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- Опубліковано 11 сер 2021
- Star Trek The Next Generation s04e07 Reunion
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@@shawnbechard3680 You're welcome, had a few people say the description is easy to miss on mobile app so I figured I'd pin it as well :) Maybe now I'll get less people asking what episode/outro music etc :)
Good of you to put the episode number up. Now I can skip to it if I want to watch it in full.
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@@tjwparso To be fair most people probably forget about, or ignore the descriptions, & go straight to the video, & comments section. I fall into the I forgot it exists category. lol
"This is Gowron"
"Do the eyes!" - the Director of every Gowron Episode
😂😂😂😂😳
Oh, you're so silly... the director doesn't even have to ask.
The director this episode was Jonathan Frakes and yes, he really did tell O'Reilly "keep doing that eye thing".
O'Reilly replied "What eye thing?" and had to look at footage to see what he was doing.
Worf? WORRRRRFFFF!!!!!!!
Hey, the eye thing got him the job in the first place.
2:27
“That’s Gowron.”
Gowron: (ಠ_ಠ)
😆
"Is he dead?"
"Not sure, poke him with a stick."
"...and if that doesn't work waft a bowl of beans under his nose!"
Only the ritual part, for sure. A proper doc will have confirmed the death with better methods.
We're talking about Klingons, we're not gonna use a stick. Poke him with a CATTLE PROD.
I feel like this was inspired by what they say happens when the Pope dies. When he dies they call out his real name (as opposed to his pontifical name) and tap him three times with a silver hammer to confirm he is dead. It's more for ritual these days if they still do the hammer bit since they just have an actual doctor confirm it.
@@joec9693 God the Catholic church is so weird. "We'll tap him with a hammer but it has to be fancy...make it silver."
Picard: "K'mpec believed it was either Duras or Gowron."
Worf: "Captain, have you seen Gowron? If he wanted K'mpec dead, his eyes alone would have accomplished the task. It was Duras!"
HA! NICE! :D
Duras: [Jabs Kempek longer than anyone with no effort to hide the clear malice and discontent on his face]
Everyone: "we're not sure who the traitor is"
Picard: we will proceed according....
Kimpek: man that was a great nap, what's going on guys?
"Dude I think I just got 11 straight hours."
Excellent acting notes in the Sonchi ceremony. Picard is rather disgusted by having to basically assault a dead body, Gowron is following the tradition respectfully. Then Duras comes along and can't be bothered to go through the official motions and just tries to drive the painstik through him because he low key hates K'mpec and is glad he's dead. He just wants power and doesn't even care about his people's traditions.
Of course Duras was glad that K'mpec was dead. He poisoned him.
yeah, I kind of just noticed that Picard does about as much as required, poking K'mpec in the right breast, around the heart. Gowron does the same, with a bit more force, and more center. Duras thrusts it into, NOT THE HEART, but the sternum, upper stomach.
@@davidlewis5312 With a hard thrust at the end.
Picard was forensic, Gowron was satisfied, Duras was spiteful.
Good analyzation. Duras was only interested in self, while for the moment, Gowron was interested in the best interests of the Empire.
Don't forget K'Ehylar, subtle and understated. Everything she says sounds ice cold. That last line sounds like it carries so much in it.
"That's Gowron"
Gowron: 👀
2:27 "That's Gowron. And that's Gowron's Stare."
That's the look of a warrior that eats his beans!
And drinks his prune juice?
Sometimes Klingons can't control their rage and explode in anger, literally
Some can even explode twice.
@@Dowlphin Sometimes it's preceded by a ceremonial jump, before the explosion happens.
The cycle of facial expressions on Worf's face at 1:30 when Picard tells him it was poison... he realizes that shit has gone WAY off the rails. It goes from K'mpec was murdered that's too bad, to poison? What the Fuck?!? To K'mpec was poisoned...ohhh shit, that's horrific, that's dishonorable...what kind of snake? This is the worst case scenario. It's great.
When Picard said it was poison, Worf knew it was Duras who used poison.
It's important because it expresses the Klingon social belief. Killing is fine, but you do it head on in a fashion of battle. Now you can stack those odds as best as possible in your favor, but you still need a head on fight. To do otherwise means breaking an extremely important social taboo.
Well-delivered exposition with Picard and Worf. There is a lot of story for the audience to understand if the plot is going to make sense and have an impact: backstory, multiple previous episodes, Klingon politics, in addition to the offscreen drama that led up this moment. The scene is well-written and well-acted, with just two actors bouncing off of each other dynamically. This could have been clunky or boring in less-capable hands.
This episode made me wish I could speak Klingon. It is so well written that the events at the end matter. It was to me what finally hooked me on TNG when I decided to binge watch.
Michael Dorn absolutely crushed his character. I really can't think of anyone else as Worf. Now there is a solo story worth telling.
@@kilroy3579 I would like to see a Worf series, whether live action, or animated. Let's use it to tie up loose ends from TNG and DS9, and give closure to the Worf character, like they are doing with Picard.
except that the klingon stuff is all too silly to be taken seriously
Well said.
The Klingons deserved their own spinoff, man. They had some of the best episodes.
Preferably the TNG-DS9 version rather than Disco version.
If you want a sterling example of what an episode from a Klingon spin-off show would be like, look no further than DS9's 'Soldiers of the Empire' and 'Once More Unto the Breach'.
@@ArcaneAzmadi Excellent choices.
The Klingon video games alone are worthy of being canon!
Always interests me that Gowern ended up basically doing everything everyone thought Duras would do: start a war with the Federation, became self serving and corrupt, and lead the council and Empire on a downward spiral, entrenched in dogma but no logic.
When the system is sufficiently rotten, the figure at the top doesn't matter.
In fairness, it was the Federation that picked the fight with the Dominion by continuing to enter the Gamma quadrant to do scientific missions and setup colonies even after being told to stop invading their turf they had claim to for centuries. Klingons had no such motivation to do the same. And yet, the Federation filled with its pacifists did nothing to prevent the spread of Dominion aggression in return and they weren't choosey who their targets were - anyone from the other side of the wormhole was fair game. You can't expect a Klingon to back down from that kind of thing. In essence, the Federation created its own dish to have an interstellar war.
@@oldtwinsna8347 But Dominion space is pretty far away from the Gamma Quadrant terminus of the Wormhole. The Dominion already had designs on the Alpha Quadrant. Even the Federation's exploration missions weren't real provocation. Not when they baited the Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order into trying to erase the Founders only to decapitate both organizations in one fell swoop. Then they put an impostor Martok in position to goad the Klingons into being hyper aggressive. They played the Klingons perfectly. The Klingons weakened Cardassia, then weakened themselves, and the Federation while Cardassia looked to the Dominion for help. All according to plan.
Took him a bit longer
2:30 Ladies and gentlemen: Ol' Crazy-Eyes is back!
Robert O'Reilly FTW!
We know almost nothing about Gowron at this point, but he makes a strong impression. He's not a man that you would mess with, that's for sure. When he stares with those eyes full of madness, I think of all the people who may have died looking into them.
Actually this was Gowron's first episode.
He had also been in an episode of Knight Rider. His eyes give it away.
A Good Knight’s Work and KITTnapped
@@kellyweingart3692 He also had a small part in the movie "Good Luck," starring Gregory Hines and Vincent D'Onofrio.
"Worf. You're the most honorable man I know. If men like you are willing to tolerate men like Gowron then, what hope is there for The Empire?"
The most honorable man that abandonned his child several times. Screwed his brother over who had everything taken from him... his family possible killed... accepted decommandation yet cried about it at every possible chance...
@@easygrin1127 Worf didn't abandon his child, he sent them to live with his grandparents because life was too dangerous on the Enterprise and Alexander didn't like it there. Gowron screwed his brother over when Worf refused to attack Cardassia over a false assumption. A lot of the stuff you're complaining about gets fixed in DS9 if you've ever watch those episodes.
@@Rob-hv5zq yes thats Worfs sude of the story... everyone else had their kid living with them but the soo called warrior. Alexander was a unconvenience for Worf same as Kurn.
@@easygrin1127 you whine like a sniveling Ferengi.
Interesting how K'Ehleyr's pragmatic and honest view of the Klingon Empire matches Ezri Dax's!
First appearance of GOWRON'S EYES 👀
2:11 "His heart is not Klingon." The worst insult Worf could pull out right there.
The first appearance of Gowron.
1:19 Microexpressions like this, the way Sir Stewart gives it an entire beat, are some of the things that made his acting so great.
The way Du'ras uses his pain stick...you know he was the one who poisoned K' mpec...hope I spelled there names right.
The Audience always assumed it was Duras that Poisoned K'Pec, but It could have well been Gowron. Something interesting to think about, this is why Old Star Trek was great.
You're right. Most of the audience assumed it was Duras. However, I always thought it was Gowron who killed K'mpec for the following reasons:
1. Worf said that Gowron was an outsider who challenged the high council many times. He clearly did not like K'mpec and had a motive for killing him. Duras, on the other hand, was probably reluctant to kill the man who covered up his father's crime.
2. The way Gowron smirks when he hits K'mpec with the pain stick during the Sonchi ceremony. He was clearly pleased that K'mpec was dead. Duras didn't react at all.
3. Gowron almost admits that he killed K'mpec when he tries to bribe K'Ehleyr into making Picard speed up the Klingon rituals and she refuses.
Gowron: "K'mpec was also stubborn. He too refused to listen. NOW . . . he is gone. You need not make the same mistake."
K'Ehleyr: "K'mpec was OLD and WEAK. I am NOT!"
Gowron laughs and walks away, almost like he is saying, "Keep telling yourself that."
I remember watching this when I was a teenager and thinking to myself, "Man . . . they are BOTH without honor. The Klingon empire is in trouble regardless of which one of them wins."
Also what K'mpec said about a man who would use poison would be capable of anything, even war with the Federation.
Well, guess what Gowron did as Chancellor on DS9.
@@starwolf99 your right, i do remember him saying this.
My guess it was Gowron that poisoned K'mpec but it was Duras that planted the bomb. Gowron was an outsider (non-Council member) so his window of opportunity as being a challenger was limited. More so, he likely calculated only he and Duras would be challengers and he would know his prowess with the blade was superior over Duras, so he could win in honorable combat. Else, without killing K'mpec he could've gone on living another 20 years ruling the empire, to which by then Gowron would be irrelevant since he couldn't keep opposing the High Council and get away with it. Duras, meanwhile, only had to bide his time since he was a full Council member and already had K'mpec wrapped around his finger as a puppet.
I would still say it was Duras via the method used. K'mpec said that his bloodwine had been poisoned over months. Duras is the one who was consistently close to K'mpec, as opposed to outsider Gowron. In this regard, Duras had opportunity.
2:32 I see Beans in those eyes!
The burden Worf and his family took on to make sure the Klingons maintained the level of stability they had.
I like the very short pause by Picard after Worf says “Permission to speak freely.” Picard is not sure it is a good idea.
If your tlhIngan Hol is a bit rusty, "Qab jiH nagil!" means, "Face me if you dare!" What a Klingon way of conducting such a ritual. "Sonchi," by comparison, is very straightforward: "He is dead."
"He was murdered . . ." : m e h
". . . with poison!" : _REAL SHIT_
I love how, in the TNG-DS9-Voyager-Enterprise era, whenever the writers needed Klingons to be especially evil, they just used a member of the Duras family. Would have been nice to L'Rell be challenged by a member of the House of Duras in Season 2 of Discovery just to continue that trend.
They are the enduring asses.
Worf's expressions again..
"K'mpec was murdered" 😐
"..poisoned" 😱
A Klingon murdered a leader for power. Ok.
A Klingon poisoned a leader for power. (Insert every Klingon word or phrase related to lack of honor).
3:31 you can see the K'mpec actor breathing.
Wow, I never noticed that.
Wow, you are right. Seems like bad acting and /or crew work to me. If the actor had an issue holding breath in a super-relaxed post for a while, then they could have equipped his outfit with a hidden breathing space. He only had to sit there motionless anyway, so not hassle.
Plot Twist/Supposition: Maybe it in fact, _was_ actually Gowron who poisoned K'mpec.
That's an interesting observation. K'mpec no doubt would have had plenty of enemies after being the leader of the Klingon Empire for so long. I don't think it makes much sense to lay his death at the feet of Gowron, however. For all his vindictiveness and selfish grasping for power, Gowron always worked within the bounds of Klingon law and tradition. He's a perfect example of lawful evil.
When he threatens K'Ehleyr, it certainly seems that way. I also heard a scene was removed from the script that implicated Gowron more heavily, to let the viewers decide.
I am a reminded of what K'mpec said about a man who would use poison would be capable of anything, even war with the Federation.
Well, guess what Gowron did as Chancellor on DS9.
I knew that Duras was the one who poisoned K'mpec. Gowron would not have used poison because he believed in honor, unlike Duras. Duras was a Romulan ally. It would have been interesting if Duras became Chancellor. The Klingon Empire would withdraw from the peace treaty with the Federation and become a Romulan ally again. The Federation would be forced to ally with the Gorn Hegemony. I wished they made the Gorns as a major power. They would be opposing the Romulans. Both races use plasma-based weapons.
I believe it was Gowron that poisoned K'mpec but he did not plant the bomb. Duras was a full Council member while Gowron was not - he was a political outsider. i.e. he was a vocal critic and while he likely had royal bloodlines, his window of opportunity of remaining relevant to the people had a limited lifespan. Meaning, the people would eventually tire of him he if he did not rise in political prominence. K'mpec could've easily have lived another 20 years ruling the Empire. That would be the kiss of death for Gowron to remain relevant and he would never have a shot of being Chancellor. Duras, meanwhile, just had to bide his time and he would get his shot. Not to mention, he already had an active conspiracy with K'mpec so having full control of the Empire was not as hungry to achieve as it did with Gowron.
"That's Gowron"
*Gowron proceeded to stare a hole into the audience*
"Well... that seemed to have finished it."
"That's Gowron."
Gowron: O_O
Worfs reaction to being told it was poison that killed Kempek is everything we would expect from the most Klingon of the entire empire.
And now you know what happens when you eat too many beans on a Klingon ship.
Honestly the problem was the Gahk. It was a bit lifeless.
GOOD SCENE MAN!
THANKS FOR THE UPLOAD!!
This is such an incredible episode. In some ways it's better than Redemption.
Never noticed the small detail of Duras holding the device differently than Picard and Gowron (who both respect Klingon traditions).
Show, don't tell. _TNG_ often did an excellent job of that.
Gowron's eyes always made me laugh 😂😂😂😂
0:54 Picard seemed to forget that lesson in "Journey's End."
Journeys end happens in season 7
Uh yeah I realize that.
2:29 the first time we see Gowon, HIS EYES !!!!
The eyes gave it away when he was in an episode of Knight Rider. You could tell who he was without the makeup.
K'Empec must be the strongest Klingon known in the Empire! He can sleep in a chair and take multiple stabs from a painstick and not even be stirred. I don't know why the elaborate ceremony thinking he's dead.....I can see him breathing 🤣🤣
That's some heavy breathing going in. Looks like a snore, and some of the dialogue is ADR it seems. It is now my head canon he fell asleep on set.
What do you know of Klingon law?
- 'Not much, but I did eat three cans of beans today, so I think I can do it.'
Gagh with beans sounds like a traditional Klingon meal!
Hold on, he still breathes.
Worf: I know little of Gowron. Only that he's an outsider and has challenged the High Council. But Duras, I know him because I slapped the taste out of his mouth!
The scene between Picard and Worf....excellent writing, excellent acting.
😳 Wow...somebody really farted there at the end from the beans being consumed... 😆
I get a serious Blazing Saddles vibe where one of the Klingons asked for some more beans, then gets responded to with "you've already had too many" and immediately explodes.
don't worry Picard Worf will choose the next two leaders of the empire
3:07 I never noticed this but you can actually see Km'Peck breathing during this scene.
While Worf’s essentialist claim is faulty - I do think he’s right that a Klingon didn’t kill K’mpec. Duras would have killed Gowron to secure the succession, not K’mpec to force the conflict when the succession wasn’t secured yet. Whoever killed K’mpec didn’t want Duras to lock down succession - they wanted a civil war where Duras would need them.
It was the Tal’Shiar.
last thrashing of dinosaurs
those eyes... those fucking eyes... 0_0
Would be funny as HELL , if all those joltz restarted his heart !!!! Lmao!!!
Man Klingon burritos are murder... must be the beans.
Kempek must have been an amazing leader for nobody to challenge a fat warrior likely unable to swing a batleth with grace.
You must challenge someone with cause. Kempek is a smooth politician that can please all sides so no one would challenge him. Plus he probably have dirt on all the council members.
these clips got me messed up. every time a TNG ep ends I for some reason expect to hear a song about beans
Duras is the last person who needs to be there clearly
Bro you even going to get the 15k subs? It’s been like a week 😂 love the channel keep it up.
Picard is all about tradition when it makes the path easy for him.
Now all of a sudden he wants to say Duras father shares no dishonor with his family? BS Picard, way BS.
Yes if Picard is really following klingon law and tradition he would disqualify duras on the spot.
"We should continue this on the Enterprise"
"No"
KABOOOOM
"On second thought, maybe that isn't such a bad idea"
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Everyone loves Magical Trevor.
Coz the tricks that he does are ever so clever
Look at him now, disappearing a cow
Where is the cow heading right now
Taking a bow, it's Magical Trevor
Everybody's seen that the trick is clever
Gowron: 😳
BEANS! HURRAY!
In this episode, we all know who the real bad guy here is and it's not Gowron. Granted Gowron had a few quirks about him, but Duras is the one who clearly killed the chancellor
Mr. Worf the next few days will be difficult for you the galley has run out of prune juice and beans.
2:30 Clearly zoomed in. I'm wondering what happened with that shot that they had to edit it like that?
Are prunes, a type of bean? Digga Doo
Picard acts differently in the movies then he does on tv. Because of Q.
Movie Picard is more open to new ideas and was of getting things done instead of by the book.
Playing it safe will not get it done!
I don't like how Picard skirts over the legal issue he's facing here. It's uncharacteristic of him to choose one element only to impose his own beliefs on the situation by overriding the Klingon perspective on the son sharing the father's crime. That piece of un-Picard like behavior allowed them to skirt over the serious legal dilemma Picard would face otherwise- Duras actually does NOT have a legal claim. It's only because the High Council chose to blatantly ignore Klingon law that he has any consideration here and Picard knows that for a fact. The question would then be is Picard obligated, or forbidden from taking that into account.
It was a bomb
Ok, which one of those Klingons had Romulan curry for lunch? 4:05
Anyone speak Kligonese for a translation?
you can look up various tng and ds9 scripts. often the klingon speak is there and what it means. google "star trek minutiae scripts"
From Memory Alpha:
"At the Sonchi ceremony aboard K'mpec's ship, Gowron and Duras arrive with their aides. Picard, followed by each of the challengers, stands before K'mpec's body, says "Qab jIH ngil," ("Face me if you dare") and jabs the corpse with a painstik. While Picard does so with veiled detestation and Gowron goes through the motions of due process, Duras seems to relish his turn. Finally, K'Ehleyr steps in front of the corpse and says, "Sonchi" ("He is dead")."
Great episode
To the uninitiated, that may have looked like a bomb. Not so: just another exploding console.
funny thing wolf kills both and become emperor for a few mins
Surely this is just the ceremonial test and doctors did confirm his death aside from it with more reliable methods. 😉
Also: An incident of such sloppy security that it has to be corruption. Unless it's just the writers at their worst again.
When you think about it, why the hell did Duras show up with one of his men rigged with a bomb anyway- a bomb with a Romulan-made detonator at that? Was he hoping to kill Gowron? Given he was planning on simply getting himself declared chancellor, it doesn't seem to make any sense.
Most likely to paint himself as one of the victims. However, he was more than impatient and too eager to get the ceremony completed as soon as possible.... Geez I wonder why.
Duras knew Gowron was better with the blade and would have won in honorable combat. He had to eliminate him to ensure he was the only remaining challenger.
Possibly to eliminate both Picard & Gowron, as well as spoiling the remains of K'mpec- so the cover up the clues leading to his murderer!
Does anyone know the translation of what Picard says at 2:54?
"thats Gowron"
The one out of focus?
I never cared for Gowron, both the character and the actor playing him. It was hard to see him as a leader. Casting and writing makes a big difference. Watch Star Trek 6. Gorkon is killed off early. But because of how he was written and who they cast, it was easy to accept him as a leader. Same with Kempec. Star Trek 6 was released after this episode, which made it hard to watch episodes with Gowron afterwards. To go from Gorkon and Kempec to Gowron who just doesn’t have the gravitas of the other characters and actors. It’s like going from Morgan Freeman as President to Jamie Fox.
If you say so. He is generally regarded as the most popular Klingon (other than Worf) of that era.
@@Steno316 Depends what era you mean. Martok was definitely more popular than him on DS9.
@@ArcaneAzmadi A matter of opinion I guess. If there was some kind of survey done, I think Gowron takes the W…
Disagree. Gowron's character showed him to be a master of political manipulation.
@@Steno316popularity is about who fans like. But as a leader of billions, he’s not believable.
so who actually set the bomb here?
Duras. Medical examination later reveals that it was planted on one of Duras' men.
Most likely Duras in an effort to kill Gowron and he knew Gowron's prowess with the short blade was quite dangerous and likely to defeat him in honorable combat.
Always with Worf supppsedly for the greater good but ends up with quite selfish reasons...
EYES of Galron!!!
EXPOSITION
Wow, did you all see that bean explosion?!
beans
beans
So Duras is a Jew???