Game Theory Rejected My Sonic Timeline
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- When I worked at Game Theory, I cracked the Sonic the Hedgehog timeline. They rejected it.
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The amount of people who completely missed me explicitly saying that this timeline only goes to 2016 is baffling. I literally don't know how I could have made that more clear. 😂
I just like how Thawnic is now something everyone agrees is a thing.
IT WAS ME KNUCKLES!
Maybe make a part 2 of the timeline?
Even if it only goes up to 2016, Forces has wisps from both Sonic Colors (Wii and DS) and Sonic Lost World (Wii U and 3DS) meaning that they are canon as well at the same time. Another example is TSR. Its canon since Sonic Drift is in the timeline. In one of the tracks, we can see that the wisp mother appears, but she's only available in DS Colors, so it also means it is canon. I love the two timelines idea, but it think its more for Classic and Modern.
@@secoTheSonicFan
Aka Earth, Earth is Sonic's planet
I can't believe you didn't include Sonic Dreams remastered 2024 edition. How could you, tsk tsk tsk.
Could you imagine how crazy this would be if he made the script after Mania and Forces
Sounds like a challenge to me
Not crazy enough, I can imagine. In my opinion, sonic has two pasts but only one future, because the events of Generations were actually Genesis Sonic merging realities back together with SEGASonic, who is also Mania sonic. The timeline being eaten by Time Eater had resulted from a grandfather paradox by the future creation of the 06 time machine, which caused sonic's world to encroach into the spacetime of Blaze's world. This can be depicted on a graph, as entering a loop-de-loop where the timeline turns to go backwards during the duration that sonic's world replaces Blaze's world, and that loop is where the SEGASonic, Game Gear and pontac/graff stuff all happens, and GUN doesn't exist.
Also the loop-de-loop is the replacement of the future with Iblis, but created from the mass stolen from Blaze's world. This isn't based on "many worlds" theory but more the conservation of mass theory, so blowing out the Flame of Iblis is truly the creation of that callback timeline, like Mania's fanservice. In Generations cutscenes, you can see how Shadow and Silver are added back into the timeline so they can appear in Forces despite not being there in the opening cutscene. This is because we follow ONLY Mania Sonic (grown up) in the beginning, but BOTH Sonics fused as the younger Mania Sonic goes back in time. After that they talk as Modern Sonic/Genesis Sonic in Forces, correcting the the discrepancy what dimension Classic Sonic comes from. "Same" AND "different" are correct.
Blaze then has her own wacky timeline where she meets both Classic and Modern Sonics at different ages without fully realizing they're not the same, until her seemingly final appearance (by her timeline) where she actually plots to delete the "false" Sonic in Sonic 06, attempting to PREVENT destruction of HIS timeline. There's some pretty careful retconning of her ACTUAL lines, by me, to make it all fit, but it does play pretty nicely. Ultimately she doesn't have the heart to, in her understanding, delete the future of poor naive Silver, by Silver's own hand. That's the meaning of Blaze's ending in 06, trying to get that burden taken off of her shoulders, but ending up sacrificing herself. Where she goes from there, well, I have strands of plot left to connect with future games or my own fanfics.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 And now she drives a race car in a pocket dimension made by a tanuki car salesman.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 that's the most complicated thing i've heard in ages
Love it
Yeah! Where are they? This was made in 2022; Forces and Mania were released in 2017.
I had thought of a timeline split being a factor in the timeline due to the events of Generations and the fact that Mania seemingly takes place at the same time as Sonic 4, but I hadn't even considered that Little Planet's time travel could cause one as well. That is a really interesting idea.
How do you know it takes place at the same time as sonic 4?
@@fxailing1201 Because sonic tails and knuckles all know each other and sonic aand knuckles arent enemies so you could easily assume it takes place after sonic 3&k. The sonic 4 series of games also take place after sonic 3&k so while we dont know if the time they both take place in is around the same amount of time away from s3k we do know that they both take place after.
This theory honestly does make sense of the whole “another dimension” deal with classic sonic, but only slightly, since sonic still says “it’s been generations since I’ve seen you!” Which implies classic sonic we knew of before is from the same timeline, just in the past. Or maybe both classic Sonics were same, just before and after the time split? Honestly who knows. I’d love for sega to make an official timeline for the games at some point
@@flamingoodness4923 no mania sonic is from a different timeline and I'm pretty sure the different dimension thing is a translation. Error
@@flamingoodness4923 classic sonic tails, and eggman getting scooped up into the fray of generations created a split timeline when they returned , making them from another reality (often misidentified as "another dimension" as scifi often does).
3:44 for those curious. Ken Penders used to work for the archie comics sonic series. During said time he created over 200 characters. Years later after the lost brotherhood came out he sued saying Shade the echidna was too similar to one of his characters... that he created for sega. During the lawsyit sega trusted archie could handle it but turns out Kenders' contract was missing and may (or may not) have been stolen by him. So Sega cant use any echidna or characters from archie such as Scourge and Geoffry st. Johns (who was penders oc insert) because Kenders may end up suing. This is only the tip of the iceberg of Ken penders bullshit however.
How much evidence is there that points to him stealing his own contract? I haven’t heard of that until now, and if that’s true then he should probably be in jail right?
@@AmbushBug522 You'd have to prove he did it first. And the whole point is that, since he stole it, there's no evidence of where his contract is.
@@AmbushBug522 there isn’t much evidence, but asking the questions, “Why would a company lose a contract?” (They likely wouldn’t unless they went out of business) and “Why would someone steal their own contract?” (They got fired from a job they liked, and it would make it difficult to get their characters back), it’s obvious that he stole it. The only reason that he can’t be criminally charged is because the American criminal justice system doesn’t run on critical thinking (even though it would *really* help if it did slightly).
Actually, Sega just can't use the Nocturnus Clan. If anything, I think this helped the comics become more creative in combining details- it's possible a mix of the Worlds Unite and Archie's own wants to be for YA audiences that shut down the comic.
Do I prefer the reboot's world over IDW? Yes. But both IDW and Reboot Archie embrace the games.
@@amesstarline5482 No, archie cannot use ken pender's charcters without licensing and paying to do so according to him and sega has referenced the Nocturnus before in other media like the encyclospeedia. If they couldnt use them in anything it stands to reason they wouldnt have used them in that. They most likely dont use them not becaues of legal obligation but because of the legal mess they caused as well as the fact they were from a bioware collaboration game that sold horribly, reviewed horribly, came out during a period that sonic had a lot of less well remembered games, and because bioware has since been bought up by EA. They're most likely not canon because of how much of a mess it'd be to keep them canon for how little that'd benefit the series. They have nbo reason to revisit anything from that game ESPECIALLY with that cliff hanger.
I thought it was common knowledge that Sonic 3 takes place VERY shortly after Sonic 2, with the Death Egg being destroyed and plummeting into Angel Island. Hard to imagine any game could take place in between them.
True
Yes, for this reason I put sonic CD after Sonic 3&K somewhere between Sonic Adventure
Also, in Sonic 2 the Death Egg fall in Angel Island, if this is the case, is imposible to Sonic have adventures with Eggman like Sonic CD or Sonic Chaos because Eggman just forget the death egg and then he want to fix because yeah, don't have any sense
As someone that has been watching since your days in the Game Theory channel, this really was a throwback! Great video!
Cool
Honestly, it's disappointing that this was rejected by Game Theory, cause this is the exact kinda video I want from them on the topic of Sonic. ^^;
Now that the Sonic 2 Movie is coming out, can't wait for theory 4 or 5 on Sonic's speed.
Ooo, maybe he'll talk about how strong Knuckles is or give a second video to Tails' flight.
You know, rather than covering anything actually interesting about Sonic. -3-
small problem with your timeline, somewhere in sonic unleashed amy tells sonic they're going on a date after they save the world and in black knight in the post credits amy gets mad at him for forgetting their date, black knight should be AFTER unleashed and not before. this is incredibly small and so far my only problem with the timeline
There could have been more than one date.
@@Diamonddeath i could of sworn I've seen you somewhere
But they do take place after.
He did put them after Unleashed on his timeline.
@@TheStrongestofToday. Oh? Where?
When you think about it, the true sonic timeline is the friends we made along the way
oh hi smash bracket, it's the power of friendship we made
Oh Lord, that statement has never been more accurate.
When they said "Everything is canon" that, as you demonstrated, doesn't mean one timeline. Sonic is established as a multiverse traveller in quite a few games.
Does that mean Sonic.exe is canon? 😂
@@comixproviderftw_02 Yes and No, the sonic twitter sonic.exe is canon, not creepypasta.
Yup, Canon ≠ Continuity. It all exists in a multiverse somewhere.
And wouldn't you know it, the Sonic Netflix series follows up on that idea lol
@@Syiepherze Netflix series?
I’m glad to you have some gaming fun and talking about other passions. I love a good timeline.
Also thank you for entertaining and I’ll taking inspiration from this.
Hmm, I’m taking note of this because I have timeline inconsistency myself because I without knowing split and now combining all my variants back together. Strange Supreme Style abit.
Wish me luck and Happy April Fools Day.
Commenting 44 minutes prior to premiere, no shot GT rejected it
April's Fool, yeah.
“Encyclospeedia” is a top-tier word.
The time travel in Sonic CD is exclusive to Little Planet. The boss fight with Metal Sonic taking place in the Bad Future only establishes that canonically Sonic saved Little Planet by collecting the Time Stones instead of individually making a good future on each act and zone. The only thing that changes with the Bad Future is that Eggman's machines keep Little Planet stuck above Never Lake, the whole point of that adventure is Little Planet's future, there can't be a timeline split if we know there's a canonical ending and the non canonical one does not change anything.
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What
No need to get so political
I came here with a good knowledge of which Sonic game is after which, came out more confused than ever.
"Oh crap I forgot Sonic Riders."
So did Sega.
Great job Drake. Too bad almost EVERYTHING was ruined because of Sonic Forces/Sonic Mania retconning Generations.
as someone who is unaware. How do Forces/Mania retcon generations?
@@TheAxmore
In Forces, both Tails and Modern Sonic stated Mania/Classic Sonic is from another dimension, also stating that is the second time they meant.
It's also been officially confirmed by Sonic Team that anything starring Classic Sonic has nothing to do with Modern version; and that Mania is the "true" sequel to Sonic 3&K.
@@ligtningdog6399 huh interesting. I'd willfully ignore the Forces bit because everything about that game is hot trash but the bit of mania info does still seal the deal
I remember loving your videos on the Game Theory channel and I continued to follow you thanks to the MCU making me very very curious about Comic Book lore and origins, but as a big all time Sonic fan this was super enjoyable to watch and I'm really happy you defied the UA-cam algorithm by making a video about a videogame series you're passionate about!
3:43 Hurray! More videos on the oddly specific topic of comic lawsuits!
This was actually a good April fool's day video!
“Oh crap I forgot Sonic Riders”
So did Sega apparently
This was a really fun video! If you put out more videos like this, about topics you’re interested in outside of the comics industry, I would gladly watch them.
I think MatPat was just scared the FNAF timeline might have a new rival
Not sure if you heard Drake, but IDW comics are apparently now canon to the games universe. The newest game makes reference to a comic character.
Always had the headcanon that SegaSonic was chronologically when Sonic and Eggman first met. Glad to know me and Drake think alike. ^^
Honestly pretty darn Nostalgic hearing Comic Drake talk about video games. Brings me back to the good old days of Game Theory
This is all makes so much sense... so much sense in fact that I'm gonna reorganize my sonic collection
Much as I enjoy this theory, there's quite a few inconsistencies and errors.
First off, it's Iblis, not Ilbis.
And the way the timeline in 06 got reset wasn't by Blaze seemingly dying, but by Elise blowing out the flame that would become Solaris.
- It's been officially confirmed that CD takes place before Sonic 2. Yes, I get that that messes with the placement of the Sonic robots, but an easy explanation for that is that Eggman built the Silver Sonic/Mecha Sonic MK. 1 to guard the Death Egg as a prototype of Metal Sonic (or was built in a hurry after Metal lost) and was only used by Eggman because he didn't have a better Sonic robot anymore after Metal was lost when Little Planet disappeared.
- Sonic 2, 3, &Knuckles are one continuous story. The Death Egg crashes into Angel Island, prompting Sonic (still with the Chaos Emeralds in tow, as shown in the opening cutscene) and Tails to investigate.
- having previous adventures doesn't necessarily mean having previous games. If Segasonic really did happen before Sonic 1, then why wouldn't Mighty and Ray stick around to help Sonic in Sonic 1? It's very possible that Sonic and Eggman did have previous encounters, but that those encounters weren't shown. Eggman specifically captured Sonic in Segasonic, but in Sonic 1 all he did was try to hinder Sonic from getting to the end of the game. Why wouldn't he put more effort in if he specifically knew how capable Sonic was?
- the storybook games don't lead directly into eachother. In fact, the implication is that Black Knight takes place shortly after Unleashed due to Amy claiming she and Sonic had a date, which is legitimately a thing you can make happen in Unleashed. Secret Rings on the other hand was made alongside '06 and isn't as clear on the placement, but I think it'd be safe to say that at the very least Unleashed takes place between the games. Sonic being casual about it when comparing it to Whitespace doesn't have to mean it took place recently, just that he considers it one of his weirder adventures.
- and lastly, there's quite a few games that are implied to be canon that you didn't include. I'm not gonna list them all bc I'm typing on my phone and frankly can't really be bothered, but you missed 3D Blast, for instance (which, yes, is a different game than Blast, the localization team didn't really do a great job differentiating Sonic 3D and G-Sonic (which are their Japanese names)).
The4thSnake made a Sonic timeline a few years ago, where he also went in-depth on things like what '06's full actual story is and even things like Sonic's age. Turns out that '06 adds like 10 extra timelines to the mix, but it's decently understandable at least xD
For the record, there's also a few errors in his video (I prefer the theory that Blaze was in '06 first and then went to Rush over Blaze being in Rush first), but he also made an effort to include every game that isn't explicitly non-canon.
14:45 you got balls to say that
Appreciate the love for Skypatrol, underrated and I personally think it's pretty cool lol
This was incredible and I personally feel your videos where you let your passion flow are always your best. I hope you can find excuses to diversify if it brings you joy(but based on a recent TikTok of yours I'm betting you want to compartmentalize what feels like work) but just stay great and stay yourself. You're entertaining as hell
I have my disagreements here and there, but overall, good video. That being said, there are some things I wanna say/point out:
- 3 takes place immediately after 2 as shown by the ending. Nothing can fall between them.
- The Sega Scourge did a really good video explaining the Blaze discrepancy. Check it out if you can.
- Takashi Iizuka stated that Eggman Nega is from the future. Since he was shunned for being related to the OG Eggman, it wouldn’t be a stretch to stay that he escaped or was sent to another dimension.
- Since he already knows Sonic and the gang and now hates Eggman in the Rivals duology, those games likely fall after Rush Adventure.
- CD’s placement doesn’t really make sense. I know you mentioned Generations as evidence, but going off of boss order as evidence, Unleashed should be after Colors.
- Amy foreshadows a date with Sonic near the end of Unleashed. This is likely the one referenced at the end of Black Knight.
- I believe the Riders trilogy falls somewhere in the timeline. Sonic mentions Eggmanland in ZG and says he never gave up on it, likely placing it after the Rush games and before or after Unleashed.
- I’m kinda iffy on the statement that 4 is a few months after 3, as Generations, which came out between both episodes, contradicts this with the character designs.
He forgot Riders. Why did you bring them up as if he placed them one after the others?
@@shupasopni I said “I believe the Riders trilogy falls somewhere in the timeline”.
@@ianhawke2203 Oh I see what you meant now. But still he seems to believe it too. He just forgot Riders.
@@shupasopni Here’s my own timeline on the series:
Original timeline:
SegaSonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic CD
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic the Hedgehog 4
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Sonic Advance
Sonic Advance 2
Sonic Heroes
Shadow the Hedgehog
Sonic Battle
Sonic Advance 3
Sonic 06
Sonic Rivals
Sonic Rivals 2
Sonic & the Secret Rings
Sonic Rush
Sonic Rush Adventure
Sonic Riders
Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity
Sonic Free Riders
Sonic Unleashed
Sonic & the Black Knight
Sonic Colors
Sonic Generations
Sonic Lost World
Sonic Forces
Team Sonic Racing
Sonic Frontiers
Mania timeline:
SegaSonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic CD
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic Generations
Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic Mania
Sonic Forces
Sonic Mania Plus
This theory does explain why the missing poster for Mighty and Ray in Sonic Generations says missing since 1993 yet Mighty appeared in Knuckles Chaotix.
SegaSonic the Hedgehog Arcade game was released in 1993, not the same month as Sonic 1 (1991).
That isn’t to say that from a timeline perspective it can’t fit there; but that rational for it’s placement is a bit loose.
I really love your take on the split timeline starting because of Sonic CD. Super creative stuff 👌
I knew I heard of this guy's voice before , this was such a nostalgic throwback I'm glad to see you are doing well.
Counter Argument: Episode Metal doesn't take place in the bad future, but in the timeline where Sonic decided didn't he feel like trying to deal all that building up speed BS on the awkward terrain and just got the true ending by just getting the Chaos emeralds instead.
If I may, I disagree with your placement of 06. I (atleast personally) have always placed it at the end of the Sonic Timeline. I do this because Shadow is an agent in GUN. Why does this matter? In Shadow's story he gets an optional mission to do a test for a Gun Recruiter. Said test is the standard test that they give to all GUN recruits. The recruiter assures shadow it will be easy as it's the same test he took years ago to get into GUN. So 06 HAS to take place YEARS after ATLEAST Shadow the Hedgehog. I can definately see it BEFORE generations but I still argue for being after as there is an arguement to be made about Generations Time Eater messing with both past and future victories sonic will get
For the other games
Sonic Mania placement -
Sonic Mania takes place in the good future timeline, after Sonic R specifically, as the existence of a classic style Amy doll in the same way as tails doll makes an appearance, as well as Bean, Bark, and Fang in the Heavy Magician Boss, as well as a non roboticized Stardust speedway making an appearance as well
Sonic Forces placement - i Believe that Sonic Forces takes place in the Bad Future time line after Sonic Lost World, due to the fact that Mania sonic (explicitly stated to be from an alternative dimension) appears, as well as Zavok.
Id be happy to talk about this more!
@Blazing go ahead, i dont see why not
I love Sonic ♥ I'm a bit of a lore nerd for the series too so this makes me very happy to see :D The sonic comics are a great deep dive as well which could be fun to see you look at with your 'regular' style content but this was still just as awesome~
Wow your really creative when making this time and I think makes sense due to how many people to forget the handheld games ever happen due to them not playing or hearing of these charaters in years and it been like dream watching them come back again due to the games recently not bring some charaters while other are left to rotted in the past to wait for their chance to be in the spotlight.
When Sega stated everything in Sonic was canon, I'm pretty sure they were just pulling an Alira Toriyama, and saying "don't think of it as canonical and non-canonical, but rather, 2 different sides to the same story". I.e. a Multiverse situation.
ROFL Holy shit I did NOT realize that was you all those years ago. I didn't find this channel until the last couple of years thanks to a bunch of comicstorian videos affecting my algorithm.
This is overall a pretty great video! There are some things I wanna comment about though:
-I would switch around Sonic 2 8-bit, Chaos, and Drift to after Sonic 3, since that game's events take place a few days after Sonic 2 16-bit's. I'd also put Sonic CD before Sonic 2 since Tails isn't in that game and Eggman could simply be trying something different with the Mecha Sonic line afterwards.
-I'd make it so that Tails' Skypatrol takes place at the same time as Sonic Blast. Tails isn't in Blast and likewise Sonic, Knuckles and Eggman aren't in Skypatrol.
-In the red timeline, I would switch around Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic 4, since it wouldn't make sense for Eggman to change to his modern outfit then go back to his classic one before permanently switching back to his modern outfit. And while it potentially messes with Knuckles a bit, Sonic Pocket Adventure could go between Sonic 3 and Sonic 4.
-The timeline gets even more convoluted after Generations as well, with another split timeline forming after that game, possibly resulting in four different timelines. Modern Sonic has Lost World and Classic Sonic has Mania before they meet up together again in Forces. After that, I guess for Classic Sonic's timeline Sonic Mania Plus's Encore Mode takes place for the red timeline (Mighty and Ray are captured, possibly explaining the missing poster in the console version of Generations) while the blue timeline would have Sonic Mania Adventures (Mighty and Ray are just out and about, helped by Mighty appearing in Knuckles Chaotix).
-I was also going to add something about maybe adding Sonic X and the IDW comic onto this timeline for fun, but my limited knowledge on the Metarex Saga from the former ultimately confused me. I believe they could be added though.
@Burst Gaming That's literally what I said.
@Burst Gaming It does, look at the Japanese instruction manual.
@Burst Gaming It's canon, not my problem.
@Burst Gaming It's from the Japanese instruction book, which is more canon and less messed up compared to the US ones.
Sonic CD is 100% before Sonic 2. Sonic CD started development before Sonic 2, uses Sonic 1's sprites whereas Sonic 2 uses updated sprites, has a less refined Spin Dash which could be taken as being Sonic was still learning the move, and there's a hidden screen with Tails in the game that literally says "See you Next Game". It also makes more sense for 2 to be right before 3 in the timeline because 3's story is immediately after the ending of Sonic 2, with the Death Egg falling and the Tornado following it immediately from the battle to Angel Island.
Funny how recently it’s basically been confirmed that CD takes place before Sonic 2
Okay now someone needs to write "Crisis of Infinite Sonics" to fix everything.
The time split at CD doesn't make sense if you take Sonic 4 into account because it acts like Little Planet left back to where it usually goes at the end of CD, which doesn't happen unless Sonic manages to save it, because if he doesn't Eggman just teleports it back, so Little Planet being like it was saved but yet having the Bad Future is a big inconsistency
Not me getting sucked back into sonic fandom brain
Bro, working on this threw me back into the fandom HARD!
The simple idea that the handheld games represent a branching timeline satisfies so much lifelong cognitive dissonance for me. I wish this was accepted by Game Theory back in the day, I would have loved that.
This is still clearer than both the Kingdom Hearts timeline and Zelda timeline.
Zelda makes more sense than kingdom hearts
@@godspeedredeicieli4384 doesn't mean that the Zelda timeline doesn't get pretty busted. Especially when Breath of the Wild supposedly has all the timelines merged and the only way it works is if the Hyrule Warriors game is canon, but it's not.
CD takes place before 2
CD can’t take place after 2, because true ending of 2 (super sonic and tails flying) is literally the opening scene of 3.
Only way I can see CD being after 2 is like a parallel timeline where you do the normal ending without super sonic.
Ken Penders didn't write the vast majority of Archie Sonic comics. He created a ton of characters and wrote some of the worst stuff in the main book and all of the Knuckles series, but Penders was only one writer among many in a rotation, and he quit during the early 2000s.
In Sonic Generations on the 3DS, Sonic arrives to his party too early hints why none of his friends are there yet
Right, which is different to how the events played out in the console release.
I think I've figured out where it goes. Fang only appears in games of the good timeline.
Placing mania somewhere between sonic 3 and heroes.
With the ruby sending sonic all the way to the end of the bad future timeline. (Due to the fact Zavok is there).
Sonic mania is basically replacing sonic 4. With Eggman attempting to rule little planet again. But with the interference of the ruby, he has a change of plans.
I LOVE IT! Wish you rolled in the Metal is Sonic from the future theory, explains why Eggman can't build another one. I've only heard that he is a transformed, defeated, undead-robotic Sonic but I wonder if Nega was actually the one who did it and Eggman just found him. Could explain why he can turn into a giant version of himself, a dragon and also accomplish shapeshifting. Neo Metal even looks like something from the Eggman Nega future/dimension.
When working on stuff like this it's best to work with as official material as possible. The more fan theories you add into the mix, the higher chance you have to get things wrong.
@@WolforNuva Yes its better to cover these theories and speculate in a separate video rather than trying to confuse the timeline more.
@@WolforNuva yea true... though tbh this vid just gave me the idea 💡
Lol that was cool u had Billiam "cameo" at the end. I love like all of yours and his vids.. So awesome! I didn't even kno u guys knew each other lol. Great vid btw! Thank u!
My theory states that there is a split after Sonic Adventure (rather than Generations and/or CD), which results in a time where Sonic was defeated at the hands of Perfect Chaos, and it is here where I put the TV shows and comics (minus Sonic X, as it it set in a universe parallel to the Adventure duo) that you said were their own things.
Happy april fools day and well great job on this sonic hedgehog timeline video
Canonically sonic cd was actually before sonic 2 this was actually stated by Sega themselves and it's also why tails isn't present in the games original release
Nice! And even if this script is a bit old, the theory still holds water given that the Classic Sonic met in “Forces” is said to be from a separate dimension as opposed to the past like in “Generations”. Some people suspect that this alternate timeline might’ve split even earlier than “CD”, with the Time Eater appearing to send Classic Sonic into that white lmbo during what appears to be the events of the first Genesis game.
8:10 Correction: Sonic CD takes place Inbetween Sonic 2 and Sonic 1
I've subscribed bro. I've watched on and off since Comicstorian and ComicsExplained first started. I love sonic and watched back in the day. Now my 4yr old and twin 3yr Old boys are watching old school Sonic
What about sonic's green eyes? They are a clear marker for the separation of past sonic and future. Even though it makes sense to put "Sonic 3D Blast" after "Sonic 4: Parts I and II" due to "Sonic 3D Blast" containing Knuckles with "Sonic 4: Parts I and II" being stated to take place right after "Sonic 3 and Knuckles", this is still an inconsistency due to the color of the eyes. Is it possible that time traveled was involved, and that future sonic decided to have an adventure with tails after generations by time traveling to the time period after "Sonic 3 and Knuckles", thus leaving past sonic and tails back in the time period after generations? Or maybe that the events of "Sonic 3D Blast" are counted as part of the events of "Sonic 3 and Knuckles", maybe the events taking place between "Sonic 3" and "Sonic and Knuckles".
I know this isn’t really meant to be taken seriously but please make a part 2 to this because I think about this sort of like all the time and I actually predicted the 2 timeline thing in my head but instead of it being related to sonic cd it was tied to generations because when classic sonic went into the portal at the end of the console game, I thought that THAT is where sonic 4 starts but after watching this video, it aaallllllllllllll makes sense now cuz like DUH sonic cd is all about time travel so thank you for making this video that I’ve been looking for for so long :)
Sonic riders rode out of the video like how it rode out of my mind before you mentioned it at the end lol
I wouldn't really consider this an April fool's day video but It's always interesting to hear about lost or Rejected ideas
Can next year pretty please be a breakdown of the Scooby-Doo Multiverse? I bet that would be so much fun. And this video was great!
What a great way to prepare myself for sonic 2 tonight. The sonic multiverse is real and Prime will be game changing.
Could the other timelines have a connection back to the main series game timelines? I think the comic universe is pretty much self contained but who knows maybe its all predating the first game and some time/dimensional shenanigans happened. Though I could certainly see boom somehow fitting in some kind of split timeline.
Also riders definitely feels main series games universe, but I'd bet its much later in the timeline than anything else so far. That or it's somehow part of boom.
If we’re talking Archie then yeah that’s non-canon, now if we’re talking IDW, it’s probably non-canon, plus it seems to take place in a different universe where it’s just animals since we are shown central city in the comic book being inhabited by animals instead of humans
as far as i understand, the encyclopedia itself mentions that sonic cd comes before sonic 2
The fact that sonic the lost worlds came out after he originally researched this means this is at least nine years old 🤯
I like to think that CD takes place before Sonic 2, and the prototypes were just last minute attacks against Sonic while Eggman is focused on the Death Egg. Also makes sense when Sonic 3 takes place directly after Sonic 2. With Mania, I don't what everybody's talking about, but I think it is obvious Generations made a time split, and Forces is right after Mania.
Wow your timeline almost match with what i was thinking and about my Metal Sonic theory
Next year you should do a video on Metal Gear Solid's timeline (Kojima saga + Portable Ops and Revengeance)
It would probably take a year to make, and the series itself is comic booky enough that it would be an absolute banger
8:08 but sonic 3 starts immediately after 2, so using the info from 4 we know it actually takes place between 1 and 2
It was cool to see Billiam for a little while during the video. I like it when you appear on each other's channels.
Good video. It's too bad Game Theory rejected it. It was interesting.
I believe that Sonic 4 takes place right before Sonic Adventure
Sega really screwed up with their alternate dimension bullcrap for the classic timeline.
idk, that felt less chaotic than the Zelda timeline video.
I count how many of the sonic games that i have played in the past and it was like your timeline idea
(12 Good Future Games)
(13 Bad Future Games)
The games i played were Sonic 1, 2, 3&Knuckles, CD, Sega Sonic, Sonic Heroes, Advance 1 and 2,
(Good Future) Sonic Chaos, 3DS Generations, 3DS Colors, Fighters, Both Drifts, Blast and R.
(Bad Future) 4, Advance 3, Battle, and finally Rivals 1 and 2
(20 SONIC GAMES! Man that was a lot to count)
19:22 also Thomas the Tank Engine Cameo
0:11 I knew your persona looked familiar from somewhere, I just couldnt put my finger on it
Just a point about sonic 06. Blaze sealing iblis inside of her did not change the timeline. Instead it was Elise and sonic blowing out solaris’ flame at the end of the game
crossover days was crazy, very deep cut
I guess that’s why classic sonic in forces is from a different universe unlike in generations where he’s from the past
When he said happy April fools day, I almost had a strock
You know the funny thing is mar pat did a video on mega man lore where he got everything wrong and got rid of important plot details because they were too stupid
The billiam cameo was a nice surprise
My brain just exploded a vein when he said about time travels
Time travel? He did a sonic video all about it, so…… and not to mention over complication when any time someone releases a indie horror game things get way too complicated fast, and that’s coming from a fnaf fan
This is the *hbomberguy Sonic Serious Lore Analysis* video from the sane and well-adjusted timeline
Yes, the archie comics arent canon. They follow the satam and adventures of sonic the hedgehog timeline. However, the idw comics are absolutely canon. They reference numerous past games, and the story picks up right where sonic forces left off, they're cleaning up after the war, and in the intro we see shots of action sequences from the games.
CD has to be before 2 - the cutscene at the end of the game shows Eggman with the Cyan chaos emerald, which he drops and you pick up first in 2
I think most Sonic fans accept that the timeline was split after Generations so that after S3&k, Sonic Mania happens in one timeline and Sonic 4 happens in the other.
This is the first time I've heard the idea of CD causing a split. That's really cool!
Any time you talk about gaming is like a blast from the past.
There is a huge problem with putting Sonic 2 gamegear and CD right after Sonic 2 Genesis. Sonic 2 was about the DeathEgg that Robotnik built. Sonic 3's plot "After Sonic and Tails defeat Dr. Robotnik in Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Robotnik's space station, the DeathEgg, crash-lands on the floating Angel Island. There, Robotnik meets Knuckles the Echidna." Putting Sonic 3 between four Sonic games after Sonic 2 would suggest Robotnik was like "Pfft, forget the DeathEgg, I will do something different" for four games until he was like "You know what, I think I will work on the DeathEgg. Now where did that silly thing to?" That would also suggest Knuckles didn't do anything to get the Space station off of his island even though it's what made the floating island fell into the ocean in the first place.
wait, how can you not place 3K directly after 2? the intro of the game (and I'm pretty sure the manual as well) seems to be pretty clear that 3K happens _right_ after the Death Egg crashes to from orbit onto Angel Island, that's like the entire plot of the game.
Ye and I always thought Sonic CD happened straight after sonic 1 as he isn't friends with tails at that point and eggman was creating a robot that could rival his speed. Then in sonic 2, he created a robot that could spindash like he could. But in sonic 3, he created a robot that could become a super form like he saw sonic do at the end of sonic 2, start of sonic 3.
Spinball actually takes place in its own continuity completely separate from all the other games, cartoons, comics, etc. It's really interesting to look into.
@15:00 There's no difference between time travel and alternate *universes.* *Dimensions* are units of space. That's why we say we live in a three-dimensional world, as it refers to the dimensions of *length width, and height.* To say that universe and dimensions are interchangeable is simply incorrect.