New firmware from Sigma: Ver.02 2024.04.18 ・The operational noise during video recording has been reduced. ・Compatibility with continuous shooting of up to approximately 120 frames per second has been added for the focus modes (AF-S/DMF/MF) on Sony α9 III cameras.
I totally agree. The 2x converter (even though you go down to F5.6) is a beast. I use it for wild life video and its an absolute blast when mounted on an A7S3.
I think Sony have influence on Sigma and they forced them to do not add TC support, for E mount. Otherwise why they didn’t implemented this on E mount if they did on L mount?) It is competition between strong man and weak man beaten by strong. It is awful to understand this…
Considering how well these teleconverters work with f2.8 lenses, it is indeed a major advantage to the Sony. I think he 70-200 with a 2X converter would compete favorably with a dedicated fixed 400mm f5.6 lens. Sony is great. I own the Tamron G1. I am happy with its performance AND the price. If I had the budget, I would go for the Sony for all the advantages it has over Sigma and Tamron.
@@photobatya Well, nothing new here. All 3rd party lenses on Sony E mount can't use teleconverters. I guess that's what we get for having "open" mount with no other restrictions in making lenses for Sony cameras. We get a lot (many cheaper, good lenses), but not all. However if it's price we have to pay for all that lens availability, I guess I'm ok with that. I'm more concerned with that 15fps limit.
Just watched a manufacturing video of the Sigma factiry. I didnt realize how humans sre still greatly involved in making lenses. There was a worker hand painting the marking on the lens barrels. Crazy how they're able to offer these lenses at such a price with so many people and steps involved
@@cristian_c YT Algorithm also fed me that video. It was great to see behind the scenes. However, the hand painting was a little less impressive than it first appeared. According to a discussion in the comments, they were actually injecting ink into a pre-machined groove, rather then relying on being ultra consistent with their hand lettering. Still a task requiring precision.
Gerald, no mystery why Sony limits the fps on third-party E-mount lens, it is to protect some sales of their own Sony lenses. Same for no TCs on third-party E-mount lenses. The L version of this lens will take TCs on Leica and Panasonic as well as full fps. Strictly a Sony business decision. Do you really think many would buy the Sony at $1300 USD more if this Sigma was allowed to do 20fps on the A9/A9II, 30 fps on the A1, and 120 fps on the A9III, and with TCs. No way. Cheers and thanks from another Gerald.
Removing the foot is always my first step when getting a lens, especially this size. Non-linear focus is also a head scratcher. You are right about the GMII. It does spoil you especially with weight, how close you can get to the object at 70, and love the pics you get from it. Probably my favorite Sony zoom lens. If I am going to find savings on lenses it won't be here.
As someone who owns the GM II, I don't think I could go to the Sigma for several reasons. Close focusing isn't huge for what I do but is nice to have. The manual focusing was surprisingly one of my favorite parts about the GM II. The parfocal performance is great as well (and I didn't realize until just now tbh). I use the GM II on an RS3 Pro for event coverage, so every bit of weight savings is worth it for me. If I hadn't already used the Sony, then I think the Sigma would be great for most people. I'm just glad to finally see Sigma come out with their version. (Also I love Sigma glass and own their 24-70, so no biases here - well, other than FOR Sigma against other brands that aren't Sony lol)
It seems to be a lens communication protocol speed that causes the 15 FPS limit. Sony lenses since late 2016 use a faster protocol than their older lenses. The later lenses still support the older protocol for the A7 and APS-C bodies. Third-parties either aren't allowed to use the faster speed or choose not use it. Four of the Sony lenses released in 2016 support up to 20 FPS instead of or 15 FPS. The original FE 2.8/70-200 GM supports 30 FPS, but isn't on the list of 120 FPS lenses, so there might be another tier there. The most recent Sony lenses also support Silent Priority Aperture Driver in AF and those lenses also show a AE limitation on the A9III with the aperture getting fixed in busts at 60 FPS or higher.
this is basically sony and how they limit third party lenses. Others may limit autofocus lenses to certain focals, or even say that they only do manual focus lenses and so on. Every camera brand limits third party lenses in some way.
actually fps burst doesnt matter much, because sony sucks at fps burst, unitll you have a9 or a1 LOL... sony is soooo behind in that aspect. and people say they are mad they are limiting third party lenses, while other manufacturers block anything from third party lenses, so it's better than nothing!
Love that in your latest reviews you’ve made a point to show to show how the in-focus and out-of-focus areas transition on these lenses. Also the quality of the out of focus areas.
Only thing that matters to me is sharpness and focus speed... so for $1300 in savings you better believe I am buying the Sigma. I have been buying GM primes and Sigma zooms...and been very happy with my choices so far (Sigma 24-70 and 60-600, Sony 35 and 50 GM). After this 70-200 I will probably get the 14-24 and then possibly an 85 GM II if they ever update it.
I have been doing the same like you with Sony primes and sigma zooms minus the sigma 85 f1.4 dg DN is so much better than the Sony 85 gm. I was curious if you picked up the new sigma 70-200 dg DN and what your experience was. Might pick it up seeing I just parted with the Tamron 35-150 f2.8 which was terrible for action sports. Thanks in advance
Thank you for another awesome informative entertaining photography based content. Whenever something new comes out that I'm interested in. I always look at your video first because you set the benchmark for everyone else's... Love you channel love your work.
Hi Gerald, thank you for the comparison. Would you be able to add the Tamron 70-180 G2 in this comparison. I shoot stills and I think for the money it offers a viable alternative. I would like to see the Tamron's performance from a video guys perspective. BTW, I own the G1 version of the Tamron and very happy with it for still images.
YES! Great Review & sold me. I’ve been looking for a 70-200 but for the L mount & found myself stuck between the native Panasonic vs this Sigma version. I’ve been using this lens solid for over three months now & I do not regret not getting the Panasonic version at all. This lens is tac-sharp and fits my needs perfectly.
Ive been waiting for this lens since 2700 is out of my budget. I would like to see a comparison between the sigma and the Sony GM1 since they are closer in price.
Considering how close the GMii and Sigma are, and how much better the GMii is than the original GM, the Sigma is going to kick the original GM's butt from an optical standpoint. The only advantages the original GM would have would be TC compatibility and >15fps shooting speeds.
Okay, so here is a fact that many people do not know that I learned from a friend who works high up at Sigma. The 70-200mm Sony f2.8 ii was actually made by Sigma for all these years. Sony had actually prevented Sigma from making their own version.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think your issue with the focus and zoom ergonomic switch has to do with a choice giving an increased focus breathing performance.
I use the GM II for casual shooting, going outside with a single lens. A bit heavy but not unmanageable. The Sigma just too heavy. Still great to have this option with a kickass lens!
10:05 It is for one and only reason - to make you buy Sony lens :D the same reason why FB compensation is not working and the Active Stabilization is worse on all nonSony lenses.
I agree on the misplaced zoom ring.. I normally let ergonomics slide some.. but my hand naturally sits where their focus ring is and I need that to be my zoom.. I’d have to pass on this for the GM II for the better placement, size, weight, and better AF despite the differences in price.. my current first gen GM has been through the wringer and served well but I’m upgrading to the II soon..
I've noticed a lot of 3rd party manufacturers are doing this now with the zoom and focus rings being switched on the barrel. I really don't know why. Its such a huge annoyance for me!
I've had a Sigma 150-600 zoom for 2 years and the focus rotates the same direction as all my other lenses (clockwise for foreground and counter clockwise for things further away). My Tamron 18-400 is exactly the opposite--the only lens I've owned that does this--and I hate it! Non-linear focus is not an issue for me. The price on this lens is fantastic.
@@Curtis-Randall I'm more embarrased that you think sigma lenses are the peak of optical performance, and for the fact that you don't understand how important good ergonomic focus rings are in production. Focusing becomes an extension of your body, and if 1 of your many lenses focus is in the opposite position, it's obvious you would make mistakes when switching between them.
Currently I have the 70-200 Gm1 and having tested the 70-200 gm2 as soon as I get enough money I’m selling my 70-200 and getting the gm2 it’s such a crazy ass lens for the wieght and how optically great it looks
Excellent review, very detailed and informative. I've heard many people using them lenses for weddings. I would have liked to see a comparison in the field. Also, does is the OS on Sigma any helpful? Sony does have image stabilization on the body so it would have been nice to see if the OS on the lens provides something more or not. Anyhow, one of the best reviews I've seen. It's not only the content, it's the presentation as well, if not more, and you nailed it.
Clicked on this video so excited. 6 mins in and I’m almost devastated. Am I really going to get this lens only because it’s cheaper? The zoom focus ring swap is really killing me as well as the other ergo issues. Wonder if I change my mind by the end of the vid 🤔
@@geraldundoneI have not changed my mind, after you got to the auto focusing rant, I just thought, why did they make such a good lens just to nerf it? I feel like they are doing this on purpose. Saying all this I still can’t afford the G master sooooo 👀
Love the fact it is Black. I really wish Sony and Canon would make BLACK 70-200mm lenses. They really do not need to be white until they are monster primes.
Hi Gerald, I love your work and the details you put into your videos. Would you be doing a full in-depth assessment of the Sony a9iii and the new insta 360 Ace Pro?
Listening only with the occasional glance to scrutinize comparison shots, knee-jerk reflex to the word "nipples" was auto-negated until followed by "squirrel had a mouthful" which invoked the freeze response, quickly followed by a rewind to confirm albeit too late, the mental image was starkly implanted, that will teach me to not look away while listening, damn you Gerald.
that zooming noise could be the autofocus adjusting to shift focus. maybe it gets parfocal at some point with a firmware update. The lensehood, zoom ring and collar are such a bad decision ...
"When you're on a photo walk and you see a dog, you have to take a picture of it." Yes, I do believe this is an unbreakable law! :D What a beautiful good girl!
I'm in the market for an e-mount 70-200mm and I struggle to pull the trigger on the sony one so I was excited about the sigma. but the non-linear focus pulling is a deal breaker for me.
This lens is a great option for L-mount… and that’s it. I wouldn’t pick it for Sony, there’s better alternatives there. If one can live with the limitations in frame rate and teleconverters, then the G2 Tamron is a better pick, and if one can’t, well, you go with one of the GMs.
Why does nobody compare the Sigma 70-200MM to the og sony 70-200mm GM when comparing price points? It is still being sold new. Personally it doesnt make any sense to me.
I am currently looking to buy a 70-200 but I would've like to see some comparison with the 70-180 of tamron or maybe I'm spoiling another video where you compare the three of them 🤔
How is the optical stabilization? As a filmmaker I really like the 70-200 G master for some extreme close-ups. I wonder if I'll be able to shoot handheld with it and have - sorta - stable footage.
Isn't Sigma much heavier than GM2 as well? I mean $1200+ difference is certainly a lot but when you add up all the features that GM2 has, such as 30fps burst, teleconverters, lighter weight, linear focus, etc I think GM2 is still worth the investment IMO.
All this “features” are not very hard to implement, except weight, which is not very critical on this kind of a lens. Besides sigma already have teleconverters. It looks like as artificial limitations from Sony, in this way they can sell their lenses many times expensive. It is pure and not fair capitalism
Weight is definitely a factor. Even as someone who can rep 225, if you are shooting all day with a 70-200mm, you will it in your shoulder the next day.
@@dsdddsd4543we I have shot several events with Tamron 35-150, which weights 1.1 kg, it is heavy, another guy worked with canon 70-200 L which weights 1.5 at the end of the day (10 hours) I can’t say we were tired differently, convenient camera strap in this case much more important, than 200gr.
This lens feels so odd/disappointing after such a long wait. Why wouldn't they include their modern lens hood, make the foot easily detachable, and why correct focus breathing for videographers but not have a linear focus ring. Then there's the question of where this fits. The lens is same size as sony but so much heavier. What real advantage does this lens have over the tamron g2? Just the 20mm extra on top? Is iq different from the tamron?
IQ on the Sigma is noticeably better at 200mm than the Tamron at 180mm, without factoring in that small difference in focal length (so an even bigger difference in the real world for subjects far enough to need 200+mm. Plus the Sigma zooms internally and has optical stabilization, which generally works better on longer lenses than IBIS.
@@TechnoBabble is this compared to the original tamron or the G2? The G2 does have tamron's stabilization, which supposedly isn't as good as sigma. But these are such minor differences for a lens that's like half the weight and considerably more packable
@@randomlyunknown2012 Sorry yes, the G2 does have optical stabilization but it's not quite as good. Like I said, all comes down to how much that weight and size matter. I would personally go for the Sigma, but I also shoot with their Art 40mm f/1.4, which is one of the heaviest stills primes in that focal length range ever made. I don't mind the size and weight because I can handle it fairly easily and it gives me better technical image quality. For most people, that doesn't matter. The more important thing would be the better build quality and the internal zooming for better sealing.
@@TechnoBabble fair enough. I guess after I had the G1 for a little, I got used to being able to carry it around everywhere in the smallest bag, and without being obnoxious. And it would take so much for me to give that up now, that the sigma just doesn't make sense for me to get marginally better image quality.
@@randomlyunknown2012 Haha, totally understandable. I'm a big technical image quality nerd, so for me it's the complete opposite. If it gets me better image quality I guess I'll just have to work out a little more.
I'm wondering if you tested this lens on moving subjects and how well the autofocus worked in comparison to the GM II? Other reviewers said the GM kicked the Sigma's butt in this regard. Not only greater FPS, but a higher percentage of hits. I have pre-ordered the A9 III. With that camera, Sigma is not in the game with this zoom.
@GeraldUndone always love to see your reviews! ❤ But you should seriously consider putting your criticism at the very end of your video! The moment I hear the complaints, I'm like OK, nothing here for me and sometimes I don't even bother finishing the video ..
Is there any chance you could compare the DJI drone cameras? Let's say Mavic lineup vs Air! I am searching to find actual picture quality comparisons in video and photo! That would be awesome.
The premium you pay for the Sony is not so much for the image quality but to access the teleconverter, unlocking 8 stop stabilization, higher fps, and other features only available to first party lenses.
I feel like the big lens companies are lacking when compared to cheaper lens companies lately. Non-linear focus is a non-buy for me and many others since video is such an important thing in our industry right now. Also add in noisy focus, wrong spot for the rings and no real gain other than price, I can't see this lens getting popular. The 35-150mm 2-2.8's have taken over the wedding business in my corner of the planet and I can't see anyone buying a 70-200 instead of a 35-150 when upgrading or getting something to cover a "medium/long range". Specially with that almost parfocal zoom and decent manual ring, which are also in the right spot. I've been groaning for a while when I have to pull out the 12-24 sigma for ultrawides, specially seeing the small and light Sony ultrawides. But then again, I would rather use 3 cameras with 3 small prime lenses (like a 20mm, 55mm, 135mm) than 1 camera with 1 huge lens that does everything.
No linear manual focus? Can you clarify if this might just be your copy of the lens or if that will be final across all production models? CVP’s review indicates that there is indeed linear manual focusing with a longer throw than the Sony. Confusing, and as a video shooter, no linear manual focus is a no-go for me.
I don't think I've used a Sigma that has linear MF. It's pretty obvious and performs like all the others. Slow turns have really long throw, fast turns have short throw. If you mark it with tape the focus isn't repeatable.
@@geraldundone maybe I’m using “linear” incorrectly, but my Sigma 24-70 DG DN for E-mount definitely has repeatable manual focus. I had assumed this new 70-200 would be in line with that.
Big oofs on the ergo part for me. The price difference might be significant, but if those kinds of ergo quirks prevent someone from using a lens as much, then the difference in relative value of the lenses may not be as large as it first appears. I think this is the first time ever that I've said I would prefer the Sony lens over the Tamron or Sigma version, regardless of price.
I certainly didn't expect to hear the words "doggy nipples" today.
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Almost choked myself for that🤣
ahah the outro had me in tears
Well, now you did. Good luck telling your grandkids about it someday LOL
He reminds me of a young Ben Assflack.
New firmware from Sigma:
Ver.02 2024.04.18
・The operational noise during video recording has been reduced.
・Compatibility with continuous shooting of up to approximately 120 frames per second has been added for the focus modes (AF-S/DMF/MF) on Sony α9 III cameras.
Been waiting 5 years for this lens! Can’t wait to hear how it is 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
There is another huge advantage of Sony lens... It works with 2x and 1.4x converters and for me, that's the deal braker.
I totally agree. The 2x converter (even though you go down to F5.6) is a beast. I use it for wild life video and its an absolute blast when mounted on an A7S3.
I think Sony have influence on Sigma and they forced them to do not add TC support, for E mount. Otherwise why they didn’t implemented this on E mount if they did on L mount?) It is competition between strong man and weak man beaten by strong. It is awful to understand this…
Considering how well these teleconverters work with f2.8 lenses, it is indeed a major advantage to the Sony. I think he 70-200 with a 2X converter would compete favorably with a dedicated fixed 400mm f5.6 lens. Sony is great. I own the Tamron G1. I am happy with its performance AND the price. If I had the budget, I would go for the Sony for all the advantages it has over Sigma and Tamron.
@@boristahmasian9604 I agree! The price and performance of the Tamron is absolutely unbeatable!!
@@photobatya Well, nothing new here. All 3rd party lenses on Sony E mount can't use teleconverters. I guess that's what we get for having "open" mount with no other restrictions in making lenses for Sony cameras. We get a lot (many cheaper, good lenses), but not all. However if it's price we have to pay for all that lens availability, I guess I'm ok with that.
I'm more concerned with that 15fps limit.
Just watched a manufacturing video of the Sigma factiry. I didnt realize how humans sre still greatly involved in making lenses. There was a worker hand painting the marking on the lens barrels. Crazy how they're able to offer these lenses at such a price with so many people and steps involved
Saw the same video, the handmade painting was 🤯.
@@cristian_c YT Algorithm also fed me that video. It was great to see behind the scenes. However, the hand painting was a little less impressive than it first appeared. According to a discussion in the comments, they were actually injecting ink into a pre-machined groove, rather then relying on being ultra consistent with their hand lettering. Still a task requiring precision.
Gerald, no mystery why Sony limits the fps on third-party E-mount lens, it is to protect some sales of their own Sony lenses. Same for no TCs on third-party E-mount lenses. The L version of this lens will take TCs on Leica and Panasonic as well as full fps. Strictly a Sony business decision. Do you really think many would buy the Sony at $1300 USD more if this Sigma was allowed to do 20fps on the A9/A9II, 30 fps on the A1, and 120 fps on the A9III, and with TCs. No way. Cheers and thanks from another Gerald.
Best. Outro. Ever. Acid trip #247. I love the humour you're working into your videos. The Undone Show rocks!
Removing the foot is always my first step when getting a lens, especially this size. Non-linear focus is also a head scratcher. You are right about the GMII. It does spoil you especially with weight, how close you can get to the object at 70, and love the pics you get from it. Probably my favorite Sony zoom lens. If I am going to find savings on lenses it won't be here.
Tamron: You can't have a tripod foot.
Sigma: You MUST have a tripod foot!
This guy thinks of every angle, nobody's more thorough in their reviews. 🦖👍
As someone who owns the GM II, I don't think I could go to the Sigma for several reasons. Close focusing isn't huge for what I do but is nice to have. The manual focusing was surprisingly one of my favorite parts about the GM II. The parfocal performance is great as well (and I didn't realize until just now tbh). I use the GM II on an RS3 Pro for event coverage, so every bit of weight savings is worth it for me. If I hadn't already used the Sony, then I think the Sigma would be great for most people. I'm just glad to finally see Sigma come out with their version. (Also I love Sigma glass and own their 24-70, so no biases here - well, other than FOR Sigma against other brands that aren't Sony lol)
Well, for Panasonic Lumix users the sigma lens is a first Party lens as part of the L-Mount Alliance.
It seems to be a lens communication protocol speed that causes the 15 FPS limit. Sony lenses since late 2016 use a faster protocol than their older lenses. The later lenses still support the older protocol for the A7 and APS-C bodies. Third-parties either aren't allowed to use the faster speed or choose not use it. Four of the Sony lenses released in 2016 support up to 20 FPS instead of or 15 FPS. The original FE 2.8/70-200 GM supports 30 FPS, but isn't on the list of 120 FPS lenses, so there might be another tier there. The most recent Sony lenses also support Silent Priority Aperture Driver in AF and those lenses also show a AE limitation on the A9III with the aperture getting fixed in busts at 60 FPS or higher.
this is basically sony and how they limit third party lenses. Others may limit autofocus lenses to certain focals, or even say that they only do manual focus lenses and so on. Every camera brand limits third party lenses in some way.
Aren't some Tamrons actually allowed to surpass that limit of 15 FPS? The focus motors on them seem better than the likes of Sigma too.
actually fps burst doesnt matter much, because sony sucks at fps burst, unitll you have a9 or a1 LOL... sony is soooo behind in that aspect.
and people say they are mad they are limiting third party lenses, while other manufacturers block anything from third party lenses, so it's better than nothing!
So did I make a good decision on the new Sigma over the Sony 70-200 first generation?
Love that in your latest reviews you’ve made a point to show to show how the in-focus and out-of-focus areas transition on these lenses.
Also the quality of the out of focus areas.
Only thing that matters to me is sharpness and focus speed... so for $1300 in savings you better believe I am buying the Sigma. I have been buying GM primes and Sigma zooms...and been very happy with my choices so far (Sigma 24-70 and 60-600, Sony 35 and 50 GM). After this 70-200 I will probably get the 14-24 and then possibly an 85 GM II if they ever update it.
I have been doing the same like you with Sony primes and sigma zooms minus the sigma 85 f1.4 dg DN is so much better than the Sony 85 gm. I was curious if you picked up the new sigma 70-200 dg DN and what your experience was. Might pick it up seeing I just parted with the Tamron 35-150 f2.8 which was terrible for action sports. Thanks in advance
Hello from the future. There is indeed now a Sony 85mm GM 2.
Thank you for another awesome informative entertaining photography based content.
Whenever something new comes out that I'm interested in. I always look at your video first because you set the benchmark for everyone else's...
Love you channel love your work.
Yesss been waiting for this (lens AND review)
Hi Gerald, thank you for the comparison. Would you be able to add the Tamron 70-180 G2 in this comparison. I shoot stills and I think for the money it offers a viable alternative. I would like to see the Tamron's performance from a video guys perspective. BTW, I own the G1 version of the Tamron and very happy with it for still images.
Great job on the video Gerald! Thanks for making it.
It's great that the sigma controlsfringing better - wasn't expecting that! Great review Gerald!
It would be interesting to compare these two lenses against the new Tamron 70-180 f2.8 GII
YES! Great Review & sold me. I’ve been looking for a 70-200 but for the L mount & found myself stuck between the native Panasonic vs this Sigma version. I’ve been using this lens solid for over three months now & I do not regret not getting the Panasonic version at all. This lens is tac-sharp and fits my needs perfectly.
Ive been waiting for this lens since 2700 is out of my budget. I would like to see a comparison between the sigma and the Sony GM1 since they are closer in price.
Considering how close the GMii and Sigma are, and how much better the GMii is than the original GM, the Sigma is going to kick the original GM's butt from an optical standpoint. The only advantages the original GM would have would be TC compatibility and >15fps shooting speeds.
我兩款鏡頭都有 GM1更好
Would've liked to see Tamron 70-180mm G2 added to the comparison
The what?!
@@mrc4nl sorry typo 😅
ughhhh I would kill for an RF version
I have the EF version of the Sigma 70-200 the only thing that a con to me is the weight. But great len
Thank you, this is now on my to buy list.
Okay, so here is a fact that many people do not know that I learned from a friend who works high up at Sigma. The 70-200mm Sony f2.8 ii was actually made by Sigma for all these years. Sony had actually prevented Sigma from making their own version.
if thats true, thats wild af and makes a lot of sense- that would probably explain the bad ergonomics due to sony being up their ass...
Song?
lol 😂😂😂
Show irrefutable proof of this statement, or it didn’t happen!
@Walkingclaxxicthat’s Tamron Sony owns a lot of. It’s been rumored for a long time that Tamron also makes many of Sony’s own lenses.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think your issue with the focus and zoom ergonomic switch has to do with a choice giving an increased focus breathing performance.
I use the GM II for casual shooting, going outside with a single lens. A bit heavy but not unmanageable. The Sigma just too heavy. Still great to have this option with a kickass lens!
Why is the Sigma talking to the mothership when focusing 😭
10:05 It is for one and only reason - to make you buy Sony lens :D the same reason why FB compensation is not working and the Active Stabilization is worse on all nonSony lenses.
the zoom ring being on the front drives me insane slowly. I'm always grabbing the wrong one on instinct.
Does it supports teleconverters?
Not for E mount
@@frankfeng2701 ahahaha… another artificial limitation from Sony I think. Because customers need some reasons for paying extra money
It does in L mount
yoooo i just checked your sub count. when did that jump happened?! But well deserved!
I agree on the misplaced zoom ring.. I normally let ergonomics slide some.. but my hand naturally sits where their focus ring is and I need that to be my zoom.. I’d have to pass on this for the GM II for the better placement, size, weight, and better AF despite the differences in price.. my current first gen GM has been through the wringer and served well but I’m upgrading to the II soon..
I've noticed a lot of 3rd party manufacturers are doing this now with the zoom and focus rings being switched on the barrel. I really don't know why. Its such a huge annoyance for me!
I've had a Sigma 150-600 zoom for 2 years and the focus rotates the same direction as all my other lenses (clockwise for foreground and counter clockwise for things further away). My Tamron 18-400 is exactly the opposite--the only lens I've owned that does this--and I hate it! Non-linear focus is not an issue for me. The price on this lens is fantastic.
I was thinking how could the AF sound like a dial up modem. Then when I heard it, you’re exactly right!
Most annoying thing about the sigmas is the opposite zoom and focus ring rotation
Exactly. Only reason I do not want sigma lenses 😭
except that Ive been using sigma since day1.. so things like this like a second nature to me
haha that's funny because for me that is the right way because I started on Canon. Now on my Lumix S5 I only use Sigmas xD
@@Curtis-Randall I'm more embarrased that you think sigma lenses are the peak of optical performance, and for the fact that you don't understand how important good ergonomic focus rings are in production. Focusing becomes an extension of your body, and if 1 of your many lenses focus is in the opposite position, it's obvious you would make mistakes when switching between them.
@@MarkusFinholt its really not that deep lmao. just use the lens for a day or two and you'll get used to it and your wallet will be much happier
Very timely review as I'm considering a GMII... still unsure but thanks!
Currently I have the 70-200 Gm1 and having tested the 70-200 gm2 as soon as I get enough money I’m selling my 70-200 and getting the gm2 it’s such a crazy ass lens for the wieght and how optically great it looks
Excellent review, very detailed and informative. I've heard many people using them lenses for weddings. I would have liked to see a comparison in the field. Also, does is the OS on Sigma any helpful? Sony does have image stabilization on the body so it would have been nice to see if the OS on the lens provides something more or not. Anyhow, one of the best reviews I've seen. It's not only the content, it's the presentation as well, if not more, and you nailed it.
Zoom ring kills it for me
Clicked on this video so excited. 6 mins in and I’m almost devastated. Am I really going to get this lens only because it’s cheaper? The zoom focus ring swap is really killing me as well as the other ergo issues. Wonder if I change my mind by the end of the vid 🤔
Give us an update! :)
@@geraldundoneI have not changed my mind, after you got to the auto focusing rant, I just thought, why did they make such a good lens just to nerf it? I feel like they are doing this on purpose. Saying all this I still can’t afford the G master sooooo 👀
@@geraldundonealso, “I’m Gerald Undone and your an absolute disgrace! You’re A cheat!” 😂
Love the fact it is Black. I really wish Sony and Canon would make BLACK 70-200mm lenses. They really do not need to be white until they are monster primes.
Hi Gerald, I love your work and the details you put into your videos. Would you be doing a full in-depth assessment of the Sony a9iii and the new insta 360 Ace Pro?
Love your videos! So helpful!!
And... Tamron 70-180 G2?
Listening only with the occasional glance to scrutinize comparison shots, knee-jerk reflex to the word "nipples" was auto-negated until followed by "squirrel had a mouthful" which invoked the freeze response, quickly followed by a rewind to confirm albeit too late, the mental image was starkly implanted, that will teach me to not look away while listening, damn you Gerald.
Hey man can you review the Tamron 70-180 (G1 and/or G2)? Would love to see your thoughts on Tamron's competitor!!
Very odd that Sigma would go back to the screw locking hood instead of the button release bayonet style ones they've had for a while on the Art line.
In 20 years I've never removed the collar.
5/10 bad video, the host seemed full of himself, the guest (bear) didn't get a word in
Lost me at the tripod foot.. and the weight, and the non linear focus... Image quality is great but handling is super important for me.
Will you be reviewing the a 9 iii?
Isn't the sigma supposed to have active stabilization? How does it bode for video shooting?
I lift so weight is no issues at all, plus the collar will fit perfectly in my hands for stability
that zooming noise could be the autofocus adjusting to shift focus. maybe it gets parfocal at some point with a firmware update. The lensehood, zoom ring and collar are such a bad decision ...
a7s3 vs nikon z8 would be amazing
"When you're on a photo walk and you see a dog, you have to take a picture of it." Yes, I do believe this is an unbreakable law! :D What a beautiful good girl!
I'm in the market for an e-mount 70-200mm and I struggle to pull the trigger on the sony one so I was excited about the sigma. but the non-linear focus pulling is a deal breaker for me.
Thought this day would never come.
Love it. 08:43 Sounds like a 70s alien computer lol
Its 1700 EURO here in Europe. 1850-1900 USD!
This lens is a great option for L-mount… and that’s it. I wouldn’t pick it for Sony, there’s better alternatives there. If one can live with the limitations in frame rate and teleconverters, then the G2 Tamron is a better pick, and if one can’t, well, you go with one of the GMs.
I don’t know why lens companies don’t use a similar lock that flashes use to lock to the hotshoe for their tripod mounts/legs
Why does nobody compare the Sigma 70-200MM to the og sony 70-200mm GM when comparing price points? It is still being sold new. Personally it doesnt make any sense to me.
I'm more comfortable choked up more - gerald 2023.
You missed a huge point of contention: teleconverter support.
I am currently looking to buy a 70-200 but I would've like to see some comparison with the 70-180 of tamron or maybe I'm spoiling another video where you compare the three of them 🤔
How is the optical stabilization? As a filmmaker I really like the 70-200 G master for some extreme close-ups. I wonder if I'll be able to shoot handheld with it and have - sorta - stable footage.
Isn't Sigma much heavier than GM2 as well? I mean $1200+ difference is certainly a lot but when you add up all the features that GM2 has, such as 30fps burst, teleconverters, lighter weight, linear focus, etc I think GM2 is still worth the investment IMO.
All this “features” are not very hard to implement, except weight, which is not very critical on this kind of a lens. Besides sigma already have teleconverters. It looks like as artificial limitations from Sony, in this way they can sell their lenses many times expensive. It is pure and not fair capitalism
I agree and thought the same thing…
@@photobatyaweight not critical? Maybe, but definitely important for whoever handheld it and carry it around for traveling.
Weight is definitely a factor. Even as someone who can rep 225, if you are shooting all day with a 70-200mm, you will it in your shoulder the next day.
@@dsdddsd4543we I have shot several events with Tamron 35-150, which weights 1.1 kg, it is heavy, another guy worked with canon 70-200 L which weights 1.5 at the end of the day (10 hours) I can’t say we were tired differently, convenient camera strap in this case much more important, than 200gr.
I love all these squirrel shots in the lens reviews!
This lens feels so odd/disappointing after such a long wait. Why wouldn't they include their modern lens hood, make the foot easily detachable, and why correct focus breathing for videographers but not have a linear focus ring. Then there's the question of where this fits. The lens is same size as sony but so much heavier. What real advantage does this lens have over the tamron g2? Just the 20mm extra on top? Is iq different from the tamron?
IQ on the Sigma is noticeably better at 200mm than the Tamron at 180mm, without factoring in that small difference in focal length (so an even bigger difference in the real world for subjects far enough to need 200+mm. Plus the Sigma zooms internally and has optical stabilization, which generally works better on longer lenses than IBIS.
@@TechnoBabble is this compared to the original tamron or the G2? The G2 does have tamron's stabilization, which supposedly isn't as good as sigma. But these are such minor differences for a lens that's like half the weight and considerably more packable
@@randomlyunknown2012 Sorry yes, the G2 does have optical stabilization but it's not quite as good.
Like I said, all comes down to how much that weight and size matter. I would personally go for the Sigma, but I also shoot with their Art 40mm f/1.4, which is one of the heaviest stills primes in that focal length range ever made.
I don't mind the size and weight because I can handle it fairly easily and it gives me better technical image quality. For most people, that doesn't matter. The more important thing would be the better build quality and the internal zooming for better sealing.
@@TechnoBabble fair enough. I guess after I had the G1 for a little, I got used to being able to carry it around everywhere in the smallest bag, and without being obnoxious. And it would take so much for me to give that up now, that the sigma just doesn't make sense for me to get marginally better image quality.
@@randomlyunknown2012 Haha, totally understandable. I'm a big technical image quality nerd, so for me it's the complete opposite. If it gets me better image quality I guess I'll just have to work out a little more.
I'm wondering if you tested this lens on moving subjects and how well the autofocus worked in comparison to the GM II? Other reviewers said the GM kicked the Sigma's butt in this regard. Not only greater FPS, but a higher percentage of hits. I have pre-ordered the A9 III. With that camera, Sigma is not in the game with this zoom.
@GeraldUndone always love to see your reviews! ❤ But you should seriously consider putting your criticism at the very end of your video! The moment I hear the complaints, I'm like OK, nothing here for me and sometimes I don't even bother finishing the video ..
Is the sigma better than the v1. I want to buy one Asap but I'm stuck. The v1 and the new sigma price is pretty close.
Sigma or tamron 70-180 f2.8 g2? I think thats the choice most people are making, not GM 2
the handling is my least favorite part, really wish the zoom ring was in the middle 🙂↕️
God i hate when the zoom ring is on the outer position on a 70-200 but for the money seems like a capable lens
Is there any chance you could compare the DJI drone cameras? Let's say Mavic lineup vs Air! I am searching to find actual picture quality comparisons in video and photo! That would be awesome.
would direct you to Philip Bloom, he hast lots of DJI Videos
I will check him out, thanks@@TechMediaLifr
What about focusing in video?
"Please tell me, can I use the Sigma lens with FX 30 cameras?" Will there be any restrictions?
We should make a petition to end third-party lenses' max frame speed limits on Sony bodies... :/
UA-camr photographer: I like the satisfying clicky sound
Professional Photographer: omg
how does it compare to the tamron 70-180?
I’m pretty sure it’s Sony limiting the fps for third party lenses. I also think it’s messed up.
Imagine having one lens, from 24mm to 200mm. or 80-300mm. Life is too short for short zoom range.
Obviously it's a no brainer to go for the Sigma. I see no reasons (not significant enough anyway) to waste a tonne of more money for the Sony GM.
The premium you pay for the Sony is not so much for the image quality but to access the teleconverter, unlocking 8 stop stabilization, higher fps, and other features only available to first party lenses.
Need g2 tamron vs sigma to see whts got a better hit rate at moving subjects
Whats the likelihood to see this on fuji X mount?
What is going on with that focus noise!?! Is there a tiny WOPR computer inside?
I feel like the big lens companies are lacking when compared to cheaper lens companies lately. Non-linear focus is a non-buy for me and many others since video is such an important thing in our industry right now. Also add in noisy focus, wrong spot for the rings and no real gain other than price, I can't see this lens getting popular. The 35-150mm 2-2.8's have taken over the wedding business in my corner of the planet and I can't see anyone buying a 70-200 instead of a 35-150 when upgrading or getting something to cover a "medium/long range". Specially with that almost parfocal zoom and decent manual ring, which are also in the right spot. I've been groaning for a while when I have to pull out the 12-24 sigma for ultrawides, specially seeing the small and light Sony ultrawides.
But then again, I would rather use 3 cameras with 3 small prime lenses (like a 20mm, 55mm, 135mm) than 1 camera with 1 huge lens that does everything.
No linear manual focus? Can you clarify if this might just be your copy of the lens or if that will be final across all production models? CVP’s review indicates that there is indeed linear manual focusing with a longer throw than the Sony. Confusing, and as a video shooter, no linear manual focus is a no-go for me.
I don't think I've used a Sigma that has linear MF. It's pretty obvious and performs like all the others. Slow turns have really long throw, fast turns have short throw. If you mark it with tape the focus isn't repeatable.
@@geraldundone maybe I’m using “linear” incorrectly, but my Sigma 24-70 DG DN for E-mount definitely has repeatable manual focus. I had assumed this new 70-200 would be in line with that.
It's similar to the 24-70. So if you're happy with it. You'll like this.
I still miss the old studio 😢
I have the GM II sold my left and right vasectomied nutts to get it but hey.. It was worth it..
Big oofs on the ergo part for me. The price difference might be significant, but if those kinds of ergo quirks prevent someone from using a lens as much, then the difference in relative value of the lenses may not be as large as it first appears. I think this is the first time ever that I've said I would prefer the Sony lens over the Tamron or Sigma version, regardless of price.
What sucks is that no matter how good these third party lenses get Sony continues to cap them at 15 fps
how about video active steadyshot performance on sigma vs sony
Ok. It may not be the perfect specs, but it's perfect for me