The first time I read the bible through I was absolutely floored by this passage. I had never read it or even heard of it. I felt wonder and a little shiver of horror at the same time. All things serve His purposes.
That is all true. There are so many false prophets around preaching heresy and people just accept them despite God say the contrary in the Bible. Yet they still beleive it and I cannot convince them that they are untrue.
[ex-mo here] When Joseph Smith launches his religion with the foundational premises of: A) "All Christian churches are an abomination", B) "There was a complete and total apostacy upon the death of the last Apostle" C) "God the Father and Jesus appears to him as two separate beings - well you've nullified any chance that he's a "prophet' sent from God. Add to that, that none of the exclusively mormon doctrine not only can't be supported by the bible but it is mostly contra-biblical well, you can only attribute that to one source - and it ain't God.
Weird, eternal marriage is biblical and the teaching that is isn't is in fact non biblical Which faith teaches the idea of eternal marriage? Which one has to use a verse out of context to claim it isn't?... you know, the verse where Jesus is confronted by non believing Sadducees and they give a hypothetical example and he tells them the truth that they "are not given in marriage and they're are no new marriages and will be as angels".... because they've all been married by earthly authority, not by the power of God. Care to explain why your evangelical protestant catholics teach that eternal marriage is not biblical when the Bible clearly teaches that it is intended to be eternal when ordained by the power of God?
@@C.anthony80 Ladies and Gentleman may I present exhibit 'A' above^. This response is self-sabotaging. He simply adds on to a biblical verse a claim that in fact does NOT follow the verse of Jesus' words. Jesus did not add the caveat this mormon did. So many logical fallacies. What a mess.
@mongo4utube you are trying really hard. Can you answer the question that I asked in response to your first and now second claim. I'll give you another go. You say what we teach is not found anywhere in the Bible. The principle of eternal marriage is, in fact, biblical. Why do you teach against it and then say we teach unbiblical teachings. Answer the question, does God ordain eternal marriage? And I did not add one caveat, I explained the context of the very single solo story of Jesus speaking to Sadducees.... the one story that your people ignore and only use 8 words or so to say "see, eternal marriage is not biblical"
@@C.anthony80 It looks like part of this conversation is missing, but I am curious about the claim that eternal marriage is biblical. Can you elaborate?
@BellDavidE very easy.... people use Jesus' conversation with the Sadducees whom brought forth a hypothetical example..... so, theologically protestants, evangelicals, catholics all teach that Jesus taught against it. The fact is, no. Jesus did not teach against it. He taught correctly, the Sadducees did not hold the priesthood, they rejected the resurrection. Therefore, the Sadducees were not given in marriage before or during the resurrection. We agree with this verse that gets used. We agree with the context of the story, we don't agree with taking a few words and applying it to contradict an ordinance that God did ordain. I shouldn't have to go this far out to explain this but I have to before someone drops the same story told 3 times to apostates who did not believe. The biblical fact is that eternal marriage is taught in the very beginning. The fact that God ordained a marriage between Adam and Eve in the eternal garden should be enough contextual evidence to know his intent for the day that he returns the earth to the glory of before the fall..... but no, protestants take a few words of Jesus to non believers to support a pagan belief and reject a straight forward act by God.... it's literally the first act by God between man and woman. He married them in the garden, for time and all eternity. Unless you believe they would have died in the garden without eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The Bible teaches they were to live as husband and wife for eternity. Surely you believe that God will return the earth to that glory. If you do, then how can you believe that he won't restore the first covenant that he ordained between man and woman with the intent for eternal companionship?
Read your Bible* every day (if possible several times during each day) to know what God is saying/has said. If anyone at all says anything “godly” to you that you aren’t sure is correct, check your Bible. If it’s not plainly in your Bible disregard it. In the last few weeks I’ve looked up several concepts/doctrines that are commonly accepted in our “churchiosity”. Many aren’t in the Bible at all. No hints though; do your research. *But not cult Bibles: Bibles that are translated/written/published by one specific denomination/church/group, or with study helps by one of these. God bless - Genesis 1:1, John 3:16.
You know they are false prophets when they open their mouths and begin to prophesy. All things have been fulfilled, and we do not need prophets in the new heaven and new earth.
I will start with my answer to my question as to why do people worship God. I worship God because I believe he will save all people who even have a mustard seed of faith in him. This includes the Mormons. This includes people who do not have correct theology but are learning and growing in their love for God and all mankind. I trust God will work to save most of mankind. Because mankind is his creation, he loves them and he will make up the difference in their flaws, including the flaw of incorrect knowledge. He is powerful enough to do this. That work will continue in the next life if people are wiling to have God continue it in them. And Mormons are willing. Dont you see it? Why do you worship God??? this is a discussion for all people to answer. And go.....
If the teachings of a modern prophet are fallible, and if modern prophets trump former prophets, then why would the prophet’s instruction carry any more weight than your own interpretation of Scripture? Jesus has left his truth in the Bible. The essentials of the gospel are clear. HE will lead people to Himself, as He is our final prophet. We do not need a modern earthly prophet.
It is easy to be misled by false prophets. Paula White is a false prophet, and people follow her. Kenneth Copeland is a false prophet, and people follow him. Jesus said to his disciples, let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. [ Matthew 15:14 ] If the people of God don't want to be led astray, follow Jesus. Jesus said to the people, my sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. [ John 10:27 ] False prophets love the praise of men more than the praise of God. [ John 12:43 ]
GLM does these videos because they believe Mormons have the wrong theology and therefore will not be saved. My question is, Why would God not save a sincere soul who is trying to love God and serve him but has incorrect theology? And if God is a being who will not save most of mankind for incorrect theology, why do people worship him? So a question for all, why do you worship God?
Hi, brother.. Just as i observed GLM actions through these videos, i assumed that he strongly opposed our belief, doctrine and ways.. He simply said some evidences that Prophet Joseph Smith was a false prophet and all the Presidents of the Church, well those evidences that he said are just minor ways or GLM ways that they think its true.. I was told to read the bible as if i never did before but it came to a lot of realizations that it always points to Jesus and His Church, like many prophets in Old Testament and Apostles in the New Testament who always proclaim about the salvation of man and many others.. I observed GLM did not look at the major important keystone of our religion to figure out whether LDS is just an abomination or the true Church that is restored in the earth, The Book Of Mormon
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m thank you brother for that, i strongly oppose that the LDS church is not a Christian among the whole Christianity.. I see it and experience everything that when it comes to Church services and all in all.. it will always focus to the Savior and His teachings in the Bible for a reference of a Christian... So say, what makes a church non-Christian? It has no focus point on Jesus but i wholeheartedly say its a big NO
How do i know? I go listen to GLM and listen to what he says about my faith according to his interpretations. That's how i know he isn't a true teacher of the gospel. If you have to get someone's faith wrong and insert your own interpretations to debunk it, then you are not teaching truth.
He said go compare and look for your self at the end. Also what is wrong with him teach, correcting, and rebuking things with the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16 says you should do that with the word of God, the Bible.
@michaelundergoes6594 that's not what he did.... that's a strategy used to make a claim and encourage others to trust you instead of going to look And I'm here... I'm lds... I have looked for myself, I'm telling you that he is not telling you what I believe.... I'm telling you myself as a lds, idc what he tells you to look and see. I've been explaining what we believe and where to find it.. And you're going to be another one of those who can't answer my question which none of the others have answered either....
@michaelundergoes6594 yet again. You're now the 7th person who I have replied to and my reply is poof, gone, after it was there for a few hours which tells me that it was deleted rather than removed by UA-cam. GLM IS IN FACT DELETE LATTER DAY SAINT COMMENTS because he can't dialog with us. He can teach against us though and twist our beliefs.
@michaelundergoes6594 how do you know the Bible is the word of God. Prove that it is not a product of 4th century Pagans/Christians for political gain.... so prove that the Bible is the one and only the one book to be (the Bible doesn't make that claim, men did)..... so prove that the Bible is the only word of God since you can't prove it with the Bible, you're gonna have to prove it with an outside source and I want to know your source and you can't use the burning in your bosom since the holy ghost can't be used to testify (as your people claim, can't trust feelings, that's why you have a Bible.... but you have to prove the Bible without feeling and the Bible never states sola scriptura.... so convince me of sola scriptura using scripture in is correct context and language and I will leave my faith.... you won't...I left your faith to be lds because your theology doesn't exist in the Bible outside of twisting scripture to fit creeds
You still won't reach out to ward radio? You've been invited on and continue to ignore the invite. You claim to be a truth bearer, well you have the opportunity to go on and teach us what we get wrong.... you can tell us what we believe and what we don't know that we believe...... reach out to ward radio and take them up on the offer. What do you have to lose? You say you're right, so go prove it and prove that we don't know what we believe because you actually know what we believe, which we don't believe, yet you know we believe.
@mattbrumm8255 no...I seem like someone standing up against liars who misrepresent my God, my faith, and me...I seem like someone that is sick and tired of liars like you thinking you know my faith more than I do. People like you who gish gallop around and reject to answer serious flaws and unbiblical teachings in your own faith.... you think you can misrepresent, deconstruct and misinterpret my faith in a way that it avoids any kind of questions your way. You know, things that your theology teaches but is in fact a contradiction to actual acts performed by God.
@mattbrumm8255 look at how narcissistic you sound...I call it lies and deception and you still cling to the lies.... you say God is opening my eyes... how condensing are you? Since when is is eye opening to be forced to defend what we don't believe? How condescending and full of yourself must you be to tell me that I'm being shown truth when I'm literally confronting and correcting lies..... that's not eye opening pal, that's disgusting and bigotry. How dare you and GLM tell me what I believe and get it wrong, while telling me I'm wrong, while claiming that i don't know my beliefs... clearly you don't see an issue with lying to defend your theology.... that's wrong.
@mattbrumm8255 he's been invited to ward radio..... if you want to see what he gets wrong on so many levels, encourage him to go on ward radio and teach us the things he's telling you we teach...... he won't do it because he knows that he will be corrected on many things..... this dude used the God makers cartoon to explain my faith lol..... he doesn't know what we teach, he doesn't know much about the facts of the book of Abraham, but I'll hold off and wait to see if he will reach out to ward radio and come on the show. He's claiming to be a truth bearer, so yall need to encourage him to tell us where we go wrong rather than telling you his interpretation of our beliefs and how his interpretation of our beliefs proves we are wrong. He won't challenge our interpretations he challenges his interpretation of us.
In the Old Testament, the Spirit of God did not dwell within us. Therefore, we could only hear from God through His voice, giving us directions as a prophet or a king or a servant of any kind. After Jesus died on the cross for our sins and once we are saved, the Holy Spirit moves in and resides within us thus forever changing the relationship between men and God. We have Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God lives inside us. You have obviously not received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and I would venture to say that you do not believe in it as represented at Pentecost being still available today. The old testament did not have Jesus. When you try to conflate old Testament communications from God and new testament communications through the Holy Spirit, you ignore the changes or misunderstand them completely. His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. You will not find that anywhere in the old Testament. I am also going to guess that you are a cessationist. This is the very reason you conflate the Old Testament revelations of God with the New Testament revelations of God. You ignore the sovereign Spirit of God and limit the revelations received from the thoughts of God. So what you need to learn is that once the Holy Spirit moves inside you, you are able to know the thoughts of God. And if God chooses to give you revelation through his own thoughts, and you prophesy through visions or dreams or the like, no man on earth can say otherwise. The truth is only revealed when you test the spirits behind the word. There is no way to test spirits outside of the ability given to you to do so by the Holy Spirit himself. The discerning of spirits is only given to those who have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. No others have the ability to test any spirits at all.
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The first time I read the bible through I was absolutely floored by this passage. I had never read it or even heard of it. I felt wonder and a little shiver of horror at the same time. All things serve His purposes.
How to tell if you’re being misled: Any time someone says “God told me.”
Keep on teaching truth dear brother. We appreciate you!
That is all true. There are so many false prophets around preaching heresy and people just accept them despite God say the contrary in the Bible. Yet they still beleive it and I cannot convince them that they are untrue.
Amen. Thank you brother.
A relevant passage indeed
Why do you comment on GLM all the time?
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1mbecause I like the channel
[ex-mo here] When Joseph Smith launches his religion with the foundational premises of: A) "All Christian churches are an abomination", B) "There was a complete and total apostacy upon the death of the last Apostle" C) "God the Father and Jesus appears to him as two separate beings - well you've nullified any chance that he's a "prophet' sent from God. Add to that, that none of the exclusively mormon doctrine not only can't be supported by the bible but it is mostly contra-biblical well, you can only attribute that to one source - and it ain't God.
Weird, eternal marriage is biblical and the teaching that is isn't is in fact non biblical
Which faith teaches the idea of eternal marriage? Which one has to use a verse out of context to claim it isn't?... you know, the verse where Jesus is confronted by non believing Sadducees and they give a hypothetical example and he tells them the truth that they "are not given in marriage and they're are no new marriages and will be as angels".... because they've all been married by earthly authority, not by the power of God.
Care to explain why your evangelical protestant catholics teach that eternal marriage is not biblical when the Bible clearly teaches that it is intended to be eternal when ordained by the power of God?
@@C.anthony80 Ladies and Gentleman may I present exhibit 'A' above^. This response is self-sabotaging. He simply adds on to a biblical verse a claim that in fact does NOT follow the verse of Jesus' words. Jesus did not add the caveat this mormon did. So many logical fallacies. What a mess.
@mongo4utube you are trying really hard. Can you answer the question that I asked in response to your first and now second claim.
I'll give you another go. You say what we teach is not found anywhere in the Bible.
The principle of eternal marriage is, in fact, biblical. Why do you teach against it and then say we teach unbiblical teachings.
Answer the question, does God ordain eternal marriage?
And I did not add one caveat, I explained the context of the very single solo story of Jesus speaking to Sadducees.... the one story that your people ignore and only use 8 words or so to say "see, eternal marriage is not biblical"
@@C.anthony80 It looks like part of this conversation is missing, but I am curious about the claim that eternal marriage is biblical. Can you elaborate?
@BellDavidE very easy.... people use Jesus' conversation with the Sadducees whom brought forth a hypothetical example..... so, theologically protestants, evangelicals, catholics all teach that Jesus taught against it.
The fact is, no. Jesus did not teach against it. He taught correctly, the Sadducees did not hold the priesthood, they rejected the resurrection. Therefore, the Sadducees were not given in marriage before or during the resurrection. We agree with this verse that gets used. We agree with the context of the story, we don't agree with taking a few words and applying it to contradict an ordinance that God did ordain.
I shouldn't have to go this far out to explain this but I have to before someone drops the same story told 3 times to apostates who did not believe.
The biblical fact is that eternal marriage is taught in the very beginning. The fact that God ordained a marriage between Adam and Eve in the eternal garden should be enough contextual evidence to know his intent for the day that he returns the earth to the glory of before the fall..... but no, protestants take a few words of Jesus to non believers to support a pagan belief and reject a straight forward act by God.... it's literally the first act by God between man and woman. He married them in the garden, for time and all eternity. Unless you believe they would have died in the garden without eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The Bible teaches they were to live as husband and wife for eternity. Surely you believe that God will return the earth to that glory. If you do, then how can you believe that he won't restore the first covenant that he ordained between man and woman with the intent for eternal companionship?
Everything Latter Day Saint prophets say is in complete compliance with the word of God.
No
@@mikelike4811 Yes
Read your Bible* every day (if possible several times during each day) to know what God is saying/has said. If anyone at all says anything “godly” to you that you aren’t sure is correct, check your Bible. If it’s not plainly in your Bible disregard it. In the last few weeks I’ve looked up several concepts/doctrines that are commonly accepted in our “churchiosity”. Many aren’t in the Bible at all. No hints though; do your research. *But not cult Bibles: Bibles that are translated/written/published by one specific denomination/church/group, or with study helps by one of these. God bless - Genesis 1:1, John 3:16.
You know they are false prophets when they open their mouths and begin to prophesy. All things have been fulfilled, and we do not need prophets in the new heaven and new earth.
I will start with my answer to my question as to why do people worship God.
I worship God because I believe he will save all people who even have a mustard seed of faith in him. This includes the Mormons. This includes people who do not have correct theology but are learning and growing in their love for God and all mankind.
I trust God will work to save most of mankind. Because mankind is his creation, he loves them and he will make up the difference in their flaws, including the flaw of incorrect knowledge. He is powerful enough to do this. That work will continue in the next life if people are wiling to have God continue it in them. And Mormons are willing. Dont you see it?
Why do you worship God??? this is a discussion for all people to answer.
And go.....
Im a Latter Day-Saint, if all your intention is true, who will guide me and lead me to my Savior?
Read the Bible. Read it as if you have never read it before. Look at what the text really says.
@@nomis4136And if one does and concludes the Mormons are right, is that person saved?
If the teachings of a modern prophet are fallible, and if modern prophets trump former prophets, then why would the prophet’s instruction carry any more weight than your own interpretation of Scripture?
Jesus has left his truth in the Bible. The essentials of the gospel are clear. HE will lead people to Himself, as He is our final prophet. We do not need a modern earthly prophet.
@@BNichols021What is the point of GLM if God will lead his people to the truth? Why not just leave it up to God?
@@BNichols021 did you know why do we have a prophet in the first place?? Prophets in the Bible, why do they have them??
It is easy to be misled by false prophets.
Paula White is a false prophet, and people follow her.
Kenneth Copeland is a false prophet, and people follow him.
Jesus said to his disciples, let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
[ Matthew 15:14 ]
If the people of God don't want to be led astray, follow Jesus.
Jesus said to the people, my sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
[ John 10:27 ]
False prophets love the praise of men more than the praise of God.
[ John 12:43 ]
GLM does these videos because they believe Mormons have the wrong theology and therefore will not be saved.
My question is, Why would God not save a sincere soul who is trying to love God and serve him but has incorrect theology?
And if God is a being who will not save most of mankind for incorrect theology, why do people worship him?
So a question for all, why do you worship God?
Hi, brother.. Just as i observed GLM actions through these videos, i assumed that he strongly opposed our belief, doctrine and ways.. He simply said some evidences that Prophet Joseph Smith was a false prophet and all the Presidents of the Church, well those evidences that he said are just minor ways or GLM ways that they think its true..
I was told to read the bible as if i never did before but it came to a lot of realizations that it always points to Jesus and His Church, like many prophets in Old Testament and Apostles in the New Testament who always proclaim about the salvation of man and many others.. I observed GLM did not look at the major important keystone of our religion to figure out whether LDS is just an abomination or the true Church that is restored in the earth, The Book Of Mormon
@soulfiregaming458 I have read the Book of Mormon. I know it's teachings are true.
@@Imtryingtobelikejesus-m1m thank you brother for that, i strongly oppose that the LDS church is not a Christian among the whole Christianity.. I see it and experience everything that when it comes to Church services and all in all.. it will always focus to the Savior and His teachings in the Bible for a reference of a Christian... So say, what makes a church non-Christian? It has no focus point on Jesus but i wholeheartedly say its a big NO
And modern prophets are 99.9 percent wrong
How do i know? I go listen to GLM and listen to what he says about my faith according to his interpretations. That's how i know he isn't a true teacher of the gospel. If you have to get someone's faith wrong and insert your own interpretations to debunk it, then you are not teaching truth.
He said go compare and look for your self at the end. Also what is wrong with him teach, correcting, and rebuking things with the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16 says you should do that with the word of God, the Bible.
@michaelundergoes6594 that's not what he did.... that's a strategy used to make a claim and encourage others to trust you instead of going to look
And I'm here... I'm lds... I have looked for myself, I'm telling you that he is not telling you what I believe.... I'm telling you myself as a lds, idc what he tells you to look and see. I've been explaining what we believe and where to find it..
And you're going to be another one of those who can't answer my question which none of the others have answered either....
@michaelundergoes6594 yet again. You're now the 7th person who I have replied to and my reply is poof, gone, after it was there for a few hours which tells me that it was deleted rather than removed by UA-cam.
GLM IS IN FACT DELETE LATTER DAY SAINT COMMENTS because he can't dialog with us. He can teach against us though and twist our beliefs.
@michaelundergoes6594 how do you know the Bible is the word of God. Prove that it is not a product of 4th century Pagans/Christians for political gain.... so prove that the Bible is the one and only the one book to be (the Bible doesn't make that claim, men did)..... so prove that the Bible is the only word of God since you can't prove it with the Bible, you're gonna have to prove it with an outside source and I want to know your source and you can't use the burning in your bosom since the holy ghost can't be used to testify (as your people claim, can't trust feelings, that's why you have a Bible.... but you have to prove the Bible without feeling and the Bible never states sola scriptura.... so convince me of sola scriptura using scripture in is correct context and language and I will leave my faith.... you won't...I left your faith to be lds because your theology doesn't exist in the Bible outside of twisting scripture to fit creeds
You still won't reach out to ward radio? You've been invited on and continue to ignore the invite. You claim to be a truth bearer, well you have the opportunity to go on and teach us what we get wrong.... you can tell us what we believe and what we don't know that we believe...... reach out to ward radio and take them up on the offer. What do you have to lose? You say you're right, so go prove it and prove that we don't know what we believe because you actually know what we believe, which we don't believe, yet you know we believe.
You seem upset and convicted by the things that are said on this channel. Maybe that’s God opening your ears to the truth.
@mattbrumm8255 no...I seem like someone standing up against liars who misrepresent my God, my faith, and me...I seem like someone that is sick and tired of liars like you thinking you know my faith more than I do.
People like you who gish gallop around and reject to answer serious flaws and unbiblical teachings in your own faith.... you think you can misrepresent, deconstruct and misinterpret my faith in a way that it avoids any kind of questions your way.
You know, things that your theology teaches but is in fact a contradiction to actual acts performed by God.
@mattbrumm8255 look at how narcissistic you sound...I call it lies and deception and you still cling to the lies.... you say God is opening my eyes... how condensing are you? Since when is is eye opening to be forced to defend what we don't believe?
How condescending and full of yourself must you be to tell me that I'm being shown truth when I'm literally confronting and correcting lies..... that's not eye opening pal, that's disgusting and bigotry. How dare you and GLM tell me what I believe and get it wrong, while telling me I'm wrong, while claiming that i don't know my beliefs... clearly you don't see an issue with lying to defend your theology.... that's wrong.
@@C.anthony80 what’s he saying thats wrong?
@mattbrumm8255 he's been invited to ward radio..... if you want to see what he gets wrong on so many levels, encourage him to go on ward radio and teach us the things he's telling you we teach...... he won't do it because he knows that he will be corrected on many things..... this dude used the God makers cartoon to explain my faith lol..... he doesn't know what we teach, he doesn't know much about the facts of the book of Abraham, but I'll hold off and wait to see if he will reach out to ward radio and come on the show.
He's claiming to be a truth bearer, so yall need to encourage him to tell us where we go wrong rather than telling you his interpretation of our beliefs and how his interpretation of our beliefs proves we are wrong. He won't challenge our interpretations he challenges his interpretation of us.
In the Old Testament, the Spirit of God did not dwell within us. Therefore, we could only hear from God through His voice, giving us directions as a prophet or a king or a servant of any kind.
After Jesus died on the cross for our sins and once we are saved, the Holy Spirit moves in and resides within us thus forever changing the relationship between men and God. We have Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God lives inside us.
You have obviously not received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and I would venture to say that you do not believe in it as represented at Pentecost being still available today.
The old testament did not have Jesus. When you try to conflate old Testament communications from God and new testament communications through the Holy Spirit, you ignore the changes or misunderstand them completely.
His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. You will not find that anywhere in the old Testament. I am also going to guess that you are a cessationist. This is the very reason you conflate the Old Testament revelations of God with the New Testament revelations of God. You ignore the sovereign Spirit of God and limit the revelations received from the thoughts of God. So what you need to learn is that once the Holy Spirit moves inside you, you are able to know the thoughts of God. And if God chooses to give you revelation through his own thoughts, and you prophesy through visions or dreams or the like, no man on earth can say otherwise.
The truth is only revealed when you test the spirits behind the word. There is no way to test spirits outside of the ability given to you to do so by the Holy Spirit himself. The discerning of spirits is only given to those who have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. No others have the ability to test any spirits at all.