I have the Ti SPort.... The other day Jay Leno pulled up at the stoplight next to me... he was testing some old car... I rolled down my window and said love your show. he said "I love your car, it's one of the best looking cars out on the road" really made my day to get a compliment like that from Jay.
I think all three of mine are saying Genesis. I'd only consider a BMW if I could get like an m340i, but that's 17 grand above the Genesis and the maintenance costs are going to be awful
Couldn't have said it better myself. Alfa Romeo makes you fall in love. BMW looks the best on paper. Genesis won't cost you the equivalent of an undergraduate degree.
The sweet spot in the Giulia lineup is the Ti Sport. I've had mine for 30K miles and the sport seats, cold aluminum paddles, LSD and adaptive suspension are all magical. It's been very reliable despite being driven in anger and still looks new inside and out. 100 percent buying out my lease. Will be a very good value on the used market.
@@davideroncari6267 It lacks the feel of a great full manual system, but only takes a day or two to get used to smooth operation in traffic. The brakes themselves are plenty powerful and always deliver as asked so hard to complain too bad when the rest of the car is as sweet. Mopar extended warranties for the Giulia are very reasonably priced, which is the way I will be going. Doing your own maint will also save a lot of money.
I adds a two year lease with the same TI with all options including the adaptive cruise control. Miles better than the BMW Mercedes or Audi. Only issue is the dealership experience and getting it serviced at Dodge keep dealerships, it needs to be serviced at Maserati dealerships or else it will never win. It feels like it’s just one interior upgrade away from being the best of all. Unfortunately it probably will die due to poor sales
'23 Giulia Estrema here. LSD, carbon trim and adaptive suspension in Alfa Rosso. I cross shopped with the M340i, S4 and C43. Still went with the 4 cylinder. I took my car in for regular maintenance yesterday and booked some test drives with neighouring BMW, Lexus and Audi dealers, as my lease will be up next year. Test drove an M440i (no M340i available), Audi S5 and RCF coupe just to see what the V8 was like. The M440i felt very fast, much faster than the Alfa. But I didn't feel like I was really interacting or engaged with the car at the same level. The RCF was just hilarious, big and heavy, but the V8 sounded amazing. The Audi had the best interior, and was also fast but driving was meh. So in the end I drove a few hours back home, on a beautiful country road and am still very happy with my choice. The Alfa mechanic said it best, "It's like that perfect pair of jeans that just fits right."
I have a 2020 TI Sport Q4. Amazing car with a a perfect combination of ride quality, comfort, and sportiness. Zero issues so far. Beautiful car. I miss my 4C, but I drive the Giulia a lot more.
I have driven all three cars - not for hours but for several days. I have a manual E90 330i (sport package). I had to pass up on the F30 340i, G20 330i/M340i due to lack luster handling. The G70 Genesis drives more like at GT car than a sports sedan(too much body roll in the corners). The Alfa Romeo Giulia is the reincarnation of the E90 and is my next car.
I think the results of this test shows Todd and Paul's individual preferences. I found the G20 330i capable but it is completely true what Todd said about it doing its own thing and not involving you. You can turn it in and it hangs in very well but you don't feel anything from the steering or the chassis much. I haven't driven the other two but the BMW left me cold, it also sounds very synthesized now
Please !! BMW hasn't made a "special" 3 Series since the E90 era! From the F30 era forward, Bimmer has completely ruined the steering/road feel by moving to an Electric Rack ( much like Infinity did with the Q50 ) and the Chassis dynamics are not buttoned down like like the E90, or better yet, the E46. And not to nitpick, but the interior bits are plasticky and like something you'd find on a KIA Forte. And this is coming from a (former) BMW enthusiast. BMW obviously cares more about Marketing and making $ than the Driving experience.
As the owner of a Giulia Quadrifoglio I am petitioning BMW to change the "LUNGS" on the front of the new M 3 / M 4 because as they are always in my rear view mirror they are making me nauseous while I'm driving....Awaiting reply....
Yes I have. When I was looking to lease my B9 S4. The Giulia had the best and most engaging driving dynamics by far. Only reason I didn’t get it over the S4 is because the lease was terrible and the S4 sounds way better/has a nicer interior with more tech. @@omairsh8
The Giulia has more bolstering than either other car if you got the Ti Sport. I chose the Giulia over the other two and own a 2019 Ti Sport. It’s fantastic. It’s even the same color as the one in the video Montecarlo Blue.
Montecarlo Blue, I love that color on mine :) Great car. Nothing fancy inside except the bits you touch while driving.... Steering, Paddles... Seats.... A car ment to be enjoyed to the max. And I do enjoy mine every minute I am in it.
@@sofiaochoa2868 the latest models beat other foreign cars reliability rating in the top 5 out of 32 . I wouldn’t get an Alfa that’s under year 2020, get a new one and lease it you’ll be fine
I bought my Ti Sport Q4 May 2021, Monte Caro Blue, Yellow Calibers, Black/Ice interior. I love it, I did a 7,000 mile cross country trip this past year in it and it was flawless.
I got the blue G70 and love it. Yes, it felt like a bit of a gamble going with the new kid on the block, especially from a resale value perspective. But I'm confident that issue will dissipate over the next few years as the brand gains awareness, and I see Genesis doing the right things in that regard (e.g., sponsoring fancy golf tournaments). They won me over with head-turning design & performance, a really long warranty and service offer and 0.9% financing. The only other trade-off I'd mention is the dealership experience. Instead of having dedicated showrooms, like most luxury brands, Genesis cars are sold at Hyundai dealerships, at least in my area. Where I bought mine, they set up a Genesis "desk" in the corner of the regular Hyundai showroom. So the Genesis shopping experience felt rather shoestring compared to the white-glove bubbles of its rivals. Here too, I think that things will improve quickly. It seems clear now that the brand has gotten off the ground in the US market, so I expect dealers will quickly invest in separate brick and mortar and the viruous cycle can continue.
Here, in Cherry Hill, NJ, Our local dealer is setting up their own showroom. But, ther true dealer experience for me, was getting the car at a good price and then discovering that all the desired packages were baked in to that price. No surprises. And the concierge experience is amazing. Add that to the warranty, price and a fantastic car in the G70, it's no wonder I am in my second: Just got a great trade for my 2019 G70 because of the low (pandemic) miles and got a 2022 G70 premium sport with all the bells and whistles for only $50 more per month. Can't beat it.
@@dondaythe4th73Hey…did you end up with a G70? I’m going to check out a 2.0 version, Saturday. 25k/33k miles. Same color as the video car and has every package in 2019. Looks like a lot of car for the $. 🍻
My wife and just bought a 2021 Giulia and we are in love!! I think the new BMW’s are overpriced and bland but I do like almost everything coming from Hyundai/Genesis right now.
The Giulia was designed by skunkworks team unrelated to Fiat by Ex Ferrari engineers and they first engineered the QV model so the base version shares all the goodness of the QV with a lesser engine in it, but basically providing all the other benefits of the QV. The Giulia is much more unique than the other two and is way cooler
Great review! I purchased a G70 last June and I absolutely love it, I can’t wait to get it in every time. For the price, reliability, feel and looks...it’s awesome!
@@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast With German high end brands, nothing surprises me in regard to how much the options can add. Porsche is even worse - 10K for the ceramic brakes at one point in time. Looking at the 330i in here, I suspect it has the Sports Package for one. It used to be that that extending part on the front of the bottom seat cushion was the giveaway clue for sport seats. Add in some luxury packs or conveience packs and it starts to climb. I think you even pay more for colors other than a few basic non-metallic. Not trying to be critical of the brand. They make beautiful machines, but it doesn't come cheap and you sometimes have to add packages to get things that might be standard on the Genesis.
My dad has the guilia ti sport (here in europe called the véloce) and it's so fun to drive the handling is amazing, i can throw it into any corner and it sticks. Patiently waiting for him to buy a new car so i can get the guilia lol. We have alfa's for 20 years and we had 0 issues
Solid review. I shopped for a daily driver with a $50k budget and the G70 blew literally everything comparable out of the water. It's a criminally underrated car which makes it even more fun to drive around other car enthusiasts.
Went from a 3 series to a 2021 Giulia ( both 4cyl models) and I really like the Giulia much better. More fun to drive, looks better, and I think my two tone interior with leather dash and doors is so much nicer than BMWs boring approach to interior design. Glad I made the swap.
And you didn't mention the numb steering in the Bimmer, but any savvy Sports-Car enthusiast knows that BMW ruined the steering ( electric) after the much heralded E90 generation.
😂 You should be a grandpa driver 😀. I’m glad that customers like you leave the BMW brand… BMW is not for retarded drivers. BMW drives way better than Giulia
I love my Genesis G70. People are finally taking the brand seriously. 5 year bumper to bumper, 5 years of service included and you can't beat the power to price ratio :)
And yet, that particular 330i is still 10k more expensive than the loaded G70 3.3T lol. Crazy amount of car for the price! And yes, price still matters quite a lot in this segment, we're not talking about 100k+ cars where 10k is spare change
This video is interesting because from this point on was the downfall of BMW and rise of Genesis. Don’t get me wrong I’ve owned E92 and F32.. loved the look and drive but had issues after issues and had to sell both
@Digitalknifeparty I have a 2022 3.3tt with AWD and I Average about 21mpg Combined. Gas Milage is Horrible Compared to the BMW and Mercedes Benz V6 tt. But it is a Decent Road Car. On Long Road Trips (Hwy Driving only) I've Averaged close to 30mpg so If you don't live in an Area with a lot of Stop and Go Traffic It Levels Out. (Considering your Commute, I think you'll be Good as Long if you can get in Cruise Control) I guess the Combined Avg is so low do to the High Torque and AWD paired with the Vehicle weight (Almost 4,000 lbs) 🤷🏾♂️
You guys nailed it, I started last year looking at ND2 Miatas, but due to the WFH situation, it made little sense to keep 2 cars when only 1 was getting driven. So we downsized from an Alltrack and an Impreza to a Giulia Ti in red with the yellow calipers. I will get a Miata in a few years, but this just works for us now. Plus we can take road trips in extreme comfort. Hard to beat for $25k with 20k miles.
How has the Giulia been? I'm tempted to get one but I'm hesitant because of the perceived reliability issues. I don't have time to constantly fix anything or take it on weekly trips to the dealer.
@@chigasaki06 I joined a few Alfa fb groups and searched for reliability issues. seems like nothing major, only common trend I found was battery and software issues for the 2017 specifically
@@chigasaki06 I've owned a Q4 since 2017. When the battery has low voltage (if not driven enough for example), the electronics can act up. Aside from that, I had zero issues during ownership.
@@chigasaki06 my best friend got the veloce (ti sport in US). Spend my self driving the thing and it's a bliss. Pros: Best steering in a front mounted engine. Very fun to drive. Reliable. Great value for money. Stunning design. One of the safest things to drive in high wind. Cons: Breaks are weird. Even if you master their feel its still not great. Good for emergency stop tho. Fuel tank is weird. Takes forever to get to the half but then it's a race to the bottom pretty quickly. Scarry if you're in the middle of nowhere. No dipstic and the sensor can be unreliable. This engine burns oil. Not much but you have to top it up here and there. Engine is thirsty. May not be an issue in USA but here in Europe prices are mental. I drive audi and like a true German is very sensible, yet boring. In process to talk the missus into changing the vehicle.
I noticed one of you describe yourself as an auto journalist. And a light went off in my head. I follow a lot of car you tubers. You guys are the first ones that are true journalist. The descriptive language and color you guys use and provide is remarkable. It really helps me get a feeling of what the cars are. Just like a journalist writing a great column in a paper. It was so cool. Don’t know how I have not found this channel sooner. Big fan now
I've sat in the G70 and 3 series (not the Giulia), and I got most excited sitting in the 3 series. It felt futuristic and special. HOWEVER, I found the G70 to be the most comfortable and inviting. The ergonomics of the G70 just feels right, and the seats are sooooooo comfortable. I'm completely torn. My snobby self wants the 3 series, but I know that I will enjoy living with the G70 more.
Bought one myself. 2023 G70 3.3r sport prestige. Definitely a fun car to drive I'm very happy with it. And like others have mentioned you can't beat the warranty.
I’ve been lucky to own two of these! The genesis takes the cake for luxury and speed, and the Alfa is the winner for being a fun summer car that darts around and gets amazing mpg when you want it to. I loved it because you could steer it with literally just your pinky finger, and that saved me one time coming around a corner sideways at 120 mph. You can’t go wrong with any of these!
Have a Giulia Ti Sport (paddles, 8-way adjustable sports seats, wider staggered rear tires, 19 inch Quad-style wheels). The steering and ride/handling is so so good and it’s fast. You don’t need the LSD or adjustable suspension. And its been totally reliable.
@@375Cheytac it better, considering the Alfa is using tech from 2015(when it was released), while the Genesis is a brand new generational platform released in 2021. Putting gadgets aside, the alfa destroys the genesis in every other category that matters to people that care about the driving dynamics of a proper sports saloon. Hyundai has no clue on how to compete in this segment and they really don't need to since more people are gravitating towards convenience in this area. Kia's best sports platform used on the The stinger and this car are a joke compared to the Giorgio platform. Most people today desire a luxury car with sporty performance sprinkled on top, hence why the BMW's are popular.
@@paulj9821 have you driven the Genesis? Do you think Hyundai just picked up the rear wheel drive architecture from some kind of an automotive mega store? lol Hyundai is not a struggling company like Fiat and has one of the biggest muscles in develeloping new cars with the legendary designers and engineers from all over the world. It's funny how you talk about lagging behind in techology is something to brag about for Giulia rofl. FYI, the G70 was first introduced in 2016 but made many improvements over its lifespan as well as a refresh to stay current and relevant. What about Alfa? Being lazy is not a very good virtue anymore. To sum it up, G70 is one of the most dynamic sports sedan in the world, bar none, featuring ultra high strength steel for strength and light-weight. There is a reason why it has won the car of the year and accolades all over the planet. Drive one, and then talk.
@@mapletree4283 It's as if instead of actually understanding what I previously typed you choose instead t have taken things personally and that has clouded your judgment. Also you know next to nothing about the modern automotive industry. Oh and I have driven stinger's and the G80 and 2019 G70. The real question is have you driven a proper modern sport's saloon(trick question because very few that a true saloon exist today and instead we get G70's, Pseudo BMW's that have strayed so far away from their original mission statement, etc..). See I ask this because based on your comments it's rather evident you lack experience. Besides you don't even want a true Saloon. You want Luxury with above average sport(nothing wrong with that). The problem here is you and I belong to two different demographic's. I own the 85K Quadrifoglio and Kia has nothing that can even remotely touch such an advanced platform and yet you call ALFA lazy. In fact the Giorgio platform is considered by many enthusiast's and journalists in the industry to be one of the best platform's ever made in the past 10 years under 100K. The Giulia TI is a severely cut down version of the Quadrifoglio in order to make it affordable and does not represent it's true capabilities and even then it's still the absolute best in class for driving dynamics and even KIA's most advanced platform that isn't even a year old still falls short of FIAT's 6 year platform. You understand FIAT since the 60's has owned and operated Ferrari. That this Platform and Car was designed by Ferrari's top engineers. The Giorgio Platform cost a Whooping $4 billion to develop and they did all this in 2.5 years. Platform as advanced as this usually take 4-5 years such as BMW, Audi and Merc. That is a monumental achievement but then again it did cost $4 billion and they had take away for 2 years some of the most talented engineers at Ferrari for this. Yet you claim FIAT lags behind KIA who can't even touch a 6 year old platform. Even BMW publicly congratulated ALFA for there Gorgio platform and said they will easily get 10 years before even considering designing a new one. That was how impressed BMW was when the Giulia was unveiled. We won't even get into engines since we all know KIA is outclassed easily. You call Alfa lazy and yet they have one of the best V6 biTurbo engines ever made. It outclasses AMG's engine(was even 5 years ahead) and it better since it's a Ferrari 154 derived engine(meaning the base foundation so it's design was built on the 154 architecture) with an additional $200,000,000 in development to further refine the engine for it's design goal. Oh and why is it that large majority of Stinger owners have debadge their vehicle. They're ashamed of the brand name. Now this may be shocking to you but I love KIA/Hyundai as a brand. I just take issue when you think that they are ahead when it comes to building a proper sport's saloon. The German's and Italians dominate that segment and if FIAT didn't have ownership/Control(public now) than the Italians wouldn't have a top tier sports saloon. If my budget was $50k tops I would go with KIA over all the German brands and ALFA. The TI is a great vehicle but it's not the original design and intention of what the engineers built which is the Quadrifoglio. The KIA IMHO is the better buy for the average consumer since they favor interior comfort and modern gadget over performance. However when one has more money to play with KIA is no longer an option for me
@@paulj9821 haha average cost in developing a new car is 6 billion dollars. But I get your point... 4 billion dollars to develop poor selling Giulia lol No wonder they are failing as a company. Haha. Please talk to me after Giulia actually wins something concrete and measurable. I could also say all enthusiasts and critics rave about the G70 but it doesn't hold water if you can't provide the facts. ;)
I have the exact same G70 sport they tested in sliver. I have driven the other two and G70 hands down is a complete BEAST! Amazing what Genesis has done with this vehicle.
@@excess.subiefl0w For me it was better looks (subjective I guess), waaayy faster and with the shorter wheelbase it's more agile. Also has a nicer interior and the after service is on another level.
100% agree! Pulled the trigger beginning of 2020 on the G70! Very happy with the purchase.. test drove 3-series, A4 and S4, and C-Class.. Just couldn't bring myself to spend $15-$20k more for less car and for a brand name..
@@excess.subiefl0w the stinger drives like a fat cow. Ride quality is also very “Kia”. I hated it every second. The G70’ is better. I still ultimately chose the Alfa and I’m glad I did.
Love the review, my wife has a 2019 Giulia Ti Sport. She and I both loves the car, so far it’s been very reliable. I just got a 2021 M340i last month, it’s an awesome car and it’s great to see it compare to the giulia
@@AM4project that's great to know. I have a Mk7 GTI currently, its going to be hard to give up but eventually ill have to. The Alfa seems like the logical upgrade
I just bought a 2019 nero black ti sport with red interior 3 days ago and 10k miles. I absolutely love it and still can't believe we have one. I've been like a little kid in a candy shop. The car drives like a dream and I think it's beautiful looking inside and especially the outside.
The seats on the TI Sport package are a million times better than the seats in the one you drove. Had a ti sport for almost 2 years now it's been amazing.
Alfa was the most advanced car, best in all aspects, but the fake anti Alfa propaganda promoted by its rivalry damaged it very badly making people believe the opposite.
I just bought my fully loaded 2018 Q4 ti with 20k miles for under 27, this car is an absolute blast and a head-turner. I get stopped all the time by car guys appreciating the brand. The biggest lack from a sports car is the sound, but with the aftermarket, you can really bring it alive. If you want a bit more there's always Chip tuning too. One other perk to is being so few out there you feel like you have something really special where you can go weeks at a time without seeing another.
True, got mine 2020 Q4 Ti Sport with literally all the packages (except nero as I like silver on blue) and I'm loving her! I have her for just over 2 months now and only have seen 2 other Guilias so far on the road here in Toronto. With the sports package, LSD and Adaptive Suspension, when you put her in Dynamic, it feels like you're driving whole another car!! Q4 is good too, haven't had any single issue in Winter on default Turanza.
Well, they are certainly not as popular as the BMW. However, here in South Florida, I see those every single day to and from work. Multiple times too. They sell great in south Florida. That g70, however, is rarely seen down here. Then again, the south Florida car market is unlike anywhere else in the country.
@@Jacobk66 Yeah as a G70 owner, I think the 3-series blows the G70 out of the water when it comes to tech. It's not really a priority of mine when it comes to cars, though.
@@joetrombkaii997 The quality of the tech, I guess is what I'm referring to. It would be nice to have a digital gauge cluster and a larger nav screen with Genesis-specific software, although all of those are coming for the 2022 refresh.
I got a Giulia Sprint 2021MY. it is supposed to be the "base", but with a couple of nice options is absolutely a blast. I traded my Stinger GT2 for the Giulia !! Stinger 365hp was unable to do what this 280hp Giulia can do. Although it was AWD and had all the electronic, I never felt "safe" driving close to the limit. Stinger platform is not Alfa Romeo Giorgio. Genesis is the same story. Yes, I do not have shift pads BUT I feel a great retro feeling when I manually shift with the shift "stick". I drove sticks all my life, so for me moving my hand to the stick to operate comes normal. Pads are beautiful, are not game changers. IMPORTANT: the gearbox in the Giulia is a TRUE manual - you shift and you hit the limiter. Can't talk for the BMW, but the gearbox in the Genesis is like the Stinger, it will upshift or downshift for you or negate you to do so, it's a "fake" manual mode. Bottom line? once you drive a Giulia, you will never go back... and.. then you will trade your Giulia in the future for a used .... QUADRIFOGLIO :)
I bought the G70 2.0 for 37k, stickered for 46k loaded except for big motor and 4 wd and I love it. Feels great, quite, and handles great. It feels very well put together and everyone that’s rode in it has been impressed with the comfort of it. Even the feeling when you close the door. 10 year warranty and 3yr service, you just can’t beat it.
Agree fully, I bought my 2019 g70 3.3t Dynamic Edition for $38,250 with a mere 67 miles on odometer. MSRP was $52,250. I STILL love it ... 6- months later.
I don't even have to watch this all the way through to know I would go - 1) Alfa 2) Genesis ( gulp! lol ) then 3) BMW. Sadly, just 10 years ago, an E90 3 Series would smoke ALL other rivals, including the C-Class and G37. My, have times changed ...
Hey Todd and Paul. Long time subscriber and viewer here. Just wanted to thank you for your continued content. Really to appreciate the more mature, laid-back, and realistic style of your reviews.
in 2017 I got a Giulia because the F30 3-series was so terrible. In 2019 I went back to BMW. I really liked driving the Giulia but the interior/tech really let it down. In particular the base seats have no support or bolstering. When my 330i lease is up in 2022 I may go back to the Giulia but make sure to get the sport seats. They have also improved the tech substantially.
The G70 is better for one reason. Biermann makes it better. Give a world class engineer a chance to build his baby and you get the G70. Biermann also hired some of his fellow engineers from BMW, so that explains it, too. Don't forget the G70 is right out of the gate. The establishment and their lunch, is about to be eaten by Genesis. Brand snobs will never quite understand this car.
"Don't forget the G70 is right out of the gate" > Could you try to elaborate a little more here. Not entierly sure what you are saying here. That they got it right from day one?
@@mr.c3939 My opinion is not formulated from a sales position, but from the engineering Albert Biermann performed on this car. You know who he is, right? If not then look him up. It'll all make sense.
@@mr.c3939 in retrospect, Genesis probably should of release the GV70-GV90 first over the sedans. People aren’t buying sedans like they used to. With that being said, Genesis killed it with the g70-g90 sedans. Let’s be honest for a second, there are a segment of buyers who are buying the Germans just on name recognization alone.
Have a 19 Guilia TI sport and it is incredible on a twisty road. Scared my wife to death several times and the car just begged for more. Not darty just smooth and in control. Absolutely amazing! The Monte Carlo blue puts all other blues to shame. Mine is wrapped and ceramic coated and looks better than new! Unbelievably beautiful car! And 35 mpg!!
My folks had a 2012 F series 328i that they drove up until last year when they traded it on a 2019 330i. Having driven the 2012 quite a bit I was amazed at how much better the new G series car is. It's quick, extremely quiet, very comfortable, well built and efficient in most circumstances. Talk about a generational leap!
I’ve got a Porsche Macan Turbo which is fantastic, but I’m just SO done with paying for $300 oil changes and $2k for brakes and $1500 for tires. I’m really liking the G70 because its 90% of a German car’s capability but costs less than half! Yes I would miss that Porsche experience but I think the G70 would pretty much fill that hole in my heart for performance AND luxury, which seems hard to come by these days since everything is either one or the other.
Very good review. Consistency instead of appearance. BMW is a great car, better interior quality and more gadgets....no discussion on that. The Alfa is more refined under the "skin" with a double wishbone suspension ( other two are on less expensive and complex McPerson) and the carbon-fiber propeller shaft. It is unbelivable that after 5 years this Alfa still competent and competitive on the market....what a machine!
@@edtaggart9779 meh give it some time, thats what they said about the Japanese ones too. Koreans are tenacious and smart ass people, they'll prove you wrong :P
Just got a 2020 bmw 330i xdrive with m package and other popular options for under 43k. It's worth the price for a used one and drives and handles excellent. Blue color definitely stands out.
I own a Genesis G70 2020 3.3 twin turbo. I love it. For the $ you will have a hard time beating the value. It’s fully loaded. The 2 things that would take this car over the top would be upping the HP to more like 450. Then the exhaust note need more of a burble and could use dynamic baffles so you could open and close them when you want. Thanks!
Got my G70 3 months ago after comparing these 3 (and a few others), no regrets. 3.3L twin-turbo, AWD w/ rear limited-slip. Feels a little heavy (all-season tires don't help) but more grip than expected, tons of power and just a great cruiser. Beautiful white interior that feels much more special than the others. And buttons! Plus got it for much cheaper than the other options and reliability has shown these to be above average. Plus maintenance costs are closer to Kia than BMW, so even better! So sad it's not selling well...
Maybe I just have a weirdly shaped ass, but I never understood why people thought BMW had "the best seats in class." I always thought they were super stiff and uncomfortable, being only marginally better than the TLX's. Regardless, for me it's the Giulia Ti Sport, no contest. Superbly comfortable seats coupled with the best handling car I've driven this side of Porsche.
Bought a Giulia Veloce as a daily for my wife a year ago. We were looking for something that was readily available, no wait, etc., at a modest price, to replace her m235i. Took it around the city and for long drives and quite enjoyed it. Ended up ordering another Giulia Veloce for myself, the purpose being a daily I’d enjoy driving, ticked all the boxes when ordering. Barely touched my BMW M2C for weeks on end since having the Alfa, and then only to make sure the BMW wouldn’t rust sitting there. Sold M2C and kept the Alfa for being an excellent daily. Love it. No, it’s not as fast. But fast enough. Yes, the service is sketchy. Yes, extras and parts may be a PIA to get. Still beats those 2 BMWs as a daily in enjoyment department. Basically, sold 2 very driver-focused BMWs, very good ones in their own right, and got 2 Alfas because I liked them more.
If they brought the Giulia Ti Sport with the upgraded seats, paddle shifters, Q2 pack it would be #1 for both. Sucks they got a base press car instead. The only thing the BMW does better than the Alfa based on my test drives was it had better tech inside and it seemed to me for my driving position that it had better backseat room. I ended up getting the Alfa for most of the reasons they laid out. The driving experience is just better and you can tell immediately.
Did a 4-year lease of a 2017 340 xi... But got it manual. Safe to say, with the direction of gear boxes and electric cars, this will be a gem for many years to come. Time to buy out that bad boy
I've had a G70 for the last 36,ooo miles. With a few bolt on tweaks I put down 435 whp and 482 wtq ... My only regret is not getting AWD. Traction in my RWD version is a challenge at best. Thank God for nannies or my car would think it's a Mustang and drive off the road into crowds.
easy pick for the G70. you get more features and speed for waaaay less money, plus it's not so cookie cutter like the 3 series and unreliable like the alfa. it's also the most unique and (subjectively) beautiful with the 2022 refresh
If they had the Alfa TI sport the outcome would be much different. The sight of the Genesis seats makes me dizzy. ""Sitting in an Alfa Romeo feels like you're sitting in bar in Milano." - James May
The entire car is a mashup of parts coming from other car manufacturers. They do it more elegantly than Chinese brands but still, it's a mix of BMW, Audi, Mercedes, VW, Bentley, Mazda and probably others. That's why I'd never buy one of those. I don't like copycats.
Well done, the improved Alfa Romeo MY2020 model has been on the market for over a year and you are still showing the old model and still in a weak configuration. BMW is equipped with a great and new model. A big plus for objectivity 🤦
For all of you in 2022, I have bought myself a 12,000km 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Base model, and I modded the exhuast and the intake w/ a phase 2 tune. It makes the same power as the Genesis and makes it much more enjoyable to drive. You can get the paddles for $200 and install it yourself. I bought it for $40k CAD and it was absolutely worth every penny. I can't help but smile everytime I drive it. The fact that you can feel nervous and know that you're driving a car that no one else has for another 15 miles is the absolute best. It's definitely a teenager's car, I'm 21, which should makes sense why I gave up my 2021 Hyundai Santa Fe Ultimate Calligraphy for this beautiful italian masterpiece
As a all around car i found my personnal perfect fit in a 2020 audi s5 sportback but...... i m in love whit the tlx type S look styling and proportions and also that jiulia, i would try it in the veloce suit probably, what the futur tells me is ..... there are a lot of grate cars to ride out there. Love your show keep the good work
I have a bit of insight on this one since I have a 2020 330i and my wife has a 2021 G70 AWD 3.3T Sport. They're both great cars, make no mistake. The comment about the BMW riding worse than the G70 is because the 330i in the video has the M-Sport package which stiffens the suspension significantly. My wife's G70 is the Sport trim like the one in this video which has the upgraded suspension and lower profile tires and it rides much more firm and stiff than my 330i that does not have the M-Sport package. Without the M-Sport package the 330i is quite luxurious and is the better daily driver of the two. For kick you in the pants speed and handling we take out the G70. For runs to dinner and the pet store we take the 330i. Honestly, you can't go wrong with either.
The Alfa is for sure the best driving one here. I was on at a Hyundai dealership when Genesis started to break away. I helped run the first Genesis store in my state so I saw the G70 coming. But a BMW spec’d like the one here is the only one of the three that really blew my expectations out of the water. I have never been a 4-cyl BMW type of guys. But what BMW achieved with the amount of interior space available in the G20 is nothing short of amazing. The trunk is massive. The MPG I achieved just blew the EPA out of the water and this engine is no different than many of BMWs as it is underrated. Then the hands free driving. Sadly I can’t find one specd like the one in the video in the used market right now.
Not a fair test. The ti sport has a ton of changes. Better seats, better tires, lsd, paddles, suspension, modes, etc. It's a different car. It's like going from a base 911 to a gts.
Love to see your take on the Elantra N line. I just bought one here in Australia and our specs are quite different to yours in the US. The criticisms of this car in the US that I have seen, are answered in the Australian spec.
Great comparison, great video as usual. Something I'd be super-curious to see is you comparing the Tesla Model 3 to a couple of these, how it stands on its own, with all its flaws and benefits. I have one in LR AWD and it's the perfect daily but a real come down after my Porsche 944t even.
I tested them both, except it was the Y, not the three. Honestly, they were both really fantastic, but I'm buying the G. The driving experiences were similar, although I think the G handled a little better. Both did 60 in 4.4.
Driving a Stelvio QV, also have MB SUVs....this 'difficulty' in the drive by wire braking system in traffic is nonsense in my experience. It feels just fine, really no different subjectively than the MB. All 3 great cars...if you are a 'driver' - then it's the ALFA all day.
I drive an Alfa and I’ve driven the g70 I will say I love power and the genesis checks all of the boxes. The Alfa does too I just wish there was more performance aftermarket options to increase the power nonetheless it’s a great car. I hope they up power in some of the newer models I definitely will stay
I have the Ti SPort.... The other day Jay Leno pulled up at the stoplight next to me... he was testing some old car... I rolled down my window and said love your show. he said "I love your car, it's one of the best looking cars out on the road" really made my day to get a compliment like that from Jay.
I also drive a Ti sport and have seen jay a few times but never had the courage to say something haha he loves driving those old cars around ...
I also see Jay a few times and told me that he loves my car
Appreciate how jay is more humble and how he dislikes Ferarri’s elitism/arrogance
Is brake by wire a problem?
fake news
Heart says Alfa. Head says BMW. Wallet says Genesis.
Excellent comment!
I think head says Genesis. It can't get past the maintenance costs.
I think all three of mine are saying Genesis. I'd only consider a BMW if I could get like an m340i, but that's 17 grand above the Genesis and the maintenance costs are going to be awful
That’s why I have both at home.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Alfa Romeo makes you fall in love. BMW looks the best on paper. Genesis won't cost you the equivalent of an undergraduate degree.
The sweet spot in the Giulia lineup is the Ti Sport. I've had mine for 30K miles and the sport seats, cold aluminum paddles, LSD and adaptive suspension are all magical. It's been very reliable despite being driven in anger and still looks new inside and out. 100 percent buying out my lease. Will be a very good value on the used market.
Alfa is the one i would pick too
Your thoughts on the brake by wire and prospects of owning past 100k mile? These are my main concerns with the Alfa
@@davideroncari6267 It lacks the feel of a great full manual system, but only takes a day or two to get used to smooth operation in traffic. The brakes themselves are plenty powerful and always deliver as asked so hard to complain too bad when the rest of the car is as sweet. Mopar extended warranties for the Giulia are very reasonably priced, which is the way I will be going. Doing your own maint will also save a lot of money.
I adds a two year lease with the same TI with all options including the adaptive cruise control. Miles better than the BMW Mercedes or Audi. Only issue is the dealership experience and getting it serviced at Dodge keep dealerships, it needs to be serviced at Maserati dealerships or else it will never win. It feels like it’s just one interior upgrade away from being the best of all. Unfortunately it probably will die due to poor sales
My 2018 Ti Sport Q4 is at 56k miles.....love it! Handles like it is on rails and you rarely see another on the road
'23 Giulia Estrema here. LSD, carbon trim and adaptive suspension in Alfa Rosso. I cross shopped with the M340i, S4 and C43. Still went with the 4 cylinder. I took my car in for regular maintenance yesterday and booked some test drives with neighouring BMW, Lexus and Audi dealers, as my lease will be up next year. Test drove an M440i (no M340i available), Audi S5 and RCF coupe just to see what the V8 was like.
The M440i felt very fast, much faster than the Alfa. But I didn't feel like I was really interacting or engaged with the car at the same level. The RCF was just hilarious, big and heavy, but the V8 sounded amazing. The Audi had the best interior, and was also fast but driving was meh.
So in the end I drove a few hours back home, on a beautiful country road and am still very happy with my choice. The Alfa mechanic said it best, "It's like that perfect pair of jeans that just fits right."
I have a 2020 TI Sport Q4. Amazing car with a a perfect combination of ride quality, comfort, and sportiness. Zero issues so far. Beautiful car. I miss my 4C, but I drive the Giulia a lot more.
no issues with the stelvio, and the lease maint. costs- not bad at all.
I have driven all three cars - not for hours but for several days. I have a manual E90 330i (sport package). I had to pass up on the F30 340i, G20 330i/M340i due to lack luster handling. The G70 Genesis drives more like at GT car than a sports sedan(too much body roll in the corners). The Alfa Romeo Giulia is the reincarnation of the E90 and is my next car.
I think the results of this test shows Todd and Paul's individual preferences. I found the G20 330i capable but it is completely true what Todd said about it doing its own thing and not involving you. You can turn it in and it hangs in very well but you don't feel anything from the steering or the chassis much. I haven't driven the other two but the BMW left me cold, it also sounds very synthesized now
A BMW 3 series is many things but I'm not sure "special" is the word that comes to mind. It's like the default entry level luxury sedan
Please !! BMW hasn't made a "special" 3 Series since the E90 era! From the F30 era forward, Bimmer has completely ruined the steering/road feel by moving to an Electric Rack ( much like Infinity did with the Q50 ) and the Chassis dynamics are not buttoned down like like the E90, or better yet, the E46. And not to nitpick, but the interior bits are plasticky and like something you'd find on a KIA Forte. And this is coming from a (former) BMW enthusiast. BMW obviously cares more about Marketing and making $ than the Driving experience.
Yea, the best entry level sports luxury sedan you mean
The Alfa feels the most special. It’s the Italian flare.
@@NOrlando952 I would even go so far to say it's the Italian FLAIR... Lol 😎 😁
@@NOrlando952 too bad the reliability is worse than the bmw. would rather have the bimmer
As the owner of a Giulia Quadrifoglio I am petitioning BMW to change the "LUNGS" on the front of the new M 3 / M 4 because as
they are always in my rear view mirror they are making me nauseous while I'm driving....Awaiting reply....
make sure you get a competition lol
Does that mean the Quadrifoglio...takes your breath away?~
there are very few M3/4 on the street tbh
I saw a new m440i recently and it was hideous. I'll keep my 4 cylinder ti sport over that garbage
@@JStryker7 PREACH BROTHA....PREACH !!!!
Giulia. Best looking, most unique, by far the most engaging and fun to drive imo.
lost to g70 in a lightning lap, has brake problems, higher maintenance costs. Looks the most unique, for sure though.
I could care less about 0-60 or lap times. I care about driving dynamics, feel, emotion. For that the Giulia is far superior imo. @@keithbillings3649
Have you driven all 3 to judge the drive? Or are you basing it on what other people driving them are saying. Because that's almost pointless nowadays
Yes I have. When I was looking to lease my B9 S4. The Giulia had the best and most engaging driving dynamics by far. Only reason I didn’t get it over the S4 is because the lease was terrible and the S4 sounds way better/has a nicer interior with more tech. @@omairsh8
The Giulia has more bolstering than either other car if you got the Ti Sport. I chose the Giulia over the other two and own a 2019 Ti Sport. It’s fantastic. It’s even the same color as the one in the video Montecarlo Blue.
Just purchased the Giulia TiSport. In love with this car.
are alfa’s reliable?
Montecarlo Blue, I love that color on mine :)
Great car. Nothing fancy inside except the bits you touch while driving.... Steering, Paddles... Seats....
A car ment to be enjoyed to the max.
And I do enjoy mine every minute I am in it.
@@sofiaochoa2868 the latest models beat other foreign cars reliability rating in the top 5 out of 32 . I wouldn’t get an Alfa that’s under year 2020, get a new one and lease it you’ll be fine
I bought my Ti Sport Q4 May 2021, Monte Caro Blue, Yellow Calibers, Black/Ice interior. I love it, I did a 7,000 mile cross country trip this past year in it and it was flawless.
I got the blue G70 and love it. Yes, it felt like a bit of a gamble going with the new kid on the block, especially from a resale value perspective. But I'm confident that issue will dissipate over the next few years as the brand gains awareness, and I see Genesis doing the right things in that regard (e.g., sponsoring fancy golf tournaments). They won me over with head-turning design & performance, a really long warranty and service offer and 0.9% financing. The only other trade-off I'd mention is the dealership experience. Instead of having dedicated showrooms, like most luxury brands, Genesis cars are sold at Hyundai dealerships, at least in my area. Where I bought mine, they set up a Genesis "desk" in the corner of the regular Hyundai showroom. So the Genesis shopping experience felt rather shoestring compared to the white-glove bubbles of its rivals. Here too, I think that things will improve quickly. It seems clear now that the brand has gotten off the ground in the US market, so I expect dealers will quickly invest in separate brick and mortar and the viruous cycle can continue.
Here, in Cherry Hill, NJ, Our local dealer is setting up their own showroom. But, ther true dealer experience for me, was getting the car at a good price and then discovering that all the desired packages were baked in to that price. No surprises. And the concierge experience is amazing. Add that to the warranty, price and a fantastic car in the G70, it's no wonder I am in my second: Just got a great trade for my 2019 G70 because of the low (pandemic) miles and got a 2022 G70 premium sport with all the bells and whistles for only $50 more per month. Can't beat it.
@@TONGUES742 nice man do you recommend the 2019 they have one here 14.7k miles for $27.7k dealer price
@@dondaythe4th73Hey…did you end up with a G70? I’m going to check out a 2.0 version, Saturday. 25k/33k miles. Same color as the video car and has every package in 2019. Looks like a lot of car for the $. 🍻
@@jimmyBside I didn’t I’m actually shopping for an Acura tlx, Lexus is 300 or civic type r (2021+) for these models
My wife and just bought a 2021 Giulia and we are in love!! I think the new BMW’s are overpriced and bland but I do like almost everything coming from Hyundai/Genesis right now.
The Giulia was designed by skunkworks team unrelated to Fiat by Ex Ferrari engineers and they first engineered the QV model so the base version shares all the goodness of the QV with a lesser engine in it, but basically providing all the other benefits of the QV. The Giulia is much more unique than the other two and is way cooler
Great review! I purchased a G70 last June and I absolutely love it, I can’t wait to get it in every time. For the price, reliability, feel and looks...it’s awesome!
59K for a 330i!?!? I feel sad for whoever falls victim to that.
That's close to what I paid for my new 2020 m340i so surprised a 330 can be optioned that high.
@@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast With German high end brands, nothing surprises me in regard to how much the options can add. Porsche is even worse - 10K for the ceramic brakes at one point in time. Looking at the 330i in here, I suspect it has the Sports Package for one. It used to be that that extending part on the front of the bottom seat cushion was the giveaway clue for sport seats. Add in some luxury packs or conveience packs and it starts to climb. I think you even pay more for colors other than a few basic non-metallic. Not trying to be critical of the brand. They make beautiful machines, but it doesn't come cheap and you sometimes have to add packages to get things that might be standard on the Genesis.
@@scottanthony3426 That's why we need more brands like hyundai. If genesis steals bmw customers, bmw won't charge stuck up price anymore.
Yah that is outrageous, sucker born every minute.
BMW heavily discounts. I got a 330i for my mother in law brother in law for 45K. It's a 55K car fully loaded
This BMW looks better than M3/4, but placing it next to Giulia shows how the car should look actually.
Ti Sport stands out
no.
Great comparison. Out of those three, I chose the G70 3.3T myself, and haven't regretted it at all. It's such a great car.
My next car! It's a lovely machine.
Better in reliability too
I bought a 2019 g70 3.3t Dynamic Edition and have not regretted it. Sublime machine...
Same, I love my G70, best car I've ever owned and I was previously German lover.
I love mine as well, very happy with the purchase!
My dad has the guilia ti sport (here in europe called the véloce) and it's so fun to drive the handling is amazing, i can throw it into any corner and it sticks. Patiently waiting for him to buy a new car so i can get the guilia lol. We have alfa's for 20 years and we had 0 issues
Solid review. I shopped for a daily driver with a $50k budget and the G70 blew literally everything comparable out of the water. It's a criminally underrated car which makes it even more fun to drive around other car enthusiasts.
Went from a 3 series to a 2021 Giulia ( both 4cyl models) and I really like the Giulia much better. More fun to drive, looks better, and I think my two tone interior with leather dash and doors is so much nicer than BMWs boring approach to interior design. Glad I made the swap.
Leather is even better in Alfa !!
And you didn't mention the numb steering in the Bimmer, but any savvy Sports-Car enthusiast knows that BMW ruined the steering ( electric) after the much heralded E90 generation.
Unfortunately 2-tone interior is gone for 2022 and they got rid of some nice colors.
😂
You should be a grandpa driver 😀.
I’m glad that customers like you leave the BMW brand…
BMW is not for retarded drivers.
BMW drives way better than Giulia
@13:14 Having owned a Giulia for 3 years, I can inform you that you´re wrong about the brakes. They work perfectly in slow traffic as well.
I love my Genesis G70. People are finally taking the brand seriously. 5 year bumper to bumper, 5 years of service included and you can't beat the power to price ratio :)
You must be in Canada. US gets 3 years 36k complementary maintenance.
Garbage G70
@@travelexplore9724 keep coping broke white boy
Just put it out there that G70 3.3t is competing with M sports and 43's although it is the same price as the 330i and Gulia
And yet, that particular 330i is still 10k more expensive than the loaded G70 3.3T lol. Crazy amount of car for the price! And yes, price still matters quite a lot in this segment, we're not talking about 100k+ cars where 10k is spare change
Wdym with "M sports"? You can get an entry 3 series with an M sports package if that's what you mean
@@JTM610 m sports as in m340i, the one below the m3.
Proud G70 owner. The 3.3 is an absolute beast for a luxury car.
I agreed
Me too. 2020 G70 3.3T in Siberian Ice. I am very pleased with my G70.
This video is interesting because from this point on was the downfall of BMW and rise of Genesis. Don’t get me wrong I’ve owned E92 and F32.. loved the look and drive but had issues after issues and had to sell both
How’s the gas on it? I’d love to get the 3.3T, but I drive an hour to and from work at least 2x a week.
@Digitalknifeparty I have a 2022 3.3tt with AWD and I Average about 21mpg Combined. Gas Milage is Horrible Compared to the BMW and Mercedes Benz V6 tt. But it is a Decent Road Car. On Long Road Trips (Hwy Driving only) I've Averaged close to 30mpg so If you don't live in an Area with a lot of Stop and Go Traffic It Levels Out. (Considering your Commute, I think you'll be Good as Long if you can get in Cruise Control)
I guess the Combined Avg is so low do to the High Torque and AWD paired with the Vehicle weight (Almost 4,000 lbs) 🤷🏾♂️
You guys nailed it, I started last year looking at ND2 Miatas, but due to the WFH situation, it made little sense to keep 2 cars when only 1 was getting driven. So we downsized from an Alltrack and an Impreza to a Giulia Ti in red with the yellow calipers.
I will get a Miata in a few years, but this just works for us now. Plus we can take road trips in extreme comfort. Hard to beat for $25k with 20k miles.
How has the Giulia been? I'm tempted to get one but I'm hesitant because of the perceived reliability issues. I don't have time to constantly fix anything or take it on weekly trips to the dealer.
@@chigasaki06 I joined a few Alfa fb groups and searched for reliability issues. seems like nothing major, only common trend I found was battery and software issues for the 2017 specifically
@@dadhats Thanks. I'll look more into it.
@@chigasaki06 I've owned a Q4 since 2017. When the battery has low voltage (if not driven enough for example), the electronics can act up. Aside from that, I had zero issues during ownership.
@@chigasaki06 my best friend got the veloce (ti sport in US). Spend my self driving the thing and it's a bliss.
Pros:
Best steering in a front mounted engine.
Very fun to drive.
Reliable.
Great value for money.
Stunning design.
One of the safest things to drive in high wind.
Cons:
Breaks are weird. Even if you master their feel its still not great. Good for emergency stop tho.
Fuel tank is weird. Takes forever to get to the half but then it's a race to the bottom pretty quickly. Scarry if you're in the middle of nowhere.
No dipstic and the sensor can be unreliable. This engine burns oil. Not much but you have to top it up here and there.
Engine is thirsty. May not be an issue in USA but here in Europe prices are mental.
I drive audi and like a true German is very sensible, yet boring. In process to talk the missus into changing the vehicle.
I noticed one of you describe yourself as an auto journalist. And a light went off in my head. I follow a lot of car you tubers. You guys are the first ones that are true journalist. The descriptive language and color you guys use and provide is remarkable. It really helps me get a feeling of what the cars are. Just like a journalist writing a great column in a paper. It was so cool. Don’t know how I have not found this channel sooner. Big fan now
Thank you for saying this. We’re glad to know our work resonates with you as intended. Glad to have you watching!
I've sat in the G70 and 3 series (not the Giulia), and I got most excited sitting in the 3 series. It felt futuristic and special. HOWEVER, I found the G70 to be the most comfortable and inviting. The ergonomics of the G70 just feels right, and the seats are sooooooo comfortable.
I'm completely torn. My snobby self wants the 3 series, but I know that I will enjoy living with the G70 more.
Get what you want, but I’ve realized that sometimes my snobby taste has led me astray
One word..WARRANTY!!
I was in the same position just bought a used 19 G70
Just bought a 21 G70 and I freaking love it.
Bought one myself. 2023 G70 3.3r sport prestige. Definitely a fun car to drive I'm very happy with it. And like others have mentioned you can't beat the warranty.
I’ve been lucky to own two of these! The genesis takes the cake for luxury and speed, and the Alfa is the winner for being a fun summer car that darts around and gets amazing mpg when you want it to. I loved it because you could steer it with literally just your pinky finger, and that saved me one time coming around a corner sideways at 120 mph.
You can’t go wrong with any of these!
Have a Giulia Ti Sport (paddles, 8-way adjustable sports seats, wider staggered rear tires, 19 inch Quad-style wheels). The steering and ride/handling is so so good and it’s fast. You don’t need the LSD or adjustable suspension. And its been totally reliable.
I’ll take the G70...365hp and the lowest price. Sounds like a winner to me
That’s why I traded my alfa for the genesis :) oh and also the tech in the genesis blows the Alfa away
@@375Cheytac it better, considering the Alfa is using tech from 2015(when it was released), while the Genesis is a brand new generational platform released in 2021. Putting gadgets aside, the alfa destroys the genesis in every other category that matters to people that care about the driving dynamics of a proper sports saloon. Hyundai has no clue on how to compete in this segment and they really don't need to since more people are gravitating towards convenience in this area. Kia's best sports platform used on the The stinger and this car are a joke compared to the Giorgio platform. Most people today desire a luxury car with sporty performance sprinkled on top, hence why the BMW's are popular.
@@paulj9821 have you driven the Genesis? Do you think Hyundai just picked up the rear wheel drive architecture from some kind of an automotive mega store? lol Hyundai is not a struggling company like Fiat and has one of the biggest muscles in develeloping new cars with the legendary designers and engineers from all over the world. It's funny how you talk about lagging behind in techology is something to brag about for Giulia rofl. FYI, the G70 was first introduced in 2016 but made many improvements over its lifespan as well as a refresh to stay current and relevant. What about Alfa? Being lazy is not a very good virtue anymore. To sum it up, G70 is one of the most dynamic sports sedan in the world, bar none, featuring ultra high strength steel for strength and light-weight. There is a reason why it has won the car of the year and accolades all over the planet. Drive one, and then talk.
@@mapletree4283 It's as if instead of actually understanding what I previously typed you choose instead t have taken things personally and that has clouded your judgment. Also you know next to nothing about the modern automotive industry. Oh and I have driven stinger's and the G80 and 2019 G70. The real question is have you driven a proper modern sport's saloon(trick question because very few that a true saloon exist today and instead we get G70's, Pseudo BMW's that have strayed so far away from their original mission statement, etc..). See I ask this because based on your comments it's rather evident you lack experience. Besides you don't even want a true Saloon. You want Luxury with above average sport(nothing wrong with that). The problem here is you and I belong to two different demographic's. I own the 85K Quadrifoglio and Kia has nothing that can even remotely touch such an advanced platform and yet you call ALFA lazy. In fact the Giorgio platform is considered by many enthusiast's and journalists in the industry to be one of the best platform's ever made in the past 10 years under 100K. The Giulia TI is a severely cut down version of the Quadrifoglio in order to make it affordable and does not represent it's true capabilities and even then it's still the absolute best in class for driving dynamics and even KIA's most advanced platform that isn't even a year old still falls short of FIAT's 6 year platform.
You understand FIAT since the 60's has owned and operated Ferrari. That this Platform and Car was designed by Ferrari's top engineers. The Giorgio Platform cost a Whooping $4 billion to develop and they did all this in 2.5 years. Platform as advanced as this usually take 4-5 years such as BMW, Audi and Merc. That is a monumental achievement but then again it did cost $4 billion and they had take away for 2 years some of the most talented engineers at Ferrari for this. Yet you claim FIAT lags behind KIA who can't even touch a 6 year old platform. Even BMW publicly congratulated ALFA for there Gorgio platform and said they will easily get 10 years before even considering designing a new one. That was how impressed BMW was when the Giulia was unveiled.
We won't even get into engines since we all know KIA is outclassed easily. You call Alfa lazy and yet they have one of the best V6 biTurbo engines ever made. It outclasses AMG's engine(was even 5 years ahead) and it better since it's a Ferrari 154 derived engine(meaning the base foundation so it's design was built on the 154 architecture) with an additional $200,000,000 in development to further refine the engine for it's design goal. Oh and why is it that large majority of Stinger owners have debadge their vehicle. They're ashamed of the brand name. Now this may be shocking to you but I love KIA/Hyundai as a brand. I just take issue when you think that they are ahead when it comes to building a proper sport's saloon. The German's and Italians dominate that segment and if FIAT didn't have ownership/Control(public now) than the Italians wouldn't have a top tier sports saloon. If my budget was $50k tops I would go with KIA over all the German brands and ALFA. The TI is a great vehicle but it's not the original design and intention of what the engineers built which is the Quadrifoglio. The KIA IMHO is the better buy for the average consumer since they favor interior comfort and modern gadget over performance. However when one has more money to play with KIA is no longer an option for me
@@paulj9821 haha average cost in developing a new car is 6 billion dollars. But I get your point... 4 billion dollars to develop poor selling Giulia lol No wonder they are failing as a company. Haha. Please talk to me after Giulia actually wins something concrete and measurable. I could also say all enthusiasts and critics rave about the G70 but it doesn't hold water if you can't provide the facts. ;)
I have the exact same G70 sport they tested in sliver. I have driven the other two and G70 hands down is a complete BEAST! Amazing what Genesis has done with this vehicle.
Owning a TI sport myself I can tell you first hand it’s even better than the standard
I have the G70 3.3.. trust me. Do it. It’s an awesome car
What made you choose the g70 over the stinger?
@@excess.subiefl0w For me it was better looks (subjective I guess), waaayy faster and with the shorter wheelbase it's more agile. Also has a nicer interior and the after service is on another level.
100% agree! Pulled the trigger beginning of 2020 on the G70! Very happy with the purchase.. test drove 3-series, A4 and S4, and C-Class.. Just couldn't bring myself to spend $15-$20k more for less car and for a brand name..
@@excess.subiefl0w the stinger drives like a fat cow. Ride quality is also very “Kia”. I hated it every second. The G70’ is better. I still ultimately chose the Alfa and I’m glad I did.
I wish they did the 3.3 with the manual. The 2.0T drives really well but the engine is so devoid of soul and passion.
Love the review, my wife has a 2019 Giulia Ti Sport. She and I both loves the car, so far it’s been very reliable. I just got a 2021 M340i last month, it’s an awesome car and it’s great to see it compare to the giulia
how does the 340i compare? is the handling more worth than the speed you get with the bmw?
6 weeks to go and I can call myself an Alfa Veloce owner. Can’t wait. First purchase since a long time where I followed my heart...
FOLLOW HEART YOU WILL BE MUCH HAPPIER
The Alfa with the performance pack is on my short list, this video just made me want it more.
love mine - zero issue all smiles
@@AM4project that's great to know. I have a Mk7 GTI currently, its going to be hard to give up but eventually ill have to. The Alfa seems like the logical upgrade
Alfa is what we went for - all smiles per miles!
I just bought a 2019 nero black ti sport with red interior 3 days ago and 10k miles. I absolutely love it and still can't believe we have one. I've been like a little kid in a candy shop. The car drives like a dream and I think it's beautiful looking inside and especially the outside.
@Laetitia Eschke congrats, great color choice.
The seats on the TI Sport package are a million times better than the seats in the one you drove. Had a ti sport for almost 2 years now it's been amazing.
Alfa was the most advanced car, best in all aspects, but the fake anti Alfa propaganda promoted by its rivalry damaged it very badly making people believe the opposite.
I just bought my fully loaded 2018 Q4 ti with 20k miles for under 27, this car is an absolute blast and a head-turner.
I get stopped all the time by car guys appreciating the brand. The biggest lack from a sports car is the sound, but with the aftermarket, you can really bring it alive.
If you want a bit more there's always Chip tuning too.
One other perk to is being so few out there you feel like you have something really special where you can go weeks at a time without seeing another.
Congrats. I just did too. I'm loving it.
Love the Guilia. I first drove one 4 years ago and was blown away, but I work for another Detroit OEM. I still tell everyone to test drive one.
True, got mine 2020 Q4 Ti Sport with literally all the packages (except nero as I like silver on blue) and I'm loving her! I have her for just over 2 months now and only have seen 2 other Guilias so far on the road here in Toronto. With the sports package, LSD and Adaptive Suspension, when you put her in Dynamic, it feels like you're driving whole another car!! Q4 is good too, haven't had any single issue in Winter on default Turanza.
Well, they are certainly not as popular as the BMW. However, here in South Florida, I see those every single day to and from work. Multiple times too. They sell great in south Florida. That g70, however, is rarely seen down here. Then again, the south Florida car market is unlike anywhere else in the country.
@@SUTTy718 Same - Lol
BMW and Alfa to lease. G70 to own coz best tech, warranty, concierge service etc..
Tech? Over the BMW? That’s a joke. Also the dealers aren’t very good in most areas.
@@Jacobk66 Yeah as a G70 owner, I think the 3-series blows the G70 out of the water when it comes to tech. It's not really a priority of mine when it comes to cars, though.
@@peteyification Which tech? I think he's referring to those amenities like lane keeping, adaptive cruise, cameras, ventilated seats, etc.
@@joetrombkaii997 The quality of the tech, I guess is what I'm referring to. It would be nice to have a digital gauge cluster and a larger nav screen with Genesis-specific software, although all of those are coming for the 2022 refresh.
@@joetrombkaii997 Yes these tech features which we use regularly.
I got a Giulia Sprint 2021MY. it is supposed to be the "base", but with a couple of nice options is absolutely a blast. I traded my Stinger GT2 for the Giulia !! Stinger 365hp was unable to do what this 280hp Giulia can do. Although it was AWD and had all the electronic, I never felt "safe" driving close to the limit. Stinger platform is not Alfa Romeo Giorgio. Genesis is the same story.
Yes, I do not have shift pads BUT I feel a great retro feeling when I manually shift with the shift "stick". I drove sticks all my life, so for me moving my hand to the stick to operate comes normal. Pads are beautiful, are not game changers. IMPORTANT: the gearbox in the Giulia is a TRUE manual - you shift and you hit the limiter. Can't talk for the BMW, but the gearbox in the Genesis is like the Stinger, it will upshift or downshift for you or negate you to do so, it's a "fake" manual mode.
Bottom line? once you drive a Giulia, you will never go back... and.. then you will trade your Giulia in the future for a used .... QUADRIFOGLIO :)
Own a G70. Would own nothing else. Beautiful car that's well appointed.
I bought the G70 2.0 for 37k, stickered for 46k loaded except for big motor and 4 wd and I love it. Feels great, quite, and handles great. It feels very well put together and everyone that’s rode in it has been impressed with the comfort of it. Even the feeling when you close the door. 10 year warranty and 3yr service, you just can’t beat it.
Agree fully, I bought my 2019 g70 3.3t Dynamic Edition for $38,250 with a mere 67 miles on odometer. MSRP was $52,250. I STILL love it ... 6- months later.
@@TiminNFL where y’all finding these deals is about to buy a used 19 for 38k with 20k miles
Thanks for putting together a great show, every show, every time. Thanks!
I was saying this in my head before I read your comment.
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriver how about you collaborate with Doug to review the Apollo IE and De Tomaso P.
This is a channel you only think about when it's randomly recommended to you. Then instantly forget.
I don't even have to watch this all the way through to know I would go - 1) Alfa 2) Genesis ( gulp! lol ) then 3) BMW. Sadly, just 10 years ago, an E90 3 Series would smoke ALL other rivals, including the C-Class and G37. My, have times changed ...
Oh how the mighty have fallen, I agree with everything you said.
Hey Todd and Paul. Long time subscriber and viewer here. Just wanted to thank you for your continued content. Really to appreciate the more mature, laid-back, and realistic style of your reviews.
I think the Alfa with the upgraded toys would’ve been a lot better and made it come alive. Curious what the 2.0T G70 would’ve done in the group
It would have ended 4th place lol
@Scott Cole You get what you pay for, cheaper car = lesser performer.
They have to give you a twin turbo V6 just to compete.... 😂 No thanks...
in 2017 I got a Giulia because the F30 3-series was so terrible. In 2019 I went back to BMW. I really liked driving the Giulia but the interior/tech really let it down. In particular the base seats have no support or bolstering. When my 330i lease is up in 2022 I may go back to the Giulia but make sure to get the sport seats. They have also improved the tech substantially.
Alfa all the way. ♥️
The G70 is better for one reason.
Biermann makes it better.
Give a world class engineer a chance to build his baby and you get the G70.
Biermann also hired some of his fellow engineers from BMW, so that explains it, too.
Don't forget the G70 is right out of the gate.
The establishment and their lunch, is about to be eaten by Genesis.
Brand snobs will never quite understand this car.
"Don't forget the G70 is right out of the gate" > Could you try to elaborate a little more here. Not entierly sure what you are saying here. That they got it right from day one?
@@paulj9821 Their first attempt in the luxury compact segment and they nailed it.
Considering BMW sold more X7's in the U.S last year then Genesis sold as an entire brand, your statement is opinion. Not factual.
@@mr.c3939 My opinion is not formulated from a sales position, but from the engineering Albert Biermann performed on this car. You know who he is, right? If not then look him up. It'll all make sense.
@@mr.c3939 in retrospect, Genesis probably should of release the GV70-GV90 first over the sedans. People aren’t buying sedans like they used to. With that being said, Genesis killed it with the g70-g90 sedans.
Let’s be honest for a second, there are a segment of buyers who are buying the Germans just on name recognization alone.
Have a 19 Guilia TI sport and it is incredible on a twisty road. Scared my wife to death several times and the car just begged for more. Not darty just smooth and in control. Absolutely amazing! The Monte Carlo blue puts all other blues to shame. Mine is wrapped and ceramic coated and looks better than new! Unbelievably beautiful car! And 35 mpg!!
Beautiful car, glad you enjoy it. Thanks for watching!
My folks had a 2012 F series 328i that they drove up until last year when they traded it on a 2019 330i. Having driven the 2012 quite a bit I was amazed at how much better the new G series car is. It's quick, extremely quiet, very comfortable, well built and efficient in most circumstances. Talk about a generational leap!
I’ve got a Porsche Macan Turbo which is fantastic, but I’m just SO done with paying for $300 oil changes and $2k for brakes and $1500 for tires. I’m really liking the G70 because its 90% of a German car’s capability but costs less than half! Yes I would miss that Porsche experience but I think the G70 would pretty much fill that hole in my heart for performance AND luxury, which seems hard to come by these days since everything is either one or the other.
I feel like you guys hacked my browsing history, then made a comparison vid of my top 3. One, get out of my head and two - thank you!
Very good review. Consistency instead of appearance. BMW is a great car, better interior quality and more gadgets....no discussion on that. The Alfa is more refined under the "skin" with a double wishbone suspension ( other two are on less expensive and complex McPerson) and the carbon-fiber propeller shaft. It is unbelivable that after 5 years this Alfa still competent and competitive on the market....what a machine!
Bmw interior is the oldest and almost the cheapest...
A shame that there's still a month or two before the new g70 is available for sale. the redesign looks considerably better in my opinion
Did you buy one sushi?
If I had to choose between the 330, the G70, and the Guilia, I’d probably have to go with the 4C.
Wait.
no one cares
@@saidalas7763 how to make people on UA-cam care
@@saidalas7763 sorry, thought this was Google
@@backroadblast6603 ha. Ha.
@@backroadblast6603 videos of the 4C or it didn't happen
Thanks for spending time expertly communicating how these cars FEEL to drive. Clear, interesting and helpful to us buyers 👍🙏
“Giulia stands out, it just does” Of course it does, it’s an Alfa! 👍
haahahahaaahahahaha
WONT BUY KOREAN
@@edtaggart9779 meh give it some time, thats what they said about the Japanese ones too. Koreans are tenacious and smart ass people, they'll prove you wrong :P
Just got a 2020 bmw 330i xdrive with m package and other popular options for under 43k. It's worth the price for a used one and drives and handles excellent. Blue color definitely stands out.
I own a Genesis G70 2020 3.3 twin turbo. I love it. For the $ you will have a hard time beating the value. It’s fully loaded. The 2 things that would take this car over the top would be upping the HP to more like 450. Then the exhaust note need more of a burble and could use dynamic baffles so you could open and close them when you want. Thanks!
What made you choose the g70 over the stinger?
Get a quick JB4 tune.
@@excess.subiefl0w I like the body better. The front end of the Kia didn’t entice me.
@@scottthomson9813 That’s what I’m hearing. Going to look into that.
@@excess.subiefl0w In my opinion the g70 is a better looking stinger
Got my G70 3 months ago after comparing these 3 (and a few others), no regrets. 3.3L twin-turbo, AWD w/ rear limited-slip. Feels a little heavy (all-season tires don't help) but more grip than expected, tons of power and just a great cruiser. Beautiful white interior that feels much more special than the others. And buttons! Plus got it for much cheaper than the other options and reliability has shown these to be above average. Plus maintenance costs are closer to Kia than BMW, so even better! So sad it's not selling well...
That 2.0 Turbo in that Gulia is a blast, my mother has a Stelvio Sport Ti and it can be difficult to keep it at legal speeds.
A SAAB 9-5 NG Aero?!!!!!!!
The 2.0 engine in the Giulia is not the ,,Hurricane" its the ,,Giorgio". The ,,Hurricane" version is built in Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge.
@@DonViToCRLNE are you going to kill him?
Wow I see you have a good taste (Saab 9-5 profile pic).
I imagine that you dont like the triangular grills
@@saidalas7763 see youre doing that on purpose now, you are ridicoulus.
Is your life that sad, that you have to follow me all over youtube?
Maybe I just have a weirdly shaped ass, but I never understood why people thought BMW had "the best seats in class." I always thought they were super stiff and uncomfortable, being only marginally better than the TLX's.
Regardless, for me it's the Giulia Ti Sport, no contest. Superbly comfortable seats coupled with the best handling car I've driven this side of Porsche.
I can’t see how the 3 series is “special” it’s the common car but definitely no wrong choice out of the 3
Better ergonomics in the interior, better materials in the interior.
It created this series. It's the one all manufacturer aims for.
Thanks, I get it now...it’s the benchmark and segment leader in the comp sports sedan segment and that makes it special
Bought a Giulia Veloce as a daily for my wife a year ago. We were looking for something that was readily available, no wait, etc., at a modest price, to replace her m235i. Took it around the city and for long drives and quite enjoyed it. Ended up ordering another Giulia Veloce for myself, the purpose being a daily I’d enjoy driving, ticked all the boxes when ordering. Barely touched my BMW M2C for weeks on end since having the Alfa, and then only to make sure the BMW wouldn’t rust sitting there. Sold M2C and kept the Alfa for being an excellent daily. Love it. No, it’s not as fast. But fast enough. Yes, the service is sketchy. Yes, extras and parts may be a PIA to get. Still beats those 2 BMWs as a daily in enjoyment department. Basically, sold 2 very driver-focused BMWs, very good ones in their own right, and got 2 Alfas because I liked them more.
Interesting. I replaced a M235i with a Giulia as well. No regrets.
thanks for another great review. G70 is the right choice here all the way!
Production levels on this video are awesome. Great entertainment guys.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriver ar least you picked the better car (one of you, actually).
The Bayarian one.
If they brought the Giulia Ti Sport with the upgraded seats, paddle shifters, Q2 pack it would be #1 for both. Sucks they got a base press car instead. The only thing the BMW does better than the Alfa based on my test drives was it had better tech inside and it seemed to me for my driving position that it had better backseat room. I ended up getting the Alfa for most of the reasons they laid out. The driving experience is just better and you can tell immediately.
Did a 4-year lease of a 2017 340 xi... But got it manual. Safe to say, with the direction of gear boxes and electric cars, this will be a gem for many years to come. Time to buy out that bad boy
how is the handling? is the clutch feel okay?
@@XxTahtohxXx no issues whatsoever
I have a Chevy SS, 2017
Exactly the same thoughts
Can't wait for New Genesis G70 review!
I've had a G70 for the last 36,ooo miles. With a few bolt on tweaks I put down 435 whp and 482 wtq ... My only regret is not getting AWD. Traction in my RWD version is a challenge at best. Thank God for nannies or my car would think it's a Mustang and drive off the road into crowds.
easy pick for the G70. you get more features and speed for waaaay less money, plus it's not so cookie cutter like the 3 series and unreliable like the alfa. it's also the most unique and (subjectively) beautiful with the 2022 refresh
the Alfa ti isn't unreliable, in fact the BMW has more reported issues.
alfa reliability was revitalized post-2021 model year
The alpha takes my heart 😎 Unfortunately the 280hp version doesn‘t come in manual. I think I‘d love that.
If they had the Alfa TI sport the outcome would be much different. The sight of the Genesis seats makes me dizzy. ""Sitting in an Alfa Romeo feels like you're sitting in bar in Milano." - James May
8:51 rear tail lights of the genesis remind me of the bmw 1(m) coupe’s rear
The entire car is a mashup of parts coming from other car manufacturers. They do it more elegantly than Chinese brands but still, it's a mix of BMW, Audi, Mercedes, VW, Bentley, Mazda and probably others. That's why I'd never buy one of those. I don't like copycats.
@@uport2 I love the use of the word 'copycat' like you're in the third grade.
Literally all vehicles use elements at this point...
Odd. Every time I saw the rear end of the G70 in the video, I thought "Why does that Volvo keep showing up?"
@@tim3172 Yeah but Genesis does it blatantly which is the point. A luxury car should not be a knockoff ever.
Traded my 2018 is350 f sport for the genesis 3.3t sport best decision, I absolutely love the car
Good swap! That is350 is way, way too weak down low.
Replaced the Bridgestone run flats and threw a can of fixaflat in the trunk on my 328 three years ago and never looked back. Like a different car
Well done, the improved Alfa Romeo MY2020 model has been on the market for over a year and you are still showing the old model and still in a weak configuration. BMW is equipped with a great and new model. A big plus for objectivity 🤦
For all of you in 2022, I have bought myself a 12,000km 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Base model, and I modded the exhuast and the intake w/ a phase 2 tune. It makes the same power as the Genesis and makes it much more enjoyable to drive. You can get the paddles for $200 and install it yourself. I bought it for $40k CAD and it was absolutely worth every penny. I can't help but smile everytime I drive it. The fact that you can feel nervous and know that you're driving a car that no one else has for another 15 miles is the absolute best. It's definitely a teenager's car, I'm 21, which should makes sense why I gave up my 2021 Hyundai Santa Fe Ultimate Calligraphy for this beautiful italian masterpiece
Beautiful landscaping. Anyway, Alfa for me.
As a all around car i found my personnal perfect fit in a 2020 audi s5 sportback but...... i m in love whit the tlx type S look styling and proportions and also that jiulia, i would try it in the veloce suit probably, what the futur tells me is ..... there are a lot of grate cars to ride out there. Love your show keep the good work
I have a bit of insight on this one since I have a 2020 330i and my wife has a 2021 G70 AWD 3.3T Sport. They're both great cars, make no mistake. The comment about the BMW riding worse than the G70 is because the 330i in the video has the M-Sport package which stiffens the suspension significantly. My wife's G70 is the Sport trim like the one in this video which has the upgraded suspension and lower profile tires and it rides much more firm and stiff than my 330i that does not have the M-Sport package. Without the M-Sport package the 330i is quite luxurious and is the better daily driver of the two. For kick you in the pants speed and handling we take out the G70. For runs to dinner and the pet store we take the 330i. Honestly, you can't go wrong with either.
The Alfa is for sure the best driving one here. I was on at a Hyundai dealership when Genesis started to break away. I helped run the first Genesis store in my state so I saw the G70 coming.
But a BMW spec’d like the one here is the only one of the three that really blew my expectations out of the water. I have never been a 4-cyl BMW type of guys.
But what BMW achieved with the amount of interior space available in the G20 is nothing short of amazing. The trunk is massive.
The MPG I achieved just blew the EPA out of the water and this engine is no different than many of BMWs as it is underrated.
Then the hands free driving.
Sadly I can’t find one specd like the one in the video in the used market right now.
G70 all day everyday 👌🏽🔥🔥🔥🔥
Not a fair test. The ti sport has a ton of changes. Better seats, better tires, lsd, paddles, suspension, modes, etc. It's a different car. It's like going from a base 911 to a gts.
Digital dashes and "aging well" like you mentioned. Going to be a very interesting thing to see. The C4 vette comes to mind :)
Love to see your take on the Elantra N line. I just bought one here in Australia and our specs are quite different to yours in the US. The criticisms of this car in the US that I have seen, are answered in the Australian spec.
Please compare the Giulia ti sport RWD vs AWD.
Purchased a 2020 G70 3.3T RWD Sport Pkg. The back seat is for show only, even though they are heated.😝. It hails the mail too! Love the vehicle 👍
Great comparison, great video as usual. Something I'd be super-curious to see is you comparing the Tesla Model 3 to a couple of these, how it stands on its own, with all its flaws and benefits. I have one in LR AWD and it's the perfect daily but a real come down after my Porsche 944t even.
I tested them both, except it was the Y, not the three. Honestly, they were both really fantastic, but I'm buying the G. The driving experiences were similar, although I think the G handled a little better. Both did 60 in 4.4.
I love my Giulia. It went from a car I owned to a car that owns me. It's handling is the best I have ever experienced.
Go figure...Paul picks the German car...feels like a rerun in that regard.
Driving a Stelvio QV, also have MB SUVs....this 'difficulty' in the drive by wire braking system in traffic is nonsense in my experience. It feels just fine, really no different subjectively than the MB. All 3 great cars...if you are a 'driver' - then it's the ALFA all day.
genesis all day long. name says it all
Save your money and buy a G70... with the savings buy a tune and some mods. It puts it in another universe than the other 2!
I wish I was close to you guys to lend you my alfa guilia ti sports. The shifters, the brembo brakes and the upgraded seats make a big difference.
*Alfa*
Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili
@@Mamo878 😪 my dumb autocorrect
@@nando_cali
Thought so.
Alfisti usually get that right. 👍
I drive an Alfa and I’ve driven the g70 I will say I love power and the genesis checks all of the boxes. The Alfa does too I just wish there was more performance aftermarket options to increase the power nonetheless it’s a great car. I hope they up power in some of the newer models I definitely will stay