@@polygondwanaland8390 It was more than 500 minerals. The center base he had, was probably 1000, plus there were golden mineral walls, and a few blue minerals in his secondary bases.
Arguably he would've probably lost anyway. Astrea is about the best lategame protoss player atm. I hope he continues to improve in the neeb fashion since neeb retired.
@@_Wai_Wai_Spirit had like 3000 minerals left over. The one patch had 935 and another patch had 750 or something. Then a few with a couple hundred left. That would have made a huge difference!
@@kenora101 yea, and it was so frustrating seeing his 20 something SCVs just sitting there, and they were close to the center mineral field. As I said, the golden mineral walls, and few patches left in secondary bases close to his main.
As soon as you said the map is mined out I looked at the minimap, and couldn't believe you didn't see the pale blue scattered on spirit's side of the map.
I was too, are Spirit and Winter both mineral blind? I was actually half expecting Astrea to start mining them and Spirit's mineral wall with his idle probes, but now I'm wondering if he did the 1000 IQ move of intentionally not so as to avoid reminding Spirit they were there.
I actually was triggered about minerals in the middle, but then I assumed its some kind of a new map bugs, cuz pro players and casters with full vision should saw it years ago. Now i'am tilted cuz i was right and let myself down.
Can confirm: I was yelling at my TV about the unmined patches like it was sportsball. Then, so dependent on Winter's unfailing expertise, almost gaslit myself into thinking they weren't actually there (they are doodads? destructible rocks?) and had to go to the liquipedia page to double check. I shudder and grimace at the thought of the cast ending with the lingering patches unacknowledged; where would I be, then? 2+2=5? Considering Flat Earth? Voluntarily entering the Church of Scientology again?
@@SnkobArts Thank you for putting my horror and exact thought process into words, kind sir. You have some of the best words too. Also, congrats on leaving Scientology - it must've been really hard, but you pulled through.
Awesome content. Last time I played Starcraft was when 2 was brand new and then only one game. But I absolutely love your videos. And the Queen jokes are so funny.
Spirit just left like 3k+ minerals at the rich vespene base for half an hour plus. He easily couldve mined it with the scvs and an orbital. Once the terrans fully mine out of the map, theres zero reason not to float back to the main and turtle. They have repairs. They have scans and sensor towers. They will force you into a fight that favors them or draw
in this case, Tempests are the stalemate-breaker. With their long range and tectonic destabilizers they shred entrenched positions. Astrea can slowly chip away at the outskirts of the Terran's position and be ready with templar & stalkers any time the Vikings move out to counter.
Of course there's a reason not to move back to home base. Tempests are gonna kill you easily and if protoss does not have to fear the viking cloud flanking, they can clear the map and EASILY win the game from there. That's not zerg there.
Winter, I want you to know I watched remastered Return of the King in theatres tonight and when the lighting of the beacons hit I was obviously moved by the film but I also thought… “BATTLECRUISERS” GG friend, keep up the good work
While I generally agree the viking does its job a bit too well, leaving little to no room for the Battlecruiser to replace them, I think this game was a good demonstration that they're not the final word in air superiority. The range, the blink, splash, and the plasma shields kept the Vikings unable to breach the Protoss kill zone.
@@arthuryong4968 that works too, but you gotta get past all the layers of splash damage first. And marine/ghost is even less durable than viking swarms.
new to the whole SC2 tournament play so pardon my noob question. Do the players get to choose which faction they want to play in head to head, or are they drawn when they show up? the thought of not knowing which faction you will command would be really interesting but stressful for the player at same time. Make them well rounded or is that too much?
Yes, they choose the race they play before going into the match. It’s very very rare for one player to play multiple races at a professional level, so usually they just declare their race for the whole tournament.
they should bring back the mothership with vortex, lockdown ability of the ghost, the red archon, the scourge of zergs, etc and put it in the sc2 engine. the more variety of units would make the games more interesting. sc1 vs sc2 is interesting because nobody knows what is going to happen. the same would be if you have a lot of new units inserted in the game
There was zero reason at all to throw those workers away, it was just plain stupid. Those few thousand minerals left to mine, the walls, even just fighting with the army Especially against the carriers at the end, he could've got level 3 mech armour (important!), repaired, even filling out the supply with marines It may not have been completely enough, but he threw Even just imagine 40 marines up north fighting the protoss buildings like..
Spending the gas on an extra medivac & 2 vikings is often more helpful than +3 armor, Stalker/Storm/Tempest is either spell or high burst damage. It does make a difference Vs Carriers but its very unusual to go back to Carriers so Spirit probably wasn't expecting it.
@@hivetech4903 did you watch the video? even in case youre right , the batteries survived , idk what survived but soemthing survived , either batteries or canons , im nto rewatching right
long time watcher ive watched hundreds of ur streams over the years... first comment and like. Bro u missed out on the OG tower defense games back in broodwar in custom games... sunken defense... photon cannon defense where u turn vision off and literally stack towers one tile into eachother and make mazes....they even had TD where u buy units and fuckin make walls by hold position! missed ouut bruh.
Are we looking at the same game? There were probably about 20 nukes (even including the mind-game canceled ones). That's only 2k/2k resources and it's not like clearing those clusters of Cannon/Battery was going to be free.
This is by far one of the most booooring match ever....seriously 30min maxed out and no fight....this is dumb....strategy my arrrrgg....why would you cast this match...
"how does he not seem them" -caster with full map vision for an hour, not seeing them
Spirit really dropped the ball, not using his remaining workers to mine the mineral walls. theres even few patches in the base near center of map
Yeah Spirit weirdly just decided the last 250-500ish minerals on his side of the map weren't worth mining, slightly frustrating
@@polygondwanaland8390 It was more than 500 minerals. The center base he had, was probably 1000, plus there were golden mineral walls, and a few blue minerals in his secondary bases.
Arguably he would've probably lost anyway. Astrea is about the best lategame protoss player atm. I hope he continues to improve in the neeb fashion since neeb retired.
@@_Wai_Wai_Spirit had like 3000 minerals left over. The one patch had 935 and another patch had 750 or something. Then a few with a couple hundred left. That would have made a huge difference!
@@kenora101 yea, and it was so frustrating seeing his 20 something SCVs just sitting there, and they were close to the center mineral field. As I said, the golden mineral walls, and few patches left in secondary bases close to his main.
As soon as you said the map is mined out I looked at the minimap, and couldn't believe you didn't see the pale blue scattered on spirit's side of the map.
i was screaming the whole time about the minerals
I was too, are Spirit and Winter both mineral blind? I was actually half expecting Astrea to start mining them and Spirit's mineral wall with his idle probes, but now I'm wondering if he did the 1000 IQ move of intentionally not so as to avoid reminding Spirit they were there.
@@werevamp lol I was too. The whole game
“Storm, a historical and StarCraft related counter to Vikings” HAS ME FUCKING ROLLING OML.
💯🤣☠️
That, and "the map is dark and full of terrans". A+++
19:37
THIS Metal Gear reference is CLASSIC!
God Bless you ALL!
❤ it
Winter is absolutely classic when he's on his game. Always entertaining anyway
29:57 the pathfinding on that 2nd Zealot..
That was me, why is he throwing away the SCVs when he could be mining out the rest the minerals? Though i didn't think he had 2k left!
there was plenty of minerals left all over Spirit's side of map. He left his SCVs sitting around doing jack. Including golden mineral walls.
exactly the middle base should have landed a orbital and resume mining
I actually was triggered about minerals in the middle, but then I assumed its some kind of a new map bugs, cuz pro players and casters with full vision should saw it years ago. Now i'am tilted cuz i was right and let myself down.
"the night is dark and full of terrans" you sure have hillarious lines ^^
Spirit gave up when he saw the carriers probably
Some people might not like this style of game but i really enjoy it. Thank you for casting!
Can confirm:
I was yelling at my TV about the unmined patches like it was sportsball. Then, so dependent on Winter's unfailing expertise, almost gaslit myself into thinking they weren't actually there (they are doodads? destructible rocks?) and had to go to the liquipedia page to double check. I shudder and grimace at the thought of the cast ending with the lingering patches unacknowledged; where would I be, then? 2+2=5? Considering Flat Earth? Voluntarily entering the Church of Scientology again?
Again?
@PaulthePhilosopher2 Again. Grew up there.
@@SnkobArts Thank you for putting my horror and exact thought process into words, kind sir. You have some of the best words too. Also, congrats on leaving Scientology - it must've been really hard, but you pulled through.
WINTER!!! THERE ARE STILL MINERALS AT THESE BASES!!! ;-) Some peeps did not look at the map and see the blue glowing things...
36:19 that Ghost deifinitely got "fedback"
Feederbackered, clearly.
Awesome content. Last time I played Starcraft was when 2 was brand new and then only one game. But I absolutely love your videos. And the Queen jokes are so funny.
There were like 2500-3000 minerals left on spirit's bases wtf T_T
Spirit just left like 3k+ minerals at the rich vespene base for half an hour plus. He easily couldve mined it with the scvs and an orbital. Once the terrans fully mine out of the map, theres zero reason not to float back to the main and turtle. They have repairs. They have scans and sensor towers. They will force you into a fight that favors them or draw
Lol winter just realized. Still, I'm so sick of watching Astrea games. Absolutely zero killer instinct.
in this case, Tempests are the stalemate-breaker. With their long range and tectonic destabilizers they shred entrenched positions. Astrea can slowly chip away at the outskirts of the Terran's position and be ready with templar & stalkers any time the Vikings move out to counter.
Yeah, that was just silly.
Of course there's a reason not to move back to home base. Tempests are gonna kill you easily and if protoss does not have to fear the viking cloud flanking, they can clear the map and EASILY win the game from there. That's not zerg there.
omg I've just realized I use to watch you years ago, you use to look like 10 now you look like 20!
Aged like maru
yes but he's 40....
He's actually 15.
Yeah, he looks like he might have shaved once
Gamers don't get sun lol
The base at 4:20…
Blazing a path…
The number is high
😂
"Warps in a 'Cinimatic' of Stalkers..."
so thats the ~Collective Term~ for stalkers...
His mind was broken.
after watching the whole game the title seems ironic xD
Winter, I want you to know I watched remastered Return of the King in theatres tonight and when the lighting of the beacons hit I was obviously moved by the film but I also thought… “BATTLECRUISERS”
GG friend, keep up the good work
Trust me bro is an ultimate answer of an Alfa game. Thanks Winter. Jimmy nice call to cast this.
WINTER, THERE WERE STILL MINERALS AT THESE BASES
fajnie ze nie pokazujesz tylko protosow z zergami . Piekna potyczka bez zergow
aw damn almost got to witness the fist of neeb again
Thank You
Om nom nom
When the Flanker becomes the Flankee, are they engaging in Flanky Panky?
I will like every video where Terran loses.
When are they gonna experiment with higher supply limits? We have the technology now
THERES AN ENTIRE MINERAL LINE LEFT!
best SC2 commentator out there
Vikings: the perfect counter to all Protoss air units plus Colossus and even Stalkers 🤷🏽♂️
dont forget probes
While I generally agree the viking does its job a bit too well, leaving little to no room for the Battlecruiser to replace them, I think this game was a good demonstration that they're not the final word in air superiority. The range, the blink, splash, and the plasma shields kept the Vikings unable to breach the Protoss kill zone.
@@admiralmurphy1543 what about mass marine and few ghost emp?
@@arthuryong4968 that works too, but you gotta get past all the layers of splash damage first. And marine/ghost is even less durable than viking swarms.
@@admiralmurphy1543 so the best way to fight carrier comps as terran is either you harrass non stop or go BC?
new to the whole SC2 tournament play so pardon my noob question. Do the players get to choose which faction they want to play in head to head, or are they drawn when they show up? the thought of not knowing which faction you will command would be really interesting but stressful for the player at same time. Make them well rounded or is that too much?
Yes, they choose the race they play before going into the match. It’s very very rare for one player to play multiple races at a professional level, so usually they just declare their race for the whole tournament.
@@Golinth And typically they never change races after they have found "their" race
Jimmy there is still minerals left!!!!!
Looks like popcorn’s back on the menu boys!
they should bring back the mothership with vortex, lockdown ability of the ghost, the red archon, the scourge of zergs, etc and put it in the sc2 engine. the more variety of units would make the games more interesting. sc1 vs sc2 is interesting because nobody knows what is going to happen. the same would be if you have a lot of new units inserted in the game
This is Mind Blowing.
We aren't going to talk about the *pen is* probes?
Great commentary as always!
if spirit built battle cruisers things would be gone differently .
One nuke... COULD have made the difference... could.
did anyone find the 2:00 mentioned game between reynor and soul ? I only found some older matches 4 years ago
ua-cam.com/video/gO8Cp7iMSaU/v-deo.html - pretty hard to search it took me a while too xD
we trust you bro
Came for the SC2, stayed for the jokes
I thought they were muling the entire map...then i realise what's mine means
The map is dark and full of terrans. 😂😂😂😂
I was hoping my day would get a little bit better and it just did. #winning
I love your comentary, if i receive a responde i'll comment another one.. i'll probably be doing it anyway...
Let's freaking Go!🎉😮😊
Astrea could have won the game with that first blink. Dude needs to work on his control/micro
I don't normally comment on these but damn that's a good game
Why isn't spirit long distance mining the middle minerals ?
oh
Can we get actualy good games for a change? I need some bronze league heroes
“Just trust me, bro!” Let us down this time. Boring af watching two players with no killer instinct.
scans pretty nice eh?
Is Jimmy the one that said trust me bro ?
There was zero reason at all to throw those workers away, it was just plain stupid.
Those few thousand minerals left to mine, the walls, even just fighting with the army
Especially against the carriers at the end, he could've got level 3 mech armour (important!), repaired, even filling out the supply with marines
It may not have been completely enough, but he threw
Even just imagine 40 marines up north fighting the protoss buildings like..
There was no counter for the sky toss. Vikings got stormed and out ranged.
Spending the gas on an extra medivac & 2 vikings is often more helpful than +3 armor, Stalker/Storm/Tempest is either spell or high burst damage. It does make a difference Vs Carriers but its very unusual to go back to Carriers so Spirit probably wasn't expecting it.
why not emp canons before nuke lands?
the only reason I can think of is to keep the location of the nuke hidden
Why would you? A nuke one-shots cannons with full shields.
@@hivetech4903 did you watch the video? even in case youre right , the batteries survived , idk what survived but soemthing survived , either batteries or canons , im nto rewatching right
@@hivetech4903 yes in the epicenter everything dies but the damage falls off farther from it
long time watcher ive watched hundreds of ur streams over the years... first comment and like. Bro u missed out on the OG tower defense games back in broodwar in custom games... sunken defense... photon cannon defense where u turn vision off and literally stack towers one tile into eachother and make mazes....they even had TD where u buy units and fuckin make walls by hold position! missed ouut bruh.
Are everyone blind? Theres minerals in the middle of the map, one entire base is not completely mined out. Probably 1k + there. Wtf?
Gotta love how Terran players slowly kill themselves by spamming nukes worth 10k/10k resources and kills like 1 cannon
bit of an exaggeration, it was like 7.5k/7.5k resources, and he efficiently traded them for like
2.2k of minerals in cannons and batteries 😂
Are we looking at the same game? There were probably about 20 nukes (even including the mind-game canceled ones). That's only 2k/2k resources and it's not like clearing those clusters of Cannon/Battery was going to be free.
@@fluffyfang4213 he could have simply used tanks and scans to a similar if cheaper affect. I mean to clear the cannons not the distraction portion
@fluffyfang4213 I'd say you can still catch the flight ✈️ before it flies over you because it's still taxiing.
@@Wwillswords tempest come, tanks die.
Girthy!
GG
Spirit sucks, dude refuses to commit only to slow burn a loss. When you aren't able to replenish your army any more, no point to turtle
Thank fuck Neebs intro has been lost, good fucking writens. Also can you make another cow boy video.
i liked and subscribed. Because by the years, i trust u, bro.
[but in fact, was a bit boring, one sided attrition fight]
Spirit could have used that huge window of time to build tons of BCs with a handful of vikings, or adding some Thors wouldn't hurt
BCs??? Against their perfect counter Stalker+Tempest???
aaaaaaargh ffs stop missing the nuke explosions thats the highlight
spirit missed all the mineral in the gold wall.. and a bunch of the blue ones.
he played horribly
Click bait? Click bait
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It was good until that last 30 minutes
Really…?
The most procrastination game ever see…
SPOILER SHIELD
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hard to watch/boring. We're spoiled with the high tier games to top players
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This was painful to watch tbh.
This is by far one of the most booooring match ever....seriously 30min maxed out and no fight....this is dumb....strategy my arrrrgg....why would you cast this match...
terrans are just lazy. not upgrading mech/mining mineral walls because they're used to winning by a landslide thanks to the strength of their race
ngl, spirit kinda sucked...
Boring
Is this a Charlie Brown Christmas accent?