City of Troy in the Epsom Derby-Aidan O'Brien doubles down
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What a beautiful park on a beautiful day in Enfield! ❤
O Brien & Moore...back to back double...Agusta Rodin & City of Troy ❤❤❤
Auguste
O'Brien said COT is the greatest engine he has trained. He said he's never found COTs physical threshold, that it has never been reached. I don't know if Coolmore need to create hype. Perhaps I'm wrong or naive, but I don't see any reason why Coolmore would hype something that isn't the genuine article.
That remains to be seen, but there has been plenty of hype down through the years.
Cool more have to hype the hell out of this stalloin to reccoup 60 million usd,it's all game of smoke and mirrors
Plenty of hype trains.. impossible to back in a derby
Money
@@georgemcgaffin1953 and fat cigars
APO'Brien will win the Derby with Los Angeles not City of Troy.
The race has fallen apart with Appleby's Hidden Law sadly being fatally injured and his other leading contender being withdrawn. Economics is not entered.
I believe the race will be decided between Ambiente Friendly and Los Angeles. I really can't see COT bouncing back from the major disappointment of his 2000 gns run. I don't believe there were any valid excuses other than he's not trained on as anticipated.
He shut everyone up in the Epsom Derby. Always the doubts of people are put in perspective by the genius of O'Brien
Coolmoore always over hype their horses. It's a business to them that's all.
Watch City Of Troy as he goes to the line in the Dewhurst - he was bigger that the others. Look at City Of Troy in the 2000 Guineas - he was smaller than the other horses.
What a lovely clip to stumble upon.
Aidan is the best trainer alive, but this year his cavalry is woefully unprepared. City of Troy is not the only disappointment.
Justify is an excellent buy for the Galileo heavy Coolmore broodmare band. Up there with Frankel and Dubawi in Grade 1 winners last year.
(Not forgetting the perplexing Into Mischief)
If COT gets agitated at Epsom it's game over. Any horse at any level that does not settle burns ip too much energy and fades.
Many a horse that was placed in a Guineas came to Epsom and won. No way I could back COT at any price .
Vincent O Brien put cotton wool in Golden Fleece s ears because of Epsom noise.
Will Tipperary be renamed County Coolmore before long.
Not if Tabor remains Mayor
Great call
Horse should not be mentioned in the same breath as Frankel trip will beat him as for genius I think any other “Genius”would have great success with that backing and ammunition
Justify is a busted flush
He bloody did it Terry
Hey i just came across your video, when I searched for a derby preview, with regards to city of Troy, i was woefully disappointed in the guineas run, i must have watched his 2yo runs back 10000 times since Christmas, i can't fathom how he is 2/1 for the derby, yes its an extremely weak race but i couldn't touch him even at 20s, i still really like Henry Longfellow as a miler the France run wasn't that bad, Ryan eased up on him it was a very messy race, ill be on him in the st James palace! Its mad how many Camelot colts are in the derby this year, would be nice to see one win, he was a fantastic horse robbed of the triple crown by a horse on drugs, and a shocking ride by Joseph.
LMAO I was going to watch this just now with the transcript - but I can't get past "ID o Brine" on it - hilarious
Deep Impact is a robust stallion though
No way could I back City of Troy at 2/1
A Trojan Horse in Coolmore's pecking order
we know the old gambling adage "never average a loser", so I daren't back it
you must have traded futures in the city once
Did you ever hear of Young Empire train by Paddy Pendegest
No🤔
I watched him walk around the ring at Newmarket, and he was flat, no spark or showing interest in his surroundings. I think there was something troubling the horse physically that day. Whilst I couldn't back him in the Derby, I certainly wouldn't be writing him off as a flop just yet.
well said
Good video and hopefully City of Troy realizes his full potential.
I backed Nijinsky every time he ran, I’d like to think there will be another horse as good but I doubt it in my lifetime anyway but maybe I’m just being sentimental, Piggott and Nijinsky were the dream team .
Remember wings of eagles a few years back at Epsom 66/1 and 50/1……..!!
Yes. Get on Voyage. It's on the same journey.
I remember Cecil having a 50/1 winner at York!
Fair play Terry I was an El gran Golden Fleece fan I’m sure u were devastated when Carvills hill did not come tru. They said TW ⛳️ was washed up go Aidan and floor em Troy ! 🥊
City of Troy my Choice ❤❤❤😮😮😮
No chance.
I know there's hype every year, and I long ago reached the point where I take everything Aidan SAYS with a grain of salt. However, this horse really did impress me last year. He was going away at the finish in all of his races and Ryan Moore genuinely was having trouble pulling him up. If they were aware that he hadn't trained on, hadn't improved physically and was not going to be a champion this year, why run him in the Guineas at all ? Why not just invent an injury or illness and retire him unbeaten and wax lyrical about his unfulfilled potential ?
nearly never bulled the cow. hindsight is 20,20, how would they know he is going to be a champion,you have to go out and prove it
@@josephmaher4270 I didn't express myself very well. There is a view out there that the horse hasn't trained on and that Aidan is talking him up to try to boost his stallion career. My point is that if the run in the Guineas was a true reflection of the ability he was showing at home, why run him at all ? Why not just make up an unjury excuse and reitre him unbeaten ? I think Aidan genuinely believes in this horse and therefore there is at least a chance that he will bounce back at Epsom.
@@Paddy-vc3fl When you have people working in your stable you can't keep them all quite. as we already know. people like to talk.
It’s Justify lol
The horse jumped alright O'Brien said it charged into the gate and nearly fell coming out that's bs
Maybe to me is that COT is one of these horses that needs to be 100 per cent fit. They prob left a bit to work on after guineas. Some horses been a smallest bit unfit can be huge. I suspect this will be COT last turf race. lets be honest about this Epsom Derby is a restricted 3 y old race so much easier to win. Prob if ran after Epsom would be on Dirt in America to make him a dual purpose stallion like Giants Causeway was. By the way you mentioned 2 top draw horses in Golden fleece a great video of him in all his races on youtube called Golden Fleece champion racehorse. also El gran Senor best guineas winner ive seen.
Something is ailing the horse.
Highly Possible the Horse has just NOT trained on.
Indeed. We will know more after the Derby today
It's not the "Epsom" Derby. It is The Derby!
I dont like City Of Troy ..JUSTIFY 3yolds not as good as they are at 2yold ..no dominance..!!
But , aslong as Andrew Coonan osmt riding it ya probably have a chance
Ask yourself this. Whose performance was more impressive: that of City of Troy or Economics. You do the maths.
He will bounce back good horse
Camelots 3rd, 4th and 6th. Not bad by the wee fella
Macduff is a clone to sea the stars . Does Troy have the second wind that is required of a derby winner, he’s done nothing to provide evidence of that.
Reading btwn the lines i dont think o brien was happy with the way moore rode the horse at newmarket he went like a scalded cat from the gates. I dont think he will win the derby but he will win lots of races later in the year
"I'll be your bookie" 😊
Q - How many plausible excuses did COT have in its last race?
A - Zero
He might be a talking horse but he is hardly a talking horse 😉 So, the excuses were not coming from him.
Ryan Moore echoed Aidan’s sentiments about City of Troy and I don’t think Ryan’s the type to BS.
My belief is he’s a good price now at 3/1 and well worth backing.
Im giving him another chance , believe the hype.
Can I be your bookie please?
@@globaloffice3214 haha I’d say you’d be able to cover my €50 win but I will be backing Dancing Gemini e/w also . Like his profile.
Who you fancy ?
Believe me Ryan will do whatever he's told to he's paid the big bucks by coolmore, and isn't going to devalue any of their stallions before it runs.
However I do believe he's going not just to win but absolutely bolt up.
@@globaloffice3214lay me 500 notes at 5/1
@@MichaelWilliams-696 On what grounds will C.o.T "bolt up" especially over 1m4 on soft (as the going is likely to be on Saturday). Maybe he can't stay further than 7f. He is not proven beyond that distance yet. Who knows he might be better off in the Commonwealth cup. 3/1 is a ridiculous price on what he has achieved THIS year. If the Derby was won on a points basis on what horses achieved as two year olds the history of the thoroughbred would be unrecognisable but its not. Maybe something is ailing him - he does seem to have regressed. Wake up - the bookies are squeezing the punters for lack of any PERCEIVED competition (because they haven't a clue how to read the trials or the form on offer - as is the problem with many punters who are latching on to the past performances of a champion TWO year old. It's the most open Derby in years. Watch the overround on Derby day it will be extortionate. The bookies will be the winner come 4.35pm on Saturday.
No way will City of troy win,stick with the horse with speed & pedigree over a mile & a half & that horse is Dancing Gemini.
Plenty of unexposed horses to look out for" Los Angeles, Voyage etc
City of Troy not the horse they hype him to be, he's a peach early ripe early rottenand Justified is a paper made stallion 3 yr olds only training on at around 10%
Good luck Brian to rest of people work city troy my the best 🏆
Successful breeder's are not stupid and certainly not naive. They judge stallion's racecourse achievements by the results. No amount of hype can fool them. Let the horses do the talking. Stop claiming that all your 2 year olds are the second coming or risk diminishing future claim's of star status and of course you're credibility. For a star to be shine there has to be dark matter. If Coolmore does their job right i.e. breed or buy the right horses train them to the best ability and keep them sound success will follow accordingly. Relax Aidan, we believe in you. Stop pandering to the press and the 'money men'. And as for Tabor's comments about being the next Frankel that's alright for star struck newbies to the breeding game but not for Coolmore. A week is a long time in politics - perhaps its time for M.V. to step in front of the cameras and be the spokesman - dumb things down a bit. Silly comments do nothing to maintain or enhance the legacy of the late great Vincent O'brien, Robert Sangster and the still great John Magnier.
I agree. Vincent to close people thought Golden Fleece was at least the equal of Nijinsky and superior to sir ivor over 12f. He never hyped up to media. Remember breeding is different now. You can quite easily value horses. Example Blackbeard goes to stud as 2yold. Despite been well behind his own stablemate in ratings went to stud for a fee more than some of their recent DERBY winners. Blackbeard was beaten twice also. So its all speed nowadays. Coolmore even selling some Derby winners. This weekend Serpentine 2020 Derby winner runs in Australia as a GELDING despite been beautifully bred also.
Epsom Derby is just more a historic race nowadays. Long gone are the days of instant Stallion making races. In fact its nowadays turns breeders off. Breeders prefer top 6-10f form. With City Of Troy they will Advertise Champion 2 y old first.
well said
The Troy for me on the day😂
I can see apob stepping down at the end of the season.
you should go to specs savers
you need new glasses
Los Angeles will win from Ambiente Friendly
Rubies will also defeat Ylang ylang
Aidan + Willie were work riders for Vincent O Brien. Remember that
Los Angeles doesn't run
Remember Voyage
@@user-ip4fd9fr6m Yes he does. he will also win the ST Ledger.
@@user-ip4fd9fr6m He not only runs but is joint favourite
Lots Angeles is a bog average horse unfortunately. Might win but it will be a shit Derby
You could not but back him 100 euro win.😢
Why don't you help Eunoch Burke instead of talking about him
He doesn't need my help. All he has to do is behave like an adult.
@@terrygorry They taught you that answer in Law School, Man is Innocent, Country is a Scam.
@@terrygorry , Might not be as easy as it sounds considering the authoritarian morons he has to deal with. Ireland seems to have become a fine place for doing the bidding of foreign dictators. The "government" having to ask Brussels if the Judges can have exercise discretion in certain "judgements." "Behaving like an adult?" Does that mean give away your right as a citizen? Or leave one "Empire" and join a worse one? One that supports war-for-profit?
A rather refreshing astute commentary
LOVE IT !
If he is rebuilt
And repeats within natural training feat and progression
His Superlative performance
Then the whole world 🌎 has got a problem
As for finding your video useful
No .
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MOST DEFINITELY 🔥
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reputation not on the line just another build up and hope the horse wins... if they dont hype it and it wins they lose the build up of the stud price... also remember AOB is just being nice.... ask him man to man are these crop of horses better than the crops of giant causeway, Johannesburg chapperal etc... remember AOB never talks a horse down even when it loses back to back to back... also remember! its the media and bookies hyping these things... most things aidan said was he has "hopes" and "thinks he can be the one but again thats just his opinion. We all have one.
excuses for me dont exist in racing we call them excuses or say he's making them but excuses are the cause of something in your control... and we all know horses work on their own time especially highly strung colts. So most things are out of your control aidan sent COT to the stall fresh after that who knows remember there have been times where stewards all surround his horse put hands on make him worked up and sweat and end up ramming him into stall you have to pay attention to these things... listen to AOB in interview after race or on racing post recently.... "he got hot at the stalls which is not like him at all".
they did it to high chaparral and giants causeway and many more.
at the end of the day we all know AOB can train one.... so he works with the blood he has... if that blood lets him down he always puts his hands up for it and takes it on the chin even though he didn't even pick the horse... he was given it to work with... if they want a Galileo they need to send the good blood and not that Dwarfism dirt sprinter.
Let the horses do the talking
Hype doesn't make stallions.
Something is ailing the Trojan horse. He wasn't seen for three months last year. Perhaps he is a bit crook.
There not to going to run him if they don’t think he wins it, he gets injury and doesn’t run would be my out, Aiden is a decent fellow and I have to take at his word. Not like a horse in America bought for big bucks and flops and the trainer and owners do what they have to do to get insurance money.
They ran Saxon Warrior in the Derby and the racecourse vibes were that he had an infection. If you'd seen him in the parade ring before the off he was sweating badly and jumping about. Clearly something up with him.
@@globaloffice3214 vibes are not facts,racing is full of rumour and gossip,most of which isnt accurate
@@josephmaher4270 I know but I wish I'd listened to Richard Hughes as I still had £500 on the horse with a course bookie - doh
O'Brien has his own shit going on in his own yard
Bullshit
He won't win. Ambiente Friendly will hack up. You can thank me later 😉
Sure
Let's just thank you now
APO'Brien will have a hatful of winners at the Curragh today. The first 2 Races from 2yos and he'll win the Irish 2000 Gns with River Tiber. Rosallion will not be suited over a mile at this more galloping track.
Oh dear, even his super horse got stuffed again. Remember him the best horse he has ever trained.
Oops
Ryan Moore has stuck with him and Aidan knows the bobby City of Troy wins
there's no fool like an old fool
All this foolish talk for an elderly person..All that obrien said excuses or reason . Does not have to be the reason.. he ran so bad..Commenting here now after he won the derby yesterday ..g
Had he not run good or lost the derby it would not have made any dent on Obriens reputation.. No Horse can be a Next frankel or Nijinsky..Why people does even repeat that i wont know...
CITY OF TROY, wont flop in the DERBY, because he wont run, an excuse will be made before the race, then retired to stud, with a perfect 2y old CV and O Brien to blame for his 3 year old career.
oops
@@globaloffice3214
Naive
All those who have no faith in City of Troy , let them put their money where their mouth is and say what will win ..💚
That's not the point dopey. But I will be your bookie.
@@globaloffice3214 Now now ,lets not insult people . Keep your temper in check and tell us all who is going to win .Of course you dont have the guts to do that 💚
Do you think 7/4 is good value?
@@globaloffice3214 l hope City of Troy wins ,and l just about think he will , O'Brien did not have him right for the Guineas .
No ,7/4 is not good value , l'm afraid its seeing is believing with City of Troy .
But you have to admit global office3214 that a horse that was so good last year , could turn around and then be so poor this year ,without their being some type of reasonable explanation for such a turnaround 💚
@@jamesbarryobrien3514 If you had read my posts I stated my preference was for Los Angeles (around 13/2 at the time) and a possible unexposed horse Voyage best odds (at the time 33/1 with Bet365. Unfortunately for punters both have shortened in the market as your selection C.O.T. has drifted. Had you taken the prices on the day you could and laid City of Troy at the ridiculously short price of 7/4 you could now make a profit on both horses buying and selling the prices on Betfair without the outcome of the race being a factor. That's how to win at racing just trade the odds to mugs.
I don't think City Of Troy will become the successor to Galileo as the next top stallion, as City Of Troy's Dam is also by Galileo. You can only take inbreeding so far.
90% of coolmores mares are galileos!
3 x 4 is fine
@@globaloffice3214 There was me thinking it was 12.
@@galdessa1 you sound 12
aidan o brien is the most successful trainer of all time.he doesnt always get right,he is dealing with animals not machines and horse have off days like humans.a lot of what is said here isnt based on any facts.pure speculation,based on no evidence.horse dissapoint every day.just look at form figures.maybe the horse is the next frankel,he has to prove it,either way he wont be the first or last great two yr old to dissapoint at 3.there is no big deal as anyone who really understand s the game is aware that it is all ups and downs and far from a science.some times there are no answers.
It is a science only no human is capable of understanding it. In time an A.I. handicapper will and all horses will cross the line together
Why don't you ask Aidan to fork out a bit of money for the good of his county and country, J P McManus has supported healthcare ,every county got money for the GAA. He has done more for Ireland half of his work is unknown, Fork it out Aidan
Rubbish talk why don't u give your hard earned money away
@@paudielooney6707 .my hard earned money is being spend on invaders who never worked, or now don't have to work, while they urinate and poo into the canal, this cobbled together government probably never worked a hard day in their lives, Stop the horse shit, and let Aidan fork the money.
Aidan O’Brien pays tax here. Maybe if he didn’t he’d have more money to throw around
@@terrygorry what's happening his tax money, my tax money, your tax money? The invaders are getting it ,no planning permission for modular homes, no tax or insurance for Ukrainian drivers, comment on that. Poor Aidan. always the excuses for donkeys
This wanker is the wrong one to make that point too.
Next talking horse
Nay, nay, never
Aidandontsaythankgodorpleasegodanyymore
With all the UK trials winners out of the picture it's a poor Derby this year. If COT wins it will only undermine the status of this year's crop of 1m4f horses.
Hes saving COT for the World Cup of racing in November, the Classic.
Id say it was COT first trip out of barn all year.
The other o brien horse I like was Illinois. Watch him. Cmon now, o brien is not going to tell those Irish journalists. He knows their a bunch of brown nosing shoe shiners. 😊
Unexposed Los Angeles could be the pick of Aidan's although a bit top heavy for Epsom. Could be one for the Leger.
City of troy will win derby .
The Donkey Derby
I agree, Epsom different ball game to Newmarket, can't be as bad as that, looked shite in pre parade and ran shite, if looks well I'd happily back
@@TheReubenelle at what price would you happily back the donkey
He will not win
Its all about value He was 8/1 straight after his Guineas flop and that was too short. He'll drift on the day. Only the mugs will be on.
I bet you would back him at 100/1
O'Brien is under pressure for a sire because they just havent got one. And whats more it doesnt look like there is one coming. Justify's are slow. You'd wonder is O'Briens job secure these days.
😂😂 job... give these horses to someone else they will have a meltdown a week in... AOB gives coolmore a job by promoting their horses aidan has over 4000 wins since 96 this isn't a 9 to 5 you can hand to the next guy, there is no next guy.
@@aman2340 Call it tenure then. I can see him gone within 2 years whether he leaves it or they part ways amicably.
@@CabOnTarget I'll call you a taxi
@@globaloffice3214 You couldn't afford one
@@CabOnTarget such an overreaction,he is one horse,one run,horses are animals,not machines.horses run poorly everday of the wk and often there are no answers
Did you ask Kyle Hayes for his opinion?
Who🤔