G Long, I agree -- in part. I just got back from helping with a large initiative of my church. Each year we donate our unwanted furniture and housewares to international students coming to attend the college here in my town from countries around the world -- most from China and India. Over a hundred students come to our church and receive free furniture for their apartments here. We're happy to help them because the love of God in Jesus has been given to us freely, no strings attached, and we are compelled by His love to love others. Those we help don't have to join or even attend our church. It's a gift.
Thanks so much for your video. It really helped to condense the ideas for me. I'm writing a comparative essay about fundamentalism in the United States in the 20s vs Iran in the 60-70s. I'm taking a most different systems design; how can these two very different countries experience such a similar emergence of fundamentalism? :)
Fundamentalism emerges at a time of perceived crisis of a clash with modernity. Islamic Fundamentalism has similar origins to Christian Fundamentalism. Both originated in the late 19th century. Islamic Fundamentalism is tied up with anti-colonialism, though, that is one key difference, but they aren't identical- there were anti-colonialists that gravitated towards Marxism instead of religion, for instance.
Well done. I am an atheist. I was raised in the Methodist Church, with my very devout mother dragging the kids to church every Sunday morning. My father was an atheist. So, there was an interesting dynamic in the family. But, on my own, I just never could believe in anything supernatural, spirits, God, angels, demons, an afterlife of heaven or hell. It has always seemed like make believe to me, like Disney Land on steroids. I just don't understand how anyone actually believes in these things. But, I would like to understand. So, a historical perspective helps put things into context.
Hey, I know this vid is over a year old but maybe you'll see this. I think the lecture was well-rounded and informative. I'm in grad school right now, M.A. in religion. I have some questions for you. I think you're right to divide the participants in this discussion into three categories: the one who changes liberally, the one who resists strongly, and the one who preserves the faith with modification. The issue there though is that very often categories 2 and 3 can overlap. Genesis, in its historical context, displays not only a geocentric cosmology but also much more a-scientific views, such as a flat earth with a dome-shaped solid sky in which the stars are placed, with waters above the sky and below the earth. However, I've yet to meet a "fundamentalist" who believes in a flat earth. So the tricky part is, even those who "stick" to scripture, very often are actually doing what they accuse category #3 of doing. One other issue for me is when you say Darwinism does not pose a problem for Christianity. Marsden in "Understanding Fundamentalism" writes about Charles Hodge of Princeton Theological Seminary who wrote in 1874 that Darwinism is antithetical to teleology, which is certainly the case. I'd be interested in hearing why you think this wouldn't be the case?
At 26 min you mention people seeing even desegregation as part of 'the decline'. I am glad you made clear that you disagree. I would not be so accepting of their claim that their opposition to desegregation was to do with 'the decline'. That is a pathetic excuse, no matter how flamboyant and colourful it sounds in a Southern accent, and no matter how many of them will nod along with it, trying to make it sound convincing. But the reality, I am pretty sure, given the hatred for non-whites, was that they were just trying to hide their hatred behind that pathetic excuse.
Neo-Evangelicalism was sort of a soft-pedaled, rebranded Fundamentalism that was less reactionary. They weren't so much concerned with social justice (Billy Graham was notorious for rejecting the civil rights movement) as they were concerned about not automatically alienating the vast majority of the population, so they could "save souls". That meant ingratiating themselves to power and prestige, something that Fundamentalists had given up as hopeless.
I like history and these kinds of videos. The only thing ,being an avid reader and practicing liberal, i disagrees slightly with the view of the super natural. A separation between the super natural and rational logical narratives are made for the purpose of the literal context. I feel whether we decide to have faith and believe in miracles is left up to the student .Most of the teachers mention this in the introduction to the study.. Of course most don't follow it that is an interesting part as well. Knowing the biases of the source. I mainly like Historical Source Criticism and try to get Christians interested in it That's when the trouble starts. Today with so many agnostic/atheist biblical scholars this principal is muddied. You and i know history must be taught and understood by tossing out our biases and letting the source speak. This first principal is so neglected today. Many are not even await of it. .
Good expose on fundamentalism. I grew up catholic and have always been confused by all the sects denominations and Christian groups. I’m Lutheran now. Similar to Neill on the rollercoaster.
It’s so sad that we even have all this complicated descriptive discussion over Christians. There shouldn’t be so many differences. Jesus wanted us to all be ONE! Col 3:15, John 17:21, John 10:16, Eph 4:3, Matt 16:18, Acts 4:32, 1 Tim 3:15, Eph 3:10, John 6:54, Eph 4:5
After two thousand years of translations commentaries exhaustive concordances and given all the different environments on earth we should expect many difference and embrace the differences as long as the essentials remain intact. We should respect the differences and learn to take the best of each . Hard to do . It is a test of patients . Look at all the wars in the Old Testament even within Judaism the split into two kingdoms the murmuring Behind the scenes there were schisms within the Priest Hood . These things have caused me to dig deeper, that could be one reason the bible is such is a fickle. God uses the dirty hands of Men and the corrupt minds to inspire us, the imperfection may be the supreme catalyst . It brings understanding in a different way.
Christianity is more divided than any other religion. Everyone with an opinion develop some sort of way of seeing the Bible and distorts the truth that it points to, which is to show Mercy forgive and have loving kindness for everybody without judgment that's what Jesus actually taught. We received the forgiveness of sins in the name of Jesus and we live according to the love that's in our hearts poured out by the Holy Spirit and there's no more to it than that all of these charts and graphs and what people do is meaningless. In all of these different ways of looking at the Bible and interpreting it in all the crazy things that people have come up with all equates to self-righteousness and judgment for others.
What I mean is, I am sorry if you had a bad experience with religious people, or some how came to the conclusion that all religion is bad. I believe some religions are unhealthy and false, but obviously I am a Christian, and I believe my faith is true, and that it promotes good in the world, over all.
Hello Chris Rose ! I have to do presentation about christian fundamentalism at my collage on coming May. Its about 30minutes. so can you tell me key points that I have to present in my presentation or you can draw a draft for me. Because I have no idea about Christian fundamentalism. I hope you will reply me soon. This is my email address. ven.w.nandarathana@gmail.com.
Anti-intellectualism, at 27 min: Yes, that idea, prevalent among the uneducated who find themselves being rightly ridiculed by people more intelligent and better educated than themselves, that in reality there is an inversion such that the ignorant are the ones who understand the truth and all the hated clever folks with their degrees and stuff are truly dumb. As you say, they latch onto the idea that the spirit should guide them, and all that education does is dull one's contact therewith. Well, it's a great way of making ignorant people feel good about themselves. But it is a tragedy in a technologically advanced nation to give house-room to such stupidity. It implies that intelligent and educated people are unspiritual, when in fact they labour fewer prejudices, and are better judges of the sanity and rationality of politicians and preachers who seek to lead.
Ok.. you lost me when you began to define Christians as Protestant. Catholics and Protestants, that's all you see, really? And sadly most Believers buy into this narrative. Protestants are merely Roman Catholics with a few less calories, if you will. They all still believe in a works based religion. GOD plus if I persevere in ' good works' til the end then maybe I'm probably going to get into heaven! Good luck with that
it seems that we need more, of this type of teaching.....an indepth...view of Christianity, and Christian teachings...
Thank you for this - very informative. I am looking forward to watching more of your videos!
G Long, I agree -- in part. I just got back from helping with a large initiative of my church. Each year we donate our unwanted furniture and housewares to international students coming to attend the college here in my town from countries around the world -- most from China and India. Over a hundred students come to our church and receive free furniture for their apartments here. We're happy to help them because the love of God in Jesus has been given to us freely, no strings attached, and we are compelled by His love to love others. Those we help don't have to join or even attend our church. It's a gift.
Thanks so much for your video. It really helped to condense the ideas for me. I'm writing a comparative essay about fundamentalism in the United States in the 20s vs Iran in the 60-70s. I'm taking a most different systems design; how can these two very different countries experience such a similar emergence of fundamentalism? :)
Fundamentalism emerges at a time of perceived crisis of a clash with modernity.
Islamic Fundamentalism has similar origins to Christian Fundamentalism. Both originated in the late 19th century. Islamic Fundamentalism is tied up with anti-colonialism, though, that is one key difference, but they aren't identical- there were anti-colonialists that gravitated towards Marxism instead of religion, for instance.
Thank you for your lecture sir very interesting.
Well done. I am an atheist. I was raised in the Methodist Church, with my very devout mother dragging the kids to church every Sunday morning. My father was an atheist. So, there was an interesting dynamic in the family. But, on my own, I just never could believe in anything supernatural, spirits, God, angels, demons, an afterlife of heaven or hell. It has always seemed like make believe to me, like Disney Land on steroids. I just don't understand how anyone actually believes in these things. But, I would like to understand. So, a historical perspective helps put things into context.
Chris. Very illuminating. An excellent overview of the subject. I enjoyed your scholarly and 'judgment-neutral' approach. Well done!
Hey, I know this vid is over a year old but maybe you'll see this. I think the lecture was well-rounded and informative. I'm in grad school right now, M.A. in religion. I have some questions for you. I think you're right to divide the participants in this discussion into three categories: the one who changes liberally, the one who resists strongly, and the one who preserves the faith with modification.
The issue there though is that very often categories 2 and 3 can overlap. Genesis, in its historical context, displays not only a geocentric cosmology but also much more a-scientific views, such as a flat earth with a dome-shaped solid sky in which the stars are placed, with waters above the sky and below the earth. However, I've yet to meet a "fundamentalist" who believes in a flat earth. So the tricky part is, even those who "stick" to scripture, very often are actually doing what they accuse category #3 of doing.
One other issue for me is when you say Darwinism does not pose a problem for Christianity. Marsden in "Understanding Fundamentalism" writes about Charles Hodge of Princeton Theological Seminary who wrote in 1874 that Darwinism is antithetical to teleology, which is certainly the case. I'd be interested in hearing why you think this wouldn't be the case?
At 26 min you mention people seeing even desegregation as part of 'the decline'. I am glad you made clear that you disagree.
I would not be so accepting of their claim that their opposition to desegregation was to do with 'the decline'. That is a pathetic excuse, no matter how flamboyant and colourful it sounds in a Southern accent, and no matter how many of them will nod along with it, trying to make it sound convincing.
But the reality, I am pretty sure, given the hatred for non-whites, was that they were just trying to hide their hatred behind that pathetic excuse.
Neo-Evangelicalism was sort of a soft-pedaled, rebranded Fundamentalism that was less reactionary. They weren't so much concerned with social justice (Billy Graham was notorious for rejecting the civil rights movement) as they were concerned about not automatically alienating the vast majority of the population, so they could "save souls". That meant ingratiating themselves to power and prestige, something that Fundamentalists had given up as hopeless.
I like history and these kinds of videos. The only thing ,being an avid reader and practicing liberal, i disagrees slightly with the view of the super natural. A separation between the super natural and rational logical narratives are made for the purpose of the literal context. I feel whether we decide to have faith and believe in miracles is left up to the student .Most of the teachers mention this in the introduction to the study..
Of course most don't follow it that is an interesting part as well. Knowing the biases of the source. I mainly like Historical Source Criticism and try to get Christians interested in it That's when the trouble starts. Today with so many agnostic/atheist biblical scholars this principal is muddied. You and i know history must be taught and understood by tossing out our biases and letting the source speak. This first principal is so neglected today. Many are not even await of it. .
Good expose on fundamentalism. I grew up catholic and have always been confused by all the sects denominations and Christian groups. I’m Lutheran now. Similar to Neill on the rollercoaster.
Thank you for the enlightened video. I must confess, "but for" John Shelby Spong and others like him, I would not be a Christian today.
It’s so sad that we even have all this complicated descriptive discussion over Christians. There shouldn’t be so many differences. Jesus wanted us to all be ONE! Col 3:15, John 17:21, John 10:16, Eph 4:3, Matt 16:18, Acts 4:32, 1 Tim 3:15, Eph 3:10, John 6:54, Eph 4:5
After two thousand years of translations commentaries exhaustive concordances and given all the different environments on earth we should expect many difference and embrace the differences as long as the essentials remain intact. We should respect the differences and learn to take the best of each . Hard to do . It is a test of patients .
Look at all the wars in the Old Testament even within Judaism the split into two kingdoms the murmuring Behind the scenes there were schisms within the Priest Hood . These things have caused me to dig deeper, that could be one reason the bible is such is a fickle. God uses the dirty hands of Men and the corrupt minds to inspire us, the imperfection may be the supreme catalyst . It brings understanding in a different way.
If there is no fall, there is no need for a Savior
Christianity is more divided than any other religion. Everyone with an opinion develop some sort of way of seeing the Bible and distorts the truth that it points to, which is to show Mercy forgive and have loving kindness for everybody without judgment that's what Jesus actually taught. We received the forgiveness of sins in the name of Jesus and we live according to the love that's in our hearts poured out by the Holy Spirit and there's no more to it than that all of these charts and graphs and what people do is meaningless. In all of these different ways of looking at the Bible and interpreting it in all the crazy things that people have come up with all equates to self-righteousness and judgment for others.
What I mean is, I am sorry if you had a bad experience with religious people, or some how came to the conclusion that all religion is bad. I believe some religions are unhealthy and false, but obviously I am a Christian, and I believe my faith is true, and that it promotes good in the world, over all.
Chris Ross When did christians ever promote freedom?? Give me anytime were Christianty was not involved in major bloodshed.
Hello Chris Rose ! I have to do presentation about christian fundamentalism at my collage on coming May. Its about 30minutes. so can you tell me key points that I have to present in my presentation or you can draw a draft for me. Because I have no idea about Christian fundamentalism. I hope you will reply me soon. This is my email address. ven.w.nandarathana@gmail.com.
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Darwins....Origin, of Species, that does not mention orgins....
Anti-intellectualism, at 27 min: Yes, that idea, prevalent among the uneducated who find themselves being rightly ridiculed by people more intelligent and better educated than themselves, that in reality there is an inversion such that the ignorant are the ones who understand the truth and all the hated clever folks with their degrees and stuff are truly dumb.
As you say, they latch onto the idea that the spirit should guide them, and all that education does is dull one's contact therewith. Well, it's a great way of making ignorant people feel good about themselves.
But it is a tragedy in a technologically advanced nation to give house-room to such stupidity. It implies that intelligent and educated people are unspiritual, when in fact they labour fewer prejudices, and are better judges of the sanity and rationality of politicians and preachers who seek to lead.
it seems that any denomination will split, and it will be the liberals that break away from the conservatives....or vice versa...
Ok.. you lost me when you began to define Christians as Protestant. Catholics and Protestants, that's all you see, really?
And sadly most Believers buy into this narrative. Protestants are merely Roman Catholics with a few less calories, if you will.
They all still believe in a works based religion. GOD plus if I persevere in ' good works' til the end then maybe I'm probably going to get into heaven!
Good luck with that
Darwinism???????? For crying out loud, it’s evolution you know, SCIENCE.