Climate Corruption | Amy Westervelt
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- Truth is stranger than fiction-but fiction is better written.
We know their playbooks and their networks, but the bad guys of this story are in no rush to change their tactics. From funding dodgy research to bleating lies on prime time television, the fossil fuel industry and its allies are audaciously villainous. They’d been getting away with it for decades-but now independent media has them running scared.
Amy Westervelt is an award-winning investigative climate journalist and media founder with 20 years on the climate beat. Her investigations have exposed the worst crimes of the fossil fuel industry, and she now leads an international team of climate reporters at Drilled who uncover the connections between governments, industry and policy.
She joins me today to discuss their recent exposé of The Atlas Network, the shadowy ecosystem of think tanks pushing for the criminalisation of climate activists all around the world. Amy explains the roots of the network’s beginnings in World War Two, its rapid expansion as neoliberalism sunk its teeth into global politics, and its vast grip today on policy-makers around the world. This is a startling conversation, revealing the terrifying reach of right-wing extremism and corporate capture, with Amy suggesting the only path forward may indeed be revolutionary.
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0:00 Intro
04:51 Why is the world in crisis?
08:21 Intersectional Strategies
16:28 Reforming Capitalism
22:31 The Atlas Network
42:25 The Illusion of Choice
50:16 Corporate Capture
01:00:21 Revolution and Soveriegnty
01:10:32 Outro
"The only thing that actually trickles down is bullshit!" Brilliant. Thank you both xx
Interesting because I used to say that during the Regan presidency!😂
Classic
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When lies have been told from powerful connected sources, it's always bad.
"You should care that a lack of those things leads to weakness and exploitation" Hell yes! She's speaking huge truths in this interview!
I certainly agree, but that’s also our predicament of social-Darwinism - That weakness and exploitation are teleologically linked to the same individual.
Ponder this; The weakness in one is exploited by the other. So, both aren’t inherent in one individual, but an emergent result of twisted relations between individuals. Even harder as we have internalised that the exploiting part may be one or more corporations - fake “bodies” (in corpus) with expanded legal rights?
It’s an odd construct of implicit depersonalised and illegitimate power…
Thank you both for your work.
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Thanks again, Rachel and Amy, who has for so long been with us on the front lines. Spot on'
One point you touched which I think needs re-emphasizing: small scale is better acros the board. Capitalist industrial thinking has always gone for bigger is better and techo fixes. But as you note in re solar and wind farms in rural country, sometimes mega is not thd answer. Solar activists have been arguing for decades that decentralized rooftop in many cases makes more sense. Back during the NAFTA. struggles the case was made that small, low-tech waste water treatment facilities make more sense than mega high-tech wastewater treatment plants. And so it goes. People-friendly, species-friendly, planet-friendly.
I live in Shetland and we have all sorts of local views and issues with the massive Viking Windfarm being built, especially with the local fossil energy history...
Two of my favorite climate heros!
Edward, Lord Thurlow 1731-1806
Corporations have neither bodies to be punished, nor souls to be condemned, they therefore do as they like.
I'm that guy, has no guns, but "if I had a rocket launcher, I'd make some son of a bitch pay" ala, Bruce Cockburn Canadian musician who put the sentiment so eloquently in song. Really appreciate your empathy and fire. ShakeUp XR
Please have Vaclav Smil on this show. He can add so much to this conversation and will help liberate you from this bubble for which you are currently trapped.
Highly unlikely, Smil doesn't like interviews, rather lets his books 'do the talking' (according to David Owen)
Please define the bubble. Short answer is fine.
Thanks Rachel and Amy, for this excellent and revelatory discussion. As you suggest, profit driven multiparty liberal democracies and their corporate owners will not go away. As difficult as it may be to accept, the only form of governance that can possibly be bringing profit driven governments and their corporate owners under control is the relatively purpose driven (albeit more authoritarian) single party governance of China the CPC.
Best line ever; the only thing that trickles down is BS! ;) On the floor laughing....
I love the exposes of ExxonKnew; it’s our only hope. But generalizing oil companies to an ideology does not help. Yes, inequality and exploitation is a problem, but solving those problems will not reduce fossil fuel production. Fossil fuel companies could as easily have coopted Democrats as Republicans; it was an accident of history. Simply delicense a fossil fuel collective, and leave individualists alone.
In 1987 my folk guitar camp had a t-shirt that said, "We're Exxon, at Exxon we're part of the problem" - this was the opposite of what Exxon said in their propaganda ads.
They actually did. Obama got fracking really going. Sigh.
The Atlas Network is interesting.
Near the start they say that conservatives at the top are much better at cooperating, and bringing together, and bringing “antis” together (“intersectionality”). It depends on what “better” means but it seems that even in the context of the conversation they are not necessarily better. They have power and simplicity on their side. They present simplistic solutions analogous to blaming immigrants for all woes. The discussion immediately proceeds to touch on this by the need to fix other issues along with climate change to get people on side, apparently unaware of the connection.
You do need more regulation … and enforcement. Its complex … and plenty people cheat if they think they can get away with it. Of course people are trying to flush as much out of the system as they can, while they can. Why would you expect them to do otherwise rather than pay a price for leading the way.
As crises become more critical, sovereign risk must increase because the time scales to fix crises versus the time scales of investment security work against each other.
Looks like another great talk - you are making them too fast, can't catch up!
My friend died exposing this in 2011’.
I would like to talk to you about this.the network’s controlled opposition
Interestingly, Britain has just pulled out of part of ICSID process which is the Energy Charter Treaty and are apparently sounding the death knell for the rest of it! (See Guardian article in climate section -UK quits treaty that lets fossil fuel firms sue governments over climate policies)
Business as usual is just too comfortable.
OMG this is the matchup I've been needing to see! Did this happen because I suggested you contact Amy???
It wasn't me... i think - but heaps glad to see it, too.
Thanks for suggesting Dr Westervelt anyway !
Brilliant book on the creation of austerity
"The Capitol Order"
Clara E Mattei
This describes the beginnings of fascism
its cold comfort but I read and heard that the El Nino has a strong chance of ending before the summer kicks in in the northern hemisphere, so there's that.
When I internet search "most efficient cooling and heating systems for hot climates" the results are desultory. Everything is about heating. WTF, in the very near future homo sapiens in many locales will literally be desperate for efficient cooling systems. What is wrong? Why are the results of that search about heating? Do people involved with the anthropomorphic climate issues think "natural" cooling is going to be enough? Even with half or less the current population homo sapiens is unlikely to survive without better and much more efficient cooling systems. Perhaps I just am not well enough informed on this issue.
The topic is so sad and depressing that one can only laugh it off to gain some sense of sanity to think serious about what need to do for the future.
about what need to do for Now.
Ocean warming and relentless sea-level rise magnified by increased storm intensities will create so much global human dislocation that the consequences arising from just these forces will overwhelm existing ways and means of being, doing, and existence.
Good design is the best remedy. Choose Delft not Detroit and get a mountain of benefits, including greatly reduced energy waste.
Your statement is false. Civilization it’s self is orthogonal to nature (physics in Greek). These two individuals are largely ignorant in this regard. This guest is completely brainwashed by the very same organizations that she is reporting on in regard to the linearization of co2 and fossils being the prime cause of warming. All thermal mass mined or drilled is the prime cause by density; capacitance and toxicity.
All civilizations have and continue to crumble into the desserts they create and leave behind.
Ocean king tides will sweep across continents 1000 feet high in less than a century. Individuals such as this speaker are largely redundant.
“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”
― Adam Smith, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations
Save the Earth, don’t give birth!
Roger, how are we able to live in this century and not see this elephant in the room? Earth has a carrying capacity that is finite. She can only feed and shelter so many of us. No matter what we do, too many of us will trump whatever other solutions we think up.
People think we can live on mars before they see structural change on earth that could at least double the amount of humans. Last year the world consumed enough food for every person to gain weight, so there isn't a supply problem, its a distribution one.
Within the next 80 years 23 countries are going to lose half their populations, but it won't matter if everybody still wants to throw out energy at the rate we are. The elephant in the room is us having to work misleading jobs, that do nothing just so we can buy stuff and ignore the amount of energy we are emitting in doing so. One tank of diesel has around 3-5 months of my comparative energy, there's no point in not having children if you are going to start travelling around the country, for fun. 636 kilowatts per tank to go skiing just because i don't want to stay home doing laundry is not the answer.
Dr Jeremy Walker Sydney Australia has recently published a book on the Atlas Foundation
"More Heat than Life"
Interview on you tube
Big Hairy News
Anarchy may be the only way.
...When you figure out the pecking order.....
President McKinley supported anarchy
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 Anarchy has been given a bad rap. David Graeber has a lot on the subject that appeals to me.
@@publicdomain1103 Ha, yes that is problematic and usually turns into the same old shenanigans of empire.
Anarchy stretches out, without the boogeyman to keep it in check. There is greater governance in equity than in hierarchies we witness today.
As much as I want action on the climate and biodiversity the even more important goal is the right to choose our own path. The need for a more representative form of governing is key to opening the door to choices that we are denied by the power of lobbyists and the fear spread by vested interests. It will never be perfect but I would rather be beaten by a majority of people expressing their informed view than suffer the impotence of decisions being taken out of our hands completely.
User. Hooray for opening the door to a conversation about governance. We vote, but we do not really participate…..participation not really being encouraged, and it shows in how ignorant we really are about most issues. Lobbyists, corporations, and those with the most money are the real government. Most of us are not in one of those categories. Democracy participation. Without it we are not a real democracy. Those who supposedly represent us are beholden to money for election campaigns. We can only guess how this affects their positions….and what they do out of our sight. Nothing will change until insist.
In the U.S. the judicial system ruled corporations to be "legal persons" protected by the Bill of Rights and sovereignty - so unless judges rule otherwise - corporations are more real people than "natural persons" are.
You laugh, but getting people out on the street may have worked for civil or worker rights, but that is too small potatoes. What we need is to spread a simple idea. Delicense an oil major.
oil is from algae. Algae can sequester 100 gigatons per year. Simple.
Thousands of people in all major cities shutting down trade and traffic for weeks/months, is small potatoes?
Degrowth is a simple enough idea.
@@antonyjh1234 Degrowth simply would not work. If you degrow the good with the bad, when the 1000s get tired, the bad springs back even faster than the good. Instead, delicense the worst; then it will not come back, and the former employees of the bad will have burdens of guilt lifted from their shoulders, allowing them to become constructive, instead of destructive like auto unions now are.
If you can't see it you won't believe it.
Delicensing means no asphalt, plastics, fertilisers, gas diesel, petrol..isn't that degrowth?
20% of our energy is electricity, add 5% for food, 5% for medical and telling people to stay home/local and stop driving would mean a 60% drop in an election period..Telling people they can have food for free, shelter for free and free medical care shouldn't be a hard sell for at least half the world, and telling most of the modern world that doing things for someone else's profit isn't going to be the main goal of their lives should be a bonus to most people, right?
Saying something simply won't work is just your subjective opinion.@@user-tk3rc7lq3s
I used to work on ICSID disputes - I'm now a communist
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Yes, to echo those below:
Thank you Rachel, for setting up and rocking through this conversation with Amy.
- By way of a thank you, please note from down here in Aotearoa New Zealand we've just had -- actually streaming live now/ just started and still in flight -- a chat with our local resident expertish type "published academic" Dr Jeremy Walker, talking also about the Atlas Network
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He's a busy boy :)
There's a good article by him published on Independent Australia about the laughingly named "The Centre for Independent Studies" influence on our recent referendum @@julianwarmington1267
Publically giggling for 20 minutes about ideas and activities which you perceive as stupid, blind, or beneath your own so very lofty values, is a very poor way to start off a discussion about corruption. Especially while criticizing others for failing to recognize that other people's differing viewpoints and experiences are of value in generating a grounded discussion in community. Speaking for myself, I found this off-putting to the point that it significantly undermined my sense that I could take either of you very seriously as interviewer and investigative journalist. That's unfortunate, because this is important information that many need to hear, and it deserves to be treated with some seriousness and maturity. I don't think in this case that I'll be the only listener who experiences this reaction. If you cut the first 20 minutes, that might make the video more to the point and sharable with a wider audience... say, with people over 30.
The climate changes, but for the last 170 years it has been remarkably stable, coming out of the "Little Ice Age". The co2 ppm during the 1800s averaged 335, not between 270-280, so right off the bat we were lied to. 9,600 years ago for quite a bit it was 348ppm. Co2 does not drive the temperature, co2 increases following an increase in temperature. No increase in hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, droughts, heatwaves, wildfires, Poles melting, sea ice shrinking....... This video is nothing but a plug for socialism........ folks green energy is a laughable myth, ad the is no "Climate Crisis"
Wow did you copy and past your ff industry talking points?
@@DanA-nl5uo You can't be serious, what I posted, was my own interpenetration of research that I've done. If you want to debate me, face to face, than I more than welcome it. There is no "Climate Crisis" ..... please...I invite you to a debate:)
@@DanA-nl5uo Dan, still to early to assume you are not on here, you were on here less than twenty minutes ago, when will we have the debate?
@@DanA-nl5uo When will you show your face, say what country you are from, and state your age? I've done all three, why won't you?
I'm happy to answer questions, though you should keep in mind that my 26-year-old Greenland work has
been superseded by more-recent studies, especially for the Holocene (the last 11,000 years), and in particular by
the studies that combine records from a half-dozen ice cores in central and northern Greenland. These studies were
lead by the Copenhagen glaciology group, and you can find them on Google Scholar. Bo Vinther was one of the
main authors.
I read quickly through the "carbonbrief" article to which you linked, and it seems accurate to me. If you read that
carefully, it should answer the main questions you have.
Having said that, my direct responses RE my study published in 1997 (and its predecessor in 1995):
1. Those studies were primarily designed to examine the glacial to Holocene transition (20--10 kyr ago),
and they are *not* the best way to address the issue of recent warming and its millennial context.
They captured the start of the current warming but were not designed or capable of resolving it well.
And even if they did, it's just for one location in central Greenland. Using one location is a valid approach if examining
very long-timescale changes (e.g., the 20--10 kyr transition) but not at all a good idea for decadal-scale changes.
The noise at the short timescale requires that you average a group of sites spanning a region. "Noise" means both
failures of the proxy record to record climatic temperature accurately, and real climatological / meteorological
variability that arises strongly from atmospheric dynamical patterns.
2. In the context of (1), the questions you raise about how accumulation and isotope calibrations are treated in
different studies is irrelevant to your concern. Those are minor issues.
3. The entire approach of comparing recent observed warming to past variability *for the purpose of inferring
mechanism* is fundamentally a weak argument because the timescale is too short to reconstruct past variability
well or, more importantly, to reconstruct the climate forcings well. This argument will become stronger as
warming proceeds.
4. Following from (3), the reason we know the recent warming is due to changes of the atmospheric greenhouse
is that we can measure the effects on the radiative balance of the planet and compare it to uptake of energy
by the planet (primarily manifest as ocean warming) and to other forcings such as solar intensity.
Here's an analogy: you are sitting in your house on a cold evening. You pull a thick blanket over yourself
and start to feel warmer. Why do you feel warmer? Was it the blanket trapping heat (yes, at least in part, it
must be)? Was it your furnace working harder? Was it a sunbeam coming through a window? There are only
a limited number of options, and you can know about the role of all of them. In this case, greenhouse gases
are the blanket. The sun is your furnace, etc.
5. Following from (4), the evidence is overwhelming that most of the warming of Earth since 1980
has been caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases and the feedbacks associated with warming.
The warming from 1850 to 1950, however, contains a "natural variability" signal in addition to an anthropogenic
signal, and this natural component can be regarded as the "end of the Little Ice Age," and it was partly solar
and partly volcanic. It is unlikely that we will ever be able to give a confident and fairly precise statement
about how much of this earlier warming was anthropogenic vs. natural (most of the warming occurred
between 1910 and 1950, as I recall), but there are strong arguments that it was at least half anthropogenic.
The problem is we will never be able to head backward in time and launch some satellites to get the measurements needed.
Best wishes,
Kurt Cuffey
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Kurt M. Cuffey
Professor, Department of Geography, University of California
Waste of space .
And to be clear.
America is not a “Capitalist” country.
America is a fascist country that permits Corporations to write all the laws, pick all the judges & politicians.
Americans must take back their
“Republic”
And their rights. Sovereignty. Liberty.
We are “NOT” a Democracy. “The Majority” does not have the “LEGAL” right to subvert yours & mine “Constitutional Rights”.
You can NEVER have FREEDOM OF THE GROUP…
WITHOUT…
Freedom of the “INDIVIDUAL” first.
The only issue I have is that there is a lot of misinformation about
Eating meat
In the Global Warming sphere.
Particularly in the consumption of cow meat.
Cows are “already” in the Carbon Cycle. “IF” you feed them grass, it stimulates its growth, which pulls Carbon Dioxide out of the atmosphere. If humans dedicated “MORE” grasslands for feeding livestock, it would IMPROVE soil health, make the meats healthier
The NUMBER ONE THING America should be doing to fight global warming is to VASTLY:
Shrink the U.S. Military
Bring our troops home. Quit killing people in their own countries and sacrificing our own for the
WEF/ WHO/ IMF/ BIS/ NATO agendas…
Eliminate jet travel
Eliminate diesel shipping
Eliminate cruise ships