The capsule came out great, it makes me want to play some Avril Lavigne. And as someone who doesn't wear bittersweet and only ever sees it in isolation (i.e. on one person at a time, one outfit at a time), hearing you talk about bittersweet as its own thing and then see that exemplified in an actual capsule collection was very useful and made so much sense. If someone asked me to put a bittersweet capsule wardrobe, I definitely would've fallen into the traps that you mentioned (sweet prints in black, black x pink etc.). But now, after seeing this, I actually feel a little bit more informed and would probably make a much better attempt at bittersweet if asked to.
Thank you, and that's the type of response I was after (the Avril bit, that is - though I'm glad you found the whole thing informative)! And now I actually want to see you let out your inner scene queen and do a bittersweet look ^__^
I came here to say "bittersweet, I like it but do not consider it to be like a REAL substyle" and then suddenly saw you made a recreation of what I wear the most in lolita 😅 plus the things I always wanted to own. I feel so seen, hahaha! Thanks for putting all of this together
@@astralb.2647 I mean, those are the the big substyles...but they each have substyles of their own. Like bittersweet! It's like a fun, frilly flow chart.
I love your capsule wardrobes! This one is so fun. I love the purple/pink/black together. When I started lolita 5ish years ago your capsules were a big inspiration. I wanted to do a cohesive wardrobe like you showed, unfortunately I like too many things! I'd love to see a video talking about planning these like you mentioned, maybe I'll figure out what gaps I gotta fill better.
You just made my day, can't get over the fact that my capsule were an inspiration for you! Totally relate on liking too many things...my wardrobe IRL has a bit of everything. And thanks for the suggestion, I'll pop a wardrobe planning video on my ideas list ^__^
It was really interesting to see this capsule come together and an informative look at bittersweet overall as someone who doesn't wear it/wasn't in the fashion at the time. I agreed with your points on how it differs from sweet lolita and would love to see you do this kind of 'build with me' video for other underrepresented substyles of lolita and give your take on them!
Thank you, I'm so happy to hear it was interesting and informative! What other substyles would you consider under-represented (because I did really enjoy making this and want to do more)?
@@HerRoliness I would personally love to see capsules for Punk and Wa Lolita! I hear about Punk fairly often but I feel there aren't as many good visual examples of it. (especially nowadays, I feel like it used to be more of 'A Thing' back in the mid/late 00's - early 10's) and it's one I've heard a few lolitas describe as a substyle they like but have trouble conceptualizing. As for Wa, I think with the bold colors and patterns a lot of Wa pieces have it would be cool to see those pulled into a cohesive yet still varied wardrobe!
I never understood the whole discourse over bittersweet EVEN if it was just sweet w/ black prints why are ppl so adamant about hating the term and arguing with people that use it? I once heard someone refer to another lolita who uses the term bittersweet as "not like the other lolitas" implying that that lolita felt superior as if they were "not like the other girls"?? It's just a reach and v bullying like behavior over a term. Really shouldn't be that serious.
Sorry for the mini rant Also watching this recently watching your other vid about your 10 years in the fashion I can see why you're so good at making these type of collages
Nothing wrong with a bit of a rant! It does seem a weird thing to get caught up about but oh well. And thank you! I have had a lot of practise lol ^__^
Omg I’m so happy I stumbled upon your channel!! I only recently started wearing lolita but I’ve been into the fashion since 2011 and I absolutely loved your capsule wardrobes (especially your country lolita one)! They’ve not only helped me with putting my lolita wardrobe together but my main jfashion wardrobe too!!
Bittersweet Lolita should be its own thing but so many Lolitas don't want it to be. Its more then just.... Sweet prints in black color ways. Its that but with spooky/gothic motifs and themes. Legit pastel goth but lolita. Thats not to say black sweet prints are automatically bittersweet. Royal Princess Alice x Tama Sweet Monster Castle JSK is a PERFECT example of bittersweet print. Most halloween prints form AP are bittersweet.
Yes, I do think it's distinct from "sweet in black" (and I like the analogy to pastel goth) but it does all boil down to the question of how much is anything it's own substyle vs a theme or motif? There's no agreed upon answer and I don't think there every will be ^__^
Ooh, this looks so cool! It was really interesting to learn about bittersweet lolita. I'm fairly new into the fashion and prefer classic. I've learned a lot, thank you 💖
bittersweet lolita here! i’m exclusively bittersweet! i enjoy the sweet but i don’t feel like myself if i don’t have the dark shades too, and gothic is a bit too elegant and edgy so i stay in the middle ground _(┐「ε:)_
i appreciate the effort you put into this wardrobe. however, bittersweet is a pointless label for tagspam and definitely not a substyle, unless we're getting to the granularity where every theme or twist in styling is its own substyle (i.e., calling chocolate prints or florals their own substyle). at that level, substyle becomes completely irrelevant, because every person's unique styling can count as their own substyle. bittersweet originated as a blog post by a goth who didn't want her sweet dresses (such as the grey x black music note special set from meta) confused with actual sweet lolitas-- literally saying she was not like other lolitas because goth identity was too important to her. this isn't editorializing, it's a documented instance. bittersweet as it was in 2012ish was really just mashing creepy cute kyary pamyu pamyu style in with lolita, and really had nothing to do with the original meaning of bittersweet. i wouldn't hazard to call deco-lolita or mori lolita their own lolita substyle, so i wouldn't do the same for creepy cute-influenced styles. for these lower-level divisions, they might be themes (or sub-substyles) that you can mix in, but calling it a substyle on the same level as punk or gothic is really pushing it.
Thanks for the comment. You do make a very good point that bittersweet is really, at best, as sub-substyle and I agree with that (and probably should have, in retrospect, called it a theme or styling choice or something else). I stand by my opinion that it is more than just "sweet in black" but it certainly is hard to draw the lines, and to (as you say) know when we should draw lines and it's pointless. Ooooh do you have a link to that blog post? Don't know if I ever saw it back in the day!
@@HerRoliness Raine Dragon has it in her post, "The (Controversial) History of 'Bittersweet' Lolita". i'm not sure i can link things here, but she does a great job of breaking it down (as usual).
7:28, bitter sweet talk
The capsule came out great, it makes me want to play some Avril Lavigne. And as someone who doesn't wear bittersweet and only ever sees it in isolation (i.e. on one person at a time, one outfit at a time), hearing you talk about bittersweet as its own thing and then see that exemplified in an actual capsule collection was very useful and made so much sense. If someone asked me to put a bittersweet capsule wardrobe, I definitely would've fallen into the traps that you mentioned (sweet prints in black, black x pink etc.). But now, after seeing this, I actually feel a little bit more informed and would probably make a much better attempt at bittersweet if asked to.
Thank you, and that's the type of response I was after (the Avril bit, that is - though I'm glad you found the whole thing informative)! And now I actually want to see you let out your inner scene queen and do a bittersweet look ^__^
I came here to say "bittersweet, I like it but do not consider it to be like a REAL substyle" and then suddenly saw you made a recreation of what I wear the most in lolita 😅 plus the things I always wanted to own. I feel so seen, hahaha!
Thanks for putting all of this together
Oh that's brilliant! Glad you liked it (and sounds like you have a rocking sense of style) ^__^
That works really well as a capsule wardrobe! And I agree that bittersweet counts as a substyle :)
Thank you! And glad you agree on bittersweet being its own thing ^__^
Lolita's in my comm kill anyone that say there's a substyle aside from classic, sweet and gothic... but I secretly disagree with them 🫣
@@astralb.2647 I mean, those are the the big substyles...but they each have substyles of their own. Like bittersweet! It's like a fun, frilly flow chart.
I love bittersweet! I'm more of super sweet prints but in black than creepy cute elements, but it is my jam.
Glad you liked it! Black x pink is honestly the greatest colour scheme ever ^__^
I love your capsule wardrobes! This one is so fun. I love the purple/pink/black together. When I started lolita 5ish years ago your capsules were a big inspiration. I wanted to do a cohesive wardrobe like you showed, unfortunately I like too many things! I'd love to see a video talking about planning these like you mentioned, maybe I'll figure out what gaps I gotta fill better.
You just made my day, can't get over the fact that my capsule were an inspiration for you! Totally relate on liking too many things...my wardrobe IRL has a bit of everything. And thanks for the suggestion, I'll pop a wardrobe planning video on my ideas list ^__^
It was really interesting to see this capsule come together and an informative look at bittersweet overall as someone who doesn't wear it/wasn't in the fashion at the time. I agreed with your points on how it differs from sweet lolita and would love to see you do this kind of 'build with me' video for other underrepresented substyles of lolita and give your take on them!
Thank you, I'm so happy to hear it was interesting and informative! What other substyles would you consider under-represented (because I did really enjoy making this and want to do more)?
@@HerRoliness I would personally love to see capsules for Punk and Wa Lolita!
I hear about Punk fairly often but I feel there aren't as many good visual examples of it. (especially nowadays, I feel like it used to be more of 'A Thing' back in the mid/late 00's - early 10's) and it's one I've heard a few lolitas describe as a substyle they like but have trouble conceptualizing.
As for Wa, I think with the bold colors and patterns a lot of Wa pieces have it would be cool to see those pulled into a cohesive yet still varied wardrobe!
I'd love more capsule wardrobe videos!
Then you'll be happy to hear I've already started work on the next one! Thanks heaps for letting me know ^__^
I never understood the whole discourse over bittersweet
EVEN if it was just sweet w/ black prints why are ppl so adamant about hating the term and arguing with people that use it?
I once heard someone refer to another lolita who uses the term bittersweet as "not like the other lolitas" implying that that lolita felt superior as if they were "not like the other girls"?? It's just a reach and v bullying like behavior over a term. Really shouldn't be that serious.
Sorry for the mini rant
Also watching this recently watching your other vid about your 10 years in the fashion I can see why you're so good at making these type of collages
Nothing wrong with a bit of a rant! It does seem a weird thing to get caught up about but oh well.
And thank you! I have had a lot of practise lol ^__^
Yeah it’s not even hurting anyone if someone calls bittersweet
This is totally my style I love it!! ❤
Then you have excellent taste ^__^
Omg I’m so happy I stumbled upon your channel!! I only recently started wearing lolita but I’ve been into the fashion since 2011 and I absolutely loved your capsule wardrobes (especially your country lolita one)! They’ve not only helped me with putting my lolita wardrobe together but my main jfashion wardrobe too!!
That makes me so happy to hear my capsules helped you! Like, I'm doing a little happy wiggle in my chair right now ^__^
Bittersweet Lolita should be its own thing but so many Lolitas don't want it to be. Its more then just.... Sweet prints in black color ways. Its that but with spooky/gothic motifs and themes. Legit pastel goth but lolita. Thats not to say black sweet prints are automatically bittersweet. Royal Princess Alice x Tama Sweet Monster Castle JSK is a PERFECT example of bittersweet print. Most halloween prints form AP are bittersweet.
Yes, I do think it's distinct from "sweet in black" (and I like the analogy to pastel goth) but it does all boil down to the question of how much is anything it's own substyle vs a theme or motif? There's no agreed upon answer and I don't think there every will be ^__^
Bittersweet Lolita is like pinneapple on pizza: everyone is debating if it should be legal 😂😂
Haha that is a perfect analogy, I love it!
Ooh, this looks so cool! It was really interesting to learn about bittersweet lolita. I'm fairly new into the fashion and prefer classic. I've learned a lot, thank you 💖
Thank you, I'm so glad it was informative for you!
bittersweet lolita here! i’m exclusively bittersweet! i enjoy the sweet but i don’t feel like myself if i don’t have the dark shades too, and gothic is a bit too elegant and edgy so i stay in the middle ground _(┐「ε:)_
Awesome! I actually love your description of bittersweet being sweeter than gothic, but edgier than sweet.
i appreciate the effort you put into this wardrobe. however, bittersweet is a pointless label for tagspam and definitely not a substyle, unless we're getting to the granularity where every theme or twist in styling is its own substyle (i.e., calling chocolate prints or florals their own substyle). at that level, substyle becomes completely irrelevant, because every person's unique styling can count as their own substyle.
bittersweet originated as a blog post by a goth who didn't want her sweet dresses (such as the grey x black music note special set from meta) confused with actual sweet lolitas-- literally saying she was not like other lolitas because goth identity was too important to her. this isn't editorializing, it's a documented instance. bittersweet as it was in 2012ish was really just mashing creepy cute kyary pamyu pamyu style in with lolita, and really had nothing to do with the original meaning of bittersweet. i wouldn't hazard to call deco-lolita or mori lolita their own lolita substyle, so i wouldn't do the same for creepy cute-influenced styles. for these lower-level divisions, they might be themes (or sub-substyles) that you can mix in, but calling it a substyle on the same level as punk or gothic is really pushing it.
Thanks for the comment.
You do make a very good point that bittersweet is really, at best, as sub-substyle and I agree with that (and probably should have, in retrospect, called it a theme or styling choice or something else). I stand by my opinion that it is more than just "sweet in black" but it certainly is hard to draw the lines, and to (as you say) know when we should draw lines and it's pointless.
Ooooh do you have a link to that blog post? Don't know if I ever saw it back in the day!
@@HerRoliness Raine Dragon has it in her post, "The (Controversial) History of 'Bittersweet' Lolita". i'm not sure i can link things here, but she does a great job of breaking it down (as usual).
@@frillSquid Awesome, thank you!