Ravi Zacharias is super solid. Not sure how he's on your "bad preacher" list. He spoke to an all Mormon audience on two occasions and never heard him compromise the Gospel in any way at any time. If that qualifies as "fellowshipping with the Mormons" then I'm not following your logic at all? Didn't Christ spend time with sinners? That's all Ravi Zacharias was doing. I THINK you need to do more research on that one but, ether way, I appreciate your perspective and exhortation. 2/24/21 UPDATE: We've all learned that Ravi was living in massive unrepentant, sexual sin for at least the last 10 years. I was shocked and saddened. However, you should resist the temptation to respond with the passe, unintelligent "that didn't age well" comment because 1. My argument was in regard to his theology and orthodoxy, which I still think was solid (however in God's wisdom that's possible, given how Ravi seemed to turn all spiritual discernment off once he left the auditorium) and 2. That's now a very unoriginal (and did I mention unintelligent) reply.
Ravi is a beloved giant in the Christian world but he is NOT a preacher and I would add- Ravi is NOT even a teacher of the Bible - He is a wonderful bridge from worldly philosophies into Christian thinking/philosophy.
I started listening to this out of curiosity and ended up choking back tears because I’ve been riding in the middle and losing my children and grand children because of it. Thank you for your eye-opening talk.
My eyes have been opening also. The times are so dangerous now. We have to read, understand, and pray always that we make the right decision guided by the Lord and witnessed to by the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for this video! I had no idea where some of my favorite Pastors were coming from. The fundamentalist list included almost all names I had not heard of before. I'm wondering if I can ask where Pastor Robert Morris from Gateway and Tony Evans and his daughter Priscilla fall in these categories. I have no one to ask these questions. Thank YOU again for this information!
I am having to have a very difficult conversation with my parents and husband. I grew up in a church of God evangelical church and never questioned any of the practices till I came across your channel. To be honest, alot of things are starting to make sense. I really don't know where to go from here. How do I find a church? What do I do if my husband doesn't want to leave our current church? I have a 2 year old and a baby on the way... I don't want them to be swept by the current.
Best advice I can give you would be to just immerse yourself in the word and in time with Jesus personally. Five years ago, my wife and I were in a very similar situation but my wife was the one who started on that journey first and in time I came around because of her testimony and how she was changing and growing.
@@michaelwest8311 thank you for this. I feel the same as the lady above and I’ve been wondering how to deal with this with my husband other than of course prayer.
I listened to Ravi testimony in the Mormon church. They ask him to speak there. He said I will only if I can choose the topic. He explained the Gospel to them in his talk. I personally think this does not count as fellowship with them. This is making use of an open door to witness
I returned to my church not knowing it was a fundamental independent baptist. Because of my years from modern churches, I first found that church so religious but I just didn’t want to quench the Holy Spirit telling me to go back and listen to the sermon which touched me and moved me every time. Can’t believe I wasted my years in modernism not caring about the lost, can’t believe not going to soul winning!
I'm in the same boat at an evangelical church. Gotta tell my "mentor" I'm not coming over for Bible study because I'm looking for a new home church. A real Bible believing and FOLLOWING church.
I agreed with much of what you stated, but might I add a suggestion? You gave zero Biblical justification to any of your claims. If a modernist or neo-evangelical were to make the same video, they could justify their stance in the same way that you based your claims. You stated that much was "right" and "wrong" but without scripture it is just bias.
Ryan I agree, I do think for the sake of our families, we should carefully guard against heresy but as far as some of his points that I had questions about, I could not automatically agreed because some of his logic is simply not scripturally supported. But nevertheless, this video did help me to understand where many of these preachers stand.
But that’s what fundamentalists do. They make bold, definitive statements but do not back them up with scripture. Or, they will take a small portion of a verse and twist it’s meaning to support the claims they make. In the fundamentalist world, the preacher’s word is what you live by, not God’s Word.
I don't think he should be in discernment ministry like this....other's do great exposing the wolves but by the Word of God.... Spencer is kinda cringe...
@@sman4jc Fundamentalist take God serious, they are taught His ways and desire righteousness. A true fundamentalist, or one who is an authentic follower of Jesus and scriptures, won't comprise with paganism, the world, or the flesh. They enjoy the narrow path. They find LIFE and that more abundantly . They don't survive on fleshly hype. They love the Word of God and study it as they read in context. If you look to fundamentalist as a religious ppl, those are legalistic. Not pleasing to God for God is not about religion.
I grew up in a fundamentalist church and had a lot of questions why there's too many don'ts for me to follow growing up. I felt so restrained,but just lately after staying in middle east for 5 yrs and seeing a lot of religion in this place, I am thankful to God that I was born and raised as a fundamentalist. Sure I am not a perfect Christian but I am glad I grew up hearing the correct translation of the Bible. I was so surrounded by truth that everytime I see bethel church or hillsong church in youtube it gives me the creeping feeling like the Holy Spirit is telling me not to listen to them. Even I can't stand finishing sermons of Furtick, all those shouting and prosperity gospel without even opening the Bible is too good to be true. Thank you for your ministry sir. Keep it up. God bless you.
Apparently neither do you when Piper teaches replacement theology that the body of Christ replaced Israel... open to Roman 11 and see if that is so....
Yes I agree with you. John Piper himself said that he is a fundamentalist commenting on Billy Graham's ministry. Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/hA0-5gcUV2I/v-deo.html
Piper believes some are elected for hell and they can never except Christ in this life time, because they are not calvinist. Forget calvinism, I chose to belive the bible
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s Sir, I don't think you understand Calvinism. No Calvinist believes that people are chosen for hell. That is what hyper Calvinists believe. Calvinists believe that God chose some for salvation, we were given the opportunity to choose, and we made our choice, the choice we made was to sin, not seek God, not believe or repent, so God chooses us, gives us faith and repentance along with a new heart. I will ask you a question, why did you believe and others did not? Is there something special about you? Before you believed, you were wiser, which led you to have faith? And if you believed, could you be proud of having faith?
Thank you for this work Spencer. My early church days were all modernist churches, Christian rock concerts, passion conferences etc. Once I was saved I moved over to Neo Evangelical and the past several years I have progressively finding myself in the fundamentalist isle. My first notion of it was a strong conviction to steer clear of k-luv and air1. It is nice to see it all laid out, thanks again!!!
Interesting to see how much God's been separating the wheat from the chaff. I've seen a lot of people who were into the new age culture come to embrace biblical Christianity, and people who once professed to be believers either completely fall away, or perhaps even worse... Think they're following Jesus Christ when they're really following Satan. Personally, I was pretty deep into the new age culture 10 years ago, became a Christian at a conservative neo-evangelical church that was/is dangerously close to the modern side 19 months ago, and since October have been going to a Baptist church that's incredibly close to the fundamental side(they don't do church with modernists or perform "contemporary Christian" music, nor do they see modernists as Christians, but still see people like Billy Graham as brothers in Christ)
Rock and rap are styles of music, it is not the style of music that is the issue but the content that can be the issue, you can have theologically correct rock and rap.
Agreed! I wouldn't call most (even theologically correct) rock/rap music "worship" music, but it doesn't mean it cant be used to teach, share scripture and encourage the believers.
@@ernestotello9730 My understanding of this passage is the lord is talking about the wisdom of the world or the treasures of the world, not the means of communication used by people. From the understanding that you are communicateing you shouldn't use any electronics to communicate because they are of this world and therefore evil. Again it is not the mode of communication but the message that will honor or dishonor God. May you be blessed.
Thank you soo much for this. I didn’t even know their is modernism, Neo Ev, and Fundamentalists Christians. I am glad I am watching your videos. I literally thought they were all the same. I thought no matter what church you go to as a “ Christian” you be praising the lord. I am so wrong for having that mindset. I am gaining knowledge and understanding from this.
John Piper , Francis Chan? John Piper just follows Matthew 18 He's not good buddies with Rick Warren, where do you get this from? I believe in being aware of false teachers but this is just wrong as far as some neo evan. Steven Furtick should be in Modernist... I'm going to be praying for your discernment
I've been following Ravi Zacharias for a long time and he explains himself very much why he attended a mormon service. He gave the right message. He is now resting and in the presence of God.
John Piper is a proclaimed Christian Hedonist: Christian hedonism is a Christian doctrine believed by some evangelicals, more specifically those of the Reformed tradition especially in the circle of John Piper.
Got saved a couple of years ago and I am in a precarious situation....my family is Catholic. I go to church at Bibal believing fundamentalist church and everyone else continues to go to the Carholic church. Pray for my family they need saved....
@lee kelly Another lie....The Roman Catholic Church created 313 AD the last book in the New Testament was written in 90 AD. By the way where is Transubstantiation, praying to Mary, theoffice of the pope in the New Testament? It's just a figment of ur imagination....
@@leekelly1718yeah that’s just not true at all and a perversion of church history. The Catholic Church from the word “go” has been corrupting the word of God. From the time the roman catholic church came into official existence around ~600 A.D., they always attempted to keep the scriptures locked away in a dead language people didn’t commonly speak anymore to keep the scriptures from people…it was called the dark ages for a reason. But groups such as the waldenses (or the vaudois…same group) of the valleys of Piedmont of northern Italy/Southern France heralded the scriptures for something like 1000 years…and many other Christian groups besides them going all the way back to Christ and the apostles. The Roman church fell into the spirit of error very quickly…as early as around 150 A.D….
I've now watched a handful of your videos and this is the first one I largely disagree with. First, your categories are not very good. Rick Warren is not a modernist. He may have terrible methodologies, but his theology is pretty evangelical. Additionally, the charismatic heretics you noted are not modernists either. They are terribly wrong, but they aren't modernists. Their heresy is different. Second, you really show your true colors when you exemplify fundamentalists as the only good group. Bob Jones supported the KKK and was a segregationist. Spurgeon would have distanced himself and condemned many of the false teachers you have on your whiteboard, but I think he would have been in closer fellowship with many in the middle section rather than those who are considered fundamentalist. For one, most fundamentalists, like yourself I believe, are staunchly anti-Calvinism. Spurgeon and Machen were proudly Calvinists who defended it regularly. Last, all of the fundamentalists you list are dead. Are there no good living examples of fundamentalists that you can pull from? Some of them died so long ago that it is impossible to know where they would stand today and who they would fellowship with today: Machen and Spurgeon. Furthermore, John R. Rice separated himself from Jones Jr. and Jones III because of their radical separationist views. As a side note, I like to think of myself as a fundamental evangelical. I don't like how so many heretical groups, like some that you noted in your video, are considered evangelical so easily. I think there are certain things that are non-negotiable in the Christian faith: the inerrancy of the Word of God, a literal interpretation of the creation story, a literal interpretation of the fall story, the substitutionary atonement of Jesus, and a literal return of Jesus. That is just a shortlist. There are many others. I think biblical marriage (and secular marriage) is limited to one man and one woman and sex outside of marriage goes against God's creative order. I reject the prosperity gospel. However, I cannot align myself with fundamentalist because Spurgeon, MacArthur, and Piper (two who you would reject [Piper and McArthur] and one who you disagree greatly with [Spurgeon]) are probably my largest influences theologically (Goldsworthy being another). I'm a Calvinist, which most fundamentalists reject, and which is why I find your inclusion of Spurgeon and Machen so strange as they weren't fundamentalists because they died before fundamentalism. I'm not a dispensationalist, which is largely a requirement for many fundamentalist congregations (though I was a dispensationalist because my first major Christian influence was John MacArthur). Lastly, and though I don't find it unexpected given your rhetoric, you write off all Southern Baptist churches and members, of which I once was, without any consideration of the vast diversity in Southern Baptist churches, with some being very bad, many good, and others which are great. I feed bad that I will now stop watching your videos because of your uninformed views, though I do like the work you are doing in rejecting those who are truly wrong and heretical.
Rick warren is a word of faith preacher, stay away. Ravi has many good biblical messages I cannot dismiss him. Plus there are even fundamentalists who are Arminianists. Yes there are preachers/teachers that I stay away from but in my own privacy with our LORD I can listen to a message from someone like piper....I just chew the meat and spit out the bones. I don’t agree with everything John MacArthur says but overall he is great. I do like RCSproul Sr.
He's putting too many things together in the title Neo evangelicals are much more a diverse group and it depends on denomination and church. They are churches that probably fall within any of that would not call themselves fundamentalist that are just as bible-believing and Bible method as a Fundamentalist in fact some of them broke off of what you would call the modernist but I called the main line I grew up in that kind of church. I spent a lot of time in a fundamental Church they are not all created equal either there are many that have more in common with the legalism of the Galatians then they do with Orthodox Christianity
@@thejamesbondshowwithkrazyk4581 He's made some comments from time to time that make me question whether or not he is a heretic or just very careless with his words, but that doesn't make him a modernist. What comments have you made to make you call him a modernist? Has he denied the virgin birth? Has he denied the inspiration of God's Word? Has he rejected the biblical cosmology? I've just never seen him say anything that would make him a modernist.
When you're speaking of Liberty University, "I know the people personally. I'm actually pretty well connected within the ranks of that." So You're pretty much in fellowship with them, but are calling out others for doing the same? Gotcha
Although we do need people out there helping fellow Christians discern false or incorrect teachings as well as helping with loving correction and rebuke, he does come across as somewhat hypocritical and not very well researched. Another area I noticed, and hopefully someone can correct me if my observation is off, but although he condemns rock music because it is "of the world"(although the roots of rock are from black gospel music, but I digress), he seems to be a big football fan seeing the pictures and stickers on his wall...one of the teams being the Raiders who have some of the crassest and foul mouthed fans in the league(no, I'm not a Raiders "hater"). As a matter of fact, the NFL isn't exactly a family, wholesome product. Not sure if he's been to an NFL game before, but some of the things you see and hear is flat out disgusting, and not just if you're a Christian. Even by worldly standards, the things that go on at NFL games are appalling. I decided to stop going years ago and really have become more of a casual watcher in part because of it. The same can be said for college football(been to my fair share of ACC games). The difference is, I'm not on a pedestal saying these things that are "of the world" are sinful and should be avoided if you area a "real Christian".
@@th6252 wow, thanks to you I learned something about the NFL. Interesting. Thanks for this. Do you feel Spencer says mostly opinions? Or facts routed in the bible about music to listen to my friend ?
That was a cool little sermon. I didn’t know the difference between Neo-evangelical and a modernism. I love your motto of ‘doctrine matters’ as it does matter. Hello from New Zealand.
May I recommend Dr. Andy Woods@ Sugar Land Bible Church. He is a Fundamentalist Bible Teacher. I've been so blessed with watching his teachings, which are all available on You Tube. I'm from the UK and very thankful to be attending a Reformed Baptist Church ( having been in the WOF for over 20 years!). No church is going to perfect, but if the Scripture is taught as being ALL sufficient for faith and practice, that is something to be very thankful for in these dark days I think the SOLA's of the Reformation are a good guide to determine whether a church is sound or not. Thank you for your ministry Spencer. Very necessary.
You positively know a man who rightly divides the Word of Truth. When someone listens to a real annointed minister, you recognize the counterfeits more easily.
@@PixelAine1 I'm very excited I'm OUT if an pentacostal Church ‼️‼️.. . Don't know JESUS.. SENT APOSTLE PAUL TO us gentiles!!.. . Hope you get OUT TOO. . GALATIANS CHAPTER 1.. .SAYS‼️‼️ it's HELL..🔥🔥🔥 FOR anyone who Preaches ANOTHER GOSPEL. . (+ cherry picking Paul DONT COUNT)⏳
With due respect to your thoughts..I would like to say something that men of God such as Billy Graham , Ravi zacharias and some of the others that you mentioned had been a blessing to the lives of many people around the world and none of us is in a position or has the righ to judge what they had done....Talking about fellowship, they only spread the good news and did not compromised the gospel....It's not wrong to share the gospel with people or groups who are still weak in their faith in Christ or who doesn't know Him...the dangerous part are for those who think they are strong in their faith and they fellowship only amongst themselves but may dwindle because they feel they are righteous and perfect... Sir, kindly please do a background check before you make such videos because you don't know how much they have worked and dedicated their lives in serving God..we should not try to be little them but rather appreciate for all the good things they had done for the glory of God..
Finally someone who has good discernment!! Yes indeed, he must do more research and get to know the ministry ,work and teaching of those men of God, I am naming: John Piper, Billy Graham and Ravi Zacharias. He put them in blacklist!!?? SMH!! I am sure this guy is lacking good knowledge of the Gospel. -__-
Sadly Billy Graham succeeded at hoodwinking many especially you. He was a freemason and taught twisted theology. In his earlier years he preached many heretical things and if you didn't pay attention and compared it to scriptures you would be agreeing with him without knowing it. Graham was widely accepted by the world and the bible says The world will HATE YOU for His names sake .if the world loved him it's because he was of the world. He was a sellout freemason luciferian profane vessel.
Steffinie, the Bible tells us to practice discernment and to test the spirits (of teachers and prophets) to see if they are from God. It's not a matter of us claiming to be someone, it's a matter of not being seduced by false doctrine and led into error.
Unfortunately theres an interview I watched with billy Graham saying everyone, weather conscious or not is apart of the body of christ and all religions will be welcomed into heaven. I must admit I was stunned by that statement. So I guess he was false in the end or backslide from the faith
One thing I’m a little confused about when it comes to the difference between fundamentalist and neo-evangelicals as defined in this video in regards to willingness to “fellowship” with other’s who aren’t in line with my theological views...I have straight up unbelievers as friends, friends who seem to be modernists, and maybe some even more liberal than a modernist, and even a few friends who are catholic...so does that make me a neo-evangelical? I love and care about them and want to be a light of Christ’s love in their life and share the true Gospel of the Bible with them but as defined in this video how would I do that as a fundamentalist if I refused to fellowship with anyone who doesn’t believe the same things as I do?
I believe he's talking about changing your views to fit their perspective. It goes back to the heart. Why are you hanging out with them? It sounds like you are doing what Christ calls us to do, shed His light so that they can see Him in us. Not our boastful efforts.
jfryer11 that makes sense. I just wasn’t totally clear on his perspective here bc it was sounding like he was saying being a fundamentalist means to only associate with other fundamentalists. As for me, I’d consider myself still a new(er) believer, despite growing up in the church. Ironically enough God used a saddleback church campus (Rick warren’s church) to bring me back to Him after decades astray. It’s been about 3 years now that God’s been doing an overhaul on my heart but He used what He used and it started there and changed my life. My family has since moved on from there and I discovered on my own that I was craving real meat so I can feel myself migrating towards fundamentalism, if not there yet...but I’m still in that process and haven’t quite found the right church yet to align with my convictions (currently apart of a Gospel centered church but struggling with convictions over their worship not being Bible based, this video definitely enlightened me they’re neo-ev). All that to say, I have a few close friends who are still at Saddleback since that’s in my recent past and I love them dearly, breaking fellowship with them seems harsh. In my mind, how I’m interpreting this, that would be like saying to them “I’ve moved on in my walk with God so I’m done with you because your theological views aren’t deep enough for me to associate with you any longer.” When in actuality they just have no idea (nor did I at the time). But I seem to be misunderstanding what fellowship means in this context...
@@raesmith5303 You are right. Most people do not understand. I'm having a difficult time with my old church. The Lord has had me go back and explain to them the truth. They are having a hard time accepting it. They are bringing beer into the church. It's amazing what the devil will place into our minds as acceptable.
jfryer11 totally. I’ve only very recently become aware of the disturbing beliefs of Bethel and sharing this with my Christian friends and family and they’re just like “well I like the music”...very feelings based. But I will keep praying and keep sharing the truth with them! I couldn’t imagine breaking fellowship with them.
But "separation from error" doesn't mean separation from the world, and while you might not be saying that, it certainly sounds like it. This video seems only one or two steps away from the Servus Christi guy who is convinced everyone is a heretic and that apostasy has infiltrated every parcel of Christian life... orthodox Christianity is certainly a hard thing to find in today's American culture, but we're not in the Tribulation just yet. Yes, separate from modernistic, charismatic churches pastored by skinny-jean wearing, bearded "pastors," do NOT be equally yoked with them in Christian fellowship and ministry... but can we PLEASE stop sounding like paranoid hicks who denounce any and every single thing (the hick reference was not pointed at the guy in the video, just a general statement of how the enlightened crowd sees us Bible believing fundamentalists)? There are still doctrinally sound men and women out there; there are still pastors with sound theology, solid exegetical preachers who still teach the whole counsel of God... you just have to work a little harder to find them today. UA-cam seems littered with "discernment" ministries, and I'm all for sound, Biblical teaching and practice of true BIBLICAL separation, as clearly spelled out in 1 Jn 2:15-17; 2 Cor 6:14-18 and especially 2 Jn 1:7-11... but there's a difference between Biblical separation and finding the devil behind every preacher/teacher with whom we disagree. Finally, to the guy who did the video... if I've misunderstood your intentions then I sincerely ask your forgiveness.
I see this as a broad sweeping brush painting those that are not "fundamentalists" as people to avoid. I see the list and would love to see scriptural evidence for the neo evangelicals that paint them so badly. The same with Catholics. There are many "denominations" within the Catholics. Which ones are you talking about? All of them? What has Charles Stanley done specifically? Ravi fellowships with the Mormons? You get the idea... I agree with the Bethel/Hillsong assessments, along with Jakes and the word faith crowd along with the Osteen group.
@@HolySpiritIsSatanOfSinDethHell Not sure if you're replying to me, but I fail to see how that verse applies to the topic at hand. But to the verse itself, yes, I am very familiar with it, but it's also important to note that it was a parallel to Jesus' instructions to the rich young man in Matthew 19:21, and just as He meant it in Matthew, so He means in Luke... NOT a general rule to ALL Christians to own nothing and give away everything, but to closely guard our hearts against greed, and especially to the rich. Oh that today's health and wealth heretics would heed the Words of Christ.
Hi Spencer, then where does Jesus fall into your table? This video reminds me of the Pharisees and Sadducees from Christ's preaching. The amount of judgment upon people on this video is the very reason why non-believers stay away from Christians.
Thank you so much Spencer for breaking it down for me. I’ve been a Christian for 45 years, but I’ve become so confused about all of these titles to the point that I didn’t even know which category I belong to. Thank you for the beautiful explanation. I’m a Fundamentalist thank God! God bless!
Me too! I found Piper credible. John M. is ok. I like Zacharias and Jordan Peterson (Just know Peterson isn't actually Christian but his teaching are sound in Biblical ideology).
Do not worry, this man does not know what he is talking about and at no time did he base his points with the bible. They do not understand Calvinism or many points of what they speak.
helpful presentation, however, i think you are conflating fellowship with interacting. for example, i have never heard Ravi Z affirm or fellowship with mormons; he openly refutes mormonism. he engages with all types, but one would have to engage with all types to evangelize the true Word of God. also, people like Tim Tebow are not christian leaders, he is a celebrity that is also christian, don't think anyone looks to him for teachings. i think you have some very good and correct things to say, however, my perception is that you are too loose sometimes to the point of being dogmatic, so i always listen to you with great caution. being rigid doesn't necessarily mean being biblical.
He *is* one of your favorite pastors, or he *was* one of you favorite pastors? I stopped listening to him the moment I found out he fellowships with Todd White, I've been told that he was way off track before that, but I guess I'm not aware of that.
Today's Fundamentalists.. Dr. John Mc Arthur Justin Peters Paul Washer Voddie Just to name a few.. There still are good teachers of the gospel today. God has His remnant
Some of the names he mentioned are people who through their teachings I gave my life to Jesus, and since 2010 I’m completely a new person. my faith is in Jesus I was blind now I can see, I was living a sinful life but I’m now free hallelujah, Jesus broke my addiction but to see this guy criticising is so sad. He thinks he is smart but he has no connection with a living God. He is exposing others but but he is a lost soul too. Prayer to you.
Glad you're saved by Christ's sacrifice but you're wrong. All the names he exposed are fakes apart from Ravi Zaccharias who he hot wrong. Ravi only spoke at the Mormon convention to teach them the truth. Which teachers do you like and listen to?
Look up on You Tube 'Paul Washer Famous Sermon'!! Then get back to me. False teachers are Paula White- Joel & Victoria Osteen- Benny Hinn - Brian Huston - Carl Lentz - Creflo Dollar - Steven Furtick - Rick Warren - Bill Johnson - Andy Stanley - Billy Graham - Todd White - Steven Furtick RUN FROM ALL THE ABOVE
Spencer, I find it interesting that you don't name one specific well-known current-day pastor or teacher that would fit in the Fundamentalist category as you have defined it. All your examples are dead!
I agree with Angelica >I don't know of any famous fundamentalists that are alive today. Being famous can be a two edged sword for both the good and the bad. I'm glad I came upon Bro Spencer's channel.
I grew up going to a Baptist church (east Tn) and then in highschool for about a year I went to a "nondenominational" church. Also, my father was catholic so on the weekends my father would occasionally take us to his church. My husband and I both prefer the "old style" Baptist churches where the pastor actually reads from the bible&discusses it and the worship music that's sung is from a book of hymns.
Whats the point if this video ? hating one and love the other one ? So, we must separate our self from them? and not interact with them? and let them perish ? where is love in this 20 mins of video ? where is compassion ? where is mercy ? i am just saying..
@@spencersmith312 and where is the spirit of Christ in you bro? The Jesus I worship sat with thr scum of the society and brought them to salvation, if the fundamentalists had their way, they would never venture out of their white washed buildings to evangelize. I have seen separation all my life, it is a religious practice among the priestly caste of Hindus to separate themselves and not interact with lower caste of Hindus. This is nothing but neo-brahminism masquerading as Christianity. That question you asked this person reeks of spiritual pride. Very sorry to say this.
kiran kumar I have listened to Spencer’s videos off and on for a while now, and I was shocked by the attitude in this one. Truth is if upmost importance, But I would point out that one of the guys you aren’t too fond of, the late Ravi Zacharias, was adept at communicating some very hard hitting, convicting, and uncomfortable truths, and doing it with an incredible amount of gentleness and love. Justin peters is another example of someone who can communicate some very difficult to swallow truths, Yet do it in love. I’ve seen you do it Spencer, I know you can.
So are you saying that Fundamentalists are the only ones who are true believers? I am a member of a very conservative Baptist church that falls between neo-evangelicals and fundamentalism. I believe in the virgin birth, that Jesus was fully God and fully man, that He was crucified, died and was resurrected 3 days later. I do listen to some of the pastors in the neo group. Does that make me a heretic? As far as music, I love the old hymns but I also enjoy the music and positivity of K-LOVE and Air 1. There is no such thing as Christian music...it is the lyrics that make it secular or Christian. What would you think if someone took the music of a hymn such as The Old Rugged Cross and changed the lyrics to secular ones? I just feel like you are being very judgmental and close minded in your views. I totally agree with your modernist views. I am just not sure how you can say a mighty man of God like Billy Graham has two big strikes against him. He preached the gospel and only the gospel. Your example was having Johnny Cash sing at one of his revivals. Do you really believe that we are supposed to only fellowship with like minded believers ? Where will people hear the truth? It is no wonder that so many people are turned off by believers when we are so judgmental of not only them, but of other believers. I believe that there are non negotiables (pro life, pro Biblical marriage, pro Israel, virgin birth, the trinity, crucifixion and resurrection, we are all sinners saved by grace, Jesus is the only way to heaven, etc). Where I have a problem is when we get caught up in things that will not make a difference in our eternities (musical instruments, music, etc). It just makes me sad that your vision is so critical. In closing, I believe God is the only one who knows our hearts and our motives. I am thankful that He is the Judge and not sinful human beings.
I'm confused if the lyrics in Christian rock or rap is dead on Gospel why is that wrong? If a guitar has a distortion pedal hooked to it it can't be Christian come on.
I 100% agree with you. Christian lyrics are Christian lyrics, and it doesn’t matter at all what the instruments or sounds are. It just matters if it glorifies God. I don’t believe that this channel is a good source of information, and he seems very biased towards anything outside of his personal habits and opinions.
Have to agree, but steer clear of NAR music (bethel hill song). Beautiful eulogy has Rock solid gospel spit in lyrics, not just some random positive music other CHH rappers spill. I used to love Andy Mineo but his newest album has more clear satanic symbolism, not sure why he’s trying to confuse.
it's spirit versus flesh. rock and rap have a worldly origin that is nowhere near the things of God. adding christian lyrics to that kind of music is like dipping a dog turd in chocolate and eating it. yes, it may look (sound) like something good, but really, it's tainted, much like christian rock and rap is tainted by worldliness.
Yo Boi Smitty is worship with the lyre and shophar the only acceptable music? Piano, drums, you in the pipe organ and string instrument have a long history of secular usage and influence. I’m not sure of any instrument currently in use that was designed by God…
I think he means fleshy music be it rap or rock or whatever. Music that just draws people because it's just familiar and catchy and not centred on the Gospel and truth.
When D.L. Moody was alive he gave money to two Catholic churches in Connecticut. In 1896 he preached at the LDS tabernacle in Salt Lake City. It is ironic that a lot of fundamentalists praise Moody.
@@carlmorde7901 I am a Canadian. I do not know if that makes me more objective. Moody certainly created bonds of goodwill between Americans and the British Isles. Unfortunately he supported two seminaries that quickly went liberal after he died. I am quite certain that when he preached at the Mormon tabernacle there would have been people that needed to hear the gospel. It could be that in the providence of God that some people might have come to know Christ when he did that. But to preach the gospel in a Mormon setting under the sponsorship of the LDS is going too far. Moody practiced ecumenical evangelism sixty years before Billy Graham did. For what's worth John McArthur is no fan of Moody.
He gave them money, so what? We shouldn't trust he was a real Christian? Come on. Do you really bealive that in heaven there will only be evangelicals?? Many catholics could be save despite of being catholics, and that's no heresy or nonsense, it's not about the level of your theology or doing this or those things, it's about putting your faith in Jesus Christ. Of course that's no licence to be ignorant about the truth of the gospel. Maybe moody helped many people in that catholic churches with the true gospel. And you are criticizing him? Wow
@@roberteaston6413 I see your point but tell me, if you had the opportunity to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ in a Mosque or in a Jewish temple, u wouldn't do it? Will u be coursed or something like that? I think it's easy to be legalistics about the gospel, Paul didn't seem to care where he was when it came to preaching Jesus. By the way by no means I am advocating for ecumenism.
@@davidolivares247 You may have a point. Relax. Judge will judge fairly. Of course there will be many saved people theology was suspect.....but Jesus did warn against deception....and so we have to strive to stick to Biblical truth.....we live in a time with so much knowledge that it is becoming more difficult to plead ignorance..... Spencer is warning about deception....and we should investigate...
You can’t break it down this simply. There’s plenty of very very good Evangelicals and plenty of whacked Fundamentalists. My church would be considered Evangelical and my pastor would never share a pulpit with a modernist. JD Greear is an evangelical. I challenge you to do a “I Listened to Five Hours Of JDGreear”. JD is way more solid than Furtick. The biggest error of Fundamentalists is legalism .....teaching performance based gospel. It can screw you up for life.
We live in scary times, thats for sure. The devil pulls us to one side but at the same time we have to make sure to not overcompensate and fall to a different error on the opposite side.
In the late 1920s, Jones, like Billy Sunday (who was an Iowan), accepted contributions for his evangelistic campaigns from the Ku Klux Klan. Jones also supported members of the Klan, notably his friend, Alabama Governor Bibb Graves, for political office. Although Jones rejected lawlessness and lynching, he sympathized with the Klan's professed endorsement of religious orthodoxy, Prohibition, and opposition to the teaching of evolution as fact. Racial segregation per se was hardly an issue among whites in 1920s Alabama because at the time both supporters and a majority of white opponents of the Klan were segregationists. Nevertheless, Jones remained a segregationist into the era of the Civil Rights Movement, when he was in his 70s. There are few references to race in Jones's sermons and chapel messages until the late 1950s, but in a 1960 radio address, Jones declared that God had been the author of segregation and that opposition to segregation was opposition to God. Jones's health began to fail before the integration of neighboring Furman University in 1965, and he did not live to see the abandonment of segregation, six years later, at Bob Jones University.
An interesting video to be sure. While I agree with most of what Spencer Smith says, there is one thing that really sticks out to me that I disagree with, and that is Charles Stanley. Although Spencer says Stanley is a sound teacher and loves the Lord, I have to disagree. Back in 1990 Charles Stanley wrote a book called "Eternal Security: Can You Be Sure?" It is still in print today. In this book Stanley teaches that once a person is saved (by asking Jesus into their heart, raising their hand during an altar call, etc) they can live any way they want. They can even go so far as to leave the Christian faith altogether, live a life patterned by sin, die in that condition, and still go to heaven. He teaches that the "Outer Darkness" spoken of in Scripture, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth is actually heaven, albeit a small corner of heaven, but nonetheless still heaven. I know the man who was Charles Stanley's personal assistant for several decades. I asked him recently if Stanley still holds to these teachings that he put forth in his book and in many of his sermons and teachings. His answer was, "Oh yes, absolutely." To be honest, I am not even sure Charles Stanley is even saved. I hope he is, but I am not convinced he is, as he is a false teacher who puts forth a different gospel.
dude while I agree with alot of these things, I feel like I saw you put people, that have nothing wrong with their theology, in different catagories because of a friend they had in the modernist catagories. like I feel like this video divides incorrectly.
Quentin Myers Considering he says he has friends In the same fields but doesn’t call himself out.... I think it’s time I stop watching his videos. He is all for calling out others but hasn’t mentioned the scriptural evidence for why each are classified as they are.
@@Tact012 i agree he should be giving Scriptural reference for this video. But here's a couple that may help. We are the salt of the earth, if we lose our saltiness, how can we be made so again? If we compromise in any way with the world, even just to get people to Christ, we in turn lose some of our saltiness( purity from the world). Also, the Word says we are a peculiar people and set apart for Christ. Same thing. If we compromise the fundamentals of the faith and borrow worldly practices/ideas to win ppl, we lose our peculiarness. Also, we aren't to have fellowship with the works of darkness. This doesn't mean don't share the Gospel with sinners, this means not linking up or agreeing in any way with those who mix the truth in with lies and use carnal means to get people to Christ or to their church.
I've listened to JD Greer for years on my drive to work. I don't understand what places him in the modern. Please expand as I've found his teachings on the radio to be very Biblical so what is he doing that makes you say this?
You are an answer to my prayers. I came out of evangelical christian church which I left because of the witchcraft in the church. It has taken me years to walk out of all the "junk" that had come into my life. I still don't have a church family simply because I have not found anyone that really wants to follow the Bible (as it was written), not one these off the wall translations. Until I found your UA-cam channel I was beginning to think there were no real believers left. I hope to be able to purchase your book on Good and Evil soon and I will continue to watch your videos. Thank you for staying true to God's Word.
Hi Spencer, our son is doing 8th Grade with Liberty University via their online program. Now I am bumped to find out about this. We are definitely in the fundamentalist category. Do you know a school with Online Highschool program that is more on the fundamental side in their educational approach?
At 16:28, please elaborate on the theological heresy committed by the people and Liberty U that you have on the board at that time. I agree with you on the Bill Johnson's, NAR, WOF, Furtick and some of those guys but interested in what heresies you say of the people written down at 16:28 in your video.
Hey friend, you have a good point all though I think you are wrong. Indeed Jesus did have fellowship with sinners and we ought to also, but I believe you are confusing everyday fellowship with church fellowship. We are directed in the bible how to conduct church, and in that we are told to separate from false teachers aka the modernist in this video. Sure, every christian has some minor differences in theology such as Calvinism vs Arminianism, or Baptism, etc. But we must agree on the essential elementary fundamental basics of the Bible, which the Modernist twist, therefor we must separate and not do church with them. That is where the Neo-evangelicals screw up. I love and cherish many Neo-evangelicals such as John Piper, Billy Graham, Ravi Zacharias, David Jeremiah, and Charles Stanley, although i think they are very wrong. God Bless.
Mate, that was a bunch of light weight fluff with no meat at all. Just your own personal opinions. And I come from what you would label a Fundamental church, but at least there we were taught to get to the depths of an issue so we understood it. I'm looking forward to our eternity where there are NO labels or divisions. There will be no baptists, brethren, methodists, or any type of denominations there, only His people.
Amen Pastor .Your exegesis is based on very sound and correct biblical principles . My late father ( Baptist pastor ) was frequently castigated for preaching at length about sin , righteousness and judgement etc ..His favourite authors were Spurgeon , Graeme Scroggie , JC Ryle , Tozer , Whitfield etc ...... I bravely follow the footsteps of my father but the odds are stacked against us . Please pray for me .
I am learning more about Southern Baptists that concerns me. Our SB church is more conservative than the convention but I have a growing concern and don’t know of any local option of a fundamentalist church.
I do know some Southern Baptists in our area, but they professed that they don't compromised with the larger groups. They even fellowshipped with us in theological and biblical studying. I hope the Southern BC may reclaim true believers from these new growing modernists and neo churches.
Lutherans believe in Baptism as commanded by Christ and that Baptism is effective due to faith in Christ/God and His Word. They thus believe that people are saved by God/Christ's actions through faith and not works (even insistence on "right/proper" human understanding of how God works in this case might be considered to be a "work"). Thus the important thing is to believe, trust, and obey God's Word...which Lutherans* do (*LCMS, WELS, and some others do at least. ELCA does not and probably should no longer be considered Lutheran or fully Christian) Have no idea what statues are being referred to as I haven't encountered that. Are there crucifixes? Sure as they are meant to remind people of Christ and salvation through Him alone, but Lutherans don't worship or pray to statues or any other idols.
I'll add that Lutherans such as LCMS and WELS would be best considered as fundamentalist as described. They do not fellowship with those who openly compromise or those who fellowship with others that compromise.
@@John14vs6_ Spencer is an independant Baptist, not all Baptists are Calvinists. Calvinists - also called Reformed - is a word after John Calvin who laid out the doctrine of grace. It’s to do with doctrines like election etc. All those preachers you mentioned are very good indeed and I would put them under the fundamentalists column or just make another column alongside and called it “reformed” because they usually don’t compromise and stand firm - also for a Baptist or generally speaking, fundamentalists mean “fundamental baptists” and they are very firm/strict from what I understand (I don’t know them much I’m not in the US).
@@Ruby-22 thank you very much for clearing this up. Yes I used to be involved in the Word of faith movement and prosperity gospel churches until in 2020 due to covid I stayed at home and studied my Bible for myself and God opened my eyes to know the truth and that's when I left all those wrong doctrine churches who preaching half truths. I was totally deceived. I'm here in south Africa johannesburg and yet to find a very good word based church.
@@John14vs6_ I totally understand, I came a long way just like you, I was in a Charismatic - Word of faith - Apostolic African church, the pastor at the top functioned like a guru and within the last two years the Lord opened my eyes. It’s a long process to unlearn some things due to all the brainwashing but by the grace of God and thanks to people like those you mentioned I am being renewed. There’s so much deception out there but the Lord will call his true children out of it 🙏. To find a good Bible-based church I’d say look for a Baptist or Reformed or Presbyterian that don’t ask for tithes. I know in South Africa there’s lots of false preachers but by God’s Grace you should find one. It doesn’t have to be large or popular - the more it is, the risk is the less godly it will be…
Great video. I’ve listened to these people. Some of them I immediately recognize as blatantly wrong. But others just leave me feeling that something is off even though they sound good. Now you have clarified it and I thank you for that.
I never have any negative comments on your videos and I appreciate this one too, but why did yo u not give a current list of fundamentalists? Spurgeon and these others (most of whom I have never heard of were not helpful to me). Who are the modern day fundamentalists we might listen to? Thanks.
So what group would Jesus be in? Follow up question what group would Jesus fellowship with? Finally question, if fundamentalist have the proper theology, method, and fellowship do they remind you of someone in the gospels (Pharisees, Sadducees, and Teachers of the law). The trouble with measuring ourselves up with ism's is that we stop measuring ourselves up with Christ.
I like what the expression "Biblical methodology" conveys: using methods approved by the Bible. So, what is the difference between using beer/rock and roll, rap, etc. and having a music band in the worship service? Perhaps both methods are not authorized by the Bible? Let's use "Biblical methodology" when we worship God: Ephesians 5:18-21, Colossians 3:16-17, Mark 14:26, Acts 16:25.
Spence, I’m kinda curious where you’d put Christian youtubers like Paul & Morgan, Girl Defined, Rachel Stephens, watchman on the wall 88, Allen parr and Dr. Gene Kim?!😯
Don't watch Rachel Stephens, she contradicts especially on the bible version issue Gene Kim who I would most definitely recommend. I would also recommend Charles Lawson, John Davis, and Andrew Sluder (for the most part).
I don't entirely understand what all this means, but I feel like I'm mixed between them all... I don't agree that christian rock and roll is bad, or christian rap.. how can it be bad? idk... my whole life my family has been baptists, and I've been in and out of baptists churches, and some pentecostal churches... and I cannot say that I really enjoy either of them. The congregations of both are sweet people, but they have that belief of the ONE right way, and they don't have fun worshipping Jesus Christ how I want to worship Him. The only churches that I've been to that I actually love and feel the emotions and love are non-denominational churches. They play the good music that we all know and love, not boring old people hymns... and so much other stuff that I love.
John MacArthur is neo Evangelical, together with his best bud John Piper. Paul Washer has sadly made some missteps lately, I hope he'll turn back on those. Vodie Bachaum seems solid, let's pray he'll stay solid.
Hi Spencer. Thank you for your discernment and knowledge. I have been praying for clarity and your videos helped me tremendously...I especiaĺly loved 3rd Adam!!!! Thank you.
I'm a conservative, evangelical, non-Calvinist, fundamentalist, that grew up non-denominational, spent several years in IFB churches, went to both PCC and BJU, and currently lead worship at a conservative Southern Baptist church. I feel like I know everybody!
I recently took my son out of public school and he will start this next year at a private school “Grace christian”. What’s the best way to know if they are fundamentalist or Neo- Ev? Also my son and I only listen to K-Love radio station who play Lauren Daigle, casting crowns and so forth thinking it was great music for him. But now that my eyes have been open to the truth , my question is any of those artists on there legit ? Thank you for your time
Could you please do a video on Catholicism? I was raised baptist and went to a catholic high school and didn’t have any issues but would love to hear your take on it!
Thank you!! This was a very informative & helpful video. I am glad to know I'm a fundamentalist, though I'm one of those oneness pentecostals you mentioned.
I found your channel a few weeks ago and I have learned so much but also have become very confused.. I get what you have to say about worship music, especially Bethel, Jesus Culture, Hillsong, etc. but I do have some teachers that I love to listen to and am wondering about them as well. They would include: Charles Lawson (Still Waters here on UA-cam), John MacArthur, John Piper, Wretched, Ray Comfort, Justin Peters and a little Voddie Bauchaum. I used to really enjoy Zacharias and loved Francis Chan but have recently been very disappointed in their teaching so I no longer follow along with either one of them.. I know that none of the people I listed above are perfect by any sense but I do feel as if they love the Lord and stand up for a lot of issues that we should be standing for. What are your views on these preachers? Are any of them inherently false in your opinion?
I can't answer for Missionary Smith but if I may share some insights. John MacArthur - biblical, but has some teachings that are controversial, especially about the mark of the beast. John Piper - biblical, but is sometimes loose in associating with bad theologians. Wretched - biblical, but sometimes is somewhat annoying when using sarcasm. Ray Comfort, Justin Peters, Vodie Baucham - biblical, don't know of any issues regarding them.
+kyliegomez - MacArthur is a heretic, John Piper is swinging towards Catholicism, Todd Friel is a mouthpiece for MacArthur and I love Justin Peters but he refuses to expose MacArthur's heresies, and THAT is his Ministry!! Zacharias is DANGEROUS - he's into the "trans" movement and the rest and sponsors people on his "tours" who also do.One said that Jesus had "Body Dysphoria" --OH PLEASE!! Jesus is clear - BEWARE of false teachers.. DO some research....We're to have an use discernment. Charles Lawson is the only TRUE Pastor here.
Could you please go into more detail about which denominations fall into which of these three categories? I’m having a hard time figuring out where Calvinists, neo-calvinists, Methodists, Baptists, etc fall into.
I would recommend to watch Servus Christi latest posting called Bridge Builders... it is two hour long but really worth the watch. It exposes John McArthur and his ilk, with proof, the hypocrisy they spew forth. Blessing and peace.
@@DallyLaw oh wow! All this time I been watching his sermons. I thought some of hisn teaching was pretty good. I will definitely check out this video. Thanks man
@@mehdihatemi5981 Charles Lawson is a great preacher not just of the word but of warning his congregation of the evils in this modern world. A Watchman on the wall for today.
From Bob Jones sermon and tract [Acts 17:26 Is Crucial and Clear: God Fixed the Bounds of the Races’ Inhabitations] and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.” Now, what does that say? That says that God Almighty fixed the bounds of their habitation. That is as clear as anything that was ever said. If you have a legal document and there is a paragraph that is clear and you come across an obscure passage, you interpret the obscure passage in the light of the clear passage. Any lawyer will tell you that. If he has a case in court, he will say, “Now, gentlemen of the jury, here is what this paragraph says. This one paragraph is not quite clear, but this other paragraph is clear; and we will interpret this in the light of the clear passage.”
So who is left according to this dude everything is somewhat a lil off. All I know is christ fellowship with sinners .. there is NO impact without contact we can change the the teachings of some of these confused brothers with fellowship with one another .. borrowing false Doctrine from somebody is not right I agree but without talking to them and fellowshipping how are we supposed to make a positive correct impact on these people who are confused on their teaching I'm not sure about this guy bude talking
The Bible says Jesus ate with them, but He didn't fall into their way of sinning, and He always expected change from them. We are also told that if someone claims to be a believer, yet commits sins (some listed in 1 Corinthians 5:11), we are to avoid associating with them. Yet, we are also told not to judge our brothers, or God will judge us by that same standard. The truth is in God's Word, and any group that teaches anything against it, is to be avoided. However, Thank God I am not the judge, and I am not the one who decides who will be in Heaven, because many will be shocked who will be there, and who will not.
Hiii, just a young growing girly here. How do you define fellowship? Like what exactly does that mean? Like be friends with them? Worship with them? Bible study with them? Just talk to them as an acquaintance?
Ooh also, John Piper. I like him a lot. His preaching I really enjoy. Is he in the Neo-evangelical section only because he will pray with a modernist? Or does he also use modernist methods? If so, what ones? Just curious because I've never noticed but that could just be my own way of seeing things that maybe I need to rethink!
Modernist views are so not okay. I definitely believe that. I'm currently in between Fundamentalist & Neo-Ev. Just because there are some modern day Christian music that I don't think is bad. Christian rap.. I don't think that's bad either (as long as there are no cuss words or false messages in it) I just personally don't like rap music at all so I won't listen to it. I know I just need to educate myself on it all more so I'm not sitting on the fence between the two
Spencer, I have been watching your videos with intense interest. I have a couple of questions that I would like your input on. I am a fundamental Christian living out in the country in Oklahoma. It is very hard to find a Bible preaching fellowship where I live. Plus my husband doesn’t really see the need to go looking elsewhere. We attend a small United Methodist church here with a female pastor. She is a nice woman, but I cannot get away from what God’s word says about that. Any suggestions for praying about this situation? My other question is about fellowship outside of the church arena. I volunteer weekly at our local soup kitchen. It is run by the Roman Catholic Church. I was raised a catholic so I know how far it is from Christianity. I am torn about continuing to work with them. It isn’t church, but am I giving tacit agreement to their beliefs? When visiting family in California, I went to a Jesus culture service. I really don’t know how they can call themselves Christian. It’s entertainment at best, with a vacuous pep talk that didn’t even mention Jesus. Pretty bad.
Why don't you fellowship with your husband and kids in your own home and perhaps invite other people to join you? That is what the early church did; u do not need a building called "church" to fellowship.
Thank you for this explanation. It helps me a lot. Question is what is New Calvinism? I’ve read this book by Josh Buise. The book is interesting but I would like to find out from you what this new movement is. Thank you so much
As my pastor says, "Satan owns the fence, too." Thank you, this was very helpful.
Ravi Zacharias is super solid. Not sure how he's on your "bad preacher" list. He spoke to an all Mormon audience on two occasions and never heard him compromise the Gospel in any way at any time. If that qualifies as "fellowshipping with the Mormons" then I'm not following your logic at all? Didn't Christ spend time with sinners? That's all Ravi Zacharias was doing. I THINK you need to do more research on that one but, ether way, I appreciate your perspective and exhortation.
2/24/21 UPDATE: We've all learned that Ravi was living in massive unrepentant, sexual sin for at least the last 10 years. I was shocked and saddened. However, you should resist the temptation to respond with the passe, unintelligent "that didn't age well" comment because 1. My argument was in regard to his theology and orthodoxy, which I still think was solid (however in God's wisdom that's possible, given how Ravi seemed to turn all spiritual discernment off once he left the auditorium) and 2. That's now a very unoriginal (and did I mention unintelligent) reply.
Ravi is a beloved giant in the Christian world but he is NOT a preacher and I would add- Ravi is NOT even a teacher of the Bible - He is a wonderful bridge from worldly philosophies into Christian thinking/philosophy.
RZ promotes Catholic mystic Henri Nouwen.
@@vanessaloy1049 Interesting. First I've heard that. How does he promote him?
@@ralvis22 See one example here. www.rzim.org/listen/just-a-thought/the-love-received-must-be-shown
Vanessa Loy Ravi has called Catholicism a cult.
I started listening to this out of curiosity and ended up choking back tears because I’ve been riding in the middle and losing my children and grand children because of it. Thank you for your eye-opening talk.
My eyes have been opening also. The times are so dangerous now. We have to read, understand, and pray always that we make the right decision guided by the Lord and witnessed to by the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for this video! I had no idea where some of my favorite Pastors were coming from. The fundamentalist list included almost all names I had not heard of before. I'm wondering if I can ask where Pastor Robert Morris from Gateway and Tony Evans and his daughter Priscilla fall in these categories. I have no one to ask these questions. Thank YOU again for this information!
I am having to have a very difficult conversation with my parents and husband. I grew up in a church of God evangelical church and never questioned any of the practices till I came across your channel. To be honest, alot of things are starting to make sense. I really don't know where to go from here. How do I find a church? What do I do if my husband doesn't want to leave our current church? I have a 2 year old and a baby on the way... I don't want them to be swept by the current.
Best advice I can give you would be to just immerse yourself in the word and in time with Jesus personally. Five years ago, my wife and I were in a very similar situation but my wife was the one who started on that journey first and in time I came around because of her testimony and how she was changing and growing.
Find a Calvary chapel churches . Verse by verse teaching from Genisis to Revelation
@@michaelwest8311 thank you for this. I feel the same as the lady above and I’ve been wondering how to deal with this with my husband other than of course prayer.
@@rachalhamilton3571 Do not try to fix your husband. Rather, continue in prayer for him but allow your life and growth in the spirit to draw him.
I listened to Ravi testimony in the Mormon church. They ask him to speak there. He said I will only if I can choose the topic. He explained the Gospel to them in his talk. I personally think this does not count as fellowship with them. This is making use of an open door to witness
Exactly so many of us Christian just want to judge and label . We need to remember the world is our mission field and we are missionaries
@@TheSierriacoates 🤔
Apostle Paul says..
To judge!..
CHAPTER 1..1ST CORINTHIANS
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I returned to my church not knowing it was a fundamental independent baptist. Because of my years from modern churches, I first found that church so religious but I just didn’t want to quench the Holy Spirit telling me to go back and listen to the sermon which touched me and moved me every time. Can’t believe I wasted my years in modernism not caring about the lost, can’t believe not going to soul winning!
I'm in the same boat at an evangelical church. Gotta tell my "mentor" I'm not coming over for Bible study because I'm looking for a new home church. A real Bible believing and FOLLOWING church.
I agreed with much of what you stated, but might I add a suggestion? You gave zero Biblical justification to any of your claims. If a modernist or neo-evangelical were to make the same video, they could justify their stance in the same way that you based your claims. You stated that much was "right" and "wrong" but without scripture it is just bias.
Ryan I agree, I do think for the sake of our families, we should carefully guard against heresy but as far as some of his points that I had questions about, I could not automatically agreed because some of his logic is simply not scripturally supported. But nevertheless, this video did help me to understand where many of these preachers stand.
But that’s what fundamentalists do. They make bold, definitive statements but do not back them up with scripture. Or, they will take a small portion of a verse and twist it’s meaning to support the claims they make. In the fundamentalist world, the preacher’s word is what you live by, not God’s Word.
I don't think he should be in discernment ministry like this....other's do great exposing the wolves but by the Word of God.... Spencer is kinda cringe...
@@sman4jc Fundamentalist take God serious, they are taught His ways and desire righteousness.
A true fundamentalist, or one who is an authentic follower of Jesus and scriptures, won't comprise with paganism, the world, or the flesh.
They enjoy the narrow path. They find LIFE and that more abundantly . They don't survive on fleshly hype. They love the Word of God and study it as they read in context.
If you look to fundamentalist as a religious ppl, those are legalistic. Not pleasing to God for God is not about religion.
Exactly.
I grew up in a fundamentalist church and had a lot of questions why there's too many don'ts for me to follow growing up. I felt so restrained,but just lately after staying in middle east for 5 yrs and seeing a lot of religion in this place, I am thankful to God that I was born and raised as a fundamentalist. Sure I am not a perfect Christian but I am glad I grew up hearing the correct translation of the Bible. I was so surrounded by truth that everytime I see bethel church or hillsong church in youtube it gives me the creeping feeling like the Holy Spirit is telling me not to listen to them. Even I can't stand finishing sermons of Furtick, all those shouting and prosperity gospel without even opening the Bible is too good to be true. Thank you for your ministry sir. Keep it up. God bless you.
Feel the same way
If you put John Piper in the same category as stephen Furtick, its pretty apparent that you don't know John Piper or Stephen Furtick.
Amen
Apparently neither do you when Piper teaches replacement theology that the body of Christ replaced Israel... open to Roman 11 and see if that is so....
Yes I agree with you. John Piper himself said that he is a fundamentalist commenting on Billy Graham's ministry. Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/hA0-5gcUV2I/v-deo.html
Piper believes some are elected for hell and they can never except Christ in this life time, because they are not calvinist. Forget calvinism, I chose to belive the bible
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s Sir, I don't think you understand Calvinism. No Calvinist believes that people are chosen for hell. That is what hyper Calvinists believe. Calvinists believe that God chose some for salvation, we were given the opportunity to choose, and we made our choice, the choice we made was to sin, not seek God, not believe or repent, so God chooses us, gives us faith and repentance along with a new heart. I will ask you a question, why did you believe and others did not? Is there something special about you? Before you believed, you were wiser, which led you to have faith? And if you believed, could you be proud of having faith?
Thank you for this work Spencer. My early church days were all modernist churches, Christian rock concerts, passion conferences etc. Once I was saved I moved over to Neo Evangelical and the past several years I have progressively finding myself in the fundamentalist isle. My first notion of it was a strong conviction to steer clear of k-luv and air1. It is nice to see it all laid out, thanks again!!!
Literally in the same place!
Interesting to see how much God's been separating the wheat from the chaff. I've seen a lot of people who were into the new age culture come to embrace biblical Christianity, and people who once professed to be believers either completely fall away, or perhaps even worse... Think they're following Jesus Christ when they're really following Satan.
Personally, I was pretty deep into the new age culture 10 years ago, became a Christian at a conservative neo-evangelical church that was/is dangerously close to the modern side 19 months ago, and since October have been going to a Baptist church that's incredibly close to the fundamental side(they don't do church with modernists or perform "contemporary Christian" music, nor do they see modernists as Christians, but still see people like Billy Graham as brothers in Christ)
Rock and rap are styles of music, it is not the style of music that is the issue but the content that can be the issue, you can have theologically correct rock and rap.
Agreed! Brother werks from revelations of Jesus Christ is a great example of someone who preaches the word and raps using truth.
Its about people brining the world into the church is why
The style of music does not matter. it's the message, the words which matter
Agreed! I wouldn't call most (even theologically correct) rock/rap music "worship" music, but it doesn't mean it cant be used to teach, share scripture and encourage the believers.
@@ernestotello9730 My understanding of this passage is the lord is talking about the wisdom of the world or the treasures of the world, not the means of communication used by people.
From the understanding that you are communicateing you shouldn't use any electronics to communicate because they are of this world and therefore evil.
Again it is not the mode of communication but the message that will honor or dishonor God.
May you be blessed.
Thank you soo much for this. I didn’t even know their is modernism, Neo Ev, and Fundamentalists Christians. I am glad I am watching your videos. I literally thought they were all the same. I thought no matter what church you go to as a “ Christian” you be praising the lord. I am so wrong for having that mindset. I am gaining knowledge and understanding from this.
An excellent weather forecast explanation of the 'Christian' climate today. 👌🏻
Nicely put!! Talk about serious climate change!
I agree love this
Perfect Word tells us what The Lord God is doing! Listen closely.
John Piper , Francis Chan? John Piper just follows Matthew 18 He's not good buddies with Rick Warren, where do you get this from? I believe in being aware of false teachers but this is just wrong as far as some neo evan. Steven Furtick should be in Modernist... I'm going to be praying for your discernment
I've been following Ravi Zacharias for a long time and he explains himself very much why he attended a mormon service. He gave the right message. He is now resting and in the presence of God.
@@markgarcia3889 I also thought he gave the right message. Glad you said that.
I said the same thing.. John piper??
Why is John piper here?
John Piper is a proclaimed Christian Hedonist: Christian hedonism is a Christian doctrine believed by some evangelicals, more specifically those of the Reformed tradition especially in the circle of John Piper.
Got saved a couple of years ago and I am in a precarious situation....my family is Catholic. I go to church at Bibal believing fundamentalist church and everyone else continues to go to the Carholic church. Pray for my family they need saved....
praying 🙏
Thank those Catholics for the New Testament. You wouldn’t have one without em.
@lee kelly Another lie....The Roman Catholic Church created 313 AD the last book in the New Testament was written in 90 AD. By the way where is Transubstantiation, praying to Mary, theoffice of the pope in the New Testament? It's just a figment of ur imagination....
@@leekelly1718yeah that’s just not true at all and a perversion of church history. The Catholic Church from the word “go” has been corrupting the word of God. From the time the roman catholic church came into official existence around ~600 A.D., they always attempted to keep the scriptures locked away in a dead language people didn’t commonly speak anymore to keep the scriptures from people…it was called the dark ages for a reason. But groups such as the waldenses (or the vaudois…same group) of the valleys of Piedmont of northern Italy/Southern France heralded the scriptures for something like 1000 years…and many other Christian groups besides them going all the way back to Christ and the apostles. The Roman church fell into the spirit of error very quickly…as early as around 150 A.D….
I've now watched a handful of your videos and this is the first one I largely disagree with. First, your categories are not very good. Rick Warren is not a modernist. He may have terrible methodologies, but his theology is pretty evangelical. Additionally, the charismatic heretics you noted are not modernists either. They are terribly wrong, but they aren't modernists. Their heresy is different. Second, you really show your true colors when you exemplify fundamentalists as the only good group. Bob Jones supported the KKK and was a segregationist. Spurgeon would have distanced himself and condemned many of the false teachers you have on your whiteboard, but I think he would have been in closer fellowship with many in the middle section rather than those who are considered fundamentalist. For one, most fundamentalists, like yourself I believe, are staunchly anti-Calvinism. Spurgeon and Machen were proudly Calvinists who defended it regularly. Last, all of the fundamentalists you list are dead. Are there no good living examples of fundamentalists that you can pull from? Some of them died so long ago that it is impossible to know where they would stand today and who they would fellowship with today: Machen and Spurgeon. Furthermore, John R. Rice separated himself from Jones Jr. and Jones III because of their radical separationist views.
As a side note, I like to think of myself as a fundamental evangelical. I don't like how so many heretical groups, like some that you noted in your video, are considered evangelical so easily. I think there are certain things that are non-negotiable in the Christian faith: the inerrancy of the Word of God, a literal interpretation of the creation story, a literal interpretation of the fall story, the substitutionary atonement of Jesus, and a literal return of Jesus. That is just a shortlist. There are many others. I think biblical marriage (and secular marriage) is limited to one man and one woman and sex outside of marriage goes against God's creative order. I reject the prosperity gospel. However, I cannot align myself with fundamentalist because Spurgeon, MacArthur, and Piper (two who you would reject [Piper and McArthur] and one who you disagree greatly with [Spurgeon]) are probably my largest influences theologically (Goldsworthy being another). I'm a Calvinist, which most fundamentalists reject, and which is why I find your inclusion of Spurgeon and Machen so strange as they weren't fundamentalists because they died before fundamentalism. I'm not a dispensationalist, which is largely a requirement for many fundamentalist congregations (though I was a dispensationalist because my first major Christian influence was John MacArthur). Lastly, and though I don't find it unexpected given your rhetoric, you write off all Southern Baptist churches and members, of which I once was, without any consideration of the vast diversity in Southern Baptist churches, with some being very bad, many good, and others which are great. I feed bad that I will now stop watching your videos because of your uninformed views, though I do like the work you are doing in rejecting those who are truly wrong and heretical.
Agree.
Rick warren is a word of faith preacher, stay away. Ravi has many good biblical messages I cannot dismiss him. Plus there are even fundamentalists who are Arminianists. Yes there are preachers/teachers that I stay away from but in my own privacy with our LORD I can listen to a message from someone like piper....I just chew the meat and spit out the bones. I don’t agree with everything John MacArthur says but overall he is great. I do like RCSproul Sr.
He's putting too many things together in the title Neo evangelicals are much more a diverse group and it depends on denomination and church. They are churches that probably fall within any of that would not call themselves fundamentalist that are just as bible-believing and Bible method as a Fundamentalist in fact some of them broke off of what you would call the modernist but I called the main line I grew up in that kind of church. I spent a lot of time in a fundamental Church they are not all created equal either there are many that have more in common with the legalism of the Galatians then they do with Orthodox Christianity
Warren is a modernist heretic to the highest order.
@@thejamesbondshowwithkrazyk4581 He's made some comments from time to time that make me question whether or not he is a heretic or just very careless with his words, but that doesn't make him a modernist. What comments have you made to make you call him a modernist? Has he denied the virgin birth? Has he denied the inspiration of God's Word? Has he rejected the biblical cosmology? I've just never seen him say anything that would make him a modernist.
When you're speaking of Liberty University, "I know the people personally. I'm actually pretty well connected within the ranks of that." So You're pretty much in fellowship with them, but are calling out others for doing the same? Gotcha
Thats what happens, the hypocrisy. He need to go read Acts on how paul “fellowshiped” with greek philosophers to try to get them to see the gospel.
Hahahahaha..exactly
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Although we do need people out there helping fellow Christians discern false or incorrect teachings as well as helping with loving correction and rebuke, he does come across as somewhat hypocritical and not very well researched.
Another area I noticed, and hopefully someone can correct me if my observation is off, but although he condemns rock music because it is "of the world"(although the roots of rock are from black gospel music, but I digress), he seems to be a big football fan seeing the pictures and stickers on his wall...one of the teams being the Raiders who have some of the crassest and foul mouthed fans in the league(no, I'm not a Raiders "hater"). As a matter of fact, the NFL isn't exactly a family, wholesome product. Not sure if he's been to an NFL game before, but some of the things you see and hear is flat out disgusting, and not just if you're a Christian. Even by worldly standards, the things that go on at NFL games are appalling. I decided to stop going years ago and really have become more of a casual watcher in part because of it. The same can be said for college football(been to my fair share of ACC games).
The difference is, I'm not on a pedestal saying these things that are "of the world" are sinful and should be avoided if you area a "real Christian".
@@th6252 wow, thanks to you I learned something about the NFL. Interesting. Thanks for this. Do you feel Spencer says mostly opinions? Or facts routed in the bible about music to listen to my friend ?
All of yall mad at how he including ravi in the bad preachers list but look what he was involved in now that all these woman have come forward
That was a cool little sermon. I didn’t know the difference between Neo-evangelical and a modernism. I love your motto of ‘doctrine matters’ as it does matter. Hello from New Zealand.
May I recommend Dr. Andy Woods@ Sugar Land Bible Church. He is a Fundamentalist Bible Teacher. I've been so blessed with watching his teachings, which are all available on You Tube. I'm from the UK and very thankful to be attending a Reformed Baptist Church ( having been in the WOF for over 20 years!). No church is going to perfect, but if the Scripture is taught as being ALL sufficient for faith and practice, that is something to be very thankful for in these dark days I think the SOLA's of the Reformation are a good guide to determine whether a church is sound or not. Thank you for your ministry Spencer. Very necessary.
You positively know a man who rightly divides the Word of Truth.
When someone listens to a real annointed minister, you recognize the counterfeits more easily.
Your discernment gift is so incredible I’m thankful to come across your channel.
@@PixelAine1 Billy Graham is a false teacher. He compromised in the end. He even fellowshiped with the pope
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With due respect to your thoughts..I would like to say something that men of God such as Billy Graham , Ravi zacharias and some of the others that you mentioned had been a blessing to the lives of many people around the world and none of us is in a position or has the righ to judge what they had done....Talking about fellowship, they only spread the good news and did not compromised the gospel....It's not wrong to share the gospel with people or groups who are still weak in their faith in Christ or who doesn't know Him...the dangerous part are for those who think they are strong in their faith and they fellowship only amongst themselves but may dwindle because they feel they are righteous and perfect...
Sir, kindly please do a background check before you make such videos because you don't know how much they have worked and dedicated their lives in serving God..we should not try to be little them but rather appreciate for all the good things they had done for the glory of God..
Finally someone who has good discernment!! Yes indeed, he must do more research and get to know the ministry ,work and teaching of those men of God, I am naming: John Piper, Billy Graham and Ravi Zacharias. He put them in blacklist!!?? SMH!!
I am sure this guy is lacking good knowledge of the Gospel. -__-
Sadly Billy Graham succeeded at hoodwinking many especially you. He was a freemason and taught twisted theology. In his earlier years he preached many heretical things and if you didn't pay attention and compared it to scriptures you would be agreeing with him without knowing it. Graham was widely accepted by the world and the bible says The world will HATE YOU for His names sake .if the world loved him it's because he was of the world. He was a sellout freemason luciferian profane vessel.
@Heidi Pastore yep there is a channel Tamara Magdalene she exposed this luciferian sellout.
Steffinie, the Bible tells us to practice discernment and to test the spirits (of teachers and prophets) to see if they are from God. It's not a matter of us claiming to be someone, it's a matter of not being seduced by false doctrine and led into error.
Unfortunately theres an interview I watched with billy Graham saying everyone, weather conscious or not is apart of the body of christ and all religions will be welcomed into heaven. I must admit I was stunned by that statement. So I guess he was false in the end or backslide from the faith
This man is seriously what's wrong today with Christianity
One thing I’m a little confused about when it comes to the difference between fundamentalist and neo-evangelicals as defined in this video in regards to willingness to “fellowship” with other’s who aren’t in line with my theological views...I have straight up unbelievers as friends, friends who seem to be modernists, and maybe some even more liberal than a modernist, and even a few friends who are catholic...so does that make me a neo-evangelical? I love and care about them and want to be a light of Christ’s love in their life and share the true Gospel of the Bible with them but as defined in this video how would I do that as a fundamentalist if I refused to fellowship with anyone who doesn’t believe the same things as I do?
I believe he's talking about changing your views to fit their perspective. It goes back to the heart. Why are you hanging out with them? It sounds like you are doing what Christ calls us to do, shed His light so that they can see Him in us. Not our boastful efforts.
jfryer11 that makes sense. I just wasn’t totally clear on his perspective here bc it was sounding like he was saying being a fundamentalist means to only associate with other fundamentalists.
As for me, I’d consider myself still a new(er) believer, despite growing up in the church. Ironically enough God used a saddleback church campus (Rick warren’s church) to bring me back to Him after decades astray. It’s been about 3 years now that God’s been doing an overhaul on my heart but He used what He used and it started there and changed my life. My family has since moved on from there and I discovered on my own that I was craving real meat so I can feel myself migrating towards fundamentalism, if not there yet...but I’m still in that process and haven’t quite found the right church yet to align with my convictions (currently apart of a Gospel centered church but struggling with convictions over their worship not being Bible based, this video definitely enlightened me they’re neo-ev). All that to say, I have a few close friends who are still at Saddleback since that’s in my recent past and I love them dearly, breaking fellowship with them seems harsh. In my mind, how I’m interpreting this, that would be like saying to them “I’ve moved on in my walk with God so I’m done with you because your theological views aren’t deep enough for me to associate with you any longer.” When in actuality they just have no idea (nor did I at the time). But I seem to be misunderstanding what fellowship means in this context...
@@raesmith5303 You are right. Most people do not understand. I'm having a difficult time with my old church. The Lord has had me go back and explain to them the truth. They are having a hard time accepting it. They are bringing beer into the church. It's amazing what the devil will place into our minds as acceptable.
jfryer11 totally. I’ve only very recently become aware of the disturbing beliefs of Bethel and sharing this with my Christian friends and family and they’re just like “well I like the music”...very feelings based. But I will keep praying and keep sharing the truth with them! I couldn’t imagine breaking fellowship with them.
@@raesmith5303 Our job is to share the truth. The Lord is showing me they can either reject or embrace it. It is scary what is going on at Bethel.
So I have listened to ravi zacharias seroms to the mormons. And he was trying to save them.
But "separation from error" doesn't mean separation from the world, and while you might not be saying that, it certainly sounds like it. This video seems only one or two steps away from the Servus Christi guy who is convinced everyone is a heretic and that apostasy has infiltrated every parcel of Christian life... orthodox Christianity is certainly a hard thing to find in today's American culture, but we're not in the Tribulation just yet.
Yes, separate from modernistic, charismatic churches pastored by skinny-jean wearing, bearded "pastors," do NOT be equally yoked with them in Christian fellowship and ministry... but can we PLEASE stop sounding like paranoid hicks who denounce any and every single thing (the hick reference was not pointed at the guy in the video, just a general statement of how the enlightened crowd sees us Bible believing fundamentalists)? There are still doctrinally sound men and women out there; there are still pastors with sound theology, solid exegetical preachers who still teach the whole counsel of God... you just have to work a little harder to find them today.
UA-cam seems littered with "discernment" ministries, and I'm all for sound, Biblical teaching and practice of true BIBLICAL separation, as clearly spelled out in 1 Jn 2:15-17; 2 Cor 6:14-18 and especially 2 Jn 1:7-11... but there's a difference between Biblical separation and finding the devil behind every preacher/teacher with whom we disagree.
Finally, to the guy who did the video... if I've misunderstood your intentions then I sincerely ask your forgiveness.
I see this as a broad sweeping brush painting those that are not "fundamentalists" as people to avoid. I see the list and would love to see scriptural evidence for the neo evangelicals that paint them so badly. The same with Catholics. There are many "denominations" within the Catholics. Which ones are you talking about? All of them? What has Charles Stanley done specifically? Ravi fellowships with the Mormons?
You get the idea...
I agree with the Bethel/Hillsong assessments, along with Jakes and the word faith crowd along with the Osteen group.
Did you know Jesus said sell what you have and give to the poor in Luke 12:33?
@@HolySpiritIsSatanOfSinDethHell Not sure if you're replying to me, but I fail to see how that verse applies to the topic at hand. But to the verse itself, yes, I am very familiar with it, but it's also important to note that it was a parallel to Jesus' instructions to the rich young man in Matthew 19:21, and just as He meant it in Matthew, so He means in Luke... NOT a general rule to ALL Christians to own nothing and give away everything, but to closely guard our hearts against greed, and especially to the rich. Oh that today's health and wealth heretics would heed the Words of Christ.
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Im talking to everyone but Jesus said that even to his disciples in luke 12:33
Hi Spencer, then where does Jesus fall into your table?
This video reminds me of the Pharisees and Sadducees from Christ's preaching. The amount of judgment upon people on this video is the very reason why non-believers stay away from Christians.
Rey Glean I totally agree with you!!!
Thank you so much Spencer for breaking it down for me. I’ve been a Christian for 45 years, but I’ve become so confused about all of these titles to the point that I didn’t even know which category I belong to. Thank you for the beautiful explanation. I’m a Fundamentalist thank God! God bless!
John Piper is one of my go-to preachers. I believe that he desires to know God and is walking with God.
Now, I'm confused.
Me too! I found Piper credible. John M. is ok. I like Zacharias and Jordan Peterson (Just know Peterson isn't actually Christian but his teaching are sound in Biblical ideology).
No need to be confused. John Piper is a calvinists so the dispensationalists won't like him at all. He is a man of faith!
@@toolegittoquit_001 Hmmmm.. How so?
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I thought this was a soild pinpointing of a potential issue with Piper's teaching- an emphasis.
Do not worry, this man does not know what he is talking about and at no time did he base his points with the bible. They do not understand Calvinism or many points of what they speak.
helpful presentation, however, i think you are conflating fellowship with interacting. for example, i have never heard Ravi Z affirm or fellowship with mormons; he openly refutes mormonism. he engages with all types, but one would have to engage with all types to evangelize the true Word of God. also, people like Tim Tebow are not christian leaders, he is a celebrity that is also christian, don't think anyone looks to him for teachings. i think you have some very good and correct things to say, however, my perception is that you are too loose sometimes to the point of being dogmatic, so i always listen to you with great caution. being rigid doesn't necessarily mean being biblical.
Francis Chan is now on the way to Catholicism. He's one of my favorite pastors, but I don't know what's happening to these pastors.
Richard James Last check out the pastor Doug bachelor.
Richard James Last Francis Chan is a false teachers 1000000%
He *is* one of your favorite pastors, or he *was* one of you favorite pastors?
I stopped listening to him the moment I found out he fellowships with Todd White, I've been told that he was way off track before that, but I guess I'm not aware of that.
Check out Charles Lawson.
Drayton Thomas Jaymes Charles Lawson is one of my top 5, probably #2 on my list. I love him. He is a great pastor and Teacher!!!!!
Today's Fundamentalists..
Dr. John Mc Arthur
Justin Peters
Paul Washer
Voddie
Just to name a few.. There still are good teachers of the gospel today. God has His remnant
They are all Calvinists and teach false doctrine. McArthur, Washer, Peter’s, etc.
A lot of people who’ve never been used by God to lead someone to Christ are very critical of how God uses other people
Truth.
💯so true
Spencer your videos are very informative. Keep up the good work! The Lord is opening my eyes and I'm thankful.
Some of the names he mentioned are people who through their teachings I gave my life to Jesus, and since 2010 I’m completely a new person. my faith is in Jesus I was blind now I can see, I was living a sinful life but I’m now free hallelujah, Jesus broke my addiction but to see this guy criticising is so sad. He thinks he is smart but he has no connection with a living God. He is exposing others but but he is a lost soul too. Prayer to you.
Glad you're saved by Christ's sacrifice but you're wrong. All the names he exposed are fakes apart from Ravi Zaccharias who he hot wrong. Ravi only spoke at the Mormon convention to teach them the truth.
Which teachers do you like and listen to?
Look up on You Tube 'Paul Washer Famous Sermon'!!
Then get back to me.
False teachers are
Paula White- Joel & Victoria Osteen- Benny Hinn - Brian Huston - Carl Lentz - Creflo Dollar - Steven Furtick - Rick Warren - Bill Johnson - Andy Stanley - Billy Graham - Todd White - Steven Furtick
RUN FROM ALL THE ABOVE
Spencer, I find it interesting that you don't name one specific well-known current-day pastor or teacher that would fit in the Fundamentalist category as you have defined it. All your examples are dead!
Thats because, typically, if they are that popular... they are Neo. The most fundamental preachers are not famous.
I agree with Angelica >I don't know of any famous fundamentalists that are alive today. Being famous can be a two edged sword for both the good and the bad. I'm glad I came upon Bro Spencer's channel.
Probably afraid to debate
I was waiting on that too. Does it mean that a majority of Christians are following wrong teachings?
I grew up going to a Baptist church (east Tn) and then in highschool for about a year I went to a "nondenominational" church. Also, my father was catholic so on the weekends my father would occasionally take us to his church. My husband and I both prefer the "old style" Baptist churches where the pastor actually reads from the bible&discusses it and the worship music that's sung is from a book of hymns.
I use J Vernon McGee - Thru the Bible for personal Bible study - What group would he belong to. Thanks
Whats the point if this video ?
hating one and love the other one ?
So, we must separate our self from them? and not interact with them? and let them perish ?
where is love in this 20 mins of video ?
where is compassion ?
where is mercy ?
i am just saying..
Where is the word “truth” in your comment?
@@spencersmith312 and where is the spirit of Christ in you bro? The Jesus I worship sat with thr scum of the society and brought them to salvation, if the fundamentalists had their way, they would never venture out of their white washed buildings to evangelize. I have seen separation all my life, it is a religious practice among the priestly caste of Hindus to separate themselves and not interact with lower caste of Hindus. This is nothing but neo-brahminism masquerading as Christianity. That question you asked this person reeks of spiritual pride. Very sorry to say this.
kiran kumar I have listened to Spencer’s videos off and on for a while now, and I was shocked by the attitude in this one. Truth is if upmost importance, But I would point out that one of the guys you aren’t too fond of, the late Ravi Zacharias, was adept at communicating some very hard hitting, convicting, and uncomfortable truths, and doing it with an incredible amount of gentleness and love. Justin peters is another example of someone who can communicate some very difficult to swallow truths, Yet do it in love. I’ve seen you do it Spencer, I know you can.
So are you saying that Fundamentalists are the only ones who are true believers? I am a member of a very conservative Baptist church that falls between neo-evangelicals and fundamentalism. I believe in the virgin birth, that Jesus was fully God and fully man, that He was crucified, died and was resurrected 3 days later. I do listen to some of the pastors in the neo group. Does that make me a heretic? As far as music, I love the old hymns but I also enjoy the music and positivity of K-LOVE and Air 1. There is no such thing as Christian music...it is the lyrics that make it secular or Christian. What would you think if someone took the music of a hymn such as The Old Rugged Cross and changed the lyrics to secular ones? I just feel like you are being very judgmental and close minded in your views. I totally agree with your modernist views. I am just not sure how you can say a mighty man of God like Billy Graham has two big strikes against him. He preached the gospel and only the gospel. Your example was having Johnny Cash sing at one of his revivals. Do you really believe that we are supposed to only fellowship with like minded believers ? Where will people hear the truth? It is no wonder that so many people are turned off by believers when we are so judgmental of not only them, but of other believers. I believe that there are non negotiables (pro life, pro Biblical marriage, pro Israel, virgin birth, the trinity, crucifixion and resurrection, we are all sinners saved by grace, Jesus is the only way to heaven, etc). Where I have a problem is when we get caught up in things that will not make a difference in our eternities (musical instruments, music, etc). It just makes me sad that your vision is so critical. In closing, I believe God is the only one who knows our hearts and our motives. I am thankful that He is the Judge and not sinful human beings.
@@kaystambaugh5211 Yep!!! Let's not talk about where some of the tunes in the old hymns came from....that might just be somewhat embarassing!!
I'm confused if the lyrics in Christian rock or rap is dead on Gospel why is that wrong?
If a guitar has a distortion pedal hooked to it it can't be Christian come on.
I 100% agree with you. Christian lyrics are Christian lyrics, and it doesn’t matter at all what the instruments or sounds are. It just matters if it glorifies God. I don’t believe that this channel is a good source of information, and he seems very biased towards anything outside of his personal habits and opinions.
Have to agree, but steer clear of NAR music (bethel hill song). Beautiful eulogy has Rock solid gospel spit in lyrics, not just some random positive music other CHH rappers spill. I used to love Andy Mineo but his newest album has more clear satanic symbolism, not sure why he’s trying to confuse.
it's spirit versus flesh. rock and rap have a worldly origin that is nowhere near the things of God. adding christian lyrics to that kind of music is like dipping a dog turd in chocolate and eating it. yes, it may look (sound) like something good, but really, it's tainted, much like christian rock and rap is tainted by worldliness.
Yo Boi Smitty is worship with the lyre and shophar the only acceptable music? Piano, drums, you in the pipe organ and string instrument have a long history of secular usage and influence. I’m not sure of any instrument currently in use that was designed by God…
I think he means fleshy music be it rap or rock or whatever. Music that just draws people because it's just familiar and catchy and not centred on the Gospel and truth.
I want to know what you think about Bill Wiese?
What are your thoughts about the American prophets Jeremiah Johnson, James Goll, Johnathan Stidham and Tracey Allan Cooke?
Great informative video Spencer! It would of been great to build upon the video with fundamentalist church options and university options.
When D.L. Moody was alive he gave money to two Catholic churches in Connecticut. In 1896 he preached at the LDS tabernacle in Salt Lake City. It is ironic that a lot of fundamentalists praise Moody.
Americans hate walking away from people that they idolize......
@@carlmorde7901 I am a Canadian. I do not know if that makes me more objective. Moody certainly created bonds of goodwill between Americans and the British Isles. Unfortunately he supported two seminaries that quickly went liberal after he died. I am quite certain that when he preached at the Mormon tabernacle there would have been people that needed to hear the gospel. It could be that in the providence of God that some people might have come to know Christ when he did that. But to preach the gospel in a Mormon setting under the sponsorship of the LDS is going too far. Moody practiced ecumenical evangelism sixty years before Billy Graham did. For what's worth John McArthur is no fan of Moody.
He gave them money, so what? We shouldn't trust he was a real Christian? Come on. Do you really bealive that in heaven there will only be evangelicals??
Many catholics could be save despite of being catholics, and that's no heresy or nonsense, it's not about the level of your theology or doing this or those things, it's about putting your faith in Jesus Christ.
Of course that's no licence to be ignorant about the truth of the gospel.
Maybe moody helped many people in that catholic churches with the true gospel. And you are criticizing him? Wow
@@roberteaston6413 I see your point but tell me, if you had the opportunity to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ in a Mosque or in a Jewish temple, u wouldn't do it? Will u be coursed or something like that?
I think it's easy to be legalistics about the gospel, Paul didn't seem to care where he was when it came to preaching Jesus.
By the way by no means I am advocating for ecumenism.
@@davidolivares247 You may have a point. Relax. Judge will judge fairly. Of course there will be many saved people theology was suspect.....but Jesus did warn against deception....and so we have to strive to stick to Biblical truth.....we live in a time with so much knowledge that it is becoming more difficult to plead ignorance..... Spencer is warning about deception....and we should investigate...
John MacArthur and Justin Peters are two big names I dont see on your list. Although I'd categorize them under Fundamentalist.
I missed them too. It would have been interesting to see where he would've placed them
Both great teachers
They are Reformed in their theology, so I don't think he wanted to share a label with them......
Paul Washer
R.C.Sproul, Michael Horton...
You can’t break it down this simply. There’s plenty of very very good Evangelicals and plenty of whacked Fundamentalists. My church would be considered Evangelical and my pastor would never share a pulpit with a modernist. JD Greear is an evangelical. I challenge you to do a “I Listened to Five Hours Of JDGreear”. JD is way more solid than Furtick. The biggest error of Fundamentalists is legalism .....teaching performance based gospel. It can screw you up for life.
We live in scary times, thats for sure. The devil pulls us to one side but at the same time we have to make sure to not overcompensate and fall to a different error on the opposite side.
In the late 1920s, Jones, like Billy Sunday (who was an Iowan), accepted contributions for his evangelistic campaigns from the Ku Klux Klan. Jones also supported members of the Klan, notably his friend, Alabama Governor Bibb Graves, for political office. Although Jones rejected lawlessness and lynching, he sympathized with the Klan's professed endorsement of religious orthodoxy, Prohibition, and opposition to the teaching of evolution as fact. Racial segregation per se was hardly an issue among whites in 1920s Alabama because at the time both supporters and a majority of white opponents of the Klan were segregationists.
Nevertheless, Jones remained a segregationist into the era of the Civil Rights Movement, when he was in his 70s. There are few references to race in Jones's sermons and chapel messages until the late 1950s, but in a 1960 radio address, Jones declared that God had been the author of segregation and that opposition to segregation was opposition to God. Jones's health began to fail before the integration of neighboring Furman University in 1965, and he did not live to see the abandonment of segregation, six years later, at Bob Jones University.
An interesting video to be sure. While I agree with most of what Spencer Smith says, there is one thing that really sticks out to me that I disagree with, and that is Charles Stanley. Although Spencer says Stanley is a sound teacher and loves the Lord, I have to disagree. Back in 1990 Charles Stanley wrote a book called "Eternal Security: Can You Be Sure?" It is still in print today. In this book Stanley teaches that once a person is saved (by asking Jesus into their heart, raising their hand during an altar call, etc) they can live any way they want. They can even go so far as to leave the Christian faith altogether, live a life patterned by sin, die in that condition, and still go to heaven. He teaches that the "Outer Darkness" spoken of in Scripture, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth is actually heaven, albeit a small corner of heaven, but nonetheless still heaven. I know the man who was Charles Stanley's personal assistant for several decades. I asked him recently if Stanley still holds to these teachings that he put forth in his book and in many of his sermons and teachings. His answer was, "Oh yes, absolutely." To be honest, I am not even sure Charles Stanley is even saved. I hope he is, but I am not convinced he is, as he is a false teacher who puts forth a different gospel.
dude while I agree with alot of these things, I feel like I saw you put people, that have nothing wrong with their theology, in different catagories because of a friend they had in the modernist catagories. like I feel like this video divides incorrectly.
Quentin Myers Considering he says he has friends In the same fields but doesn’t call himself out.... I think it’s time I stop watching his videos. He is all for calling out others but hasn’t mentioned the scriptural evidence for why each are classified as they are.
@@Tact012 where can I get that information?
@@Tact012 i agree he should be giving Scriptural reference for this video. But here's a couple that may help. We are the salt of the earth, if we lose our saltiness, how can we be made so again? If we compromise in any way with the world, even just to get people to Christ, we in turn lose some of our saltiness( purity from the world). Also, the Word says we are a peculiar people and set apart for Christ. Same thing. If we compromise the fundamentals of the faith and borrow worldly practices/ideas to win ppl, we lose our peculiarness. Also, we aren't to have fellowship with the works of darkness. This doesn't mean don't share the Gospel with sinners, this means not linking up or agreeing in any way with those who mix the truth in with lies and use carnal means to get people to Christ or to their church.
I've listened to JD Greer for years on my drive to work. I don't understand what places him in the modern. Please expand as I've found his teachings on the radio to be very Biblical so what is he doing that makes you say this?
You are an answer to my prayers. I came out of evangelical christian church which I left because of the witchcraft in the church. It has taken me years to walk out of all the "junk" that had come into my life. I still don't have a church family simply because I have not found anyone that really wants to follow the Bible (as it was written), not one these off the wall translations. Until I found your UA-cam channel I was beginning to think there were no real believers left. I hope to be able to purchase your book on Good and Evil soon and I will continue to watch your videos. Thank you for staying true to God's Word.
Hi Spencer, our son is doing 8th Grade with Liberty University via their online program. Now I am bumped to find out about this. We are definitely in the fundamentalist category.
Do you know a school with Online Highschool program that is more on the fundamental side in their educational approach?
Where do you put R C Sproul, Steve Lawson, Paul Washer, John MacArthur?
titus dinkar And Alistair Begg and Sinclair Ferguson?
And David Wilkerson?
Southern Bap
Paul Washer
titus dinkar MacArthur is a fundamental Baptist
every good but i would put Steve Furic elevate church, wirh the modernist ( he is far wacky
todd boucher Furtic loves n wants to be like TDJakes too
lololololollololololol
todd boucher *WARNING* Spencer deletes some threads who disagree with him, conversations do nor reflect the actual dialogue regarding his content.
Upside Down would he disagree with this comment thread though?
Steve is the devil
the way he pushed catholic all the way in the corner 😂😂😂😂
lol😂
Nneka's Beauty Corner wouldn’t laugh they are doing very well out of all this division
@@madcow9421 They are certainly the largest of the denominational groups by far
@@Sockens They worship idols and revere Mary. They aren't christian.
no one can judge except God.. much better if we pray each other..help each other...
Spurgeon is still one of my favorites . I love his quotes and reading his literature
At 16:28, please elaborate on the theological heresy committed by the people and Liberty U that you have on the board at that time. I agree with you on the Bill Johnson's, NAR, WOF, Furtick and some of those guys but interested in what heresies you say of the people written down at 16:28 in your video.
Hey.. you missed Jesus.! He had fellowship with sinners. Also include Him in one of the category and enlighten us please.
Hey friend, you have a good point all though I think you are wrong. Indeed Jesus did have fellowship with sinners and we ought to also, but I believe you are confusing everyday fellowship with church fellowship. We are directed in the bible how to conduct church, and in that we are told to separate from false teachers aka the modernist in this video. Sure, every christian has some minor differences in theology such as Calvinism vs Arminianism, or Baptism, etc. But we must agree on the essential elementary fundamental basics of the Bible, which the Modernist twist, therefor we must separate and not do church with them. That is where the Neo-evangelicals screw up. I love and cherish many Neo-evangelicals such as John Piper, Billy Graham, Ravi Zacharias, David Jeremiah, and Charles Stanley, although i think they are very wrong. God Bless.
Christ didn't have theological fellowship with the sinners.
It would help to have names of some fundamentalists who are alive today. Are there none you can use as examples?
Robert Breaker and Gene Kim are two that I can think of. They both have UA-cam channels.
Mate, that was a bunch of light weight fluff with no meat at all. Just your own personal opinions. And I come from what you would label a Fundamental church, but at least there we were taught to get to the depths of an issue so we understood it. I'm looking forward to our eternity where there are NO labels or divisions. There will be no baptists, brethren, methodists, or any type of denominations there, only His people.
❤❤ truly we will all be at peace with each other and him when that happens.
Amen Pastor .Your exegesis is based on very sound and correct biblical principles . My late father ( Baptist pastor )
was frequently castigated for preaching at length about sin , righteousness and judgement etc ..His favourite authors were Spurgeon , Graeme Scroggie , JC Ryle , Tozer , Whitfield etc ...... I bravely follow the footsteps of my father but the odds are stacked against us . Please pray for me .
The odds are not stacked against you.
If you have God and no one else the odds are stacked in your favor.
I am learning more about Southern Baptists that concerns me. Our SB church is more conservative than the convention but I have a growing concern and don’t know of any local option of a fundamentalist church.
I do know some Southern Baptists in our area, but they professed that they don't compromised with the larger groups. They even fellowshipped with us in theological and biblical studying.
I hope the Southern BC may reclaim true believers from these new growing modernists and neo churches.
don’t think jospeh prince is a modernist, although he preaches prosperity gospel in the word of faith movement
Chris Rosebrough demonstrated that Furtick was preaching modalism recently.
unfortunately, Chris Rosebrough is another one who has gone off the rails
Justin Priest He’s a Lutheran, so he believes in Baptismal regeneration, statues of Jesus, etc.
Lutherans believe in Baptism as commanded by Christ and that Baptism is effective due to faith in Christ/God and His Word. They thus believe that people are saved by God/Christ's actions through faith and not works (even insistence on "right/proper" human understanding of how God works in this case might be considered to be a "work"). Thus the important thing is to believe, trust, and obey God's Word...which Lutherans* do (*LCMS, WELS, and some others do at least. ELCA does not and probably should no longer be considered Lutheran or fully Christian)
Have no idea what statues are being referred to as I haven't encountered that. Are there crucifixes? Sure as they are meant to remind people of Christ and salvation through Him alone, but Lutherans don't worship or pray to statues or any other idols.
I'll add that Lutherans such as LCMS and WELS would be best considered as fundamentalist as described. They do not fellowship with those who openly compromise or those who fellowship with others that compromise.
Chris rosebourough preaches in a priest uniform with a big statue of Jesus right behind him!
What about John MacArthur, Paul Washer, Voddie Buaham, Justin Peters. I find them to be very word based preachers. Where do they fall then?
I agree. I think Spencer isn’t Calvinist hence they aren’t included.
@@Ruby-22 so what's a calvinist and what is Spencer?
@@John14vs6_ Spencer is an independant Baptist, not all Baptists are Calvinists. Calvinists - also called Reformed - is a word after John Calvin who laid out the doctrine of grace. It’s to do with doctrines like election etc. All those preachers you mentioned are very good indeed and I would put them under the fundamentalists column or just make another column alongside and called it “reformed” because they usually don’t compromise and stand firm - also for a Baptist or generally speaking, fundamentalists mean “fundamental baptists” and they are very firm/strict from what I understand (I don’t know them much I’m not in the US).
@@Ruby-22 thank you very much for clearing this up. Yes I used to be involved in the Word of faith movement and prosperity gospel churches until in 2020 due to covid I stayed at home and studied my Bible for myself and God opened my eyes to know the truth and that's when I left all those wrong doctrine churches who preaching half truths. I was totally deceived. I'm here in south Africa johannesburg and yet to find a very good word based church.
@@John14vs6_ I totally understand, I came a long way just like you, I was in a Charismatic - Word of faith - Apostolic African church, the pastor at the top functioned like a guru and within the last two years the Lord opened my eyes. It’s a long process to unlearn some things due to all the brainwashing but by the grace of God and thanks to people like those you mentioned I am being renewed. There’s so much deception out there but the Lord will call his true children out of it 🙏. To find a good Bible-based church I’d say look for a Baptist or Reformed or Presbyterian that don’t ask for tithes. I know in South Africa there’s lots of false preachers but by God’s Grace you should find one. It doesn’t have to be large or popular - the more it is, the risk is the less godly it will be…
Great video. I’ve listened to these people. Some of them I immediately recognize as blatantly wrong. But others just leave me feeling that something is off even though they sound good. Now you have clarified it and I thank you for that.
Hey what do think of, or how would you categorize John Macarthur, and also DTBM?
I never have any negative comments on your videos and I appreciate this one too, but why did yo u not give a current list of fundamentalists? Spurgeon and these others (most of whom I have never heard of were not helpful to me). Who are the modern day fundamentalists we might listen to? Thanks.
trish S *WARNING* Spencer deletes some threads who disagree with him, conversations do nor reflect the actual dialogue regarding his content.
Separation from error is different from separation from people.
What category does John Ankerberg fit in too ?. Thank you
He’s great
Ask God and read the Bible to find out for yourself.
AMERICO DILORETTO - very biblically accurate. We are to rightly divide the scriptures and he does a great job. I hope that helps and blesses you.
So what group would Jesus be in? Follow up question what group would Jesus fellowship with? Finally question, if fundamentalist have the proper theology, method, and fellowship do they remind you of someone in the gospels (Pharisees, Sadducees, and Teachers of the law). The trouble with measuring ourselves up with ism's is that we stop measuring ourselves up with Christ.
Modernism just sounds like new age
I like what the expression "Biblical methodology" conveys: using methods approved by the Bible. So, what is the difference between using beer/rock and roll, rap, etc. and having a music band in the worship service? Perhaps both methods are not authorized by the Bible? Let's use "Biblical methodology" when we worship God: Ephesians 5:18-21, Colossians 3:16-17, Mark 14:26, Acts 16:25.
Spence, I’m kinda curious where you’d put Christian youtubers like Paul & Morgan, Girl Defined, Rachel Stephens, watchman on the wall 88, Allen parr and Dr. Gene Kim?!😯
Don't watch Rachel Stephens, she contradicts especially on the bible version issue Gene Kim who I would most definitely recommend. I would also recommend Charles Lawson, John Davis, and Andrew Sluder (for the most part).
I don't entirely understand what all this means, but I feel like I'm mixed between them all...
I don't agree that christian rock and roll is bad, or christian rap.. how can it be bad?
idk... my whole life my family has been baptists, and I've been in and out of baptists churches, and some pentecostal churches... and I cannot say that I really enjoy either of them. The congregations of both are sweet people, but they have that belief of the ONE right way, and they don't have fun worshipping Jesus Christ how I want to worship Him. The only churches that I've been to that I actually love and feel the emotions and love are non-denominational churches. They play the good music that we all know and love, not boring old people hymns... and so much other stuff that I love.
Agree 💯 and thank you for having the backbone to say it! Much needed in this world of false teachers!
Joseph Prince is a modernist? Would somebody please tell me what is wrong in his teachings?
I would say John Macarthur, Paul Washer and Vodie Bachaum are fundamentalist.
John MacArthur is neo Evangelical, together with his best bud John Piper.
Paul Washer has sadly made some missteps lately, I hope he'll turn back on those.
Vodie Bachaum seems solid, let's pray he'll stay solid.
Thomas I don’t think MacArthur and washer are neo evangelical. They lean more towards fundamentalists.
Stones thrown at Washer and MacArthur, no evidence provided. I smell KJVO.
I don't hear much about Andres Bisonni for some reason, have an opinion on him Spencer? he seems really big on faith healing / Holy Spirit experience.
Hi Spencer. Thank you for your discernment and knowledge. I have been praying for clarity and your videos helped me tremendously...I especiaĺly loved 3rd Adam!!!! Thank you.
I'm a conservative, evangelical, non-Calvinist, fundamentalist, that grew up non-denominational, spent several years in IFB churches, went to both PCC and BJU, and currently lead worship at a conservative Southern Baptist church. I feel like I know everybody!
Spencer, just wanted to say THANK YOU so much for these videos. ✝️
Beauty Geek only comment spencer hearted....🤔🤔🥰😂😂
Hahahahaha
Where is John Macarthur Spencer???????
Sadly, it's very hard to find a good fundamental church these days. Aloha
Indeed.
Temple Baptist Church...Pastor Charles Lawson. His sermons are a rich blessing. I live in the UK but watch on UA-cam.
I recently took my son out of public school and he will start this next year at a private school “Grace christian”. What’s the best way to know if they are fundamentalist or Neo- Ev?
Also my son and I only listen to K-Love radio station who play Lauren Daigle, casting crowns and so forth thinking it was great music for him. But now that my eyes have been open to the truth , my question is any of those artists on there legit ?
Thank you for your time
Can I have your thoughts on Geno Jennings? My father is learning his teachings and I wanted to know your thoughts on this man.
Could you please do a video on Catholicism? I was raised baptist and went to a catholic high school and didn’t have any issues but would love to hear your take on it!
Thank you!! This was a very informative & helpful video. I am glad to know I'm a fundamentalist, though I'm one of those oneness pentecostals you mentioned.
How many churches obey head covering practices though? I struggle to find any in Essex in England
I found your channel a few weeks ago and I have learned so much but also have become very confused.. I get what you have to say about worship music, especially Bethel, Jesus Culture, Hillsong, etc. but I do have some teachers that I love to listen to and am wondering about them as well. They would include: Charles Lawson (Still Waters here on UA-cam), John MacArthur, John Piper, Wretched, Ray Comfort, Justin Peters and a little Voddie Bauchaum. I used to really enjoy Zacharias and loved Francis Chan but have recently been very disappointed in their teaching so I no longer follow along with either one of them.. I know that none of the people I listed above are perfect by any sense but I do feel as if they love the Lord and stand up for a lot of issues that we should be standing for. What are your views on these preachers? Are any of them inherently false in your opinion?
I can't answer for Missionary Smith but if I may share some insights. John MacArthur - biblical, but has some teachings that are controversial, especially about the mark of the beast. John Piper - biblical, but is sometimes loose in associating with bad theologians. Wretched - biblical, but sometimes is somewhat annoying when using sarcasm. Ray Comfort, Justin Peters, Vodie Baucham - biblical, don't know of any issues regarding them.
Love Charles Lawson. He’s from the Old School.
Charles Lawson 👍
whats wrong with ray comfort and todd friel?
+kyliegomez - MacArthur is a heretic, John Piper is swinging towards Catholicism, Todd Friel is a mouthpiece for MacArthur and I love Justin Peters but he refuses to expose MacArthur's heresies, and THAT is his Ministry!! Zacharias is DANGEROUS - he's into the "trans" movement and the rest and sponsors people on his "tours" who also do.One said that Jesus had "Body Dysphoria" --OH PLEASE!! Jesus is clear - BEWARE of false teachers.. DO some research....We're to have an use discernment. Charles Lawson is the only TRUE Pastor here.
Could you please go into more detail about which denominations fall into which of these three categories? I’m having a hard time figuring out where Calvinists, neo-calvinists, Methodists, Baptists, etc fall into.
Ready to Harvest podcast is excellent
Loving your videos brother. I listen to you, John MacArthur, Charles Lawson, justin peters and Carter Colen. What are you views on these man?
Thank you for that
Check out Marco Quintana of Devore Truth church, FBC fellowship bible chapel, and Moriel ministries
I would recommend to watch Servus Christi latest posting called Bridge Builders... it is two hour long but really worth the watch. It exposes John McArthur and his ilk, with proof, the hypocrisy they spew forth. Blessing and peace.
@@DallyLaw oh wow! All this time I been watching his sermons. I thought some of hisn teaching was pretty good. I will definitely check out this video. Thanks man
@@mehdihatemi5981 Charles Lawson is a great preacher not just of the word but of warning his congregation of the evils in this modern world. A Watchman on the wall for today.
From Bob Jones sermon and tract
[Acts 17:26 Is Crucial and Clear: God Fixed the Bounds of the Races’ Inhabitations]
and hath determined the times before appointed, and
the bounds of their habitation.” Now, what does that say? That says that God
Almighty fixed the bounds of their habitation. That is as clear as anything
that was ever said.
If you have a legal document and there is a paragraph
that is clear and you come across an obscure passage, you interpret the obscure
passage in the light of the clear passage. Any lawyer will tell you that. If he
has a case in court, he will say, “Now, gentlemen of the jury, here is what
this paragraph says. This one paragraph is not quite clear, but this other
paragraph is clear; and we will interpret this in the light of the clear
passage.”
So who is left according to this dude everything is somewhat a lil off. All I know is christ fellowship with sinners .. there is NO impact without contact we can change the the teachings of some of these confused brothers with fellowship with one another .. borrowing false Doctrine from somebody is not right I agree but without talking to them and fellowshipping how are we supposed to make a positive correct impact on these people who are confused on their teaching I'm not sure about this guy bude talking
Same
The Bible says Jesus ate with them, but He didn't fall into their way of sinning, and He always expected change from them. We are also told that if someone claims to be a believer, yet commits sins (some listed in 1 Corinthians 5:11), we are to avoid associating with them. Yet, we are also told not to judge our brothers, or God will judge us by that same standard. The truth is in God's Word, and any group that teaches anything against it, is to be avoided. However, Thank God I am not the judge, and I am not the one who decides who will be in Heaven, because many will be shocked who will be there, and who will not.
Did Christ agree with the unbelief of the sinners he met with? Was he in support of their wicked ways? NO...He called them out!
Hiii, just a young growing girly here. How do you define fellowship? Like what exactly does that mean? Like be friends with them? Worship with them? Bible study with them? Just talk to them as an acquaintance?
Ooh also, John Piper. I like him a lot. His preaching I really enjoy. Is he in the Neo-evangelical section only because he will pray with a modernist? Or does he also use modernist methods? If so, what ones? Just curious because I've never noticed but that could just be my own way of seeing things that maybe I need to rethink!
Modernist views are so not okay. I definitely believe that. I'm currently in between Fundamentalist & Neo-Ev. Just because there are some modern day Christian music that I don't think is bad. Christian rap.. I don't think that's bad either (as long as there are no cuss words or false messages in it) I just personally don't like rap music at all so I won't listen to it. I know I just need to educate myself on it all more so I'm not sitting on the fence between the two
Andrea Last yea I’m kinda on the cusp of fundemtalist and neo evangelical as well!
Fellowship meaning that you partner up with someone who is on the same page when it comes to doctrine!
Spencer, I have been watching your videos with intense interest. I have a couple of questions that I would like your input on. I am a fundamental Christian living out in the country in Oklahoma. It is very hard to find a Bible preaching fellowship where I live. Plus my husband doesn’t really see the need to go looking elsewhere. We attend a small United Methodist church here with a female pastor. She is a nice woman, but I cannot get away from what God’s word says about that. Any suggestions for praying about this situation? My other question is about fellowship outside of the church arena. I volunteer weekly at our local soup kitchen. It is run by the Roman Catholic Church. I was raised a catholic so I know how far it is from Christianity. I am torn about continuing to work with them. It isn’t church, but am I giving tacit agreement to their beliefs?
When visiting family in California, I went to a Jesus culture service. I really don’t know how they can call themselves Christian. It’s entertainment at best, with a vacuous pep talk that didn’t even mention Jesus. Pretty bad.
Why don't you fellowship with your husband and kids in your own home and perhaps invite other people to join you? That is what the early church did; u do not need a building called "church" to fellowship.
Thank you for this explanation. It helps me a lot. Question is what is New Calvinism? I’ve read this book by Josh Buise. The book is interesting but I would like to find out from you what this new movement is. Thank you so much
Since myt dad told me to watch the Third Adam, I've been watching your other videos, awesome stuff my brother.
I agree wholeheartedly. Amen. What are your thoughts on the notorious Ray Comfort?