summer :)
my main question is : where are the divin beast ? It’s litteraly some big machine and all so if they have destroyed them I’m sure it will be noticeable or at least we could see some broken part of the beast somewhere ? 🤔
At the end of BoTW DLC Zelda says one of them stopped working so it seems the idea is age finally caught up
Seems like Zeltik got some competition now. Love this video
I think that they will release a dlc that will hopefully go over some of that information of why a lack of shika tech and guardian bodies and maybe even have some rouge guardians that are uber powered by collecting malice over the years between games.
They usually good about attempting appeasing the fans that or we will get another hyrul warrior game to go over all that or make alternate reality again.
I think this time line works kinda like how endgames time travel worked where she’s not rewriting the past she’s moving forward in time back in time.
3:25 Actually, this has probably already been mentioned in the comments but, in Rito Village, they still call Vah Medoh’s Perch, well, Vah Medoh’s Perch.