Making Records with Eric Valentine - Episode 28 - Finishing The Control Room

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  • @kkjhn41
    @kkjhn41 11 місяців тому +54

    The dark material around the screens and speakers makes a lot of sense and absolutely looks better. Just as the sand color tubes with the couches at the back of the room look coordinated. The way it is now the front looks like an unfinished patchwork.

    • @michaela.1198
      @michaela.1198 11 місяців тому

      Agreed

    • @MurrayWilliams
      @MurrayWilliams 11 місяців тому

      Dark disappears and light features things. I’d say it’s best to make absorption disappear. Go dark fabric.

    • @pankakekid
      @pankakekid 11 місяців тому

      yep, 2 tubes and all the flat panels. Dark. I agree

  • @macrobeastie2923
    @macrobeastie2923 11 місяців тому +33

    100% yes to the dark fabric 👍🏼

  • @the_thrill_as_himself
    @the_thrill_as_himself 11 місяців тому +26

    darker color for sure... what an amazing space. thanks for taking us along for the ride. living vicariously through this journey has been great. thank you.

    • @AA_MusicGuy1111
      @AA_MusicGuy1111 10 місяців тому

      Def make the front panels dark color

  • @melodicaudiomusicgroup
    @melodicaudiomusicgroup 11 місяців тому +19

    Thank you for involving us on this journey from when it started Eric.

    • @MrGeesbouer
      @MrGeesbouer 11 місяців тому

      Change it to dark grey for sure!

    • @melodicaudiomusicgroup
      @melodicaudiomusicgroup 11 місяців тому

      @@MrGeesbouerGrey for sure!!!! I was about to send you this video hahaha,look at you 🤣

  • @cornerliston
    @cornerliston 11 місяців тому +18

    Yes to the dark fabric. Good thinking.

  • @jdubbs9655
    @jdubbs9655 11 місяців тому +3

    Indeed! Go for the Grey! Eric, I would LOVE a T-Shirt depicting the before and after graphs of where you started and where you arrived! Congratulations!!! "Keep Doing That Voodoo That You Do!"

  • @georgegeranios2918
    @georgegeranios2918 2 місяці тому

    What an incredible journey from concepts to completion and more to come. Fascinating!

  • @Yawsounds
    @Yawsounds 6 місяців тому +1

    Building my first semi legit studio. These tubes are a GAME CHANGER. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE 🙏🏿

  • @TheLevy59
    @TheLevy59 11 місяців тому +1

    Your journey of building this room is amazing, this is probably the best studio-building documentary ever made, I learned so much. Thank you!

  • @anthonycronk2001
    @anthonycronk2001 11 місяців тому +8

    Would be interesting to see a fuzz measure graph of what your cheap adam monitors sound like in such a well treated room

    • @DMKahn
      @DMKahn 10 місяців тому

      +1

  • @blairyoung2461
    @blairyoung2461 11 місяців тому +6

    congrats on finishing the control room! looking forward to more production deconstructions 😍

    • @mrwev
      @mrwev  11 місяців тому +7

      Yes! I am excited to get back in to those videos!!

  • @Tonymeister87
    @Tonymeister87 11 місяців тому +1

    Another vote for darker at the front. I agree it'll make the screens a little easer to lock into! What an amazing space, thanks so much for putting in so much extra effort to bring us along with you on the journey. Can't wait to hear what you create in here! And definitely put me down for a workshop if you decide to do them!

  • @tootory9506
    @tootory9506 11 місяців тому +1

    Eric, I also want to tell you your explanation for why you went down this path is so refreshing and relatable -
    I relate to your videos, thought process and style in so many ways.
    I want to say, the detail, and passion in which you explained at around 41:30
    on why you went down this path on your own was completely real and inspiring!
    Every Word, ment so much and I think it's a great lesson for anyone taking on any project..
    Sometimes you just have to do it yourself, cover all the bases, just keep pushing till ya get there... and know you will get there...
    Don't give up! At the end of the day you didn't have to depend on someone else.
    You can keep track of the process and all your blood and sweat are in it!!!
    Man that will just resonate even more from the final creation...
    When you say how "some may call you a crazy person and you'll take all that, It's all good"
    I want to be one to tell you that you're not crazy.
    You Are totally inspiring, you're a hard-working genius!
    A killer mixer, and all the time, energy and focus you have put into your projects have come back tenfold every time! ⭐
    Thanks for all that you share with us! 🍻

  • @PIERSBARONtv
    @PIERSBARONtv 11 місяців тому

    Thank you for these videos; I made some serious upgrades to my studio and have reaped massive rewards. THANK YOU!

  • @OssianOtt
    @OssianOtt 11 місяців тому

    I just love watching these videos Eric, thanks for being so thorough with your reasoning and explaining in such detail!

  • @natlove219
    @natlove219 11 місяців тому

    A big congrats to all that incredible effort you put in Eric 🎉… again your generous and discerning spirit is much appreciated over “hear”. I’ll take your learnings when I build. Thank you so much.

  • @AntiTeatarMusic
    @AntiTeatarMusic 11 місяців тому +1

    Congrats ! I didn't have any doubts that you're gonna get to that point seeing how determined you are. Big thanks for sharing ! I think I would go for the dark fabric around speakers and monitors too!

  • @cjspectrum424
    @cjspectrum424 11 місяців тому

    What an absolute joy to watch. Thank you for sharing!

  • @tommckeown6970
    @tommckeown6970 11 місяців тому

    Thank you for taking the time to do this. It's very informative and gives me some ideas on how I might solve some room acoustics issues as well.

  • @kelvinfunkner
    @kelvinfunkner 11 місяців тому

    I absolutely LOVE the way you're not pushing your son into doing what you guys do, and letting him learn by exploration! This "unlearning" approach is what we did with our boys and they've completely DOMINATED in their respecive fields (older son in music and younger son in graphics, video and programming)

  • @greenloungerecording9362
    @greenloungerecording9362 11 місяців тому

    Erik. I really enjoyed these youtube videos of your journey. Your obsessive nature came through the whole story and I totally appreciated it. Some great information throughout.

  • @hummarstraful
    @hummarstraful 11 місяців тому

    This video was an amazing summary and chock full of great information. Everyone should save this video. Thanks, Eric.

  • @aaronnewberry
    @aaronnewberry 11 місяців тому

    This journey has been awesome to watch! I hope to get a full walkthrough of the studio once it's all complete!
    As for the front wall fabric, my vote is stay with the contrast that's there, the current fabric contrasts so well against the mechanisms on the wall, it's nice.
    Have a lovely day!

  • @emelyhedel
    @emelyhedel 11 місяців тому +1

    thank you so much for sharing the whole process, your process ✨ so good to see and hear where patience, hard work and passion can lead!

  • @innsidesound
    @innsidesound 11 місяців тому

    thanks eric for this series and sharing your experience - your approach is absolutely amazing 🙂

  • @RonnieLeBlancMusic
    @RonnieLeBlancMusic 11 місяців тому

    stunning work man! Thank you for the updates!!

  • @calebwhitlockmusic7222
    @calebwhitlockmusic7222 11 місяців тому +6

    I think that dark gray would eliminate a little bit of distraction/visual clutter, and would effectively open up the space a bit. It wouldn’t be a massive difference, but worthwhile!

  • @sanctipaprichio
    @sanctipaprichio 10 місяців тому

    FInally I watched ALL of the episodes, it is crazy how much knowledge you're sharing with us, thank you so so much! (and greetings from Avid!)

  • @castlestreetrecords
    @castlestreetrecords 11 місяців тому

    Amazing stuff Eric, very jealous of your amazing control room. I have videos from when I was your sons age that are exactly the same so funny!

  • @stephenfleming8030
    @stephenfleming8030 11 місяців тому +1

    That looks like an incredibly comfortable and cool room to work in. Amazing.

  • @avibortnick
    @avibortnick 11 місяців тому +3

    Amazing. Eric, can I suggest that you publish this for either AES or the Acoustical Society, or both? Because I work in acoustics, and I've never seen a more detailed and objectively measured exploration of controlling room modes. I think it would be super valuable info. Also I think the decision to stay rectangular is correct. There's basically no way to predict modes in a non-rectangular room (except perhaps now with Treble software) but you can (sort of) do it with simple shaped rooms. And you're absolutely correct, that so many high end control rooms have super uneven low-frequency sound fields.

  • @MoreSpaceEcho
    @MoreSpaceEcho 10 місяців тому

    From the graph it looks like you're within +/-5db even without the eq, which is really really good. Such a pain in the ass trying to figure out where the weird nulls are coming from and how to fix them, but so satisfying when you do.
    I vote dark gray for the front.

  • @erickurbinatoranzo9914
    @erickurbinatoranzo9914 7 місяців тому

    Great great stuff thanks for sharing

  • @soulflower8687
    @soulflower8687 10 місяців тому

    What an amazing father you are. The wisdom to just let your son be who he wants to be.

  • @fiddlefolk
    @fiddlefolk 11 місяців тому

    Nothing but respect and admiration for you Eric! I like the fact that you look to achieve certain results and you don't stop until you get exactly what you want. If you need to fire up the old Singer sewing machine or split some big PVC tubing, Eric's going to find a way! Thank you for sharing all of this experience, lessons learned, and the fun of just getting to see the progress you've made...

  • @blashuvec
    @blashuvec 11 місяців тому +2

    just wanna say you're such an amazing dad, Eric!!!

  • @kelvinfunkner
    @kelvinfunkner 11 місяців тому

    can't even express how wonderful it's been that you've brought us all on this journey with you! I love the care you've given in replying to all the questions, including mine! And the way that you've passionately sunk all the time and work into testing all the treatments so that we don't have to, is such a service to the audio community! The only possible downside is that the cost of Tube Traps might go through the roof! lol. btw...my new favorite audiophile catchphrase is now "phasey disaster roller coaster ride of low frequency insanity" hahhahahaha!

  • @coondog209
    @coondog209 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for documenting all this Eric👍

  • @DanielGlenTimms
    @DanielGlenTimms 11 місяців тому

    Looks great and I bet it sounds fantastic! Congrats

  • @vaughanband
    @vaughanband 11 місяців тому

    the darker colour fabric is a good idea, go for it

  • @palsheldon6520
    @palsheldon6520 11 місяців тому

    My wife saw Grace recently at the Ryman.. She loved it.. Our neighbor is playing guitar with her..

  • @castawaymusic144
    @castawaymusic144 11 місяців тому +1

    She's a Beauty! One in a Million rooms. 😀

  • @robcraig3441
    @robcraig3441 11 місяців тому

    What an accomplishment! Go with the dark fabric & thanks for sharing the process.

  • @iamyila
    @iamyila 11 місяців тому

    thanks for sharing so much insight, I've also taken your approach to testing and listening, and now I have three giant tubes on my floor, these tubes have tubes in them, so big tube has six little tubes inside ;) oh and def go grey back wall.

    • @evoltap
      @evoltap 11 місяців тому +1

      I like the look of the tubes now that they’re covered, especially with the plywood wrap on every other one

    • @iamyila
      @iamyila 10 місяців тому

      @@evoltapyeh I'm into that, my tubes I have just needed a cloth wrap.

  • @stacyodell15
    @stacyodell15 10 місяців тому

    You’re nuts!!! Lol😂 thank you Eric for sharing your journey! ❤

  • @shanegrush
    @shanegrush 11 місяців тому

    Aesthetically, I agree that the front wall being covered in a grey fabric will help “blend” those utility panels and the screens.
    FWIW, I think the room needs more contrast. It’s a little “one note” of light shades and yellow.
    If the wood were walnut or darker, you’d have some nice, darker tones to contrast the sand fabric. The beige carpet is the outlier here for my taste. I’d pull that and make the carpet compliment the wood tones. So, you’d have the sand fabric, walnut wood, and a carpet color that complimented the wood tones. Perhaps a lighter, or medium grey tone.
    That subjective fodder aside, it’s such a cool room concept, EV. You’re a master.

  • @MartinMartin-yi9to
    @MartinMartin-yi9to 11 місяців тому

    Very nice CR by the way. Thanks for sharing all this info. Cheers!

  • @echology
    @echology 5 місяців тому

    thank you Eric, what you do is just invaluable and awesome! have you tried doing measurements in different positions in the room just to see if this flat curve is somewhat relevant?

  • @Studio8Recording
    @Studio8Recording 11 місяців тому

    This is what I admire maybe most about you Eric. You cut through the shit / hype and get the facts of the matter in every aspect of sound. Thank you once again!

  • @sdanis
    @sdanis 10 місяців тому

    Great video!! Thank you for sharing!

  • @danivalles7638
    @danivalles7638 11 місяців тому

    Amazing achievement, congrats Eric!

  • @chrisdover8507
    @chrisdover8507 11 місяців тому +2

    I also think the room looks great, certainly doesn’t have a mad scientist look. I’m still a little lost on the tube trap construction if you could do a detailed construction video. Glad you’re back Eric. Fingers crossed you get the call for Guns n Roses 🤞

  • @djcrote76
    @djcrote76 11 місяців тому

    It looks super nice Eric! Hope you make tons of records in there!

  • @TehSyneS
    @TehSyneS 11 місяців тому

    so epic, thanks for bringing us along!!

  • @acatx9877
    @acatx9877 11 місяців тому +2

    you could try to pull out the right cone with a vacuum, it worked with the atc in my studio, no damage!

  • @TehSyneS
    @TehSyneS 11 місяців тому

    Congrats on the new band!!! Wow thats awesome! Just protect his ears!!

  • @tootory9506
    @tootory9506 11 місяців тому

    Eric-I have experience with the same situation with the screens and adding a dark background instead of the light beige I originally had...
    And I tell ya, making everything dark around the screens really sets your focus at the screens and made a huge difference in my space and enjoying my screens and work flow.
    As long as you have ample light sources to make up for the loss of reflection from the beige background you're good to go with the darker colors..
    I hope you do it. Can't wait to see it. Congrats on getting to this stage. So happy you're happy!
    It really looks awesome and You did so much work!!! s
    S much of your energy is in that building already! -- Let the music flow 🎉🥳⭐️⭐️🍻🎶🎵☮️

  • @AdamGotheridge
    @AdamGotheridge 11 місяців тому

    What a huge difference. Also voting for black on the front, but defer to Grace. Thanks for the whole journey!

  • @richdewhittaker1746
    @richdewhittaker1746 11 місяців тому

    Awesome build! Tube traps for the win… congrats!!

  • @revrocks
    @revrocks 11 місяців тому +6

    Yes, go with the dark grey. And get some tape and pull out the dust cap on that speaker cone, it’s tweaking my OCD. “The illusion of a finished look”, my life’s philosophy.

    • @brianmclendon1647
      @brianmclendon1647 10 місяців тому

      The speaker is also bugging the hell out of me as well, gotta get that thing fixed ASAP!!!!

  • @yungspoiler
    @yungspoiler 11 місяців тому +1

    would the tubes with 1 inch walls work as good as the one with 2 inch walls? ive seen online that the 1 inch wall versions are slightly cheaper (10 inch diameter to make it 12 inch outer diameter) as compared to the 2 inch walls (8 inch inside to make it 12 inch outside). any thoughts or experience with thoses differences?

    • @mrwev
      @mrwev  11 місяців тому +3

      I've only used 2" (Vermont) and 1.5" (Barefoot Recording) tubes and both worked well. I didn't have an opportunity to quantify any difference between those two. I have never tried 1" so I can't say for sure that they would be better or worse. You may have to buy a few of each type and compare them. If you have a chance to do that definitely let everyone know what the results are :)

  • @Ramplcro
    @Ramplcro 11 місяців тому

    I want to really thank you Mr. Valentine. You have really made a public service to all of us interested in acustics with your incredible journey documenting your progress. I really hope your facility will be operating to your liking and you will enjoy it even more.
    Other then that personally i like more a brighter/whiter appearance to the room. But I guess what more important question is, while working, what comfortable and non distracting the different colors/shades are to you personally?

  • @AdamSoucyDrums
    @AdamSoucyDrums 11 місяців тому +1

    Dark fabric in front for sure! That’ll tie things together really nicely

  • @barbierash2137
    @barbierash2137 11 місяців тому +2

    THE SHAGGS!!!!

  • @falldowngoboone
    @falldowngoboone 11 місяців тому

    Yes to the dark gray. Congrats on finishing the room (ish)!

  • @orsi
    @orsi 11 місяців тому +1

    The dark fabric would look great to break up the amount of beige that's already in the room.

  • @henningbortne8650
    @henningbortne8650 11 місяців тому +2

    Hi Eric. Calling from Oslo Mastering. Couldn't agree more about the thoughts of all the studio with big budgets sounds craps. I have done like you, did all by myself and it's one of best sounding rooms in the hole country. 8 hz to 23khz. But why not cover the hole wall with fabric? Then the tubes are behind the fabric and you have nice flat wall? Thanks for making these videos ❤

  • @mattperreault3518
    @mattperreault3518 11 місяців тому

    Looks incredible!! The dark gray is a cool idea but I’m with you . Doesn’t really matter much. Looks great already!

  • @danbronson
    @danbronson 11 місяців тому +1

    Have you measured the RT60 across the frequency range? Very curious where it ended up and your thoughts on ideal RT60 times for mixing music. Thanks for showing your process and congrats on being done the control room!

  • @apanalbert
    @apanalbert 11 місяців тому

    Yes! Definitely go with the darker fabric!

  • @Journeymanlive
    @Journeymanlive 11 місяців тому

    looking great, congrats Eric ! I'm at the start of building a studio, and I'm tempted to leave the floor open between the speakers and me ( with a metal grid + cork, the sound will then cross the studs and rockwool into the basement) . It's a bold move, to NOT finish the hard floor structure, but basically it supresses the floor reflection in the low-end. I think Rue Boyer studio in Paris have pull that off as well. Have you ever seen that ? or anyone ? I am also curious to see your cork floor with good lighting!! pretty awesome choice. All the best music to you, in your new gorgeous space!

  • @matiascova
    @matiascova 11 місяців тому +1

    heroic.

  • @theheatstudio
    @theheatstudio 11 місяців тому

    I would say yes do it! It would obviously look cooler but I’ll give the feeling that the space is bigger. Go for it!

  • @nikgalanopoulos383
    @nikgalanopoulos383 10 місяців тому

    21:23 "I don't know... I just... It's a sickness" this made me LOL, I completely relate Eric :D

  • @imdrecordings
    @imdrecordings 11 місяців тому

    I would do the dark fabric for the front wall, black even. Beautiful room!

  • @timgosden5519
    @timgosden5519 11 місяців тому +2

    Definitely do the grey at the front! 👌

  • @EDEN-LIMINAL
    @EDEN-LIMINAL 11 місяців тому

    Congratulations, Eric!

  • @merlinproductions7374
    @merlinproductions7374 11 місяців тому

    the dark grey would look awesome, you got my vote there eric

  • @darrenjensen1933
    @darrenjensen1933 11 місяців тому

    Well done the room looks amazing. Just wondering if you could build a fabric frame that covers the whole back wall instead of covering each tube individually ? Cheers

  • @Somebodysomewhere2
    @Somebodysomewhere2 10 місяців тому

    Great videos eric !how do you make the tube traps

  • @jwreturn
    @jwreturn 11 місяців тому

    Learned a lot, tks! congrats, enjoy the vids, please keep it up! 👍 Leave it tan, or make it black vs. grey? Slowly doing something similar but on a much smaller scale.

  • @lmrecorders
    @lmrecorders 11 місяців тому

    Totally vote for the dark fabric on those panels. I'd even consider wrappin the first couple tubes on the ceiling with the dark fabric to chill out the reflection from the monitors.

  • @jimmyether
    @jimmyether 11 місяців тому +1

    Yes to the front of the room in dark grey

  • @half-tonstudios6961
    @half-tonstudios6961 10 місяців тому

    Congratulations on the finished room Eric! Has anyone found a good supplier for fibreglass pipe insulation tubes in the uk by any chance? All the ones I've seen are foil covered - I don't know if that makes a difference?

  • @stevedoesnt
    @stevedoesnt 11 місяців тому

    I did the same with my son, he never really developed any interests. It really made me wonder how much the limitations on when I could play drums and when I couldn’t had an impact on my drive to really want to do it all the time.

  • @paulwinaudioltd
    @paulwinaudioltd 11 місяців тому

    1,000,000% dark frame the screens. You will also be able to run screens at a lower brightness, easing eye-fatigue, if the y don't have to compete with the brighter surrounds...
    Amazing transformation in the eleventh hour. Gorgeous now - although I'll always think fondly back to the "box of Tampons" look!
    Congrats man....success.Now enjoy!

  • @sawthootwave
    @sawthootwave 11 місяців тому

    Congrats for the excellent job! Do you have a reverb analysis (RT60, 1/3 Oct). that would be great additional info about how the room turned out... and how it compares to mine ;)

  • @Djnitrane
    @Djnitrane 11 місяців тому

    +1 for the Grey. Will contrast nice with the wood frame around the rack space as well. Or you match the desktop colour to that sand colour and see how that feels.

  • @CarstenGoeke
    @CarstenGoeke 11 місяців тому

    Hi Eric. What you said between 42:00 and 44:00 is so interesting to me. I don´t think that i´m able to treat my space to an acceptable listening room in the near future for various reasons. I think it would be better for me to buy really good working headphones instead. Do you have any advice? Thanks so much and greetz. Carsten✌🏼

    • @mrwev
      @mrwev  11 місяців тому

      The headphones I use are nothing special. I use Audio Technica M50s. I am used to them now and I can get pretty far with those. The only thing that is still very difficult for me to figure out on headphones is the lowend. For some reason I still need to feel that in the room :)

  • @ernieg
    @ernieg 10 місяців тому

    I’m in California Where can I find these tubes ???

    • @mrwev
      @mrwev  10 місяців тому

      Here is a link to the Johns Manville dealer locator. That is how I found the place I purchase from in Vermont. There should be plenty of places in CA. www.jm.com/en/insulation-locator/

    • @ernieg
      @ernieg 10 місяців тому

      @@mrwev thank you , what are they called by the way?

  • @aaroncupples54
    @aaroncupples54 10 місяців тому

    I'd love to see waterfall and reverb response charts. From my own experience getting a flat response is only part of the battle. For EG: if your reverb time is too short at certain frequencies you might add to much reverb etc. Thoughts?

  • @benthomas8290
    @benthomas8290 11 місяців тому

    Hey Eric, looks fabulous as it is. The whole wall being black and dark grey could serve to close in the space. Anyway, whatever works for you is best

  • @Stormsurf001
    @Stormsurf001 11 місяців тому

    I like the idea of a darker colored fabric in the front of the room. Give it a try!

  • @nolanmarshall3212
    @nolanmarshall3212 11 місяців тому

    The dark material would also create a neat depth of field illusion, potentially making the room feel larger!

  • @HandsUpDK
    @HandsUpDK 11 місяців тому

    Dark grey fabric! Possibly also a big beige fabric over the back wall of tubes would look a lot cleaner, so it just looks like a solid surface

  • @SessionsRecording
    @SessionsRecording 11 місяців тому

    Dark Gray in front, YES... For sure. Thanks for asking. Amazing journey.

  • @markholley
    @markholley 11 місяців тому

    I’d love to see the entire back wall the darker color. That would ROCK!

  • @castawaymusic144
    @castawaymusic144 11 місяців тому

    Pin the new fabric to the existing panels....they would look like dark grey curtains?

  • @diegooliveirabenjamin
    @diegooliveirabenjamin 11 місяців тому

    Definitely go for the dark grey fabric

  • @jeffsalvatore7441
    @jeffsalvatore7441 11 місяців тому

    That's a cool room. I'm new to this series. Does anyone mind telling me more about those tubes? What are they made of? I'm assuming an absorption and diffuser in one? Does it help with the low end? Seems pretty lightweight in the video. Again, awesome room and a great frequency response. How are the decay times in there?