Straightforward and comprehensive explanation of Plato's understanding of reality (his epistemology, ontology and metaphysics) for the A level OCR Religious Studies course.
This is such an incredible video. It's hard to find videos where people actually grasp the subject matter when it comes to Plato's forms, etc. Thanks very much for making and sharing this!
I kinda like how Plato doesn't try to tell anyone what is true, just that we all have an innate unconscious understanding of truth, and that we need to think in order to approximate it since it can't be directly observed.
Great summary! You are clearly well versed in the main works (i.e. Republic, Phaedo, Meno, Parmenides, Theaetetus, etc). You grasp and teach the points very clearly and neither sugar coat nor take pot shots at the material. The visuals are also excellent! It's tough to find material on Plato that is this well done! Very good job!
I'm just getting into Philosophy now so forgive my ignorance. But, the philosophy of Plato as presented here sounds a lot like what I've learned of the Vedantic tradition's (Buddhism/Hinduism), in that the world as we perceive it is "illusory", and the truth cannot be ascertained by its observance. But then the video goes on to say that Plato is considered a dualist, because of the difference between the mutable & immutable,. But Buddhism/Hinduism are unequivocally not dualistic, they are the opposite. I'm struggling to see how they reach the same conclusion, but are considered the opposite ontologies. Can someone explain for me? Obviously I need to read some Plato lol.
The problem seems to be equivocation on "dualism"-as Plotinus elaborates, in a deeper (or simply orthogonal) sense Plato is as much a monist as any Vedantist, while the Vedantist is a dualist in the same sense as Plato, since the appearance or perception of the ultimately illusory world cannot be denied. “Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of our language.”
Loved this presentation, best I have found on the subject thus far. I had to overlook the globes, we all know inside (the truth) this realm is a flat plane... but so happy I did, great video... maybe some ancient cosmology next time, Geocentric!
@@JestEducation Well, I believe that what we call reality has two separate realms - a quantitative one and a qualitative one. And consciousness emerges from the quantitative realm reaching into the qualitative one and creating the virtual experience we call reality. Therefore, physic's failure to unite quantum mechanics and relativity is due to the fact that space, time, and therefore gravity are not fundamental and therefore quantitative, but qualitative, and therefore cannot be quantized or described particularly well mathematically, from the perspective of the precision necessary to create a GUT. You can see this in terms of the fact that singularities are so frequently found in trying to obtain a comprehensive mathematical view of the physical universe. In my view, space, time, and gravity have more in common with non-physical things, like ideas, feelings, observable qualia, like colors, than they do quantum mechanics. So I believe in a platonic realm of forms, the qualitative realm, but I didn't want to necessarily write all this. My view is also held to some extent by some physicists.
@pirizzo Plato's theory is actually simpler than that, and is the basis for Gnostic Christianity as well. Reality is this: light and that which defines Light. In other words, truth is relative, i.e. the relation of objects within a greater framework, and Truth is absolute, i.e. the immutable Form which gives rise to indefinite form. In short, there is this illusory veil of tears, full of suffering interspersed with momentary passing pleasure, and then there is "the Other Side", so-to-speak, which contains God and all His angels/Powers & Principalities in high places. In essence, we are all trapped in the cave of physical reality, and Jesus Christ is the Logos who rescues us from our ignorance of the Light. He is the One who chooses you from within the cave and gives you the choice to follow him into the sublime light of the Outside. Once you know the Truth, He commands you to re-enter reality and spread His gospel: that the Light yearns for you to know Him and love Him as He has always known and loved you. It is truly no surprise that early Christians were divided into the 95% majority of Orthodox apologists (which is also truth to a lesser degree), and the 5% minority who understood Christ's teachings while He walked: to overcome the fruits of the Tree of Knowledge and, while yet stuck in the sin of ignorance of the Truth, to consume the fruit of the Tree of Life which He provides. Christ's life is just as significant as His death & bodily resurrection, and *seems* to be, at least from one perspective, the realization of Plato's Eastern-derived philosophy of dualism of Truth/Form. His death is comparable to the Genesis 1 quote: the darkness could not comprehend the Light. Unfortunately gnosticism was corrupt from the beginning with false truths overpowering the simplicity of Truth presented by Christ which is its own seperate dissertation altogether. I appreciate if you took the effort of reading this in full.
@@yqafree As a Nietzsche, Plato wasn't greatest philosophers in all times but Greatest cult leader among all cult leaders because plato was made our people foolish and became blind followers of Plato
Thanks for this but I couldn't help but find your explanation of Plato's work to be missing a lot of really important information. Describing Plato in terms of the vocabulary and and context of a debate emerging over the next 2000 years later doesn't do justice to the bloke. Plato wondered and his dialogues taught so many others to wonder. For example to describe Plato's theory of forms as his theory of reality - in juxtaposition to later arguments really misses the point. For example, in a later dialogue, the Parmenides, Plato destroys his own theory of forms and has a young Socrates, try to defend the theory to the older, pre Socratic philosopher, Parmenides and his student, Zeno. What of the earth and hair and dirt and worms beneath your feet Socrates - do these too have an eternal unchanging ethereal representation? The other aspect of Platos' work that is really missing from this video is his literary skill. For example when exploring knowledge in the Theatatus - his must read dialogue IMO - e.g. the passage where Socrates is a midwife attempting to give birth to the young mathematicians definitions of knowledge and knowledge is to the mind as music is to the lyre - its pretty much unrivalled as a literary work in its own right.
Plato was a dualist?? Plato never claimed to be a dualist. The theory of forms is hardcore Monistic metaphysics....wahhhh???? Plato was influenced by Indian, Egyptian and Pythagorean Monism...these guys were Perennial philosophers if anything.
Definitely agree that he saw the Forms as the real deal and could be seen as a monist. Our students need to frame his theory as dualist before they can consider this level of analysis.
@@JestEducation the word wisdom (sophia) was not even native to the greek lexicon when Pythagorus coined the term philosophy...it was a completely new term...which comes from the Egyptian word Mer(Love) Rekh(Wisdom) [Denotative of an Eye hieroglyph looking at a Sun] (Love of Wisdom).
Sorry Lily for the speed. I’ve been trying not to make them too long as I know how busy people are. Hopefully you’ll be able to either slow them down as Crooklyn suggested or pause to digest as and when you need to. Thank you for your comments everyone.
This is such an incredible video. It's hard to find videos where people actually grasp the subject matter when it comes to Plato's forms, etc. Thanks very much for making and sharing this!
Thank you for your comments. That’s very kind. I’m glad you enjoyed it.
I kinda like how Plato doesn't try to tell anyone what is true, just that we all have an innate unconscious understanding of truth, and that we need to think in order to approximate it since it can't be directly observed.
Great summary! You are clearly well versed in the main works (i.e. Republic, Phaedo, Meno, Parmenides, Theaetetus, etc). You grasp and teach the points very clearly and neither sugar coat nor take pot shots at the material. The visuals are also excellent! It's tough to find material on Plato that is this well done! Very good job!
Thank you so much Aidan. That is very kind.
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Truly magnificent video, helps a lot to grasp Plato's ideas
A deeply incisive, clear and funda fundamentally important video for all humans.
Thank you. Yes, very important!
I'm just getting into Philosophy now so forgive my ignorance. But, the philosophy of Plato as presented here sounds a lot like what I've learned of the Vedantic tradition's (Buddhism/Hinduism), in that the world as we perceive it is "illusory", and the truth cannot be ascertained by its observance. But then the video goes on to say that Plato is considered a dualist, because of the difference between the mutable & immutable,. But Buddhism/Hinduism are unequivocally not dualistic, they are the opposite. I'm struggling to see how they reach the same conclusion, but are considered the opposite ontologies. Can someone explain for me? Obviously I need to read some Plato lol.
The problem seems to be equivocation on "dualism"-as Plotinus elaborates, in a deeper (or simply orthogonal) sense Plato is as much a monist as any Vedantist, while the Vedantist is a dualist in the same sense as Plato, since the appearance or perception of the ultimately illusory world cannot be denied. “Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment
of our intelligence by means of our language.”
pretty great break down. really helped me understand better.
Thank you for taking the time to say so Danielle. Glad it’s helped.
Give Plato another century and he will shine the civilization
Thank you for the great information on Plato, it shall help my emerging studies into Ancient Greek Philosophy!
Thank you soo much, this video is amazing, your videos helped me a lot for my graduation study in this pandemic
Glad to have helped.
that was amazing, thank you.
You’re welcome.
Loved this presentation, best I have found on the subject thus far. I had to overlook the globes, we all know inside (the truth) this realm is a flat plane... but so happy I did, great video... maybe some ancient cosmology next time, Geocentric!
Thank you!
@@JestEducation you're welcome hope you consider finding the truth of where you live... Water rests level. Best wishes on your journey here!
the earth is flat and other conspiracy theories 😂🤣
@@Titan1x77bthis is the worst misuse of Plato I've ever seen anywhere😂
@@louquay ikr omg
Fantastic, accurate. synopsis. Thank you.
Thank you so much for this video. I appreciate the lack of personal opinion & fluff.
Thank you and thank you for the feedback.
I'm not going to mince words; I basically believe Plato's theories as gospel.
Wow, that's fairly rare.
@@JestEducation Well, I believe that what we call reality has two separate realms - a quantitative one and a qualitative one. And consciousness emerges from the quantitative realm reaching into the qualitative one and creating the virtual experience we call reality. Therefore, physic's failure to unite quantum mechanics and relativity is due to the fact that space, time, and therefore gravity are not fundamental and therefore quantitative, but qualitative, and therefore cannot be quantized or described particularly well mathematically, from the perspective of the precision necessary to create a GUT. You can see this in terms of the fact that singularities are so frequently found in trying to obtain a comprehensive mathematical view of the physical universe. In my view, space, time, and gravity have more in common with non-physical things, like ideas, feelings, observable qualia, like colors, than they do quantum mechanics. So I believe in a platonic realm of forms, the qualitative realm, but I didn't want to necessarily write all this. My view is also held to some extent by some physicists.
@@pirizzo Thank you for taking the time to share.
@pirizzo Plato's theory is actually simpler than that, and is the basis for Gnostic Christianity as well. Reality is this: light and that which defines Light.
In other words, truth is relative, i.e. the relation of objects within a greater framework, and Truth is absolute, i.e. the immutable Form which gives rise to indefinite form.
In short, there is this illusory veil of tears, full of suffering interspersed with momentary passing pleasure, and then there is "the Other Side", so-to-speak, which contains God and all His angels/Powers & Principalities in high places.
In essence, we are all trapped in the cave of physical reality, and Jesus Christ is the Logos who rescues us from our ignorance of the Light. He is the One who chooses you from within the cave and gives you the choice to follow him into the sublime light of the Outside. Once you know the Truth, He commands you to re-enter reality and spread His gospel: that the Light yearns for you to know Him and love Him as He has always known and loved you.
It is truly no surprise that early Christians were divided into the 95% majority of Orthodox apologists (which is also truth to a lesser degree), and the 5% minority who understood Christ's teachings while He walked: to overcome the fruits of the Tree of Knowledge and, while yet stuck in the sin of ignorance of the Truth, to consume the fruit of the Tree of Life which He provides.
Christ's life is just as significant as His death & bodily resurrection, and *seems* to be, at least from one perspective, the realization of Plato's Eastern-derived philosophy of dualism of Truth/Form. His death is comparable to the Genesis 1 quote: the darkness could not comprehend the Light.
Unfortunately gnosticism was corrupt from the beginning with false truths overpowering the simplicity of Truth presented by Christ which is its own seperate dissertation altogether.
I appreciate if you took the effort of reading this in full.
@@ChristAliveForevermore I agree with you. I try to live my life as Christ taught.
Plato just proved Gods existence
Proper go at Plato, WELL DONE. CHEERS
You did a great job on Plato, it reminds me of how much of a Platonist I am
Why you follow sheep’s doctrine because Plato was the ancient flock of sheep
@@Ok-bk5xx I'm not exactly the same, I'm no sheep either. Plato and Socrates are still legendary, as well as Aristotle and even Diogenes.
@@yqafree As a Nietzsche, Plato wasn't greatest philosophers in all times but Greatest cult leader among all cult leaders because plato was made our people foolish and became blind followers of Plato
@@Ok-bk5xx Are you Greek? Or other? What's your faith if you have any?
@@yqafree i will not tell you about who am i but you must have doubt about plato's doctrine.
Great stuff. Taking notes. Think we could get some Kant?
Thank you very for your sharing your noble commitment and dedication. altc
Thank you Alexander. These did take a long time to put together, so you appreciation is highly valued :)
The concept of soul arose from realizing what we now know to be stored in DNA.
your vidoes are amazing, please make more . i hope you're okay
When truth can’t be proven facts come in play
Yh this vid is amazing along side crash course philosophy I just might pass
Thank you. Best of luck with your exams :)
Thank you very much this video :)
You’re welcome.
Thanks for this but I couldn't help but find your explanation of Plato's work to be missing a lot of really important information. Describing Plato in terms of the vocabulary and and context of a debate emerging over the next 2000 years later doesn't do justice to the bloke. Plato wondered and his dialogues taught so many others to wonder. For example to describe Plato's theory of forms as his theory of reality - in juxtaposition to later arguments really misses the point. For example, in a later dialogue, the Parmenides, Plato destroys his own theory of forms and has a young Socrates, try to defend the theory to the older, pre Socratic philosopher, Parmenides and his student, Zeno. What of the earth and hair and dirt and worms beneath your feet Socrates - do these too have an eternal unchanging ethereal representation? The other aspect of Platos' work that is really missing from this video is his literary skill. For example when exploring knowledge in the Theatatus - his must read dialogue IMO - e.g. the passage where Socrates is a midwife attempting to give birth to the young mathematicians definitions of knowledge and knowledge is to the mind as music is to the lyre - its pretty much unrivalled as a literary work in its own right.
Absolutely excellent critique. We are just sticking to a basic analysis for the a level exam for now.
can u talk about plato and his retroductive logic system
I will add this to our list for future videos, thank you.
Anamnesis....not literal recollection as I understand it....
Will you be doing the other topics in the OCR spec btw?
well the perfect realm sounds like heaven
Lots of links exist between Plato and Abrahamic religious ideas, yes.
what is the empirical world? is it the world we experience in person or the world in our minds or is it a different meaning?
Thank you for your reply. Empirical is also sometimes used synonymously with sensible or world of sense experience - the so-called physical world.
coming here after the release of a SOTA language model.
thanks
You’re welcome.
Very nice video :)
Thank you.
so wrong he sounds right . great videos btw
Thank you!
Where does Plato think humans come from? Our origins?
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Please send me hard copy of this video
Where is video one?
Did you find it? It’s called 1. An introduction to Philosophy.
What app did she use?
I used videoscribe.
Plato was a dualist?? Plato never claimed to be a dualist. The theory of forms is hardcore Monistic metaphysics....wahhhh???? Plato was influenced by Indian, Egyptian and Pythagorean Monism...these guys were Perennial philosophers if anything.
Definitely agree that he saw the Forms as the real deal and could be seen as a monist. Our students need to frame his theory as dualist before they can consider this level of analysis.
He got all his teachings from africa
That sounds very interesting. I would really love to hear more about that.
@@JestEducation You're saying you don't know that Plato studied for over a decade in Egypt??? Then started divulging all these teachings....
@@JestEducation the word wisdom (sophia) was not even native to the greek lexicon when Pythagorus coined the term philosophy...it was a completely new term...which comes from the Egyptian word Mer(Love) Rekh(Wisdom) [Denotative of an Eye hieroglyph looking at a Sun] (Love of Wisdom).
ur too fast
hey
If only it was possible to adjust the playback speed....
Sorry Lily for the speed. I’ve been trying not to make them too long as I know how busy people are. Hopefully you’ll be able to either slow them down as Crooklyn suggested or pause to digest as and when you need to. Thank you for your comments everyone.
Plato lost me at TRUTH DOESN'T EXIST IN NATURE.
Religious people have been enabled by this king of nonsense for 2400 years. 🙄😬
Thanks
You’re very welcome.