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  • The prime minister is meeting with university leaders after America’s student protests have spread to the UK. How did universities raise a generation of activists? Yascha Mounk, professor and author, and Rob Henderson, author, discuss with this week’s host, the Spectator’s Political Correspondent James Heale.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 124

  • @Capochin950
    @Capochin950 17 днів тому +35

    When the Palestinians voted in Hammas decades ago ,they signed their own death warrant.They should have thought about the consequences.Anybody with some common sense would have seen this coming.

    • @arefinkamal7654
      @arefinkamal7654 16 днів тому

      By your logic, the Jews must have done something for Hitler to take such drastic actions against them? Or for getting kicked out of 109 nations?

    • @somersetdc
      @somersetdc 16 днів тому +1

      Agreed. Even further...the Palestinians made their bed on October 7, now they must lie in it. For them to scream for a ceasefire after their bloody assault on Israel is unbelievable.

    • @MichaelWilson-ee8zx
      @MichaelWilson-ee8zx 15 днів тому

      Certainly explains why Bibi has funded Hamas: any excuse for a genocide.

  • @jackdaniels2127
    @jackdaniels2127 17 днів тому +13

    It’s different because no one talks about the hostages.

    • @sieteocho
      @sieteocho 17 днів тому

      The entire Gaza strip is being taken hostage, frankly.

  • @marmadukegrimwig
    @marmadukegrimwig 16 днів тому +9

    The real burning question is this: what’s behind that padlocked door?

  • @MrShyAlter
    @MrShyAlter 18 днів тому +19

    Forming an inquisitive mind requires the courage to accommodate a heterodoxy of ideas. In all these institutions, a single orthodoxy has been dominant. Most students had no reason to challenge themselves. In fact, faculty and students who did, were punished and canceled. It is therefore not surprising that militancy substituted critical thinking.

    • @nuqwestr
      @nuqwestr 18 днів тому +2

      Join the Heterodox Academy in your area, new offices in NYC.

  • @petesmitt
    @petesmitt 17 днів тому +4

    Educational institutions are for learning, not protests; just like workplaces are for working, not protests.

  • @WinstonSmithGPT
    @WinstonSmithGPT 18 днів тому +26

    Who’s buying all the flags and tents? They aren’t free. They aren’t buying them themselves.

    • @cinziam457
      @cinziam457 18 днів тому +3

      There are many possibilities, including crowdsourcing. Nothing illegal about it.

    • @siriusfun
      @siriusfun 18 днів тому +8

      @@cinziam457 Iranian proxies. Follow the money.

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 18 днів тому +2

      Ha - tent envy! I'll be repeating this for laughs at work!

    • @nancyrobertson8661
      @nancyrobertson8661 18 днів тому +5

      Soros, Rockefeller Foundation, Iran, Qatar, and Dubai.

    • @nancyrobertson8661
      @nancyrobertson8661 18 днів тому

      @@cinziam457 It should be illegal. Much of this money comes from terrorists who seek to spread their Islamist cancer throughout the world.

  • @siriusfun
    @siriusfun 18 днів тому +18

    What an odd title for a video in which two people with shared views discuss them. There was no "debate" here.

    •  16 днів тому

      Then you don't get it. They aren't debating each other, they are debating the impetus behind how college educated ppl are so dim.

    • @xxg6573
      @xxg6573 16 днів тому +1

      What do you expect. unbiased media😂

    • @maorthekinglong
      @maorthekinglong 11 днів тому

      The pro Hamas don't have any thing to say but lies

  • @pobishop235
    @pobishop235 17 днів тому +7

    Yascha alluded briefly to the fact that these pro-Hamas demonstrations are professionally organized. The organizers are exploiting the ignorance and gullibility of the students to get them to join in and provide cover for the organizers. There is an interesting parallel between the Oct 7 attacks and the student demonstrations. Both appear to be provocations intended to generate a response by the targets of the actions that the provocateurs can use to generate more sympathy for their cause and to further escalate the conflict. And in both cases, those responsible seem heedless of the disastrous effect on, in the case of Oct 7, the Palestinian people, and in the case of the student protests, the students who end up being expelled and other students whose education is disrupted. We all need to understand the dynamic at play here and who is behind it so that effective action can be taken to counter it.

  • @ValenceFlux
    @ValenceFlux 18 днів тому +5

    I didn't appreciate trust fund brats shouting 'occupy democracy' while I was trying to pass my apprenticeship exams. Nor did I appreciate them putting nails in my tires several times and breaking my windows to steal my tools. They didn't appreciate me saying I have to go to work and provide for my family while you all go protest how much you hate democracy. But that was 2011. The worst year of my life working in construction. As if the job didn't have enough deadly hazards, add protestors wanting you to stop paying taxes to that. I got so sick instead of graduating after completing my schooling I ended up in the hospital with a life threatening inflation. What a world. I better stop ranting... just finding a good doctor has been harder than it should of been.... But anyway I lost everything I worked hard for but I was too tough to ever give up... something poisoned me.

  • @lbewl7374
    @lbewl7374 18 днів тому +17

    Welcome to 1930's Gemany, the sequel.
    This is what happens whe you ban speaking about conantious subjects; the seeds of evil are unopposed and history repeats.
    Different name, same mindset - these people are 1930's Germans reborn.

    • @spiderguy418
      @spiderguy418 16 днів тому +1

      Godwin’s Law, ladies and gentlemen

    • @MD-zr1wy
      @MD-zr1wy 13 днів тому

      Could potentially be more violent than anything we have seen before..

  • @allabel4633
    @allabel4633 18 днів тому +21

    These academics’ exercise of freedom shuts down everyone else’s

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 18 днів тому +2

      Unsubstantiated biased opinion.

    • @tictoc5443
      @tictoc5443 10 днів тому

      Which arab countries fund these universities?

  • @davidmc8475
    @davidmc8475 18 днів тому +7

    The right to protest should not trample on the right for students to attend classes, at that point it is no longer a right. Each university has handled the protests differently some university presidents were strong in their response others have been feckless. Universally tents and camping should not have been allowed, there should have been a time limit such as dusk to dawn and protests should not have interfered with students attending classes or the daily operations of the school. The schools should be consistent in their free speech rules, if they allow speech promoting the killing of Jews then they need to allow protestors supportive of extreme positions such as bringing back the lynching of Blacks, throwing homosexuals off rooftops or not so extreme positions such as a man should not be allowed to participate in women’s sports or pro-life protests. Just be consistent.

    • @jittmet7766
      @jittmet7766 11 днів тому

      They're not protesting. They're parading islamic supremacism.

  • @FC-PeakVersatility
    @FC-PeakVersatility 18 днів тому +20

    Previous demonstrations haven't been calling for gen-0-cide, and clearing out the populace between the river and the sea.

    • @AllanHinde-mb2pr
      @AllanHinde-mb2pr 17 днів тому

      What? English please

    • @FC-PeakVersatility
      @FC-PeakVersatility 17 днів тому

      @@AllanHinde-mb2pr the trouble is, when you use the appropriate language to describe certain things on UA-cam they turn into gas and disappear into the ether. I already posted the same thing and it disappeared as I pressed enter. What you see is English enough to be understood.

    • @AllanHinde-mb2pr
      @AllanHinde-mb2pr 17 днів тому

      @@FC-PeakVersatility You hide just like the rest of your kind

    • @bendikkirkbakk1833
      @bendikkirkbakk1833 17 днів тому

      Look at that Jew. He's not attractive🤢

    • @tictoc5443
      @tictoc5443 10 днів тому

      Nor have they protested about the regular massacres of arab jews by other arabs for over 1000 years ...october 7th being the last of many
      Maybe israel needs to make politically motivated donations to unis to get rent a mob on side?

  • @Cactus_hug
    @Cactus_hug 18 днів тому +10

    I love how the spectator blames the U.S.. 😂 un fucking believable.

    • @johndol9549
      @johndol9549 18 днів тому +2

      for good reason

    • @Cactus_hug
      @Cactus_hug 18 днів тому

      @@johndol9549 yes the U.S. told the UK students to protest. 🤡

    • @Cactus_hug
      @Cactus_hug 17 днів тому

      @@johndol9549 no not for “good reason” your citizens are yours.

  • @pennyadrian7774
    @pennyadrian7774 12 днів тому +2

    Implicit or complicit?

  • @ozachar
    @ozachar 10 днів тому

    Need to undo the high tuition fees. It would be so easy to set up a largely online university of high level. Remove all the bureaucracy.

  • @Rachel-en5nt
    @Rachel-en5nt 11 днів тому +1

    I don't understand the video title; do they mean "How universities are implicated...."??

  • @francoli-hv3ds
    @francoli-hv3ds 16 днів тому +1

    Freedom of speech is to be protected

    • @donnb8171
      @donnb8171 10 днів тому

      Yes, but not freedom to cause unrest

  • @purpleflame334
    @purpleflame334 13 днів тому

    Thank you for the interesting conversation!

  • @Scitch-et4vk
    @Scitch-et4vk 17 днів тому +3

    Baaabaaaa 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑

  • @chuckecheese5251
    @chuckecheese5251 18 днів тому +1

    @11:30 I love how he is able to take the positions of these protesters but then afterwards say that he doesn't hold the positions total mott and Bailey he holds the positions he identified that he holds the positions and then when he's challenged on it he just pretends that he never said anything about it

  • @danreichwald7632
    @danreichwald7632 9 днів тому

    Complicit, not implicit. And quite frankly, The Spectator, of all English-language publications, should know better.

  • @morr_is
    @morr_is 9 днів тому

    The inspiration: leftist, Marxist, anti-colonial, anti-Western, pro-revolutionary, subversive communist ideologies. Ideologies ironically often taught and perpetuated academically on college campuses.

  • @user-ux3gh3nt8i
    @user-ux3gh3nt8i 18 днів тому +4

    Why do you have a padlocked door in your own flat

    • @cinziam457
      @cinziam457 18 днів тому

      Because that's where the Boogey Man lives.

  • @user-qz7uu2lt4w
    @user-qz7uu2lt4w 18 днів тому +2

    Biden
    Trump
    What a choice the USA has

  • @judifeldman469
    @judifeldman469 18 днів тому +6

    War crimes happen in every war....what makes this war different? ISRAEL IS ENVOLVED

  • @user-qz7uu2lt4w
    @user-qz7uu2lt4w 18 днів тому

    Moral Authority
    Ya

  • @NPC-st7zv
    @NPC-st7zv 18 днів тому +2

    Stop noticing stuff.

  • @rodrigoescalante5456
    @rodrigoescalante5456 18 днів тому

    Can you still protest against war or not?

    • @carolyna.869
      @carolyna.869 18 днів тому +1

      Not in zionist america

    • @eddieobrien1411
      @eddieobrien1411 17 днів тому

      It’s not so simple,unfortunately.Given the binary choice between understanding Israel is the Wests best option for alliance,in a dangerous part of the world;and ultimately supporting Islamic holy war jihad,against the West.I probably wouldn’t advise becoming a turkey voter for Xmas.I understand serious concerns about Israel,but the big picture is they are the minority,surrounded by hostile states.Ultimately this yet another religious war,and it’s awful,but I cannot support a 7th century,unreformed,barbaric,totalitarian,misogynistic,intolerant,cult..seeking submission and conquest for Islam.There are numerous videos on UA-cam of UN funded schools inside Gaza,which teach children from a young age to hate Jews and chant for the complete annihilation of Israel.So it’s complicated.Chanting from the river to see and by any means necessary,is a call for gen o cide,and Israel isn’t going anywhere

    • @H.Hardrada
      @H.Hardrada 17 днів тому

      Just stop. Everyone knows the anti-War stuff is just a front. Show me one speaker or even one chant of those protests that was generically anti-war. I guarantee 100% if Israel was losing you wouldn't be anti-War. Your hypocrisy betrays your true intentions.

    • @fuckamericanidiot
      @fuckamericanidiot 13 днів тому

      Depends.
      Blocking and intimidating other students (especially Jewish ones) trying to get to class should not be tolerated.

  • @francoli-hv3ds
    @francoli-hv3ds 16 днів тому +1

    Josh needs to condemn the police interference in campus .
    Palestinians are under occupation not terrorists

  • @aleccap5946
    @aleccap5946 17 днів тому

    Go moan in your country or show respect in this one. The government support them not the people

  • @BelteshazzarBaumbruck
    @BelteshazzarBaumbruck 11 днів тому +1

    You mean 'complicit' not 'implicit'. How did you get a job as a journalist, when you have such a poor grasp of the English language?
    P.S. I currently work at a UK university where illegal trespass anti-Israel / pro-HAMAS 'protests' started last week.

  • @guff9567
    @guff9567 18 днів тому +3

    NO TO RACISM
    NO TO RACISM IN THE HOLY LAND

    • @nuqwestr
      @nuqwestr 18 днів тому

      But it is okay in Sudan?
      HRW describes "an ethnic cleansing campaign against the ethnic Massalit and other non-Arab populations". From late April until early November of last year, the RSF and allied militias "conducted a systematic campaign to remove, including by killing, ethnic Massalit residents", according to HRW

  • @Applied_Theory
    @Applied_Theory 17 днів тому +2

    The ethno-religious colonial state project failed miserably. Students are our future leaders, they will not let apartheid flourish in the holly land.

    • @fuckamericanidiot
      @fuckamericanidiot 13 днів тому

      Do you know that Israel is the most diverse and free nation in the entire Middle-East?
      There are over a million Palestinians living in Israel and the number is increasing by the day.

    • @craigyirush3492
      @craigyirush3492 13 днів тому

      Yes, Iran is a failed state.

  • @offroadoffshore153
    @offroadoffshore153 18 днів тому +3

    So according to the protest criteria set by these two our generation should not have protested against the Vietnam War and Apartheid. There is clear evidence that some protest terms used are not reflective of the majority of protesters. The same thing can be said about far right participants in pro Israeli groups. The bottom line is what is more offensive, student protests or a civilian death and injury toll north of 100K in Gaza and rising? Rubbish like this is a diversion to what is occurring on the ground in Gaza and the regime carrying it out.

    • @nuqwestr
      @nuqwestr 18 днів тому +11

      I was draft age in 1972, my protest was in self-interest. I knew nothing of the civil war and proxy war in Vietnam, neither did the majority of my peers. I did not protest Apartheid, it appeared to be an internal political issue for a sovereign nation/state. Mandela was a terrorist, he supported other terrorist groups around the world, was friends with Castro and Khadaffy. SA is today a failed state under the ANC, but again, that's the internal politics of a sovereign nation state.
      There is slavery in Yemen and brutal treatment of women all through the Arab states and Iran. There's a genocide in Sudan against non-Arab peoples supported by Turkey, the UAE and Iran. Where are the "protests"?
      ..."an ethnic cleansing campaign against the ethnic Massalit and other non-Arab populations". From late April until early November of last year, the RSF and allied militias "conducted a systematic campaign to remove, including by killing, ethnic Massalit residents", according to HRW

    • @siriusfun
      @siriusfun 18 днів тому +2

      Your last sentence sums up perfectly the ill-informed nonsense you stand for.

    • @siriusfun
      @siriusfun 18 днів тому +5

      @@nuqwestr Very well said. A shame it'll all sail well over the commenter's head.

    • @Jouantiese
      @Jouantiese 18 днів тому +1

      Garbage obfuscation. That the open Jew-hatred and calls for death to America represents a minority of demonstrators, remains minor mitigation; rather, the overwhelmingly telling factor manifested is a general tolerance and exhibition of grotesque and Naziesque incitement to racial violence. Where are the ' far right participants in pro Israeli groups' ' ubiquitous preachings for annihilation of Palestinians en masse?? Just 5 verifiable, on-campus instances, please?
      Your ' conflate -to -inflate ' Hamas tactic and fabricated ' civilian ' number of ' 100k ' does your credibility even fewer favours - talking about diversions - as if not a single Hamas terrorist has been despatched.
      Let's try some actuality: where and when, pray tell, did you express your moral outrage against:
      Assad - 600 000 Syrian civilians exterminated (many with poison gas) - still in power btw, subject to an international French arrest warrant??
      I thought so - and that's one of hundreds of examples - please don't be shy to ask for more!

    • @offroadoffshore153
      @offroadoffshore153 18 днів тому

      @@siriusfunIt is fact. The proof of this diversion sits in the deluge of column inches written and spoken in the world wide mainstream media critical of these student protests incl conflation of Anti Israel equals Pro Hamas versus the amount and depth of reporting to what is actually happening on the ground.

  • @eemoogee160
    @eemoogee160 18 днів тому +3

    Anything to deflect from the war crimes

    • @nuqwestr
      @nuqwestr 18 днів тому +6

      war is a crime, a failure of civilization, something that was again triggered on 7/10

  • @lamegalectora
    @lamegalectora 12 днів тому

    They keep saying that these demonstrations ‘started off with a good cause’ and that ‘they were justified and understandable at the start’ but I totally disagree: just to see how quickly and drastically they degenerated into chaos and violence proves that they were rotten from the start. Further: if you truly care for the lives of the Palestinians you stand up unambiguously against Hamas. It is a no brainer!