[GSI] Honkai and Genshin - Are they connected?
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- Опубліковано 28 бер 2021
- First off, I would like to apologize for the somewhat lower quality of this video. There were a lot of technical hiccups as this is my first attempt at this sort of video, so I did the best I could with what I had. Hopefully it's not too distracting.
Second - this is my first official Genshin Impact Theory video, so please let me know your thoughts on what you'd like to see, video sound levels etc.
Third - I am by NO MEANS a Honkai Impact expert. If I got anything wrong, please don't hesitate to correct me.
This was super fun to make and I can't wait to share it with you all. :D - Ігри
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Kaenriah didn't follow the Terms of Service and that's why mondstadt has a Eula now
LMAO 💀
BYE💀💀
hahahgahahahahah OMFG LAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
hands down one of the funniest genshin jokes in a while without it being an inside joke type of gag
I dont get it :(
And now there's the collab😅
Mihoyo x Mihoyo
insert obama meme
- Modern problems require modern solutions.
insert twin memes
When u got 2 hot IP, u can have them collab with each other. profit
MiKoyo
I'm gonna loose my mind if Otto Apocalypse is the overseer of Celestia lol
You and me both.
theres a knight in mondstadt with the name otto...ive lost count how many times ive tried to kill him
@@nadineabdullah9886 That's so? Everytime I saw the guy, I accidentally press my elemental burst on him. Always. Accidentally.
Goddamn, im gonna nuke the whole celestia, thank you
Knowing Otto,that might be a possibility.
As soon as I saw the unknown god I was like HoV?!
As soon as I saw Venti I was like Wendy?!
Same.
Same
Yeah same, and then i cried a little reminding myself of what happened to Wendy, man
@@joachimnokia9220 i miss Wendy. In my opinion, she could have been a key part of the whole HoV situation since she and bronya could have been really good friends, and she could have become a playable Valkyrie in her HoW form. Plus her design is cool :>
@@sentience4561 yeah, poor Wendy, got controlled by Honkai and then died because Cocolia took the gem out of her
hated Cocolia in that part :'(
She didnt do anything wrong aeugh
Another cool thing I noticed was that from the Genshin manga, its implied that Diluc is a descendant of a red headed clan known as the Muratans. Then there's Himeko Murata from Honkai Impact 3rd so there's definitely some connection there.
Oh yeah, also we see Celestia in the manga as well. When Vannessa ascends to Celestia, we see it’s a large building which looks kinda like a prison. It doesn’t look anything like the start screen or the place in the opening cutscene
Man, Celestia is such a weird thing. I wanna do a whole video on it but there's honestly not a lot to go on... ._.
And isnt the pyro archons name literally himeko murata
@@IDKman5020 No, we actually don’t know who the pyro archon is. The Genshin comic talks about the lady of fire named Murata. It’s just speculation whether she’s even the real pyro archon
@@Fullmetal_Gacha yeah I guess but we can hope
Now Raiden arrived...
and then Yae Sakura...
There's gotta be something here
Like it’s a little suspicious-
Someone: *Ships Yae Guuji with Sara*
Kallen: *Am I a joke to you?*
Just FYI: Baal has the same voice actress as Mei in both JP & CN
@@sleepyboi2232 same for Himeko and Lisa i think
@@STARRY_SHIINE You just activated the forbidden button. Goodbye Lisa
i have also noticed that the elemental burst of each archon so far have something celestial connected to it:
venti has a black hole
zhongli has a meteor
raiden has stars
Actually, she's doesn't have stars she just cuts holes into the fabric space of time and continuem.
So how do you explain mona, is she connected involuntarily to celestia ?
@@Sabrina_Tea Have you ever looked at mona ult, it resembles a lot paimon and dainsleif celestial aesthetic
i’m not sure, i think mona isn’t really related to celestia but just studies celestial arts. also how scaramouche mentions that the sky is fake, and how mona hasn’t realized that is another fact; i think teyvat might be a universe where all events are planned and laid out on the fake sky.
@@gardendado1999 I guess she could be connected through her master who knew Gold
Some facts of theory gets thrown out the door by this quote in Geshin Impact book Veras Melancholy “I believe in our universe, there is a world currently in a war against doomsday, where the noble and elegant souls of fourteen Valkyrie burn bright.”
:O
Wait it’s actually called Vera DEFAULTLY?!
I named my Character Vera without knowing and I thought the book title follows your Character’s Name! IM SO SURPRISED BAHAHAHA
There’s currently 13 canon playable valks in Honkai and there’s a “leak” in 5.0 of a hersscher/valkyrie in a painting in ch.25
@@user4230xjyZ You're saying that future Honkai was even teased in current Genshin..?
But how can Genshin timeline goes ahead of Honkai???
@@nabieladrian actually project ARK has been in active for 50000 years before the main story of Honkai Impact 3rd, the STIGMA project is for the present day not for the destroyed civilisation 50k years prior
Yes they are. In chapter 17, after Mei awakens as the Herrscher of Thunder, Otto Apocalypse, the overseer of Schicksal, peeks at Dvalin thanks to the Imaginary Tree
Me who never played Honkai: “Yes, couldn’t agree more.”
But more seriously, the new video format really took me by surprise.
Herectic
same tbh
In 3 years more or less, Hyperion will leave the earth and visit other planets, probably tyvat is one of them as mihoyo said "Hyperion hasn't landed in tyvat yet"
We will know more then
In the side stories of Honkai, the Hyperion already moving through Sea of Quanta and the captain already gathering member from different universe. For what purpose? The answer not yet stated.
@@b.ardner6903 most likely to gather everyone that can fight off the herrscher
Interestingly there's a planned title that was trademarked by Mihoyo called "Honkai Impact 4th: Galaxia". In the honkai manga "alien space" (takes place in 2029 lorewise) Otto and (I believe Welt if I recall) are on a spaceship away from earth so Otto could be potentially the one leading the start of the game (Note: A Post Honkai Oddyssey takes place in 2028 lorewise and those are related)
In my theory, I think they'll eventually reach Teyvat being a planet safe from the Honkai as they re-establish connection with "Project: Ark" (a copy of the human genome library with 2 humans represented as 2 stars that go from world to world to find a planet safe from the honkai though likely not knowing about the honkai (description close to the travelers no?))
funny enough they are doing a collab of honkai and genshin now
@@sylvosanevariety in my opinion it would be unwise for them to create a game that would have the same contents as Genshin. And the project ark Kevin established centuries ago prior to the Honkai Verse is the timeline of the dissapearance of the two stars (based on the manga stating they were supposedly to receive a call 5-15 years prior to their conversation about the ark after leaving the solor system 1000 years before their current timeline.)
Which leads me to believe that the dissapearance of those 2 stars must have something to do with Genshin's Lumine and Aether which in the Honkai verse is a thousands of years of difference of timeline in the past, rather than finding Teyvat in the future which is not a planet but a continent leaving it impossible ble to be the next destination for the future game.
(theoretically speaking)
These are just also my speculations regarding the evidences so feel free to retaliate.
Also in Alien space manga, it wasn't Otto Welt was travelling with a space ship, but the divine key, void Archives, having a replica of Otto's clones (and Otto is btw confirmed dead in APHO).
As a Honkai veteran i really appreciate the sheer amount of effort you put into making this video. I have seen many genshin or non honkai players's theories about the connections between the honkai verse and the genshin verse but you're the first to dive deep into the lore of honkai and even bring up the imaginary tree along with the events only happen in the honkai second eruption manga. Love the video, and i'm looking forward to seeing more of your videos in the future! ^^
P/s: sorry for my bad english ^^
Meanwhile, on Game Theory: hEhE mOrAx dEd nO mOnEy nOw heHehE
The Lore is amazing
Cool Miko :0
Makes me wish i got into honkai when i got into genshin.
Theres... soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much intertwining the two, and its hard to tell where the dev style ends and the intentional world building begins.
... Kinda reminds me, I do wonder if the tree at the end of CH28 is the Imaginary tree... it reminds me of irminsul -- except it looks like alot of it is elsewhere.
A few things here i just want to throw out with no clear connection-- Celestia reminds me of Schicksal HQ from Honkai. The Ruin Guards, Hunters & Graders are reminiscent of Mechas from Honkai. The whole schtick of an ancient civilization that once prospered, that eventually fell into ruin-- reminds me of the plot of the Previous Era in Honkai...
Regardless, I'd say both the Honkaiverse & Genshinverse share the same multiverse. However, at the time of this writing, there is no real connection between them until the plot advances forward, enough to establish that both worlds (or more) are indeed connected. Until that day comes, we can only dream...
Because Dainsleif haven't say "Honkai" and mentioned "She also likes flowers too"
the dream yet to be dreamed....
I’d rather they stay completely separate. Like Genshin is it’s own multiverse with no connection to HI3’s other then having their own versions of the same characters.
@@TheAwesomeHyperon the way I see it; like Honkai is to GGZ, Genshin has its own story to tell.
Though in the grand scheme of things, they are more or less.. connected. Regardless, it doesn't matter as much, you're not going to miss out on things so long as both games keep to themselves main-storywise. And if they do intertwine... I believe they'll catch you up to speed.
@@christianpuga9424 isn’t GGZ the previous game?
mihoyo themself said that the 2 universes are conected
both are leaves on the imaginary tree
Please give me the link
Link
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"Mihoyo dosnt do coincidences" *looks at all the lookalike caracters in honkai /geshin*
and i wana add some stuff to this.
1- Nihilus. you canot travel betwen worlds withouth geting destroyed by nihilus.
2- in the sea of quanta all that exists are dead leafs, worlds deafeated by the honkai. geshin is not a dead leaf
Nihilus only seems to show up when there are big tears in the fabric of reality. Like manifesting the world tree in Nagazora. It doesn't really seem to care if you just travel between worlds.
Not -yet-
@@kirilvasilev6678 In the final chapter of Genshin: *Somehow a big rift in the space and time continuance appeared and now the Traveler must SOMEHOW defeat Nihilus.*
Genshin players that haven't played Honkai: "Oh this is going to be an easy and fun fight like always!" *Ten seconds later: "WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING HOW IS THIS GUY STOPPING TIME??? WHY CAN'T I HEAL OR RESTORE ENERGY??????"*
Honkai players playing Genshin: *Traumatic flashback intensifies*
Wait really? Im honkai player and I thought Nihilusk are random norm enemy spawn from sea quanta. Thats why i was mad when literal who killed our beloved dragon.
@@NevaRthelesser If that dude appears in genshin, I don't know how I'll survive without time fracture
And worse part, if Nihilus ignores shield..
I'll be praying to lord Barsibato
The biggest missing piece is Paimon's identity. Why is she related to constellations? Why is she named after a demonic guide?
Maybe she leading the traveler in the wrong way? It's a demonic guide after all
I think it is possible that the Sustainer may be the god of space and Paimon the god of time. Because they look alike, the Sustainer can open portals, and we can somehow skip time in Genshin, possibly because of Paimon. Though this theory IS extremely farfetched and unlikely xD
Paimon is confirmed to be the God of time! That's why when we open the menu, everything stops but paimon
@@maria.azidou Not confirmed, but it is quite possible.
@@yunamoonlight1015 it's on the traveler's voicelines, you can go and look! :D
my personal theory is that the traveler and their sibling ARE the ark, just with a humanoid form and that teyvat is just another "planet" of sorts that they need to figure out if itll be inhabitable for humanity. also, the sustainer of heavenly principles may be teyvats version of the herrscher of the void! we know the traveler has been in teyvat for over 500 years at least, which would also explain why project ARK stopped responding.
But if travelers are the ark why would they take a humanoid form in the first place? I think what's more eligible is tayvat IS the ark and lost connection because of traveling to a different reality or universe through the sea or the void. How exactly? No clue just anime logic I guess but I think it makes more sense.
@@ztrace8263 some people say they relate to a tree in honkai that is multiple different worlds/timelines
Teyvat could be a world where The Heavenly principals IS the herrscer of the void, Khaenri'ah was actually Destroyed because of TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT. The keeper of heavenly principles said "the arrogation of mankind ends now" Arrogation from what I can tell seems to mean "advancement" in the genshin world. The archons realized that if their cities evolved far enough the heavenly principles could come for theirs like she did khaenri'ah. Due to this the cities never developed too far, hence the honkai disaster never happened. Now, how is the heavenly principles possibly able to be the herrscer of the void? THEY ORIGINALLY HAD THEIR OWN PHYSICAL BODIES. But overtime they lost those simply becoming souls wandering, that's when they'd attach to humans using the humans as hosts (I never played honkai so I don't know if this is even possible but okay-). But yeah- the archons halted development far enough to cause the honkai disaster and therefore teyvat is the peaceful version of honkais earth. This could also explain why some characters look so similar to honkai characters.
@@ashleyandanime4815 soooo it's kinda like a alternative universe thing? Because let's say that if tayvat advanced in it's technology the herchers or sustaniner would start to destroy it just like what happened to keanerha? And if that's the case then how powerful is sustainer compared to the herchers? Because from what I've seen she destroyed a whole world just because it advanced in technology but the herchers have been trying to destroy man kind for a while. Idk if this makes sense it came to mind once you clarified
@@ztrace8263 exactly! I just think that might be the case based on what I’ve heard about the tree in honkai and how Genshin impact is just another world an that tree.
@@ashleyandanime4815 but there's something wrong here, it just doesn't feel like that's it. there gotta be more to it like where did the twins come from? Who's the person from the video looking at dvalin through a computer screen? And if tayvat is just another universe, and let's say the twins ARE the Ark how did they travel through the sea of void and why did they take a humanoid form? I know I said anime logic might be it but there's something just odd about both the twins and the sustainer and tayvat as a whole! There's still a lot but hopefully sumeru release will give us more info on that.
It has been confirmed by MiHoYo that Genshin is on the same tree, same branch just different leaves.
Imagine if Durand accidentally falls inti Teyvat. Just like: ayo what tf is this plave
@@herrscheroftheend1963 Imagine she fell in mondstadt and budget wendy (venti lmao) is like *"da fck dey doin ova der?"*
@@herrscheroftheend1963 durandal new genshin character when ??
@@DhrithionVocals we got jean my guy
Honestly If Tevyat really is Project Ark it reminds me what Scaramouche said on the meteor event "The stars, the sky, it's all a gigantic hoax. A lie."
Whatever Scara saw in his dream must be connected to the whole Honkaiverse if this is true.
Omg yeah
It would kind of makes sense for him, especially after learning in the inazuma story
*SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS*
Scaramouche is a puppet, created to be the vessel that Ei would be using to carry out her acts but he was dismissed but also given life, he could almost be seen as something of an irregularity within the system and that’s why he can break some of the bounds of the world and see past it, interesting thought at the very least lol
Now I feel like this is why scara has dipped with Ei's gnosis now... Probably has something to do with it
Next thing you know when you complete the game there’s a pause button. Then you hear clapping and laughing from a blonde scientist.
madgigasimpblonde scientist
All part of his plan for Kallen
I hope it's like ggz and honkai where the characters still have the same appearance and name, but they're different characters with their own story, character development, goals etc etc. that way honkai players can use their favorite characters but genshin players who haven't played honkai wont feel left out
Yeah, more like archetypal parallels rather than literal self inserts. The appearance of Yae Sakura in Genshin though does raise some questions...
Mihoyo are genius with their stratagies lol
They can increase the Honkai player base like this
@@eraba661 I doubt that because both games are so incredibly different
I like this theory it kinda makes me excited at the idea of when they potentially do a collab one day and maybe try to connect the stories in some way with the characters helping one another or something
they finally did, but I don’t know if it’s confirmed that the collab will have any effect on the lore (or is it merely for economical reasons)
This kinda aged well
Congratulations, your wish had came true.💫
Yes yes, and they choose Fischl as one of the characters so it's great collab already TvT
Keqing only playable in honkai × genshin collab event but fischl is farmable though gold pins
Everybody gangsta untill we find out that Genshin is actually a new version of Kallen Fantasy 😃
Ah yes a like your references. And the one who played was Kiana.
I just want to point out, that Lumine with wings looks awfully similar to the Valkyrie icon / logo in HI3
Yea, she does
Thats kiana the mc of honkai
9:43 Sumeru is actually like one of the regions in Genshin, so that's cool too :D
And Sumeru's archon is Dendro... 😳
Yeah, Sumeru was also mentioned in Honkai
In elysian realm theres a guy called su who fits to be the dendro archon but the problem is that its a he
@higo there are two dendro archons, the god of woods who died during the cataclysm 500 yrs ago. The other one who is the Flower God also known as Lesser Lord Kusanali she is the current Dendro archon.
@@herrscheroftheend1963 there is a summery in honkai we’ll not a country but a small bubble universe created by a divine key that can used whenever by durandal who holds the entire bubble universe in her
Can't wait for the depression arc of Genshin Impact 👍👍😁😁
Same on me
Me to! 😄😄😄😄 (☹️)
Actually, I believe that the opening screen IS infact Celestia - we know that the nail on top of Dragonspine comes from Celestia, and if you wait long enough in the opening screen, you will see a pillar that looks very similar to the nail on Dragonspine!
I’m glad someone else noticed this! These pillars also share design with the statues of the seven
I feel that the Ark is Aether and Lumine. The Ark could seen as a ship, but I feel that the Ark could be seen as a vessel, and not a literal ship. Aether and Lumine are the vessels, which is why they transverse many worlds. The Ark going “missing” is Aether and Lumine becoming trapped in the world of Genshin Impact. I don’t know much about Honkai Impact so idk if that’s accurate.
Unlikely the ark is shown to indeed be a space vessel through honkai manga and other sources it was a spaceship carrying the human genome accompanied by a flame chaser to oversee project ark which was griseo the star tge theory is that griseo may have created tevyat as griseo powers may have likely reached a godlike extent of creation as she is able to paint anything to life so the ark may stumbled across the genshin universe during its travelled hence why it was missing and griseo created tevyat and became a god
My theory is genshin is when humanity takes full control of the herrschers removes the existence of honkai in the world, rebuilding it to the start, without honkai existence, the progression of technology is lax as seen in genshin with some how primitive because of lack of needs to evolve machines and human lean towards enhancing their use of magic that the herrschers gifted thus the used of different element types.
I always see honkai impact references madoka, so I combine the idea.
My own current speculation is that Teyvat is absolutely plagued by Honkai but they managed to keep it in check with the vision system.
When the Herrscher personality is implanted it leads to an ambition which grants the wielder a vision. The vision may trap the Herrscher consciousness and separate it from the Will so rather than brooding as time goes on it exists superimposed with the original personality and grows symbiotically.
The removing of the vision then literally separates the Herrscher personality that the host learned to live with. Because of the symbiotic relationship it is perceived as their ambition and parts of their memory just vanishing.
Masterless visions would work the other way as the Herrscher conciousness probably has to be able to resonate with a similar-enough host to form the symbiosis.
Building off one of the theories on this channel Teyvat itself would be a streamlined system meant to capture and release Honkai energy through visions / leylines and potential Herrschers are intercepted and transformed into tools for this end by Celestia.
Khaenri'ah may have been on the cusp of an Eruption by operating outside of the system which was what prompted Celestia and The Seven to action.
Well I might use Madoka as a base then because I love Madoka
This make sense with horizon zero dawn😱
@@hanniel8650 consider: this video was made before the announcement and most people don’t consider Aloy as part of the lore
@@PlutoPigeon i know but if mihoyo added aloy for the lore?
AMBER that program to preserve human knowledge in honkai impact says it has to be brought to new worlds/settlements for humanity if they lose that knowledge. In the 2nd story quest of Zhongli at the end of that quest he says that the traveler needs to take the knowledge of liyue and it’s people to other worlds as the traveler travels from worlds to worlds. He also said the traveler needs to use that knowledge as a back up if the knowledge of liyue and its people will be “forgotten” 0-0
I kinda see why he said "forgotten" after finishing the 3.2 Archon Quest...
I don't think Teyvat itself is Project ARK, I think the TWINS are Project ARK. What we know about them matches, and you drew the parallel of twin stars in the sky. I also think that Genshin is a partial precursor to Honkai, taking place around the start of the latter and ending before the events of the new 4.9 update. By that I mean that the end of Genshin will lead straight into 4.9 with Otto Apocalypse being the final boss and the explanation of how Fischl and Keqing end up on the Honkai planet.
Edit: Welp the last part about 4.9... didn't happen as expected. Forget that. But now I think that Genshin is more of a sequel, which will (eventually) explain how Kiana was cloned while floating in the Sea of Quanta before ending up in Genshin's world. However, Kiana was possessed by the latent Honkai energy here, and her clone, who turned out male because of an unknown error, went on to found two godless cities... yeah I think he's Dainsleif. But then Kiana and Dainsleif learn that this world is going to end up as a copy of Earth, so eventually Kiana breaks free and her, Dainsleif, Aether, and Lumine with together to prevent the worlds from becoming the same.
at first i only noticed slight similarities between honkai and genshin, but to think that the two games are so closely connected surprises me
if we assume that the Tevyat is one of the projects and it carried information about honkai and how to combat it, then Celestia as main rulers of the Tevyat might be trying to avoid it instead of fighting it. This might be the reason for its unique success in the first place.
There are archons in each region that protect said land. Of course there are Sea monsters, dragons and Fatui to take care of, but their main responsibility might be keeping honkai away, as they are under Celestias rule. For example, contacts that early liyue citizens made with morax might have had points about not crossing a certain line in technological advancement (People of Monstad were kept too busy drinking and enslaving each other to care about building atomic reactors I guess. I have no idea how Venti regulated his people because, well, he kinda didn’t, but it seems to work. Partly, because how Albedo with his people creating knowledge is here). However, Khaenrian didn’t have a God, so they weren’t under Celestias metaphorical jurisdiction. And we can see that out all the nations they were the most advanced ones - ruin guards, teleports, art of khemia etc. Therefore, the destruction of khaenrian which travelers encountered upon their arrival was the necessary mean to keep Tevyat save.
Also there is Lisa. It is said that she willingly stoped her research and after she discovered some “forbidden knowledge”. That knowledge might be existence of Honkai and she willingly gave up her studies to avoid crossing the line of “too advanced” for the greater good.
This is written before 2.0 so I might be proven wrong soon: Baal, despite being a tyrant, is still an archon so protecting her own people is still her main goal. She works in the name of “eternity” - what if that “eternity” means Tevyat, or Inazuma atleast, existing forever without being destroyed by Honkai? and visions despite being the possible tool for battling honkai are commonly used for research (Lisa, Sucrose and Albedo use (or used) them for that reason, non vision holding researchers complain about it being much hardest for them to make progress, so it’s a known fact. Then why do archons give visions to scientists in the first place? Well, they might still be sure in security of their land and inventors not overstepping certain boundaries while being useful for their people. According to leaks and some shots in the trailer, with Inazuma we get new ruin guards (types + a whole boss) which I don’t think is a coincidence - someone used their vision for researching them and went too far, perhaps? And that is what caused the sakoku decree?
I hope you will continue theorising in the future! thank you so much for the quality content!
After 2.0, it's pretty clear why Vision holders exist. It's to contain their ambition so it doesn't overflow and accidentally cross the line of "more technology advanced". Also makes for great warriors.
Another interesting thing is that sirin is able to take people into an imaginary plain what exactly is it tho
It's her ability, her own dimension so to speak called the Void.
@@DrawingBuddy_yt I know but like what IS it you know like at its core what is it made up of
@@joachimnokia9220 her imaginary plain is a core?
@@joachimnokia9220 oh ok ty
@@joachimnokia9220 good explanation I understand now ty ty
It was recently discovered in one of Raiden Shogun's voicelines about Visions that these are granted by the world, or Celestia, and not by the Archons as previously thought. Interestingly, when Traveler first resonates with that first statue of Barbatos, Paimon says "the world has responded..." almost as if it's the same sort of thing. It also makes more sense than the Srchons granting Visions based on people's desires, because some of the instances where people were granted Visions are inconsistent with this. Like Keqing, Klee, and Lisa. Lisa just wanted an easy life. Klee is a freespirited girl. And Keqing? She never even wanted a Vision.
13:15 - Actually, I could probably say that the location where the twins fight the unknown god could be the 'Imaginary Space' - a rift in reality. The architecture in that location is similar to the architecture in the main setting of Honkai's latest chapter, "Theater of Domination". This is my only, and my strongest link between the two games, as a veteran of both games.
17:04 - It's also plausible that they could be similar to Herrscher wings. Herrscher of the Void and Herrscher of Thunder have similar wings. HoV has three lances behind her, to her right, and three wings to her left. Meanwhile, HoT's wings aren't found in her current 'suit', but was shown in the comics to have existed at some point in time. It was infamously 'torn down' by a mortally wounded Kiana Kaslana, shocking the Herrscher of Thunder and bringing back the host to her senses.
What I found interesting was that the games have one thing similar out of this, higher power getting rid of humanity. I know this could be a stretch but there could be a different version of the honkai. The god as we see from the start of genshin has very similar abilities to the abilities of the honkai. This could mean they could be the from the world of Honkai Impact 3rd.
Wait since the honkai destroy if humanity reaches a height.. khaenri'ah was destroyed cuz if the same reason..what if that's a connecting point too!?
Sumeru is mentioned in HI3!!??
The sumeru that was mentioned in Hi3 refer to the bubble universe that the pioneer created
For those that don't play Honkai Impact, at 8:40 at the bottom right of the screen is actually Dvalin. That blonde guy is called Otto Apocalypse, the main antagonist of the series. He research a lot of ways to defeat Honkai for the last 500 years and by using a special item known as god's key he managed to open and observe other worlds and probably the only one in Honkai series that have observed Teyvat.
Wait a minute celestia is getting closer after every update?????????????
Someone I've talked to said it's been disproven? Something to do with the screenshots being taken from different locations. I'm not too sure myself anymore, so I'm taking some screenshots myself every update from on top of Venti's head so I can compare them later. But it does LOOK like it's getting bigger.
@@Ashikai Ah damn that would have been cool
The moment I heard that first thing I thought about was "is this Dalamud all over again?"
Yeah , if it’s falling , it’ll fall in about……
*10.0*
Yh every update celestia tilts
you. are. soooooo. under-rated!!!! this was such a good video. I will say though in some parts of the video the music is a little loud.
Thank you! I'm still learning. Audio is definitely not my strong suit, but I'm definitely working on it!
@@Ashikai of course! Your vid mad me download and play Honkai I love the story so far of what I played :)
9:42
It says at the top right “the seed of sumeru”
Seeds are plant life
And what just so happens to be related to plant life?
Sumeru, the land of the Dendro (translated to ‘tree’) archon
Also known as the ‘tree god’
Coincidence?
I
THINK
NOT
The seed of Sumeru was a bubble world created by Su, the guy talking in that panel. I personally don’t think it has any relation to genshin.
@@curepastel391 Now things have changed I think. You can search " genshinleaked unknown god domain" on UA-cam, which will lead you to a leaked domain of the 3.0 version. The tree there is on this video is very similar to the one on the comic
@@shelya7372 Yeah I feel they are way more connected now because of The existence of Al Haitham. Maybe Su is hiding in the world of teyvat as Al Haitham. Maybe Su merged his bubble universe with Teyvat. I’m not sure what the unknown god has to do with this though other than maybe Su using the second devine key.
Nah tge sees of sumeru as stated is a bubble universe created by Su using the second divine key and was only used to observe other worlds and their ways of fighting the honkai but the project failed and Su is confirmed dead after he handed the seed of sumeru to durandal to use it has no relations tge sumeru nation on genshin
Wow! So detailed and neat! That was a treat to watch!
Also a BingHe stan! Pog!
Goddess of Thunder in Genshin Impact name is Raiden, same as Honkais Herscher of Thunder Raiden Mei
Raiden is just the japanese word for thunder-electro... not even a name
@@chenyikuan_official That's where you are wrong. Raiden is actual Surname in Honkai impact. And word Raiden wasn't translated in Genshin ether (not sure if it's name or not yet) And there is no actual word Raiden in Japanese according to google. I am not Japanese so can't tell for sure. If you are, then you might be right. But Raiden IS a name in Honkai Impact. And Raijin is a Japanese God of Thunder, so you might be mixing something
@@rinkairiozuki7245 bro if you search "raiden meaning" in google the first thing you see is thunder and lightning, a name of japanese origin. Do some research before you comment on a theorie video....
@@morrisbaudoin2695 1st thing what comes out, is Raiden from Mortal Combat. Even by typing "Raiden Japanese meaning" i get nothing but baby names and description "Raiden is the typical English transcription of Raijin, the god of thunder and lightning in Japanese (Shinto) mythology. In Japanese, the name is made up of the characters 雷 and 神 meaning “thunder” and “god, supreme being”. In Western Culture, the god is known as Raiden from “rai” (雷, thunder) + “den” (電, lightning)." So no, Raiden does not mean Thunder and lightning. It's a NAME, not a word. And in Honkai Impact, Raiden Mei IS a name. I did research as much as you can trust google. Now, Are Japanese so you could prove me wrong? If not, just go do some research before you comment
@@morrisbaudoin2695 Her name is literally Raiden Mei jesus! And her father's name is Raiden Ryoma. Go play the game first and comeback here
This was one of the best theories I’ve ever seen on this subject
"The seed of Sumeru" It's funny how Sumera is an actual place in Genshin and the archons element is dendro
Wait, wait wait ! Project VALUKA is all about collecting data from many different worlds ?
Don't we already know a Genshin Impact character doing just that ? A "witness", jumping from world to world, collecting data (or stella fortuna / ley lines rewards) : the TRAVELER !
Have we been playing an agent (or device) of project Valuka all along ?
By the way, i just discovered your channel : lots of nice video here ! Keep them coming.
as a person watching this in 2023, i find 9:43 where u can find the term "the seed of sumeru" really relatable to the tree of imaginary, and this tree could also be called "Irminsul" , to support this theory the "seed of sumeru" is a vital key, since Irminsul is in sumeru, ( the dendro nation in genshin, the 4th one to be released)so the seed of sumeru refers to the seed planted in sumeru. Also the dendro archon rukadevata (srry for misspelling) have sacrificed herself to erase the forbidden knowledge K'haenriah had revealed to king deshert( the scarlet king in sumeru) and to people of teyvat, but there r still traces not in the irminsul, but some evidence is still there so... and as we can see golems in sumeru ( which i theorize as honkai monsters but teyvat edition, and i know K'haenriah created them, but maybe it's all false information cuz hoyo likes messing with us...).
I'm not sure if i missed anything, but it just makes sense
Hu Tao= Dark Seele
God of Electro= Mei
Uknown God= Kiana
God of Pyro= Himeko
Keqing= Mei from Apho
God of Cryo= Ana Schariac or Bronya(Since when she's an Herrscher her element is ice and she's Russian)
Venti= Wendy
Etc..
Cecilia the mother of Kiana, always wears the White Lily. And in genshin Venti loves the Lilies but they are called Cecilia.
And the wings of the twins are very similiar to the battlesuit of Kiana(Knight Moonbeam) 's wings.
Scaramouche also mentioned that the sky(the world) is false. And he's also similiar to Mei (Mei's brother??), he knows something.
Otto was planning something...
Maybe he created Teyvat (bubble universe)
And, what happened to the Honkai characters??
And who are the twins??
I totally want to do a "false sky" theory!
Definitely think that the archetypes from Honkai are reappearing here, not even a question. I know a lot of people say that the Sustainer is Kiana, but I actually think she matches Sirin more. Personality-wise, it's easier for me to believe that Kiana is Paimon which would also explain a lot of connections between Paimon and the Sustainer - visually, at least.
But man, this rabbit hole is so deep... @_@;
@@Ashikai And if Unknow God was the real Kiana from Honkai as the Herrscher of the End like in Houkai Gakuen 2 (Previous era plot before HI3). We know from HI3's story the kiana we see is a clone K-423 from the real Kiana made by Otto but we have still no clues where is the real Kiana and what Otto has in mind to do with her ? I mean if Otto created Teyvat as a backup, he sent the real Kiana (Herrscher of the End) in Sea of Quanta as a gatekeeper in order to prevent Project Ark (Aether & Lumine) to find the world of Teyvat so huminaty can't find a way to beat the Honkai if Project Ark fail. Otto is sus
Agree. Otto is very sus.
@@prdxmusic6855 YEAH omg...
@@prdxmusic6855 but idk cuz she seems more like Herrscher of the Void than Herrscher of the End, cuz HoE don't have cubes and she is way more powerful
The bubble universe where Otto peaked saw divalin....genshin is a different universe
They’re on the same branch if the imaginary tree, they’re just different ‘leaves’
The answer lies fully in the Concept of the Imaginary Tree
Both Honkai and Genshin are explicit universes (branches) on the Tree with their own Bubble Universes (leaves). They have no connection with each other Plot- and Lorewise. The only things they share is:
-The Honkai Plague (all Worlds on the Tree are plagued by Honkai as it is a "test" of sorts for the capabillities of civilisation)
-Character Similarities (SoHP - HoV/Raiden Ei - Raiden Mei/ Yae Sakura - Yae Miko/Fischl - Fischl/Venti - Wendy/ Diluc - Himeko/ Bronya - possibly the Tsaritsa)
-The capabillity of "staring" into the other Worlds through the Imaginary Tree (as seen in Otto looking at Dvalin)
As for Project Ark, might aswell just be the Sky People from APHO 1&2 discovering the Ship with traces of Humanity and simply destroying it in their Hunger for Honkai (that ship def runs on Honkai Reactors dont tell me otherwise)
As for the Traveler and his Twin, they are Imaginary Beings of unknown purpose, as it is said that they Travel through litteral Worlds, so they are capable of traversing the Imaginary Tree without effort while someone as powerful as Otto Apocalypse had to strike a deal with the Will of Honkai, tear into Space-Time-Fabric with the 2nd Divine Key and finally traverse an entire Imaginary Space just to TOUCH the Imaginary Tree and use it to just travel Back in time and create a new Universe in which is Life-long-Love doesnt die, shows how powerful these twins are, being able to travel the Tree freely. Also notice how in the start cutscene their clothing glows white/golden and then look at Valkyries of the [Imaginary]-Type in Honkai
So to return to the Answer of the Question, yes, they are connected through the Imaginary Tree, no, they are not connected in any other way.
Finally someone with the same perspective is making sense. There is a lot to cite buuut don't wanna go into details
Hi I have a college degree in Physics I studied basic Quantum mechanics.
Quanta is the "things" quantum physics study.
A example a quanta can be a photon or a electron, neutron, proton.
Smallest packet of energy or matter.
Light how we experienced it is made of a lot of photon.
Matter of a lot of proton neutron or electron.
So light or matter can be describe of a "Sea of Quanta".
In Quantum Mechanics if you observe something really small like a quanta you always affect it.
The real thing can't never be really observable....
I don't if that can help someone but I find funny expression weird like "sea of quanta" can be something as normal as light....
This makes me think that maybe the unknown god isn't the antagonist, it's an older Sirin/Kiana trying to actually help Lumine and Aether. And the theory about Paimon being the unknown god may be true as well, the unknown god disguised herself as a guide to help the traveler adjust to the new world.
5:30 AUTHORITY, you say? We have new context with 4.2!
9:45 the seed of Sumeru??????
When I first played Genshin I was like why is tuna here
Considering that Honkai Impact has different dimensions while Genshin has different worlds. Its actually possible. But if Mihoyo does do this, its gonna be a shock and it'll be so cool.
It's really fun to watch this after so long has passed and we've learned so much more about the world of Teyvat and the Gnosis and everything.
Finally someone who brings up the imagination tree
Honestly speaking the first thing that came to my mind after seeing the unknown god was fricking Kiana The herrescher of the the void and other than that people say that the unknown god ruled kaenriah which sounds like her name kiana
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This is crazy!! Having now watched this after finishing the Sumeru Archon quests, so many of the things you say here STILL hold! For example, the sea of quanta is most likely those “chaotic spaces” the traveler described when he tried to leave sumeru during the archon quest. Or what about the “imaginary tree” being irminsul, the tree of divine knowledge, with the ability to rewrite time and history as we know it. A LOT more is making sense, maybe the traveler was never from tevyat but from the Honkai Impact universe and their twin was just a copy of them sent to tevyat, yet something went wrong and the traveler ended up being banished to tevyat (for unknown reasons) and got mixed up in this chase to find a twin they never even had! To make sense of their situation, maybe irminsul rewrote their memories (or someone else?) to convince the traveler their clone or copy was actually their sibling??? Idk…just a theory.
The imaginary tree has something to do with sumeru. I haven’t read the comic since I’m new to honkai, but I have played Genshin since about 2.2 or so. At 10:39 his pioneer guy says something about a seed of sumeru, this just blows my mind 0^0
The Imaginary Tree is an Omniversal Structure that connects all Multiversal Worlds (Mihoyo´s Games) and their Bubble Universes. The Imaginary is thus the Power that enstates Rules and Conditions over these Worlds, so it is heavily plausible that the Branch holding the Genshin Multiverse and its Bubble-Universe-Leafes manifested itself in the Genshin World to directly enforce Control over History and Time
I have to wonder if the Sustainer is trying to prevent a Honkai eruption. The heavenly principles could be values that prevent Honkai events. What if the Sustainer is actually the hero here, keeping the world safe.
keeping technology from advancing too far to prevent honkai eruption. yea i can agree with that
Visions might be the stigmas of Genshin as well also able to make the gods watch chosen/special ones,able to become an Archon,or maybe a Herrscher.(stigmas are like powers that were made by Dr. MEI like Seele's stigma).
I got lost when the speculations begun. I replayed sometimes but my brain just got fryed over and over, so... That was a great vid! I couldn't understand kinda half of it but considering how fast u were speaking it must be truely impressive. Amazing!
Also, whenever they show the destruction of Kaenriah, the "unknown god's" powers are seen going into the Chaos...... sounds like a Herrscher move to me
Unfortunately the answers wont reveal themselves for another 3 years. For when Honkai ends or Genshin is at a point where the origin of the Traveler is questioned by Tyvat inhabitants.
Some REs: Embers mass backup part is prob an old token. As the world ended they either lacked the manpower or not every Pioneer was able to cut it. In any way, only 3 Pioneers survived to the new Era and only Fuhua was capable of truly continuing the task with the Divine Key bestowed upon her, holding endless amounts of memories.
And Project Ark has more details. A blue print of it was shown to be a huge two part spacecraft, meant to hold the genomes. Now that doesnt necessarily throw the twin idea out the window as with Project Ember, things couldve changed from those original blue prints by the time the world came to an end, and the Moths had to improvise a plan. Also, Kevin is clearly talking about establishing contact with THEM, so its either a manned spacecraft or just a pair of Moths traveling together. But ofc, the mere existence of the blue print has a meaning, and showing it to us might be hoyos way of saying "that aint it". But naming the world in your new game "Ark" (teyvat) is indeed not without its intentions either
Two part spacecraft makes me think of the twins... Half of me wants this to pan out exactly as suggested and the other half wants Mihoyo do to a 180, haha!
Incredible as ever, Ash! You've definitely nailed it! I'm always blown away by the intense research you put into these videos!
So I know it's been two years since this video but idk if anyone ever adressed the fact that both Lumine and Aether are "witnesses" as zhong li keep calling them, that are meant to gather reports from each world project? I mean it'd make sense since the image from Dvalin shown in Honkai could be from when the traveler looked up to him as he walked to Mondstat the first time. If he's a non-human build for this purpose, he'd also be capable to resonate with the world he's traveling to, thus being able to handle elements as a vision bearer. I'm also thinking that the reason he is not in Irminsul but his sister is, probably is because his records were deleted like scaramouche's. Which would explain his partial memory loss and why he seems to be exploring Teyvat for the first time. Now that wouldn't be enough to delete his information about his actual mission and who he is which he seems to know idk to what degree since he mentions jumping from one world to the next with his sister. The reason why they were made to stay though, I believe is because Teyvat is close to achieving the goal of it's creation, that's why they couldn't leave yet and the twins were forcefully sepparated, so one would be the other's reason to comply. In a way, Aether might be a hostage trapped in Teyvat until his sister manages to fulfill a goal: either make this world triumph or be a failed experiment. I... might be thinking too much into this though.
I know I make this from Aether's pov but that's because I play with him, either way same would apply to Lumine if it were from her pov in game.
What if we're actually playing kallen fantasy? or maybe project ark landed in teyvat at a certain place called khaenri'ah?
First of all, I can see that you are missing some very important information. Starting, the honkaiverse has two entities, the imaginary tree and the Sea of Quanta. The imaginary tree, like any tree, has many branches and leaves. those leaves are universes and the tree gives energy to the leaves to keep them alive. The honkai are the immune system of the tree. Their task is to test, nurture, and get rid of weak universes that can't return the energy and more the tree gives to sustain the leaf. As such, the honkai force the Civilization to forcefully evolve. Those that then beat the honkai are allowed to keep being on the tree while those that can't beat the honkai are cut off.
Now, where do the cut-off leaves go? Right, the Sea of Quanta. The SOQ is in constant competition for dominance with the tree. it absorbs the fallen leaves and slowly consumes them until they vanish into nothingness at the bottom of the Sea which empowers the SOQ.
Now about where Genshin belongs. Genshin is confirmed by Mihoyo to be on the tree but a different branch. That's simple as it can get. Project ARK is by no means connected to teyvat and here is the reason why. Project ARK is a space-traveling vessel tasked with bearing the human genome library deep into space to find a suitable planet. Now the reason why it can go to teyvat is because of the imaginary tree's defense system. They are called husk Nihilus and they are very powerful and can control localized time. Their task is to protect the tree and stop anyone that tries to interfere with the other leaves. The other projects aren't connected to teyvat either. Valuka was to watch other universes to find the solution to defeat the honkai and seeing as the genshin doesn't have anything relating to honkai means that Su, the person tasked with the project had no reason to watch Genshin since he needed universes that were still fighting the Honkai and finding a way to beat them.
Interesting. I never ran across that level of info in my research (but then again, Honkai has so many spin offs and I definitely did not comb through all of them - most of this comes from HI3). Do you remember which spinoff/title this info is in? Or is it in something I probably read by misinterpreted?
@@Ashikai there are no spin offs. By spin offs you mean like GGZ, fly me to the moon and honkai gauken? They arent connected, even in the honkaiverse. They are a multiverse on their own. If you want deeper lore i recommend hooping into honkai impact 3 official discord server and ask in the lore channel. But the point is a Genshin and honkai impact are linked that they are in the same multiverse but not together. On different branches you can say
The information I got this from was playing both the game and all matter of sources like manga and visual novel. This particular info about the tree and sea of Quanta came from in-game dialogue
@@Ashikai This kind of lore information can only be achieved by playing through the game and reading the manga.
No researches and wiki online I have seen so far has yet to contain enough informations
Imagery Tree just like Yggdrasil The Tree connected to other world habits like where Frost Giants live and Elf exist world?
I hope not because I don’t want to have to go through 2 games’ lore lol, just Genshin is already stressful enough
Klee's mother, Alice, might have a connection. I went a bit on a research journey after I saw a comment somewhere that mentioned that Alice talked about other worlds in her Golden Apple Archipelago dialogue. This intrigued me so I looked up Alice's wiki in hopes of finding the script because I didn't want to rewatch the entire cut scene.
I didn't find the script on Alice's wiki but I found a comment with an image from the Honkai manga of Su talking to a character named Alice. The manga is Second Key 11: No Matter the Cost (Second Key also being the manga shown in this video). This Alice shown in the Honkai manga was blond with red eyes, so she did look similar to Klee.
Coming back to the Golden Apple Archipelago, I eventually watched a video of Alice's dialogue and found this line:
"In another world, there are tales of a wondrous island named after apples . Known by many names, it embodies the majestic vistas conjured by human fantasy".
I spent some time on google trying to figure out what this island is and I found the answer, the legendary island Avalon.
Knowing how powerful Alice is, I wouldn't be surprised if she can travel to other worlds.
That's really cool! I've seen a lot of speculation about Alice being a Traveler, but this adds some nice flavor to that.
this is obviously now a little outdated in regards to genshin but now that i'm playing honkai impact 3rd in preparation for honkai star rail, i just find the connections between genshin and honkai so interesting. also can we talk about the fact that fischl is in both universes and she cosplays as (potentially actually is) a character that references traveling between universes.
Hey! I was just wondering, do you plan to do more Honkai-related theories? Or do you plan to stick only to Genshin content and just reference Honkai when you see a connection? I find the game and its lore massively underrated and as complex and interesting as Genshin, if not even more so. It's a shame since the community doesn't really have any lore-related content creators and I think many people would like to see that type of content. Anyway, I really enjoy your videos! Thank you and have a nice day! :D
Yeah I'm mostly sticking to genshin content and referencing Honkai when applicable. Playing multiple gachas is stressful lol
Honkai is exceptionally difficult to research, but the Khaenri'ah discord server DOES have a Honkai Project that's ongoing. We're attempting to chronicle the overall lore and chapter summaries. Might do something with that at some point but no plans as of yet!
I love how even though (considering the speed at which Genshin lore progresses) this has been made ages ago, it’s /still/ relevant. Especially seeing Irminsul, dreams and all that stuff covering in the three but actually four part video compilation of theories regarding descenders, seelies and the hexencircle.
14:33 and uhh, roll fucking flat DEF on an artifact.
Really loving these lore videos you produce, found you through the Sumeru and Aranara lore video coz that questline confused the hell out of me.
So like I wonder where Aether and Lumine originally came from
Same
Playing both of those games is such an amazing experience not gonna lie. Mihoyo's story writing is a masterpiece
2 years later with the info we got from both games this old theory got further solidifies
The things I learned about honkai and it’s possible connections to genshin from this video, combined with the theories about the sky being fake, the lost twin’s dialogue in the “we will be reunited” quest, and the teyvat story preview video, are making me go INSANE. Scaramouche, dainsleif, and the other twin all talk about the truth of the world and power from beyond and stuff, and the thought of that being connected to this project ark and sea of quanta is mind-blowing-
Also as a fan of no game no life I absolutely eat up any theories about the fact that the gnoses are shaped like chess pieces, so it makes me really excited that honkai also sets up some stuff with those vibes that might be connected to genshin
Another fun fact: According to Diluc's voice lines, the Traveler is quite good at chess
Twins Wings Is Based/Similar to Kiana Knight Moonbeam Battlesuit
you will a similarity if You Play Honkai Impact
and Also Aether Dress Is Similar to Kallen Sin Hunter Battlesuit
you can see many similarity if you play Both Game and Iknow You Will be Shock Once You Confirm It by yourself
I believe that! I haven't played enough of Honkai to be familiar with many of the battlesuits, but I will definitely look them up now! Thanks! :D
While Lumine outfit? How She looks like?
I really, really love your a bit sarcastic sounding voice and how you are narrating the video ^^
I totally would die from oxygen deprivation if I tried that stunt you pulled at the end xD
Genshin is a back-up of humanity. That would explain why the regions inexplicably resemble real-world countries
And why characters in Genshin resemble those of Honkai. The human genomes taken from Honkai mean essentially all the people of Teyvat are genetically linked to those of Honkai.
You know what?? This video has me COMPLETELY convinced of their connection. I wasn't so sure for a long time, but I actually came to the 'Teyvat is a spaceship' theory on my own a while back. I'd heard about the theory that Teyvat is a hollow planet previously, but also I learned that Khaenri'ah, an underground nation, required a special variant of alchemy called Khemia to create life to eat and etc.
But if Teyvat were a hollow planet, and Khaenri'ah were beneath it, they wouldn't need Khemia to grow food because they'd have the light of the true sun... right? But they don't! Likewise, going down into the Abyss, you never see the sun or daylight, ONLY stars! Which implies that there IS no true sun-- so is Teyvat instead a sunless rogue planet hurtling lost through space?
Or...Knowing that 'Teyvat' means 'ark'... could Teyvat instead be a spaceship?
Likewise, Celestia attacked and devasted Khaenri'ah, a very technologically advanced nation! If Honkai is attracted to high amounts of technology, and if Celestia WERE a system administrator, they'd want to shut that shit down quickly, right?
Anyways, extremely interesting theory...
I have no interest in either games, but I’m here to support you. This was nicely done and I did find it enjoyable.
Wow, Thank you so much for this video!! It was pretty interesting and you explained it so well too! 😆
and if Honkai and Genshin are actually some how related, then I would need to give mihoyo a big applause because that would be the work/scheme of a genius 😆😭
Do you remember the story of the Battle Pass?
There sibling went to find a pearl/seed but HAVE FORGOTTEN about it and instead now leading the kingdom which had that seed. And other sibling, went on a quest to save another one from this darkness of unremembering with "a story to be told" - or bringing a memories back.
Also, there is Herrscher power that can control memories and mind.
Fu Hua have Fenghuang Down with which she can enter other people's memories and minds and project there what she want to. She had killed like that few fake-Herrschers, by making them think that she had killed them - so their body in real world were still alive, but they had died in their mind and they lost all memories and all will, so they were basically just breathing bodies with no mind or soul anymore.
Another one was added just recently - it is Elysian Realm, and one of characters there can also do similar to Fu Hua, but on a lesser scale. However, what is more interesting - is that whole Elysian Realm is just a bunch of memroes of those people who are there, but they are an illusion, just memories and that Realm is most likely pocket universe that repeats itself.
They're not described as siblings they are described as heirs. But using the battle pass to support a hypothesis is very difficult because you have to convince somebody of the identities of the characters in the battle pass ahead of time and I personally am not convinced that the battle pass is talking about the twins. I've seen some good cases made for the twins but I just don't buy that.
@@Ashikai well, if they are heirs, they are at least somehow blood related - either by mother or father. Especially considering your theory about royal blood. Battle Pass is some legend it seems, but it describes what we've seen so far in the game pretty well. The other thing is that it is in no way connected to actual game - no one in game had recognized it or mentioned it. So I understand how it is hard to connet to the story, yeah.
Valuka??? The same Valuka that gets mentioned in Aranyaka???
your content and voice are amazing! Glad i have come across your content :)
Honkais plot sounded so similar to evangelion, I actually looked up if it was based off of it.
cause IT IS,the three founder of mihoyo are the HARD FANS of Evangelion...even their made own's engines is named Misato engine
Paimon’s cape looks like the logo from the organization(?) that started project ark
You guys know there’s a little message in game that says there’s supposedly a tree whose roots stretch across the entire world. I don’t think we’ve encountered it so what if it’s referring to the tree from Honkai🤓
well it's irminsul
Teyvat is confirmed a bubble universe that exists in the Sea of Quanta of Honkai verse. Otto pointed out the existence of Dvalin when he spied in on Teyvat from Honkai verse
the point with the imaginary Tree aged like a good whine. Thinking about Raidens latest storyarc, fighting herself in a space without any logic and concept of time with an tree in it, which bloom year before the quest is happening.
Thank you for putting so much effort into this video! It must have taken a while to deep dive into both worlds and I really appreciate you taking the time to do that, so- Thank You! Also after watching this my minds running crazy with new ideas and connections-
There is a strong theory about the identity of the Primordial one that ties to the honkai and the infamous Project Ark even more, after the introduction of the Mantis and the Elysian Realm
Ashikai you captured my heart with the way and passion you present your content. This is incredible!!! So captivating scripting and editing. And your voice is voice actor level. I want more!
Ahahaa thank you! I'm working on some new pieces but everything is so jumbled that untangling them is a little tricky aaaaaand it's taking me longer than I wanted. New video soon though. ;)
Damn! This person over here still giving hearts for the newer comments :)
But do you think you will make a continuation on this video? Since there has been many more additional clues on this. Sorry for the bad grammar
I literally lost my mind when I saw the irminsul tree and the sumeru seed lines together. begins at 9:40 .