25:44 I would like to add a point here, that responding appropriately to climate change actually relieves the stress of sublimating those worries. Pushing away the horrifying information that they are afraid of understanding, is exhausting. There is a freedom and yes even a joy in fully acknowledging the truth of this moment, and taking our place, in the Great Work of humanity that we were born for, the reason that we are alive at this time.
How would you suggest humanity respond appropriately? I personally can play some games around the edges and then just continue to adjust, adjust and adjust some more to waves of traumatizing realization until I will run out of time or more likely, room. The squeeze is the great work of the world rather than the weak response of humanity that prefers denial. You have a more likely reality that we are born for? I would really like to know.
1.5 deg C was passed years ago. We are now at 2,0-2.2 deg C, when measured from the 1770's, when humans first began to burn fossil fuels. The IPCC moved up the baseline from which global warming is measured from the 1770's to 1920. This was to make the data more palatable to politicians. Multiple tipping points have already been breached and are now combining exponentially. Phenomena predicted to occur in 2100 is happening now, except with much greater severity and frequency than predicted. The scientists predictive models were deeply flawed. They have since improved them. What we are witnessing now is nothing short of alarming. With 1.7 trillion tons of C02 in the atmosphere, it is impossible to stop or to even slow abrupt climate change. It would take 45,000 carbon capture plants sucking C02 out of the air 24/7 to even make a dent in climate change. There is a lag period of around 10 years from the time fossil fuel emissions are released into the atmosphere until the effects on the climate are experienced. Sadly, this is a time to get your affairs in order and to stay close to your loved ones.
@@buriedintime Here's one thing you can look at (arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/temperature.html). Author claims we were +1.6 in 2016, which is *somewhat in line w the comment above, and at least suggests the situation looks nontrivially worse when you start the data at 1750: "Considering the above, a figure of 0.3°C of warming from 1750 to 1900 seems appropriate. Using these figures, emissions by people did raise temperatures by 0.3°C from 1750 to 1900, i.e. from 13.41°C to 13.71°C. The temperature rise from 1900 to 2016 is about 1.28°C, so the full temperature rise 1750 to 2016 is 1.58°C, i.e. well above the aspirational guideline of the Paris Agreement. Further calculations follow below."
15:27 psychologically speaking, it is interesting to note how often people in a climate conversation with me, will circle back to a position of safety and self-soothing with final assessments such as "but it's not going to happen in my lifetime" or "I just don't think people will let that happen." Or "At some point the people of the world will rise and the governments will act" or "yes it seems bad, but I just don't think we'll see the worst case scenario, more like a Middle..." "Once people start to experience it they'll take action" and I've learned to hear those words as self-soothing, not as rational assessments or even real positions. They've explored a little bit of the reality and now they feel they must retreat to at least enough denial to make themselves able to feel happy and safe again.
Thank you for this post. Horror and crisis are definitely not good for business as usual. But fear does sell! Folks can inch down the incline, buying grippier shoes and life preservers until the ramp becomes too steep and it is time to plummet. Old age is like that now. A diseased culture cannot long circle back and any action will not cut out the illness without the patient succumbing.
12:30 (ish) Great point by Rachel about geopolitical struggles; we're fighting Cold War II instead of mobilizing WWII-style to defeat the climate threat. 25:34 "You can understand why people just can't cope with the idea that the people in charge don't know what they're doing." 40:30 Praising hoarders (aka billionaires) for their hoarding is *not helping* 46:00 Scarcity mindset (greed) as a psychological problem 54:35 The banally evil, actual self-interested bad actors, and who to target
I don’t know why anyone would find this surprising in light of the fact that, despite all the hot air spewn over it, we’ve actually done nothing-other than to increase our use of hydrocarbon fuels and resulting emissions
If you want to cut emissions, set an example yourself. That would mean growing all your own food and manufacturing your own farming tools from scratch. No fertiliser or pesticides allowed. And growing the plants necessary to make your own clothing.
Rapid Sea level rise is the only environmental event that everyone on the planet will experience together. This will force a global psychological transition.
The books of Michael Hudson, various Anthropologists and Evolutionists, all backed by Math-Physics etc, adds up to "yes this is the eternal problem presented to the most recent generation". Business as usual.
You are right, and I’ve read them across recent years. At 58, that makes me the ‘sick one’ - seen from my powerful peers. As Woolf said, ‘the system is the sickness’, though. So my generational peers enforce authoritarianism, luring young men to support it (numbers show, V-DEM report…). Women seem to go the opposite way, like Rachel’s fantastic efforts. Huge kudos to her and everyone taking reality to heart…!
what people don'T get is, in capitalism, the word "growth" -means- is used to mean the (maintanance of) the continous raising 'profit' extraction rates.
Had to stop at the beginning. The method of humanity in dealing with the meta-crisis as with any larger issue is to kick the can down the road. Science and engineering in particular thrive when they can practice reductionist principals. Choosing to ignore the entropy principle is totally identifying with Icarus.
I have a vague memory about America post ww2 bankruptcy. Bailed out by Israel. The 1970s when faced with domestic peak oil America abandoned the gold standard to continue growth.
Anyone who talks about climate change without talking about climate ENGINEERING which has been going on for seven decades, doesn't deserve to speak. The weather is manually controlled. Duh
I'm a Climate Corruption Corruption Journalist, why don't you interview me and Guy McPherson for the Real Picture of Reality? It's Clarity Conclusion, Absolution and Justice all wrapped in the Last Decent Suggestion, That won't cause indigestion or stress caused introspection. Seriously, let's do it!!
One can move from minus 40 Celsius Moscow to plus 40 Celsius Cairo without too much drama. Yesterday it was 30C here early afternoon, and 16C overnight. I worked in desert zones where it was well over 40C during the day, and freezing at night. A few degrees of change would not bother me in the slightest, I would adapt. Btw CO2 is plant food.
25:44 I would like to add a point here, that responding appropriately to climate change actually relieves the stress of sublimating those worries. Pushing away the horrifying information that they are afraid of understanding, is exhausting. There is a freedom and yes even a joy in fully acknowledging the truth of this moment, and taking our place, in the Great Work of humanity that we were born for, the reason that we are alive at this time.
How would you suggest humanity respond appropriately? I personally can play some games around the edges and then just continue to adjust, adjust and adjust some more to waves of traumatizing realization until I will run out of time or more likely, room. The squeeze is the great work of the world rather than the weak response of humanity that prefers denial. You have a more likely reality that we are born for? I would really like to know.
@@danielfaben5838less people less consumption has to be in the mix.
Two climate aware people coincidentally meet on a train. That’s because everyone else is still on the damn plane!
150 years these folks simply would not meet as their neither was a train or plain, just a horse and cart.
1.5 deg C was passed years ago. We are now at 2,0-2.2 deg C, when measured from the 1770's, when humans first began to burn fossil fuels. The IPCC moved up the baseline from which global warming is measured from the 1770's to 1920. This was to make the data more palatable to politicians. Multiple tipping points have already been breached and are now combining exponentially. Phenomena predicted to occur in 2100 is happening now, except with much greater severity and frequency than predicted. The scientists predictive models were deeply flawed. They have since improved them. What we are witnessing now is nothing short of alarming. With 1.7 trillion tons of C02 in the atmosphere, it is impossible to stop or to even slow abrupt climate change. It would take 45,000 carbon capture plants sucking C02 out of the air 24/7 to even make a dent in climate change. There is a lag period of around 10 years from the time fossil fuel emissions are released into the atmosphere until the effects on the climate are experienced. Sadly, this is a time to get your affairs in order and to stay close to your loved ones.
source? would like to read about the 1770s to now data. thanks
@@buriedintimeThere's no source, obviously. Human emissions weren't relevant until 1920.
@@buriedintime Here's one thing you can look at (arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/temperature.html). Author claims we were +1.6 in 2016, which is *somewhat in line w the comment above, and at least suggests the situation looks nontrivially worse when you start the data at 1750:
"Considering the above, a figure of 0.3°C of warming from 1750 to 1900 seems appropriate. Using these figures, emissions by people did raise temperatures by 0.3°C from 1750 to 1900, i.e. from 13.41°C to 13.71°C.
The temperature rise from 1900 to 2016 is about 1.28°C, so the full temperature rise 1750 to 2016 is 1.58°C, i.e. well above the aspirational guideline of the Paris Agreement. Further calculations follow below."
We will find out, how deep in the shit we are this Sept-Oct, when Arctic sea ice minimum is known.
@@bentownsend9383 People would benefit from there being zero sea-ice, *_anywhere,_* year-round.
15:27 psychologically speaking, it is interesting to note how often people in a climate conversation with me, will circle back to a position of safety and self-soothing with final assessments such as "but it's not going to happen in my lifetime" or "I just don't think people will let that happen." Or "At some point the people of the world will rise and the governments will act" or "yes it seems bad, but I just don't think we'll see the worst case scenario, more like a Middle..." "Once people start to experience it they'll take action" and I've learned to hear those words as self-soothing, not as rational assessments or even real positions. They've explored a little bit of the reality and now they feel they must retreat to at least enough denial to make themselves able to feel happy and safe again.
Thank you for this post. Horror and crisis are definitely not good for business as usual. But fear does sell! Folks can inch down the incline, buying grippier shoes and life preservers until the ramp becomes too steep and it is time to plummet. Old age is like that now. A diseased culture cannot long circle back and any action will not cut out the illness without the patient succumbing.
12:30 (ish) Great point by Rachel about geopolitical struggles; we're fighting Cold War II instead of mobilizing WWII-style to defeat the climate threat.
25:34 "You can understand why people just can't cope with the idea that the people in charge don't know what they're doing."
40:30 Praising hoarders (aka billionaires) for their hoarding is *not helping*
46:00 Scarcity mindset (greed) as a psychological problem
54:35 The banally evil, actual self-interested bad actors, and who to target
I don’t know why anyone would find this surprising in light of the fact that, despite all the hot air spewn over it, we’ve actually done nothing-other than to increase our use of hydrocarbon fuels and resulting emissions
If you want to cut emissions, set an example yourself. That would mean growing all your own food and manufacturing your own farming tools from scratch. No fertiliser or pesticides allowed. And growing the plants necessary to make your own clothing.
"It's not medieval to want to Destroy Evil, but it does require upheaval."
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Moloch is immortal.
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@@davidrichards1302 I reckon that's the truth... in enough time everything winds down.
Rapid Sea level rise is the only environmental event that everyone on the planet will experience together. This will force a global psychological transition.
The books of Michael Hudson, various Anthropologists and Evolutionists, all backed by Math-Physics etc, adds up to "yes this is the eternal problem presented to the most recent generation".
Business as usual.
You are right, and I’ve read them across recent years. At 58, that makes me the ‘sick one’ - seen from my powerful peers.
As Woolf said, ‘the system is the sickness’, though. So my generational peers enforce authoritarianism, luring young men to support it (numbers show, V-DEM report…).
Women seem to go the opposite way, like Rachel’s fantastic efforts. Huge kudos to her and everyone taking reality to heart…!
Thank you for the piece. I wish I'd kept up with my French, which would have probably helped me with the subtext.
what people don'T get is, in capitalism, the word "growth" -means- is used to mean the (maintanance of) the continous raising 'profit' extraction rates.
Capitalism = Kleptocracy. Great interview, thanx!
We are gonna have rapid sea level rise in less than 20 years btw. There is a lack of understanding even in your guests. Awesome guest btw
Had to stop at the beginning. The method of humanity in dealing with the meta-crisis as with any larger issue is to kick the can down the road. Science and engineering in particular thrive when they can practice reductionist principals. Choosing to ignore the entropy principle is totally identifying with Icarus.
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Renewable energy without renewable materials is not a solution.
I have a vague memory about America post ww2 bankruptcy. Bailed out by Israel. The 1970s when faced with domestic peak oil America abandoned the gold standard to continue growth.
But you are unable to print your way out of oil shortage with debt. ua-cam.com/video/kZA9Hnp3aV4/v-deo.html
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anyone seen the film Climate: The Movie?
Anyone who talks about climate change without talking about climate ENGINEERING which has been going on for seven decades, doesn't deserve to speak. The weather is manually controlled. Duh
I'm a Climate Corruption Corruption Journalist, why don't you interview me and Guy McPherson for the Real Picture of Reality?
It's Clarity Conclusion, Absolution and Justice all wrapped in the Last Decent Suggestion,
That won't cause indigestion or stress caused introspection.
Seriously, let's do it!!
or you distribute like every living system on this planet except humans, instead of trading or waging war
Psychological ?
Sea level rise will stop the growth momentum
One can move from minus 40 Celsius Moscow to plus 40 Celsius Cairo without too much drama.
Yesterday it was 30C here early afternoon, and 16C overnight.
I worked in desert zones where it was well over 40C during the day, and freezing at night.
A few degrees of change would not bother me in the slightest, I would adapt.
Btw CO2 is plant food.
I just watched Climate the Movie😏