The Minotaurs Chapter Of The God Emperors Astartes - The Private Army Of The High Lords Of Terra
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Once an outcast chapter with a mysterious background, possibly even one stretching back to the Hours heresy the Minotaur's disappeared for the Imperium of man for a very long time. Only to reaper drastically changed! And far better equipped then any chapter of their age had any right to be! And as if in repayment the Minotaurs have ever since been been extremely eager to follow the wishes of the High Lord of Terra almost as if, they owed them their very existence. And their newly fund temperance... As a chapters once reminiscent of the war hounds took on a new aspect more similar to those of the death guard
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Honestly It would be hilarious if the were the bastard children of Rogal Dorn and Perturabo.
The Zeal of the Black Templars combined with the obedience of the Iron Warriors.
Now thats a tool the High Lords of Terra would love to have in their arsenal.
thats not a bad call
i consider them iron warrior and war hound
while the carcaradons i consider to be night lord and death gaurd
the minotaurs are brutal grinding savage and insanely aggressive yet disciplined
while the carcaradons are cruel brutal and violent but structured calculated and absolutely all about being thorough
That be funny.
Imperial Fists already follow the rules to such autistic degree they are more Codex-compliant than the Ultramarines
Long live Honsou
These guys aren't a mix of Death Guard and War hound, they're just flat out Iron Warriors. In tactics, temperment, & aesthetics they're son of Perturabo. And it way more likely that a Bunch of Iron Warriors stuck around than World Eaters. There were Iron Warriors Garrissons that sat out the entire war without even realizing anything was happening. They could have easily cut a deal upon re-discovery.
Definitely boys from the fourth legion.
These guys are far more melee focused then Iron Warriors. IW are all entrenched gun lines and mobile artillery these guys fight like Carcaradons but dress like Ultramarines in bronze
War Hounds are not World eaters.
War Hounds are brutal yet disciplined while the World Eaters are brutal and irrational.
Even before the butchers nails Angron lead his legion like a savage.
And yes one became the other but the tactics, values, goals and way of live are completely different.
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War Hounds were more the Medic Legion. Big E intended Angron to be a healer after all.
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>Unaware of how the Iron Warriors Assault Companies fought
>Takes the wargear of the Lamenters
>It works flawlessly
>Lamenters lament their bad luck again
The "bad luck brian" meme of M41.
Actually considering the minotaur's history, and the fact the lementers did kinda become traitors....They got good luck on this occassion. They were not wiped out to a man after getting rammed by the minotaurs in a scene only hitdsm could produce.
"Fuck em" personified. I like the attitude Loyalist Iron Warriors have, and Prefered Enemy: Space Marines is a cool concept
I still love the old army rules for Black Templars, being the single deadpan, matter-of-fact line on their data sheet, reading ‘Preferred Enemy: All’
It really says something about the Lamenters when even the bronze asshole chapter stays its hand against them, in the end, even when they are fighting on the side of renegades and traitors.
To be fair they gave them one hell of a fight
Full chapter strength minotaurs vs about half of the lamenters with many already wounded, and they lasted hours before issuing their surrender
Even an asshole has to admit that Sanguinius favourite taxi drivers are worthy warriors
@@DisasterLordseventeen hours of boarding actions aboard the Mater Lachrymarum. The Lamenters had 311 battle-brothers left from that battle by the end, with a little under 100 fighting elsewhere in the Badab War.
"Fk the minotaurs. All my homies hate the minotaurs." -Unknown Lamenter space marine
right before his pants fell down and he tripped into a ditch of shit.
“Agreed, fuck the Minotaurs, bronze rod rammed assholes” -unknown imperial fist while talking to custodian
@@conan2096Hahaha based
“Look at the Lamenters trying to be something other then an eye sore”- Unknown Minotaur Space Marine
I'm sorry, thats just any other loyalist chapter who has had the displeasure of meeting them
I like to think the Minotaurs let the Lamenters live due to mutual understanding. They're both chapters of the cursed founding, probably both with mixed heritage, and under rough circumstances to some extent or another. Either that, or they think that letting the Lamenters live is a worse punishment than wiping them out lol.
Lets go with both. They pity them but not that much to put them out of their misery.
Ah the wayward sons of Perturabo. Definitely one of my favorite Chapters.
My face when the chapter that is both savagely brutal and paranoid, utilizing a combination of siege and shock assault warfare suddenly gets deathguard thrown in instead if iron warriors 😧
It occurs to me that another reason the Minotaurs might be a bit wary of Dreadnoughts is because the crusade era marines were too. They were fully aware of the horrible fate of those locked in Dreadnoughts. Maybe the Minotaurs are equally disillusioned.
I Fucking love this Chapter. The color scheme, the ferocity, the tactics, Asterion Moloc being utterly terrifying to the point a Custode had to PAUSE to properly assess him and, weirdest of all, they got on alright with the Salamanders of all people during the War of Badab.
Thinking it probably has something to do with conviction. Same reason they spared the Lamentors. Or maybe both chaptors are just really pure and they are into that shit. Like turbo tsundere.
THEY DID WHAT?! THEY GOT ALONG...WITH THE SALAMANDERS?! You must be joking! How?! Why?! Please explain!
@@KingofAwesomness14 They weren't exactly buddy-buddy but they seemed to show a little more respect to them, probably because they were just as pissed off as they were for the whole "Being betrayed and stealing our gene-seed thing."
@@randomcenturion7264 yea, that's still...new...different. an estranged approach to the minotaurs to be sure, at least to me. but its a welcome estrangement.
They even have brothers sent to the Deathwatch. Needless to say, the orientation trips are a sight to behold.
Lamenters: “we stand with our friend the astral claws! Administratum overreach ends here- *glass breaks and Stone Cold Steve Austin’s theme plays as a Minotaurs charge in and stunner the poor yellow boys of sanguinius.*
Ah Hell Yeah
oh man i want to see an astares wresting federation now
Lord I can see it. Lol
The Astral clawsssss.s...s.....RED CORSAIRS REMEMBERED THAT!!!!!!
Lord Commander JR: BY THE GAWD EMPEROR ITS THE MINOTAURS WITH STEEL CHAIR BOLT GUNS!
I lean towards Loyalist Iron Warriors for these lads.
The one Chapter that the Minotaurs are actually on pretty good terms with are the Crimson Fists, who originate from their original Chapter Master, Alexis Polux.
If the Minotaurs are descended from the loyalist Barabas Dantioch, that means Polux and Dantioch's bond of brotherhood lasted ten millennia, and that would be a shining beam of feel-good amidst all of the grimdark.
These guys took all of the Lamentaters luck.
Agreed there
And their good wargear too.
Implied they had any from the begining.
It should be noted that in the current lore, Minotaurs are no longer the High Lords attack dogs. They fully obey Lord Gulliman to the letter, who left them secret instructions if the High Lords tried to turn on him, in which they of course did. The Minotaurs feigned obedience to the traitors until it was time and then heel turned immediately, with zero hesitation and turned on the High Lords. The obey Gulliman so absolutely they were willing to risk going toe to toe with the Custodes and Imperial Fists on Terra itself.
A loyal hunting dog, one that hasn't bit the hand that feeds them yet.
Interesting take. Personally lean more into Loyalist Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists smacked together or just Loyalist Iron Warriors. Culture of Greek, Pragmatic, use of siege assault vehicles, Controlled Fury, attrition, duty focused, ect. Seems no brainer. Though i also remember hearing some author who was involved with them saying they were Iron Warriors.
Honestly. The perfect Loyalist Iron Warriors sucsessor
The melee focus tho.
The melee focus tho hits at Wat Hounds.
Also remember that the War Hounds where super loyal and very disciplined and coud stay their hand even in the heat of battle.
Dont confuse them whit the latter World Eaters.
Ah yes, the Minotaurs. If space marines had a federal agent chapter, it would be them.
more lik IRS
im still under the impression that the minotaurs are iron warrior and war hound while the carcaradons are night lord and death gaurd
it just makes too much sense for why they are why they are each
I think they were once chimeric of death guard and world eaters, but the tinkering once they disappeared added iron warriors into the mix.
These guys have stuff that can rival the Blood Ravens.
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Commenting here just to say how excited i am to see Arch's reaction to the new Custodes codex introducing female Custodes.
Would love to see the Minotaurs come to blows with the Space Sharks, that fight would be BADASS!
A fan theory for Asterion Moloch, which I love, which is that Moloch is Thunder Warrior (perhaps Tyranis) who survived the purge and found the secret to super long life (which probably involved being modded into oblivion). This would explain his distain for space marines, which he would pass on to the other Minotaurs. It would also explain how he could make a Custodies pause, as there is an argument to be made that a Thunder Warrior could beat a Custodies in a 1v1 fight, especially as a Custodies fighting abilities varies a lot from story to story.
A chapter of or including stabilized Thunder Warriors, that's a horrifying thought. Might also explain why it shows up as chimerac, no specific original base but shares a lot of trails with many
What if they're prototype primaris which is why Cawl was able to hide his pet project from everyone.
He cut a deal with the high lords and made them their own personal pet as a bribe/gift.
A chapter created for the sole purpose to hunt down and totally decimate Space Marines, while obeying only the Office of the Senatorum Imperialis. It's just such a brilliant twist and addition to Roboutes Imperium.
25:20 according to the Soul Drinkers books, a dreadnaught can go into self 'hibernation' for milenia, and come back online by themselves fully operational - with no maintenance ( Daenyathos ).
I think it would also work if the where remnants of the second and eleventh space marine legions this would also explain the edict of silence.
Not a bad idea, you take a nearly snuffed out chapter, fill it up with you personal boys and nothing looks sketchy paper work wise.
Imagine they come as just normal Ultramarine successors
When I saw the tittle of the video, I knew it would be great and mighty lore.
.. The Minotaurs Chapter: as subtle as a punch in the nose!
... The Commissar is pleased! 😎
Blackshields give new heraldry and colors. It could exsplain to some extent the chimeric gene-seed.
Thunder Warriors! Went through a SLEP update. Hey, the Emperor made everything from the Custodes on down to be weapons right?
Dark Angels and Minotaurs deployed against the same threat would be an eventful action
this is the thunder warier that got the big e gean seed way back in the hersy
"The imperium is not allowed to waste resources on over kill" I think the imperial gard would disagree good sir. 😂
Yay! New arch video!
Theory: the minotaurs didn't spare the Lamenters. They simply couldn't kill off the last of the chapter. Guns jammed. Swords shattered. Even their hands were mangled by errant shrapnel trying to choke out their foes.
Why? Because death would have put an end to their suffering. The worst they could do was to let the Lamenters keep existing
Arch, you seem particularly chill this cast.
They are probably just ultra marine successors.
Been looking forward to this sinds the War for Badab! Great stuff Arch!
Chimeric geneseed, great crusade equipment, unknown progenitor primarch/Primarchs? Lost Legions power team. Imagine the Emperor tried reaching the Primarchs just after the scattering and only those two were retrieved quickly but at great cost, a father holding two still chested and silent babes.
Arch you bit off the mark there - technology of aspirant's rapid growth was indeed mentioned as something World Eaters dabbled in, but planet where such event was described have been raided by Iron Hands - and technology was looted by them as well, making it way more likely that its Iron Hands geneseed mixed in, not Death Guard. And as for relic vehicles Ferrus'es spawns (with cooperation of Mechanicus) are the ones most capable of maintaining and possibly even producing such constructs.
On the topic of the Dreadnoughts, there's an odd parallel to be drawn with the Space Wolves, of all people. In the Forge World's "Imperial Armour Apocalypse - Second Edition" they introduced rules for the Contemptor Dreadnought, as well as a couple of Chapter specific variant. The Space Wolves on had an interesting lore blurb, as according to it, the Space Wolves have always considered that particular pattern to be ill-omened, with many of the sagas that mention them almost always being of dark and fell tales, rife with gruesome and bloody deeds even by their standards. Later on this because a bit of self-fulfilling prophesy, as the remaining chassis post-Heresy and Apostasy would mostly be given to warriors that had already bad reputations.
So it made me wonder, even putting aside the potential fallen Legion origin of the Minotaurs, if their Contemptors have gained a similar reputation amongst them, and if that also plays a part in the... indifference? That they show the otherwise venerable warriors. I just that there was an odd similarity here.
Wasn't the Minators involved in attacking Terra in some Ex- Highlord rebellion against Gilly-Man New High Lords ...and they also had Primarus Marines in their chapter before they where standard issue marines?
Yup. They were gonna fight Guiliman's forces, until he pulled a Big Brain counter-coup like it was nothing, then they got ordered by the New High Lords to stand down and did so without a word or hesitation.
Yeah, the old High Lord's tried to protect the 40k setting and the Minotaurs pretended to side with them.
they're pretty antagonistic in the vaults of terra series, loved those books
One of the most Bad-Ass chapters of all!
They just show up and wreck shit any and every time they appear.
I'd say iron warriors (which seems to be the consensus if not outright lore) and either Imperial fists or space wolves for the loyalty, and sheer rockcrete wall they have in temperament
I like to think the Lamenters simply were so used to the attrition that they somehow outlasted the minotaurs or theirs a 21st founding kinship that granted them a small mercy.
Finally an arch video I wanna watch that's not a dig at you just after the end and the death ive been 40klored out
Arch, ya beauty!
Been looking forward to your video on this chapter.
Frankly, it might just be a demi-Legion of all different traitors legions, minus the Thousand Suns
Just a thought, but is there a potential for iron warriors being the second portion of the gene seed? They are known for their corpse grinding tactics. Maybe their hiatus was tweaking the balance of iron warrior to war hound expression. Keeping the savagery but promoting the stubbornly obedient temperament. They're no death gaurd in terms of survival, but they're no push overs.
It also kinda fits the space Greece esthetic of everyone's favorite angsty Primarch.
Barch, how could you forget the Iron Warriors similarities!!! The Minotaurs might have started as Warhounds, but that failed. Iron Warrior geneseed tho??? PERFECTION! It all fits.
I’ve got the image of the Minotaurs getting sent to Vraks with the rest of chapters deployed there. Their tactics and arsenal would’ve been hella appreciated
They let the Lamenters Live...
You kniow. Given the reputation of the Lamenters...that was probably the cruelest thing they could have done.
A killing blow would have put them out of their misery. But no. They done lived and got sent on a penitent crusade....that ran into a hive fleet.
Maybe they're also BA too
The Minotaurs care not from where the blood flows... as long as it's from other astartes.
Ok arch.. I'm sold. Give me 1 chapter
21:45 "The entire first company of the Terminators Chapter" 😂
They do this day an night called noise engine demons
World Eaters without the Butchers Nails?
A big possibility.
I’d argue it’s War Hound and Iron Warrior or perhaps Imperial Fist/Black Templar.
Could it be they spared a fellow cursed founding chapter?
World Eaters + Iron Warriors. They had automatic beef with the Imperial Fists when they were around them.
Does it seem weird that most chapters ruling over at least a planet each look in envy at 200 or so tanks?
I always thought it'd be decent if the wear a mixture of the lost Primarks legions both wear traitor and little was known doubtful but could be cool
What if the Minotaurs are the War Hounds that refused the Butchers Nails when Angron demanded the legion has them fitted? Hidden away by Terra to escape Angrons wrath...
Now for a book that has the space wolves getting pissed off at them 😏
So federal agent / ATF themed chapter. You can relay on that they shoot the dissidets cyber mastiff and light the house on fire. 😂
I love the Minotaurs. Though I’ve always had a fondness for organizations/groups dedicated to hunting down and exterminating traitors. They he fact they prefer to hunt the most dangerous traitors (space marines) makes me like them anymore.
To be of Angrons blood, theyd need the nails.
Baal is the bull. Chimeric is 2 faced, as are the Angels.
They are Sons Of The Revenant Legion.
So the Minotaurs are a chapter of hybrids of world eaters and death guard sounds like heresy.
I have a theory for both their possesion of ancient high end tech, their disdain for it and the 2 millenia of silence.
When the chapter disappeared, they in fact went on a wild goose chase, to capture old depot or lost tech world somewhere on the fringe. To obtain said equipment. Maybe it was heavily fortified and occupied world, varanting the whole chapter to go out there. But it was a gamble, and the house did won. They might jump out of warp just to hit an ancient minefield spamming the whole system, a last line of defence or prison for whatever is on the planet. The now crippled fleet hastily scrambles towards the target world amounting increasing losses. And when they finaly made a landfall with everything and everyone that is left, they would not fare better against the locals. And as a bonus, the treasure trove of tech is a bust, just bunkers after bunkers with piles of rusted away metal. it exist, the STCs are there, but its useless and the facility to make new ones are a whole galaxy away. Crippled, stuck and down on luck, everyone has to work. And because we know how well 40k treats common folk, i do mean everyone. Everyone who is left. Including walking, breathing, potential 3m tall heavy duty machines in power armor. So down on the dirt big boy and dig, cause we are one meal away from death by starvation. The only stroke of luck could be the discovery of ancient Dreadnoughts lying dormant somewhere, but in a state where they are out of commision for centuries to come. Maybe even souless and pilot-less. So the selected venerable brothers and those who died on the way down would be moved to the dormant husks that wont be of any use use for centuries.
And even big humans are still humans... Now forced to dig in dirt every day alongside their "volunteers (calm down youtube)", for centuries to come. With their "better" brothers sitting idly in their new "bodies" completely useless, only eating necessary resources and manpower for repair and maintenance. Even the biggest, baddest, toughest big boy would get jelous or pent up disdain for his situation and his peers. And if said big boys are as hot blooded as minotaurs. Well, you get the idea...
2000 years later they come back. Humbled, angry, and stronger than ever. Yet still resenting their luckier peers who got it easy.
Moloch pulling off Primarch level feats....
Oh, I wish Arch would do something, anything, for the castodies. I wish to learn from him how they are made if nothing else.
This is 100% my headcannon, but I think the chaptermaster might be Alpharius. And they are the visible side of the Alpha legion working for the imperium. Spearwielding tall "Astartes" Chaptermaster that a Custodes cant seems to be able to defeat. A chapter at always full strength that cant be verified even by the Inquisition. Sudden changes of an older chapter. Having obundant amounts of great crusade Legion Gear, with no clear origin...
Read somewhere that one of the writers for badab war supposedly stated minotaurs are of iron warriors geneseed. However minotaurs aggression suggests world eaters more, or if chimeric genessed lore bit is still valid, could very well be both(and/ or have a bit of death guars thrown into the mix as well).
Speaking of both, let's see what you guys think of this - a penitent/redemption founding, using traitor geneseed for a loyalist chapter, one for each of the traitor legions. For 12th, we got wrath-hounds - black armor trimmed with bronze(a la red hand destroyers) with bronze helmets for veterans, symbol is pre-heresy fanged maw modified to look like a studded collar and open max of an angry hound at the same time, hence the name, special decoration include chains(to symbolize their discipline) and any pattern that spilled enemy blood forms upon armor surface before cleaning(keeping the outline only) would be quite capable aircraft pilots, favored cqc weapon either an axe(chain or power) or a fist(power or chain), pick one.
For 4th legion - got a color scheme(gunmetal blue with silver/steel trim), unique decorations are castle wall and hazard stripe pattern, symbol is a cross between their pre-heresy iron mask and barad-dur tower from lord of the rings, favored cqc weapon a power breaching halberd(with a crowbar on the butt end of the haft for crowbar stuff), skilled tankers and gunners, current working title for them is wallbreakers. Almost got everyone done(the 3rd, 14th and 20th still don't have fixed color scheme yet).
I mean… the Lamenters did well against the Minotaurs despite that they lost. Minotaurs did take heavy casualties trying to take the Lamenter’s ship. So it can be said that the Lamenters did put up a good fight.
(My yellow bois are still shafted thanks to their Penant crusade to redeem themselves)
I mean i always thought of them as iron warriors. So iron warrior - warhound chimera does make some sense.
They are such assholes but still would love a novel or an omnibus about them. Feels like they could be pretty interesting to read about if done well. Personally I like the idea of them being just pure loyalist iron warriors. The chimeric geneseed is cool but these guys just put off such an iron warrior vibe that it makes sense to me
Make an Alpha legion video, please. I don't think you have anything with them other than horus heresy book summaries, and their lore is such a mess I have no idea where to even start.
Nobody, not even the authors, have any idea where to start. Or what their lore is anymore.
The plan is working then.
Hydra Dominatus
Spartan space marines... and just when you think they couldn't terrifying.
Does anyone else feel like there's no Roman chapter? I know the smurfs exist but they just seem like space Macedonians, or something else. No chapter seems Roman, although the fist might be close. Unless there's a chapter I don't know about, which is highly possible.
Look up some original Thunder Warrior art.
The high lords kill squad afterall of the inquisition can have there own personal marines so can the high lords
Everyone needs their own personal marines. The admech does, the Inquisition does, Ecclesiarchy unofficially does, the High Lords do, the Chaos Gods do, etc.
@@elysiankentarchy1531 exactly!
Regardless of their origin, i would love to see and confrontation between the Minotaurs' grinding ruthlessness and Death Guard's laid back but impossible perseverance.
@Arch Heard someone set Arch's house on fire?! Is this real?
If they are a combination of two chapters one is iron warriors. Its actually mentioned that they are iron warriors and i dont know if they have a second dad but they might have a mix of imperial fists.
Iron Warriors + World Eaters chimeric geneseed. There you go, mystery solved.
Another fine episode rich in lor. I thank you.
The start to an awesome weekend, with beer in hand and Arch playing, I am ready!
So the 2nd and 11th Legion?
Or a loyalists World Eaters?
Say arch is it possible for you to do a reaction to a 40k fan animation called Warheads?
i think the minotaurs distaste for the fellows is also based off of their passion for dealing with renegades... after all... all a loyalist is to them is a renegade in waiting.
The real question is "Who's the bigger asshole - the Minotaurs or the Iron Hands?"
Now how would a confrontation between the Marines Malevolent and the Minotaurs play out?🤔😁
Look at the guys it's the family of Roth child
I heard they are the surviving soldiers of the Thunder Warriors
Blackshields next hopefully.
Daily reminder that the Minotaurs did nothing wrong and the Lamenters totally deserved it.
8:52 maybe their Primark are the two primarks that are locked up underneath the Golden throne for all eternity😮🤔🤩