This is the biggest video I have ever made in my entire career. I hope you love it as much as I do and want to share it around! Once again, a huge thank you to all of my wonderful friends and colleagues who helped make this possible!
This came together so well! You know it's about to get serious when there are multiple costume changes lol. This was a fun ride, I will now forever think of Todd McFarlane as "a loud Canadian" Thanks for inviting me to be a part of it :)
I can't believe you shpwed up, your content is very great and in depth. I was completely overwhelmed by you being here, this truly is the biggest crossover in marvel history!
Fantastic job on this video, Drake. Your deep research and passion for this topic really showed! Thank you for having me on too, I'm proud to have been a part of this project.
@Comic Drake this is f'd up. I subscribed to you years ago. As I subscribed to more people, UA-cam doesn't put your videos in my timeline at all. You know what's worse. If I watch a video and don't subscribe, UA-cam puts videos from the channel I didn't subscribe to under other videos I watch. Which made me forget about you. If I'm watching Comicstorian or Comics Explained, I feel a video by you should appear in my feed. As a premium user, I'm pissed.
Wow, Miracle Man's legal history is as dramatic and complicated as...well a comic book. Many twist and turns, even Todd getting sued by that Fashion magazine feels like a, "Because Comics" moment.
Comics often do a sort of meta commentary with the plot. DC's whole anti-crisis stuff was essentially a meta commentary of DC trying to hold on to its own ways. Source judgement is the critique of the audience, World Forger and the 6th dimension is the DC execs, and so on.
Honestly, the whole McFarlane debacle revealed the hypocrisy of the Image founders. How creators rights were well and good until it began to threaten their paycheck. They supposedly formed the company because of how their bosses treated them, but as the bosses of their own company they acted little different. I’m glad that things have, supposedly, gotten better and am glad that there is a company besides the big two producing work that isn’t all just fucking superheroes. But this lawsuit and the stories I’ve heard about the founders’ antics will never make me buy into the idea that they are ‘nice guys’ or supposed bastions of creative freedom.
The creators rights thing was not a big deal for them. It's the toy deals that are an issue, since that's where most comic companies make most of their profits and there Mcfarlane could make money of creator's property
What happened is the same: Todd just valued profits over people. He was making millions off merchandise and he should have shared that with Neil back when he had the funds. Instead he hoarded his wealth, wasted more of it in a lawsuit his lawyer should have told him was unwinnable, lost more in counter-lawsuits, before having to file for bankruptcy. Like every other greedy businessman, he can't have most of the money, he needs ALL of the money!
"and am glad that there is a company besides the big two producing work that isn’t all just f*cking superheroes" Apparently Archie Comics doesn't exist.
My favorite part, was when the judge basically fed Todd McFarlane lore from his own Spawn series, in regards to Dark Ages Spawn to debunk his claim over the character, which was essentially a ripoff of Medieval Spawn, who was in fact a commisioned derivative of the original Spawn that Todd originally wrote off legally as being unworthy of royalties, but somehow his his version of it demanded compensation, haha. So weird and wonky, this legal battle itself could have been a comic itself.
tbf the only things in common were an hellspawn and being in the middleage but the two versions were different like The Master of the Universe and Berserk.
Fantastic video, every time you describe Todd McFarlane It makes me giggle. "Todd, who can start a fight in an empty room" being one of the best, lol. Man, I never knew any of this. I love Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman, and have always felt uneasy about Todd, now I know why, lol.
Todd's fights with Peter David in the 90s (through Peter's 'But I Digress' column in the back of CBG and Todd through the letter columns in his own books) were EPIC. When 'The Toddler' realized he had painted himself into a corner and couldn't win the argument he just posted monthly sales figures for Spawn -- somehow equating more sales as proof he was a better writer and declared himself the 'winner' (of what, no one was quite sure of at that point). Todd managing to bankrupt himself in completely stupid and unnecessary ways years later was a more than justified dessert for one so narcissistic and hypcritical. Neil Gaiman, OTOH is still just as humble and funny as he ever was for one who continues to be a fountain of good ideas and even wittier writing.
So… What did we learn from this video? Never rip off Superman, Todd McFarlane is the best and worst businessman and Alan Moore is the most unluckiest comic writer ever. Also, that judge was super BASED.
@@mttylerdurden9 As much as we hate hiatuses, when you look at the process of how Manga is put out, it makes you realize “Maybe they should take a break for next… Eight years?”
I can understand why Alan Moore became so bitter toward the comic book industry. He saw no end to companies trying to screw him and his fellow creators out of their rights. It's proof positive why a union is necessary for all forms of creative media.
@concept5631 Disliking companies is no excuse for having a bad outlook on characters. Moore is just like Garth Enis, an edgelord who writes about characters and fundamentally misunderstands what makes those characters who they are before then assassinating those characters just because he has a hate boner for super heroes. Either that or he writes a painfully edgy story about heroes of his own creation so that he can be all "Look guys if Super Heroes were real they'd all be sex obsessed crazy assholes! This is why Super Heroes suck"
Okay that judge who schooled McFarlane on his own character's comic lore is the greatest thing I've ever heard about. Fantastic video. Nothing short of master-class work.
Never liked McFarlane tbh. I began despising him starting with ASM #300. Hell, even the Marvelman creator, Mick Anglo, didn't want him touching his character. There is a reason Alan Moore handpicked Neil Gaiman. And now it looks as if both Neil and Mark Buckingham will be able to finish the Silver Age Series starting this October! Can't wait!
Man, why couldn’t us Sonic fans got _that_ judge for Penders V. Archie Comics & Sega of America case instead of the dotard that not only never understood copyright right as it pertains to licensing characters, or ever read a comic book in his life?!
Gaiman: "read the timeline. How could you have any respect for someone who behaved like that, over and over?" Not sure, Neil. I know my respect for Todd dipped dramatically learning about all this.
I feel like they might be leaning into Miracleman/Marvelman as a possible replacement to the Sentry since the Sentry has himself been something of a poisoned chalice who they can never quite get to work. I also feel like Miracleman has the benefit that he's *actually* a long lost Golden/Silver Age character, and not just that as a marketing gimmick.
Yeah, Miracleman/Marvelman is basically a better Sentry than Sentry. He has actual history tied to the Golden Age unlike the retroactive/fake backstory they made for Sentry and would be a fresh take on the concept. Sentry being killed off recently seems set up to work in this character.
Wow, I knew Angela was a part of the Miracleman/Marvelman debacle, but I didn't know how tightly linked she was to it. Glad she's with Marvel now, I love her dynamics with Thor and Loki.
@@ranwolf7650 I doubt she’ll be part of the Thor mythos considering they gave her role of Odin’s eldest to Hela. If anything, I could see her being a variant of Hela over in Loki, or see Marvel using her on the second roster of the Guardians, seeing as she’s closely tied to them as well.
@@WhiteRaven696 Or they could homage her Spawn origins and have her be an alien bounty hunter. She would make a good ally/enemy for the Guardians of the Galaxy.
It's weird to think that Todd McFarlane, the guy who advocated for creator's rights and was one of the founders of Image Comics, went through this whole ordeal just because he insisted on keeping the rights to Gaiman's work/characters. That said, this video was excellently put together. I hope it was worthwhile.
It... really isn't, sadly. Image was plagued with that kind of nonsense from the beginning, especially with Rob Liefeld's shenanigans. Once McFarlane was the person writing the checks, instead of receiving them, he quickly found out he did not much care for it.
@watchm4ker Yeah I'll give you that it’s just hard because the McFarlane's are family friends and they've always been nice to us. Hell when Todd found out I was going to a convention in Vancouver just to see him. He mailed me and my friend backstage passes so we got in for free
Yeah it's still weird seeing my name and logo at the end of a UA-cam video of a creator I've watched for years 😂. This came together amazingly, great job Drake!
In a lot of ways Todd was also the 90s equivalent of a Stan Lee figure. He had his own “soapbox” where he spoke to fans; he has his own, memorable public persona; and he has a muddy legacy (that most people probably don’t know)
Shout out to Allan Moore for taking one of his favorite childhood properties and making it something so dark and weird. Lord knows I wouldn't be able to take Tom and Jerry and write a story about the existential dread of ceaseless reboots.
If I had the opportunity to make a darker version of something, I would probably remake that animated version of Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer as a somewhat raunchier, wackier, musical murder mystery, maybe with Santa as the villain.
Honestly I got an idea for that It'll be a more Animal Man style deconstruction but it would basically construe to Tom and Jerry continually feuding over decades, never changing, compelled by nature to spend their entire existence trolling one another, while both subtly want to break this cycle
I remember becoming a huge fan of the character back in 2014 or '15 when I discovered this "cool superhero series by Alan Moore early in his career" was being reprinted by Marvel. After quickly catching up, I was excited to hear that Gaiman would be continuing where he left off, because that cliffhanger of the return of Young Marvelman had me salivating for more... only to hear no news after the series was finished being reprinted. I had figured maybe it hadn't been as profitable as Marvel had thought it would be and decided against bringing Gaiman and Buckingham on to continue where they left off. More than half a decade later and we're finally getting an update.
I was confuse when I saw an omnibus comics of this title being sold in our local bookstore in 2012. I was like "oh Marvel has another "Captain Marvel" character. When I read about the story I was more confused glad Drake & his colleagues cleared it up. Despite the issue being convoluted.
@@rememberthisname9965 hahaha that sucks. It was on sale in my bookstore when I saw it with seal unopened. It was sold at least PH ₱250. (though I can't afford it at the time.) Which if converted in today's currency to dollar is only $3-4.00. It's a reprinted copy from Marvel by Moore run. As I browse to sample copies that was opened. Allowed for viewing. With nudity that caught me off guard. When Marvelman woke up in his dream and taking to his wife.
@@rememberthisname9965 anyway I always question that popular local bookstore. Which have multiple branches nationwide. As it's always sell books for cheap price even the latest release. They are either buying copies in bulk or theirs shady business going on.
@@josephdanieljirehdimacali4418 wow you’re honestly very lucky , well either that or I’m just insanely unlucky. Wish my book stores had a shady business going on, so then I can buy a couple books for a couple bucks
I was confused when I saw that. I figured it was just some other Superman type character from a lesser known company. Then I saw the Marvel logo on the spine and I got it confused with Sentry.
I've only been a subscriber for about 6 months but I'm so glad I found this channel. The quality of your content is truly amazing and very informative.
This was an absolutely WILD ride of a video. That whole rights issue is fascinating. I might have missed this while watching, but I do wonder: does Marvel actually own the old rights to Miracle/Marvelman? Or are those rights still floating around in the void? Still an absolutely fascinating ride of a video! I applaud you for your in-depth research! (Also I squealed when Sasha showed up. I was not expecting to see the wig lord make an appearance haha.)
@@vullord666 My guess is that Atlas had plans to rebrand to Marvel, and they didn't want one of their first comics to come out of their rebrand to be called "Marvelman" out of fear that everyone would think that he represented all the comics they had to offer. I mean, that would make the most logical sense, right?
A lot of respect to Gaiman here, the money going to charity is a great touch. Great work covering this Drake, I was enthralled more by this, than anything in law school.
Very good and thorough video. A small side detail I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention- When Mick Anglo made Marvelman, he also made another character for a different magazine named Captain Universe, who was another Captain Marvel ripoff (he even had the monicker of "the Super Marvel"). So that's three different Captain Marvel ripoffs that Anglo did. And as a nice bowtie in the end, Captain Universe was then revived in... League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, by Alan Moore, the book he's retired on. Meaning what's arguably his first real major critical hit (at least in more of an independent sense rather than working with a big license like Marvel or Doctor Who) was a story reimagining a Captain Marvel ripoff as a dark edgy deconstruction, and his career ends with a story that while having a similar tone, has a Captain Marvel ripoff in it as a genuine unironic shining beacon of hopeful old superherodom.
*gets sued for making a character too similar to superman* "Hmm, how can we avoid this happening again?" *creates a character that is literally a dollar-store superman*
That story of a judge that hit Todd with the Spawn lore as a rebutal or whatever is somehow a bit wholesome, no matter the reason. Was the judge a fan? Then the fan really had a lot of integrity and it is both admirable for liking the source material but acknowledging that Todd was being an ass The judge wasn't a fan but felt the need to familiarize with the topic for some reason? It sounds so cool that the judge actually cared for the intelectual property enough to look into it, many would just dismiss it as either "Kiddie stuff" (comics in general, not spawn) or just bs, cool judge. Did the judge just had a kid or teen related to him that nerded out with the judge when they heard in which case he was going to work and the judge felt compelled enough to listen to their venting/observations of their hobbie? man that's wholesome af and you know it.
This is absolutely insane! So much bickering and lawsuits between creators all because of stuff that stemmed from the original Captain Marvel. This is probably the messiest and most convoluted battle over comics I've ever learned about.
The Fawcett Captain Marvel comics are legendary. Far better than DC'c Shazam or Marvel's Captain Marvel (not that it's much of a feat) The point being we lose a great line of comics so the big boys could put out garbage.
@@conniethesconnie : Marvel's first Captain Marvel (after they got the rights) was a pretty decent character, and his death (cancer if I recall) is one of the most famous in comics. Most of the iterations since then, esp the latest have been trash and failed to catch on.
The chain necklace during the Todd Father section is a nice touch. This is a very impressive and in-depth video, Drake! Excellent job. Thank you for letting me have a part in it!
Well now we know that Comic Drake, Owen Likes Comics and Casually Comics are all tight. And that just tickles me as pink as pink can be. Not to mention gobs and gobs of other comic tubers. A video about drama showing creators getting along, it's a wonderful juxtaposition
Not skipping through sponsorship cause Drake deserves the $ Thanks for making these vids, as a comic book seller it is really really useful to be able to pop over to this account and see what's going on in the comic book world :)
Glad to know that people from local comic shops are tuning in! By all means, feel free to let your customers know about the channel if they are wanting to find recommendations.
I never understood the backstory when I was purchasing spawn products back in the day this is very enlightening... This is why I was so confused about Tiffany and Angela.. in my young man I thought they both died in that issue..
Like these behind the scenes deep dives. That’s why I like you and comic troupes especially now more so since you’ve both been covering comic book legal drama. Hope y’all collab in the futuure
7:17 the gun on this cover really reminds me of the rogue trader/warhammer 40k weapons. I reckon they probably took inspiration from this kind of thing when designing them.
YES! I was waiting patiently and I am hyped to watch the video. Strange Brain Parts introduced me to Miracleman and I've been a fan ever since. Thanks Drake. Any talk of Miracleman is great because it's exposure. I want the Gaiman run to be completed.
So I've been following since just a little before you went through that tough time in your life. Happy to see you thriving bro!!! And thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Truly fantastic to see so many of my favorite Comic Book UA-cam personalities in one video! You all did such an amazing job with telling this story! Very complex and full of lots of information and surprising twists! I definitely want to pick up some of those Miracleman books myself! Thank you so much for sharing this project with us all!
So fucking awesome that you and Owen had a collaboration, you two and Chris from Comictropes are the ones doing the best job documenting the glory days of American comics.
Just watched Owen Likes Comics’s video on Miracleman, now Drake drops this! Miracleman/Marvelman is honestly such an interesting character, both as a character, and as an actual entity in pop culture
Great work Drake, this was such an amazing and informative video. It's hard to believe that some obscure characters from the '50s could lead to such a tangled web of legal drama that would reach into the next century. I had no idea that the likes of Gaiman, Moore and McFarlane have spent decades engaged in this secret war over a character that I'd never heard of until a month or two ago. Finally, it was nice to see Owen pop up, after his own excellent video introduced me to the character. Then on top of that, Sasha randomly appears in full judge wig mode - that was the cherry on top!
This is the kind of content I love getting from this man, thorough interesting topics that I've _never_ heard about. Stuff like this just shows why you can't trust anything unless it's written down so you have a leg to stand on.
Man this released right when I needed it. I stumbled across Miracleman a couple of months ago, and found his story incredibly interesting. The fact that there was even more going on than the Wikipedia page let on is just mindblowing, and this story is just insane. Incredibly well presented and well done, another great video as usual, Drake!
I've had one of the reprinted volumes on my shelf for awhile and never got around to it, after watching this I definitely wanna see what it's all about!
Honestly, Bravo, this was a fantastic video and it has gotten me interested in reading the old Miracle Man stuff. Probably one of your best videos. Great job!
Yoooo I just found your channel and that video was amazing! I love long deep dive videos like this and this one is just so well researched, crafted and presented. Looking forward to going through and bingeing your backlog of videos soon!
Having never heard of any of this before, aside from watching your vid about the Shazam legal issues, I did not know what to expect. Needless to say, this was all way more outrageous than I expected. Kudos to you dude for sifting though all the papers for this, because I have idea how I would have been about to get through all of this, much less make a video about it, and a really good one, at that. Cheers, and I hope it'll get around, because I feel like more people should be aware of this whole bizarre situation, it's really interesting.
Great video. 31:59 Todd is not posing with his lawyer, it's actually Brian Holguin (writer of Aria, Spawn, Jim Henson's The Dark Crystal) who testified in the trial.
1602 is actually my favorite comic of all time. So knowing it came about so Gaiman could sue Todd over his paper thin legal claims makes the entire series just a bit better.
That was, without a doubt, the most comprehensive and well-articulated version of this saga I've seen - and for some reason I've seen a lot. Well done, Drake!
Very well done. Big ups for being able to keep all those shenanigans wrangled into a perfectly comprehensible stream of one "OMFG!" after "WTF?!" following an "Oh-ho-ho-ho REALLY NOW?!" and topped off with a "PFFFFT!". I knew a great deal of the story already, but not nearly in as much detail as you presented which filled in some major plot holes for me. Thanks for that! Also, I had fun trying to play the "logo game" with your background the whole time! This is the 1st video of yours that I've ever seen, so I'll be looking at previous installments to see what else ya get divin' deeply into. Again, great job, bub!!
This is my favorite comic series of all time and tbh the last thing I want to see is Miracleman in Marvel. Wish they would just print the end of Gaimens and call it a day...well and reprint the trades to make it more accessible for the casual fan. The last thing we need is to see him fight Thanos.
Since you mentioned Neil Gaimen, is the a chance we can get a history of sandman as a series? You have done a couple videos about the world and characters so why not the real world legacy
Awesome video! But, I think we can all agree that nobody named "Todd" has ever made a smart decision or made anything good. Double that if your last name is "Mcfarlan"
@@lucyinchat The Orville isn't even that good, sure it's passable. But not "good". Picard! Now that is a great show and you can tell that Patrick Stewart is just having a ball with it.
Wow! Fantastic job and respect to everyone involved in this. Thoroughly researched and loved the citations! As a lifelong UK comic fan that purchased Warrior no.1 when it hit the newsstands, I found this video to be a fabulous piece of comic journalism! Very, very well done chaps!
I got a singed Judge Dredd Annual from 1982, Mike McMahon, Alan A Grant , Dave Gibbons, Brian Bolland, I was 13 and up stairs in a pub, Blew my tiny mind never been the same since, Also saw The One Above All twice.
@@druunderwood5602 Great times! I used to do the same! Forbidden Planet (and other London comic shops) signings were a must for me. And the fact that you were there at the beginning of all of these guys careers is something special. I got Bolland to sign a copy of Green Lantern Corps because he had done a back up strip in it - he asked me if I really wanted him to sign it! Still got it. It's still worthless as a comic, but priceless to me.
@@joedredd8804 Same here got a Loft full of Comics, Used to spend a lot of time reading as much as I could, Marvel DC, Stay there all Saturday, Had a lucky comment a few years back, I was watching Agent Carter I see Dottie? I remember Halfrek from Buffy, I leave a comment on an Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. web site making a joke about , Spike meets Dottie from Agent Carter and screams not another bloody Underwood!" Six month later my names in Witchblade, I could not believe it! Long story.
Great work on this. It was certainly one hell of a trip. Never expected to hear Neil Gaiman name to be brought up. Glad he found a nice hobby of bitch slapping Todd McFarlane in court.
Is it weird that I know that photo of Gary Leach was taken at Orbital Comics near Leicster Square England? It's a shame the store is closed, because it's really had not to notice those yellow shelves. They did a lot to promote Miracle Man when it was reprinted by Marvel. I imagine they would have done the same now.
Awesome video as usual. I already knew pretty much everything as I was actually following the whole feud as it happened but you did a great job summarizing and presenting the story in a very easy to follow way. Congratulations.
The funny thing about Miracleman coming to Marvel is the fact that Miracleman was created as a copy of the original Captain Marvel (and no, I will STILL not refer to him as Shazam - that's the Wizard). DC's reaction to this will be ... interesting.
@@druunderwood5602 One of my favorite moments is when The Question (Vic Sage) calls out "Shazam! Captain Marvel! Black Adam!" Renee Montoya asks what is he doing? Question replies, "I was hoping it was contagious." 🤣🤣
So what you're saying is I need to immediately make a comic book called Miracle Girl in Marvelous Land so I too can become an infamous character in the comic book industry. Maybe I'll get lucky and make and lose millions of dollars.
Well done, sir!. I grew up with 2000AD and Warrior came out when I discovered girls. For a teenage nerd living in London, Marvel Man V for Vendetta were awesome. I had no idea the publication history was so convoluted. I'd love to see a live action or animated version, but I doubt it would ever happen. I just hope Marvel don't mess up the character when they decide to publish him again. Thanks for the video. It was brilliant.
It's insane that marvel was willing to go to bat in court for Gaimon. I know that it benefited them, but still... going to court is risky and expensive
Thank you for explaining this whole thing. I discovered Miracleman in its Eclipse Comics form and loved it and hated when it disappeared unexpectedly. I finally found the final issues and tried to enjoy them, though it tried.
This is the biggest video I have ever made in my entire career. I hope you love it as much as I do and want to share it around! Once again, a huge thank you to all of my wonderful friends and colleagues who helped make this possible!
Wow
You're awesome.
Ooh awesome
Great as always. Keep doing deep dives like this.
You’re the besy
This came together so well! You know it's about to get serious when there are multiple costume changes lol. This was a fun ride, I will now forever think of Todd McFarlane as "a loud Canadian" Thanks for inviting me to be a part of it :)
Thanks for being a part of it! When I read what the judge had to say, I just knew you would be perfect!
Was completely thrown off by your cameo. I'm happy to see so many channels I subscribe to doing projects like these together.
I was living and dying simultaneously when you came on to judge it up. WIG LIFE!
The one casual comic cataloguer that can rival Drake in costumes.
I can't believe you shpwed up, your content is very great and in depth. I was completely overwhelmed by you being here, this truly is the biggest crossover in marvel history!
Fantastic job on this video, Drake. Your deep research and passion for this topic really showed! Thank you for having me on too, I'm proud to have been a part of this project.
Thank you so much for being a part of it! I can't imagine working on this without you.
@Comic Drake this is f'd up. I subscribed to you years ago. As I subscribed to more people, UA-cam doesn't put your videos in my timeline at all. You know what's worse. If I watch a video and don't subscribe, UA-cam puts videos from the channel I didn't subscribe to under other videos I watch. Which made me forget about you. If I'm watching Comicstorian or Comics Explained, I feel a video by you should appear in my feed. As a premium user, I'm pissed.
@@reno419rockstar Have you clicked the bell icon to the right of the [ SUBSCRIBE ]? That allows you to set the notifications level for the channel.
I can’t tell you how excited I was to see two of my favorite UA-camrs come together! Amazing video, as always!
Having a “miracle suit” swimwear brand get tangled up in this legal mess was extremely funny because it came completely out of left field.
Off the Top Rope.
@@lucyinchat it's like that Royal Rumble where Mick Foley, The Cactus Kid and Mankind all showed
Miraclesuit ...I mean it could also mean lawsuit 🍿👀
@@TupocalypseShakur Slight correction, but it was Dude Love, Cactus Jack and Mankind. (aka the Three Faces of Foley)
They're like, "Oh, let's involve ourselves in because why not?".
Wow, Miracle Man's legal history is as dramatic and complicated as...well a comic book.
Many twist and turns, even Todd getting sued by that Fashion magazine feels like a, "Because Comics" moment.
I read "Because Comics" with Linkara's voice
Comics often do a sort of meta commentary with the plot. DC's whole anti-crisis stuff was essentially a meta commentary of DC trying to hold on to its own ways. Source judgement is the critique of the audience, World Forger and the 6th dimension is the DC execs, and so on.
@@NIDELLANEUM I’m still waiting for him and drake to collab
Quick sidenote: it's not a fashion magazine...its a sportswear company
Because Lawsuits
Honestly, the whole McFarlane debacle revealed the hypocrisy of the Image founders. How creators rights were well and good until it began to threaten their paycheck. They supposedly formed the company because of how their bosses treated them, but as the bosses of their own company they acted little different. I’m glad that things have, supposedly, gotten better and am glad that there is a company besides the big two producing work that isn’t all just fucking superheroes. But this lawsuit and the stories I’ve heard about the founders’ antics will never make me buy into the idea that they are ‘nice guys’ or supposed bastions of creative freedom.
The creators rights thing was not a big deal for them. It's the toy deals that are an issue, since that's where most comic companies make most of their profits and there Mcfarlane could make money of creator's property
A clear example of how power and money (especially given to guys still in their 20s) can really change a person
What happened is the same: Todd just valued profits over people. He was making millions off merchandise and he should have shared that with Neil back when he had the funds. Instead he hoarded his wealth, wasted more of it in a lawsuit his lawyer should have told him was unwinnable, lost more in counter-lawsuits, before having to file for bankruptcy. Like every other greedy businessman, he can't have most of the money, he needs ALL of the money!
"and am glad that there is a company besides the big two producing work that isn’t all just f*cking superheroes"
Apparently Archie Comics doesn't exist.
Also Liefeld doesn't even own Youngblood anymore lol. One of the founding members of Image gave up the rights to his own comic.
My favorite part, was when the judge basically fed Todd McFarlane lore from his own Spawn series, in regards to Dark Ages Spawn to debunk his claim over the character, which was essentially a ripoff of Medieval Spawn, who was in fact a commisioned derivative of the original Spawn that Todd originally wrote off legally as being unworthy of royalties, but somehow his his version of it demanded compensation, haha. So weird and wonky, this legal battle itself could have been a comic itself.
Red Sonja Witchblade Medieval Spawn.
tbf the only things in common were an hellspawn and being in the middleage but the two versions were different like The Master of the Universe and Berserk.
Fantastic video, every time you describe Todd McFarlane It makes me giggle. "Todd, who can start a fight in an empty room" being one of the best, lol.
Man, I never knew any of this. I love Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman, and have always felt uneasy about Todd, now I know why, lol.
Todd's fights with Peter David in the 90s (through Peter's 'But I Digress' column in the back of CBG and Todd through the letter columns in his own books) were EPIC. When 'The Toddler' realized he had painted himself into a corner and couldn't win the argument he just posted monthly sales figures for Spawn -- somehow equating more sales as proof he was a better writer and declared himself the 'winner' (of what, no one was quite sure of at that point). Todd managing to bankrupt himself in completely stupid and unnecessary ways years later was a more than justified dessert for one so narcissistic and hypcritical. Neil Gaiman, OTOH is still just as humble and funny as he ever was for one who continues to be a fountain of good ideas and even wittier writing.
He's always been cool with my family.
So… What did we learn from this video? Never rip off Superman, Todd McFarlane is the best and worst businessman and Alan Moore is the most unluckiest comic writer ever. Also, that judge was super BASED.
Also, that Neil Gaiman is someone you don’t want to mess with.
@@vullord666 Manga has you working on your stuff until you die.
@@comixproviderftw_02 then they dig up your corpse, perform some kind of resurrection spell, and put you back to work
@@mttylerdurden9 As much as we hate hiatuses, when you look at the process of how Manga is put out, it makes you realize “Maybe they should take a break for next… Eight years?”
@@comixproviderftw_02 which is why I'm glad SAGA took it's break. The creators deserved it.
I can understand why Alan Moore became so bitter toward the comic book industry. He saw no end to companies trying to screw him and his fellow creators out of their rights. It's proof positive why a union is necessary for all forms of creative media.
At the same time, I don't like his attitude towards people that like superheroes and he does have a fundamental misunderstanding of them.
@@TheFLAMEXD Maybe if he wasn't dicked around for most of his career he'd have a more positive outlook
@@concept5631Just because he was dicked around, doesn't give him any right to look down on superhero fans.
@@TheFLAMEXD Never said anything about defending whatever he said against fans.
@concept5631 Disliking companies is no excuse for having a bad outlook on characters. Moore is just like Garth Enis, an edgelord who writes about characters and fundamentally misunderstands what makes those characters who they are before then assassinating those characters just because he has a hate boner for super heroes.
Either that or he writes a painfully edgy story about heroes of his own creation so that he can be all "Look guys if Super Heroes were real they'd all be sex obsessed crazy assholes! This is why Super Heroes suck"
Marvel needed someone who was more than just a really good lawyer.
like peter parker lawyer?
A Dare Devil
@@fymal who’s Peter Parker?
@@jesusgonzales9403 was there someone called Peter Parker?
@@soumyaranjankanr306 thats spiderman
Okay that judge who schooled McFarlane on his own character's comic lore is the greatest thing I've ever heard about.
Fantastic video. Nothing short of master-class work.
Never liked McFarlane tbh. I began despising him starting with ASM #300. Hell, even the Marvelman creator, Mick Anglo, didn't want him touching his character. There is a reason Alan Moore handpicked Neil Gaiman. And now it looks as if both Neil and Mark Buckingham will be able to finish the Silver Age Series starting this October! Can't wait!
Man, why couldn’t us Sonic fans got _that_ judge for Penders V. Archie Comics & Sega of America case instead of the dotard that not only never understood copyright right as it pertains to licensing characters, or ever read a comic book in his life?!
@@Popcultureguy3000sega and archie's fault for deciding not to fight the case at all
Everybody's gangsta till the Judge teach you about comic book lore.
Gaiman: "read the timeline. How could you have any respect for someone who behaved like that, over and over?"
Not sure, Neil. I know my respect for Todd dipped dramatically learning about all this.
Todd is a "habitual line stepper."
I read this as he was saying it. Coincidence is mindblowing
Hey be nice he's a family friend and he's really cool. He gave my uncle drawing lessons
I feel like they might be leaning into Miracleman/Marvelman as a possible replacement to the Sentry since the Sentry has himself been something of a poisoned chalice who they can never quite get to work.
I also feel like Miracleman has the benefit that he's *actually* a long lost Golden/Silver Age character, and not just that as a marketing gimmick.
Yeah, Miracleman/Marvelman is basically a better Sentry than Sentry. He has actual history tied to the Golden Age unlike the retroactive/fake backstory they made for Sentry and would be a fresh take on the concept.
Sentry being killed off recently seems set up to work in this character.
Marverlman/Miraclemans an alternate Captain Britain universe Marvel UK Starlight Citadel,
Excalibur/Witchblade brought me here.
Lol, the first issue of the sentry is basically a rip off a Miracleman issue 1
I think it's safe to say that you should always get everything in writing and check your trademarks regularly.
Alan Moore was a victum of the non-contract/handshake deal with Marvel and it cost him.He was pissed about it too.
@@powerbad696 Also victim of the contract deal with DC and so he still doesn't own the rights to Watchmen.
Yeah,Moore learned the hard way.
Wow, I knew Angela was a part of the Miracleman/Marvelman debacle, but I didn't know how tightly linked she was to it. Glad she's with Marvel now, I love her dynamics with Thor and Loki.
I'm half convinced she's going to debut in Thor 4. Whether she's related to Thor is another question.
@@ranwolf7650 I doubt she’ll be part of the Thor mythos considering they gave her role of Odin’s eldest to Hela. If anything, I could see her being a variant of Hela over in Loki, or see Marvel using her on the second roster of the Guardians, seeing as she’s closely tied to them as well.
@@WhiteRaven696 Or they could homage her Spawn origins and have her be an alien bounty hunter. She would make a good ally/enemy for the Guardians of the Galaxy.
It's weird to think that Todd McFarlane, the guy who advocated for creator's rights and was one of the founders of Image Comics, went through this whole ordeal just because he insisted on keeping the rights to Gaiman's work/characters.
That said, this video was excellently put together. I hope it was worthwhile.
It... really isn't, sadly. Image was plagued with that kind of nonsense from the beginning, especially with Rob Liefeld's shenanigans. Once McFarlane was the person writing the checks, instead of receiving them, he quickly found out he did not much care for it.
@watchm4ker Yeah I'll give you that it’s just hard because the McFarlane's are family friends and they've always been nice to us. Hell when Todd found out I was going to a convention in Vancouver just to see him. He mailed me and my friend backstage passes so we got in for free
Money can change a person. Especially when they get a lot of it very quickly.
Yeah it's still weird seeing my name and logo at the end of a UA-cam video of a creator I've watched for years 😂. This came together amazingly, great job Drake!
I love that we've become friends and I'm so glad to bring you on board! You were a great Todd McFarlane!
This debacle really made Todd sound like a massive hypocrite IMO. Glad to see he got his ass handed to him.
ME TOO.
@Block Lord all? now that's a stretch
@Block Lord I don’t think all of them are. But some certainly are
"He's the Vince McMahon of comic books"
Wow... that made... TOO much sense
In a lot of ways Todd was also the 90s equivalent of a Stan Lee figure. He had his own “soapbox” where he spoke to fans; he has his own, memorable public persona; and he has a muddy legacy (that most people probably don’t know)
Having met Todd on more than 1 occasion, I would agree that this assessment was spot on!
@@dajokahbaby1506 Equating Todd McFarlane to Stan Lee, in any capacity, is an insult to Stan Lee!
I love that! That is too funny!
Todd McFarlane was more like Eric Bischoff.
Shout out to Allan Moore for taking one of his favorite childhood properties and making it something so dark and weird. Lord knows I wouldn't be able to take Tom and Jerry and write a story about the existential dread of ceaseless reboots.
Not with Warner above your head
I would watch a dark and gritty reboot where Jerry finally killed Tom and has to deal with the existential dread of being alone for the first time.
If I had the opportunity to make a darker version of something, I would probably remake that animated version of Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer as a somewhat raunchier, wackier, musical murder mystery, maybe with Santa as the villain.
Allan Moore is the goat
Honestly I got an idea for that
It'll be a more Animal Man style deconstruction but it would basically construe to Tom and Jerry continually feuding over decades, never changing, compelled by nature to spend their entire existence trolling one another, while both subtly want to break this cycle
I remember becoming a huge fan of the character back in 2014 or '15 when I discovered this "cool superhero series by Alan Moore early in his career" was being reprinted by Marvel. After quickly catching up, I was excited to hear that Gaiman would be continuing where he left off, because that cliffhanger of the return of Young Marvelman had me salivating for more... only to hear no news after the series was finished being reprinted. I had figured maybe it hadn't been as profitable as Marvel had thought it would be and decided against bringing Gaiman and Buckingham on to continue where they left off. More than half a decade later and we're finally getting an update.
They were still working on it.
I was confuse when I saw an omnibus comics of this title being sold in our local bookstore in 2012. I was like "oh Marvel has another "Captain Marvel" character. When I read about the story I was more confused glad Drake & his colleagues cleared it up. Despite the issue being convoluted.
Omnibus comics that come from DC or Marvel is overpriced imo it’s like $120
@@rememberthisname9965 hahaha that sucks. It was on sale in my bookstore when I saw it with seal unopened. It was sold at least PH ₱250. (though I can't afford it at the time.) Which if converted in today's currency to dollar is only $3-4.00. It's a reprinted copy from Marvel by Moore run. As I browse to sample copies that was opened. Allowed for viewing. With nudity that caught me off guard. When Marvelman woke up in his dream and taking to his wife.
@@rememberthisname9965 anyway I always question that popular local bookstore. Which have multiple branches nationwide. As it's always sell books for cheap price even the latest release. They are either buying copies in bulk or theirs shady business going on.
@@josephdanieljirehdimacali4418 wow you’re honestly very lucky , well either that or I’m just insanely unlucky. Wish my book stores had a shady business going on, so then I can buy a couple books for a couple bucks
I was confused when I saw that. I figured it was just some other Superman type character from a lesser known company. Then I saw the Marvel logo on the spine and I got it confused with Sentry.
I've only been a subscriber for about 6 months but I'm so glad I found this channel. The quality of your content is truly amazing and very informative.
This was an absolutely WILD ride of a video. That whole rights issue is fascinating. I might have missed this while watching, but I do wonder: does Marvel actually own the old rights to Miracle/Marvelman? Or are those rights still floating around in the void? Still an absolutely fascinating ride of a video! I applaud you for your in-depth research! (Also I squealed when Sasha showed up. I was not expecting to see the wig lord make an appearance haha.)
@@vullord666 My guess is that Atlas had plans to rebrand to Marvel, and they didn't want one of their first comics to come out of their rebrand to be called "Marvelman" out of fear that everyone would think that he represented all the comics they had to offer. I mean, that would make the most logical sense, right?
A lot of respect to Gaiman here, the money going to charity is a great touch.
Great work covering this Drake, I was enthralled more by this, than anything in law school.
Very good and thorough video. A small side detail I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention- When Mick Anglo made Marvelman, he also made another character for a different magazine named Captain Universe, who was another Captain Marvel ripoff (he even had the monicker of "the Super Marvel"). So that's three different Captain Marvel ripoffs that Anglo did. And as a nice bowtie in the end, Captain Universe was then revived in... League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, by Alan Moore, the book he's retired on. Meaning what's arguably his first real major critical hit (at least in more of an independent sense rather than working with a big license like Marvel or Doctor Who) was a story reimagining a Captain Marvel ripoff as a dark edgy deconstruction, and his career ends with a story that while having a similar tone, has a Captain Marvel ripoff in it as a genuine unironic shining beacon of hopeful old superherodom.
*gets sued for making a character too similar to superman*
"Hmm, how can we avoid this happening again?"
*creates a character that is literally a dollar-store superman*
That story of a judge that hit Todd with the Spawn lore as a rebutal or whatever is somehow a bit wholesome, no matter the reason.
Was the judge a fan? Then the fan really had a lot of integrity and it is both admirable for liking the source material but acknowledging that Todd was being an ass
The judge wasn't a fan but felt the need to familiarize with the topic for some reason? It sounds so cool that the judge actually cared for the intelectual property enough to look into it, many would just dismiss it as either "Kiddie stuff" (comics in general, not spawn) or just bs, cool judge.
Did the judge just had a kid or teen related to him that nerded out with the judge when they heard in which case he was going to work and the judge felt compelled enough to listen to their venting/observations of their hobbie? man that's wholesome af and you know it.
Love the idea of a judge researching Spawn for research and coming out of it invested in the lore.
@@matti.8465 That's awesome.
This is absolutely insane! So much bickering and lawsuits between creators all because of stuff that stemmed from the original Captain Marvel. This is probably the messiest and most convoluted battle over comics I've ever learned about.
The Fawcett Captain Marvel comics are legendary. Far better than DC'c Shazam or Marvel's Captain Marvel (not that it's much of a feat) The point being we lose a great line of comics so the big boys could put out garbage.
@@conniethesconnie : Marvel's first Captain Marvel (after they got the rights) was a pretty decent character, and his death (cancer if I recall) is one of the most famous in comics. Most of the iterations since then, esp the latest have been trash and failed to catch on.
Some of it would have been still nuts but DC would have definitely bought up Marvelman if he'd been called Captain Atomik or something.
"Wow, this is pretty complicated!" I say, and then it gets more complicated. This happens several times.
The chain necklace during the Todd Father section is a nice touch. This is a very impressive and in-depth video, Drake! Excellent job. Thank you for letting me have a part in it!
You are THE Spawn guy. Of course I had to have you! Your Moore was too notch.
Miracleman - the hero who has more lore in real life than in his own story.
Me: That’s funny, isn’t Angela also the name of Thor’s sister? Me Later: OH WHAT!
Proof that even when you're a big comic fan, there's always more fun history to discover and learn about. It's my favorite thing about this hobby.
@@ComicDrake yessss for sure!!
17:35 hello there Angela, didn't thought you existed since the 90s, I only knew you from Marvel Snap
Well now we know that Comic Drake, Owen Likes Comics and Casually Comics are all tight. And that just tickles me as pink as pink can be. Not to mention gobs and gobs of other comic tubers. A video about drama showing creators getting along, it's a wonderful juxtaposition
Not skipping through sponsorship cause Drake deserves the $
Thanks for making these vids, as a comic book seller it is really really useful to be able to pop over to this account and see what's going on in the comic book world :)
Glad to know that people from local comic shops are tuning in! By all means, feel free to let your customers know about the channel if they are wanting to find recommendations.
I never understood the backstory when I was purchasing spawn products back in the day this is very enlightening... This is why I was so confused about Tiffany and Angela.. in my young man I thought they both died in that issue..
Like these behind the scenes deep dives. That’s why I like you and comic troupes especially now more so since you’ve both been covering comic book legal drama. Hope y’all collab in the futuure
I'm a huge fan of Chris and would love to work with him. :)
Man so many YT comic creator cameos, even Sasha is here. Also glad that the Todd debacle was covered becacause it makes it 10x more amusing
OLC and Sasha from Casually Comics? I felt like in the Peacemaker finale!!!
7:17 the gun on this cover really reminds me of the rogue trader/warhammer 40k weapons. I reckon they probably took inspiration from this kind of thing when designing them.
I love this series you made!!! Everything is so well researched and fascinating! Hope it does well so you can earn that sweet ad revenue!
This is your GREATEST video EVER!!! I love all of this beautiful insanity!!! Never stop creating brother!
YES! I was waiting patiently and I am hyped to watch the video. Strange Brain Parts introduced me to Miracleman and I've been a fan ever since. Thanks Drake. Any talk of Miracleman is great because it's exposure. I want the Gaiman run to be completed.
This was one of the best videos I seen in a while. I might even sign up for your patreon, love this content!
So I've been following since just a little before you went through that tough time in your life. Happy to see you thriving bro!!! And thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Truly fantastic to see so many of my favorite Comic Book UA-cam personalities in one video! You all did such an amazing job with telling this story! Very complex and full of lots of information and surprising twists! I definitely want to pick up some of those Miracleman books myself! Thank you so much for sharing this project with us all!
You pretty much nailed it. I'm pretty well versed in this subject and still learned A LOT about this legal quagmire.
So fucking awesome that you and Owen had a collaboration, you two and Chris from Comictropes are the ones doing the best job documenting the glory days of American comics.
Just watched Owen Likes Comics’s video on Miracleman, now Drake drops this! Miracleman/Marvelman is honestly such an interesting character, both as a character, and as an actual entity in pop culture
Great work Drake, this was such an amazing and informative video. It's hard to believe that some obscure characters from the '50s could lead to such a tangled web of legal drama that would reach into the next century. I had no idea that the likes of Gaiman, Moore and McFarlane have spent decades engaged in this secret war over a character that I'd never heard of until a month or two ago.
Finally, it was nice to see Owen pop up, after his own excellent video introduced me to the character. Then on top of that, Sasha randomly appears in full judge wig mode - that was the cherry on top!
You know you're fucked beyond any chance of salvation when the judge lectures you on your own comic's lore.
I love how utterly ridiculous this entire saga was
Can you talk about the Ken Penders lawsuit against Archie and Sega? Should be an easier one to cover lol.
You got your wish!
@@Marie-us2dr I was already aware.
This is my favorite video you’ve ever done. I’ve watched it so many times, and thanks to you i hunted down the Marvelman / Miracleman collections
This is the kind of content I love getting from this man, thorough interesting topics that I've _never_ heard about. Stuff like this just shows why you can't trust anything unless it's written down so you have a leg to stand on.
Man this released right when I needed it. I stumbled across Miracleman a couple of months ago, and found his story incredibly interesting. The fact that there was even more going on than the Wikipedia page let on is just mindblowing, and this story is just insane. Incredibly well presented and well done, another great video as usual, Drake!
I've had one of the reprinted volumes on my shelf for awhile and never got around to it, after watching this I definitely wanna see what it's all about!
Nicely done! I've been aware of many of the pieces of this story, but this may be the most complete look at it yet I've seen. 👏
Honestly, Bravo, this was a fantastic video and it has gotten me interested in reading the old Miracle Man stuff. Probably one of your best videos. Great job!
Yoooo I just found your channel and that video was amazing! I love long deep dive videos like this and this one is just so well researched, crafted and presented. Looking forward to going through and bingeing your backlog of videos soon!
Having never heard of any of this before, aside from watching your vid about the Shazam legal issues, I did not know what to expect. Needless to say, this was all way more outrageous than I expected. Kudos to you dude for sifting though all the papers for this, because I have idea how I would have been about to get through all of this, much less make a video about it, and a really good one, at that. Cheers, and I hope it'll get around, because I feel like more people should be aware of this whole bizarre situation, it's really interesting.
Great video.
31:59 Todd is not posing with his lawyer, it's actually Brian Holguin (writer of Aria, Spawn, Jim Henson's The Dark Crystal) who testified in the trial.
1602 is actually my favorite comic of all time. So knowing it came about so Gaiman could sue Todd over his paper thin legal claims makes the entire series just a bit better.
I just was clicking through youtube and found this channel. I enjoyed your vlog. It was thought out and well written. Grats on a wonderful job, sir.
I'll be honest, I will never get tired of hearing about Todd McFarlane taking massive Ls
Absolutely Incredible Rendition!
Nicely done!
If Marvel Studios makes a Miracle Man Movie, they might Rename him to "Kimota".
That was, without a doubt, the most comprehensive and well-articulated version of this saga I've seen - and for some reason I've seen a lot. Well done, Drake!
15:15 This is why Gaimen is the GOAT
That's such an awesome deep dive! Thanks for the work, this must have been a long time researching everything!
That was really good! I hope to see the Ken Penders/Archie Sonic lawsuit one day
Very well done. Big ups for being able to keep all those shenanigans wrangled into a perfectly comprehensible stream of one "OMFG!" after "WTF?!" following an "Oh-ho-ho-ho REALLY NOW?!" and topped off with a "PFFFFT!". I knew a great deal of the story already, but not nearly in as much detail as you presented which filled in some major plot holes for me. Thanks for that! Also, I had fun trying to play the "logo game" with your background the whole time! This is the 1st video of yours that I've ever seen, so I'll be looking at previous installments to see what else ya get divin' deeply into. Again, great job, bub!!
Saying anyone is the Vince McMahon of X is pretty wild thing to say, so I can only imagine the Todd must be a bit bonkers.
Well, yeah. Have you seen some of the characters he’s designed? One thing’s for sure, the 90’s in general had a bit of an attitude problem.
The judge using Spawn lore to rebuttal Todd will live rent free in my head forever.
This is my favorite comic series of all time and tbh the last thing I want to see is Miracleman in Marvel. Wish they would just print the end of Gaimens and call it a day...well and reprint the trades to make it more accessible for the casual fan. The last thing we need is to see him fight Thanos.
Star Wars comics were never part of Marvel canon, so I can imagine they’ll keep Miracleman his own separate thing.
I love how the background is filled with the logos of superhero's and villains with the millennium puzzle just there
Since you mentioned Neil Gaimen, is the a chance we can get a history of sandman as a series? You have done a couple videos about the world and characters so why not the real world legacy
excellent job on this and the previous video.
Awesome video! But, I think we can all agree that nobody named "Todd" has ever made a smart decision or made anything good. Double that if your last name is "Mcfarlan"
I mean, Seth did a good job when he ceded his rights to American Dad to the writers, also the Orville
Todd Howard.... well, I can see what you mean.
@@lucyinchat The Orville isn't even that good, sure it's passable. But not "good". Picard! Now that is a great show and you can tell that Patrick Stewart is just having a ball with it.
Wow! Fantastic job and respect to everyone involved in this. Thoroughly researched and loved the citations! As a lifelong UK comic fan that purchased Warrior no.1 when it hit the newsstands, I found this video to be a fabulous piece of comic journalism! Very, very well done chaps!
Picked it up in the Forbidden Planet same time, huge reader from
Valiant Battle Action 2000AD Starlord Tornado.
I got a singed Judge Dredd Annual from 1982,
Mike McMahon, Alan A Grant , Dave Gibbons, Brian Bolland,
I was 13 and up stairs in a pub, Blew my tiny mind never been the same since,
Also saw The One Above All twice.
@@druunderwood5602 Great times! I used to do the same! Forbidden Planet (and other London comic shops) signings were a must for me. And the fact that you were there at the beginning of all of these guys careers is something special. I got Bolland to sign a copy of Green Lantern Corps because he had done a back up strip in it - he asked me if I really wanted him to sign it! Still got it. It's still worthless as a comic, but priceless to me.
@@joedredd8804 Same here got a Loft full of Comics, Used to spend a lot of time
reading as much as I could, Marvel DC, Stay there all Saturday, Had a lucky comment a few years back, I was watching Agent Carter I see Dottie? I remember Halfrek
from Buffy, I leave a comment on an Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. web site making a joke
about , Spike meets Dottie from Agent Carter and screams not another bloody Underwood!"
Six month later my names in Witchblade, I could not believe it! Long story.
Comic shop in Dagenham? The one that Nick Frost used? Atomic Comics?
Name used to be in the small print for Darkhorse .
Alan Moore's room is still one of my favorite comic runs of all time. Leave him in his own universe please.
Fascinating, thank you so much. I am 58 and live in the UK and remember Warrior like it was yesterday. You have a gift sir.
Why was the voice acting so crisp omg. I honestly didn’t expect to enjoy this video as much as I did, but I’m happily surprised
I love re-watching some older videos because its just fun to either learn some cool lore stuff, or in this case, some cool history chaos!
Great work on this. It was certainly one hell of a trip.
Never expected to hear Neil Gaiman name to be brought up. Glad he found a nice hobby of bitch slapping Todd McFarlane in court.
So Proud of you for this! It came out amazing!
Is it weird that I know that photo of Gary Leach was taken at Orbital Comics near Leicster Square England? It's a shame the store is closed, because it's really had not to notice those yellow shelves. They did a lot to promote Miracle Man when it was reprinted by Marvel. I imagine they would have done the same now.
@@MikaylaJLaird I remember the old Forbidden Planet 23 Denmark Street,
'Tin Pan Alley'
Awesome video as usual. I already knew pretty much everything as I was actually following the whole feud as it happened but you did a great job summarizing and presenting the story in a very easy to follow way. Congratulations.
The first UA-camr that made me watch the whole sponsor thing because you made it seem very interesting 😂
The funny thing about Miracleman coming to Marvel is the fact that Miracleman was created as a copy of the original Captain Marvel (and no, I will STILL not refer to him as Shazam - that's the Wizard).
DC's reaction to this will be ... interesting.
Same here...I'll never call captain Marvel "Shazam."
And Opal Luna will be like , "He's was always one of ours"
@@yellowmartian I shout! "Kimota" When i see the other two just to see what happens?
If that dont work try shouting "Merlin!"
"Mazahs!" Still nothing?
@@druunderwood5602 One of my favorite moments is when The Question (Vic Sage) calls out "Shazam! Captain Marvel! Black Adam!" Renee Montoya asks what is he doing? Question replies, "I was hoping it was contagious."
🤣🤣
This was an absolutely amazing video, for what was basically just legal shenanigans, you made it crazy entertaining.
So what you're saying is I need to immediately make a comic book called Miracle Girl in Marvelous Land so I too can become an infamous character in the comic book industry. Maybe I'll get lucky and make and lose millions of dollars.
watch a 36 minute long video about a comic book character ive never heard of made by a youtuber that ive never come across?
count me in!
This video should be called: Todd McFarlane: A Story of Pettiness
That was such a ride! Great work on putting it all together into a coherent narrative!
The fact that you were able to clearly tell this story is a real miracle
Well done, sir!. I grew up with 2000AD and Warrior came out when I discovered girls. For a teenage nerd living in London, Marvel Man V for Vendetta were awesome. I had no idea the publication history was so convoluted. I'd love to see a live action or animated version, but I doubt it would ever happen. I just hope Marvel don't mess up the character when they decide to publish him again. Thanks for the video. It was brilliant.
It's insane that marvel was willing to go to bat in court for Gaimon.
I know that it benefited them, but still... going to court is risky and expensive
Even from a business perspective, it was a long term investment that could blow up in their faces
Thank you for explaining this whole thing. I discovered Miracleman in its Eclipse Comics form and loved it and hated when it disappeared unexpectedly. I finally found the final issues and tried to enjoy them, though it tried.