The best way to play retro consoles over HDMI - Kaico OSSC (Open Source Scan Converter) REVIEW

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  • Опубліковано 30 вер 2024

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  • @eldoctoremad
    @eldoctoremad 4 роки тому +5

    awesome, just what I needed to take the plunge and invest in this! Thank you for this excellent review!

  • @MrChandler04
    @MrChandler04 4 роки тому +5

    Hell yeah that Batman in the background. One of the best OSTs on NES. Good video! I've been thinking about investing in an OSSC

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому

      Yeah the Batman soundtrack rocks!

    • @CAPCOM784
      @CAPCOM784 4 роки тому

      You aint lying cause that soundtrack has stuck with me since my childhood.😉

  • @TheFrenchy82
    @TheFrenchy82 4 роки тому +2

    I saw on youtube a picture of your video about OSSC....
    cool but .. I can read " double linear upscaler ".. Sorry.. it's NOT an upscaler !
    A line doubler (and more ..) YES ! But not an upscaler !!

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the info, The video is not aimed to people who know what a line doubler is. Of course I try options to target titles, thumbnails to my target audience and explain it in the video itself.

    • @TheFrenchy82
      @TheFrenchy82 3 роки тому +1

      @@euroretrogamer204 your video is good, don't worry !
      Most people don't know the difference and are confused. One of my friend thought he bought an upscaler and was very disappointed with the result on his LCD TV Set....

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  3 роки тому

      @@TheFrenchy82I'm sorry to hear that! the funny thing is that Videogameperfection uses upscaler not as a technique but as a effect as well in their meta tags on their own site. The loosely refer to the OSSC as a 'scaler' in their item description. If there is anything I don't want is add to the confusion, but VGP and Kaico ain't helping either😉

  • @einnickname
    @einnickname 3 роки тому +1

    Kaico Link doesnt work. 😣 Where can i buy that without buying chinese bad copies?

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  3 роки тому

      You could go straight to the Kaico Labs website, or search for it on Amazon. The should have a store on amazon.de too.

  • @chrismeservey
    @chrismeservey 3 роки тому +1

    Was really excited for this, but both audio inputs gave off a constant high pitched noise. Also, after only 20 minutes of using it shut off and won’t turn on again. Very disappointed. Thankfully I bought it off Amazon so I can return it.

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  3 роки тому

      :( that's really unfortunate. Kaico has warranty (compared to Ali Express versions) so that should be no problem.

  • @PabloB888
    @PabloB888 3 роки тому +1

    These 240p games looks pixelated to the extreme and that's not how picture looks like on CRT.

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  2 роки тому

      I agree. There are features to try to simulate CRT like visuals (filters scanlines,etc), but I don't believe that is the intend of the OSSC. The result of the upscaling is so 'sharp' that it can look not very natural. Especially when sprites are rotating. By the way, the OSSC is not made for 2d games specifically. Low res 3D games upscaled look much better (PS1, Saturn, Dreamcast).

  • @mattjcwig
    @mattjcwig 3 роки тому +1

    Want to get this for my megadrive, rgb modded N64, Wii & SNES (PAL SNES) have you learnt anymore about the PAL SNES on the OSSC?

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  3 роки тому

      It seems other people do not have the same problems I had.

  • @kevgr1999
    @kevgr1999 4 роки тому +2

    Cheap amazon scart cables do not work from my experience heads up

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому

      Yes, really cheap SCART cables are most lirkely not RGB but just composite over a SCART connector. but I did buy genuine RGB cables on AliExpress too (for the Mega drive for instance). So, it's important to read the product reviews. If it's not really RGB, people generally will give it a bad review.

  • @GameLocadora
    @GameLocadora 2 роки тому +1

    If you want to output on Elgato, connect your OSSC to a Xbox One.

  • @TheStuartCarson
    @TheStuartCarson Рік тому

    Hey there, at 10:27 you mention outputting an NTSC game on a pal system could cause some trouble? Can I ask what issues can happen? I have a PAL wii with NTSC roms on it

  • @BeyondEntertainment_
    @BeyondEntertainment_ 4 роки тому +1

    Do you really need the remote or no?

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому +2

      You control the device with buttons on the device. But the remote is way more convenient IMHO

  • @gregjarvis1232
    @gregjarvis1232 4 роки тому +1

    Why are all the video's compreesed? Is it youre settings? Or can't this device do full screen?!

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому

      You mean video compression or resolution? I guess the latter. Some games have black bars in the frame (or even coloured bars like Sonic). Essentially OSSC doubles those bars in the video frame as well. resizing the video to remove the bars would distort the image in most cases. I might have (mannually) scaled some footage wrong as I was trying to get a grip on the Streamlabs software at the same time as the OSSC. I guess in most cases you TV can/will remove bars, while the capture software won't (out of it self, at least). Hope that answers your question.

    • @gregjarvis1232
      @gregjarvis1232 4 роки тому

      @@euroretrogamer204 hello I was actually talking about those massive black bars on the screen I don't see the point of outpoting to hdmi and not having the screen filled

    • @tomferrier6143
      @tomferrier6143 4 роки тому +1

      @@gregjarvis1232 it's due to scaling. If you double 480p, you get 960p. That's not full 1080p, so you'll have space, unless you set your tv to zoom or stretch and fit. It's ideal for image quality, non integer scaling (for example, 2.1x or 2.2x to get 1080p from 480p) makes things looks blurry and uneven, especially if you use scanlines.

  • @mrturbo757
    @mrturbo757 4 роки тому +1

    Does the OSSC allow you to swap between 16:9 wide-screen and 4:3 aspect ratio in the menus somewhere?
    Thanks for your time!

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому +3

      Yes, there is, But as previous commenters had noticed, it can only be used in 3x mode. It won't blow up the image though, just adds bars.

  • @JohnnyU-sj5gb
    @JohnnyU-sj5gb 4 роки тому +2

    how many consoles can you connect to this thing at once

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому

      There are three video inputs. SCART, Component and VGA. So technically you could hook up three consoles. But I don't know what the effect will be if you, by accident turn on two at the same time.

    • @BoerboelBladeandAriaTV
      @BoerboelBladeandAriaTV 4 роки тому

      Euro Retro Gamer just bought MVS system and an OSSC hooked it up to 58 Samsung,it looks crap how do you work this things help would be appreciated thanks.

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому +1

      @@BoerboelBladeandAriaTV OSSC works with know resolution profiles. The Junker Wiki (link in description) does give some profile settings for Neo Geo MVS (Consolized) :
      Sync OPT. -> H-PLL Post-Coast - 2 lines
      Sync OPT. -> Hsync Tolerance - 8.30us
      but I'm not sure a consolized MVS board sticks to one of these profiles. I imagine this has something to do with the output sync being out of wack of the JAMMA to SCART/Component conversion. If it's just very dark en garbled it could be the CMVS output isn't RGB. While researching your question, I found that fellow UA-camr @MadlittlePixel seemed to have fried his VGP OSSC with his CBOX consolized MVS. So be very careful! Hopefully it helps you search in the right direction.

    • @BoerboelBladeandAriaTV
      @BoerboelBladeandAriaTV 4 роки тому +1

      Euro Retro Gamer thanks for the reply am working on it,picture is improving.

    • @Clos93
      @Clos93 4 роки тому +1

      Use a scart, component, or S-video switchbox. Then feed that to the OSSC. should be able to hook up like a dozen consoles via that method. But you going to have one hell of a cable management nightmare... I use zip ties!

  • @mattrodriguez1743
    @mattrodriguez1743 Рік тому

    Will allow me to PlayStation 1 on the ps2. Or use the wii to play GameCube games?

  • @StillLookingForHelp
    @StillLookingForHelp 2 роки тому +1

    Have you tried Nintendo 64. How easy is it to update firmware

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  2 роки тому

      The OSSC requires a RGB signal to operate. The N64 does not output RGB out of the box, unless you have modded your console with a RGB-mod. The RetroTINK 2X is better suited for the N64 of mod it it with a UltraHDMI.

    • @StillLookingForHelp
      @StillLookingForHelp 2 роки тому

      @@euroretrogamer204 hi. I recently purchased a kaico OSSC from eBay. It works but doesn’t have any onscreen menu. Maybe it’s in a old firmware 0.83a. Is it easy to update and did yours have on screen menu out of the box

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  2 роки тому

      The OSD is introduced on firmware version 0.85 I believe. Firmware update is relatively simple the link in the desceiption to Junker HQ and look for firmware. I'll see if I can make een update video with new firmware and device support.

  • @alessandrofiori5870
    @alessandrofiori5870 2 роки тому

    games with the ossc on a 55" oled tv. The ossc It is linked to my ps2 via scart cable. May you suggest me the ossc best configuration? I find the line3x is the best for me but maybe i am wrong..

  • @Inconvenient_NPC
    @Inconvenient_NPC 3 роки тому +1

    What's it like with an original xbox?

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  3 роки тому

      Pretty good, I intend on making a Xbox specific video, comparing different options for original Xbox

  • @GoldenGateNum9
    @GoldenGateNum9 Рік тому

    Should've known playstation will be buggy, the console I wanted it for lol ! .. this ossc seems like a big headache, trying to adjust and tailor make each game with endless profiles to upload?... nah, think I'm better off investing in a decent desktop and might as well emulate... I am a mid console person, PS1, PS2, PS3, GAMECUBE, WII .. just bought a Retroscaler 2x to tinker with my new shitty Samsung led tv which gives such a bad componant picture compared to my old LG plasma screen. Anyways good channel, thanks for being honest. Subbed ❤

  • @DamnDealDone
    @DamnDealDone 4 роки тому +3

    Why would you buy from this get rich quick schemer of a company that does nothing but take from the modding community? People should not buy from Kaiko, ever. Shilling for them is even worse.

  • @Chig_Beggers
    @Chig_Beggers 4 роки тому +1

    Got a friend who's trying to stream Code Veronica with a dreamcast but he's struggling to get it to pick up on his HD60s. If he was to de-interlace the signal with 2x, would this work on the HD60s, or not?

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому +1

      The HD60s is very iffy with the output resolutions created by the OSSC. It can't [HD60s] handle 960p or 1440i unfortunately. Presuming he uses a RGB SCART or component cables the output of the DC will be 480i or 240p. He should set 480i mode to Line2x (Bob) and 240p to Line3x in the Output Opt menu. if you is OBS Studio software you can size the screen any way you like.

    • @tyisafk
      @tyisafk 4 роки тому +1

      @@euroretrogamer204 It actually can! That's what I use and 960p works fine. You have to make sure you use OBS and use the DirectShow based source and not the Elgato HD one. The only issue is that sometimes it'll black out and never come back, usually on resolution changes, and you have to unplug the card and back into the same USB port, though it's not a frequent issue if your game uses the same resolution all the time. If I use the Elgato software, only 480p based resolutions work, meaning passthrough for Dreamcast and 2X on 240p/480i based consoles.

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому

      @@tyisafk Thanks for your comment, I try it! Do you know if it can handle 60fps in HD mode? I have in the mean time upgrade to the Cam Link of higher framerates and 4K support (so upscaling to 1440p is an potential option too, but it's sure good to know.

  • @steveothehulk
    @steveothehulk 3 роки тому

    The picture seems dark is that just the video or is it like that in person?

  • @ajaakola2
    @ajaakola2 4 роки тому +1

    Not all tvs or monitors support all those x2/3/4/5 modes

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому

      Blonddeserd 303 Yes, and even if they do 4x and 5x could get really out of sync. Your TV definitely needs to be able to take those highest resolutions. Also with the higher resolution input signals, like 480p, OSSC will not scale more than 3x. Thank you for comment!

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому

      @Focux LOL Marqz has to start from scratch I think. I'm not sure AV3 supports 4x though. on top of my mind I remember that the OSSC just won't accept it. It seem to have a 1440p limit.

  • @MeDreamLee
    @MeDreamLee 4 роки тому +1

    I just bought this today... couple questions..can I record ps2 gameplay with the Elgato HD60s wouldn't it upscale 480i to 480p then I'll be able to record with it being at 480p? Hvae you tried using the original xbox on the OSSC? I'm mainly gonna play PS2 and original xbox.

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому +1

      Hi there, to start at the beginning, the Elgato HD60 does not support 480i. You can de-interlace the signal with the menu option Output Opt. > 480i/576i > Line2x (bob) that doubles the interlaced output to a progressive scan output. Theoretically this should work, but I haven't tried PS2 in 1x mode yet.

    • @MeDreamLee
      @MeDreamLee 4 роки тому +1

      Euro Retro Gamer Oh okay thanks amazon had a $35 coupon on it and figured it was a steal can’t wait to try this on the ps2 and the original Xbox.

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому +1

      Yeah, with the coupon it's a no-brainer! It's a great product

    • @tyisafk
      @tyisafk 4 роки тому +1

      Not OP, but I've seen good results on UA-cam from people who force 1080i output using GSM then use Line2X so it feeds a 1080p signal. Plus a lot of PS2 games have issues when you force a progressive signal, so 1080i with 2X seems like a good alternative. Because that's such a large resolution, the flickering is a lot less prominent, which for capture it won't mess with the bitrate nearly as much. Perhaps you could try that. I plan to do this myself when I get an OSSC for my PS2 and stick with 960p for Dreamcast and GCN/Wii since 480p forced is a lot better on those systems. I use a camlink, which plays a lot more nice with the OSSC, but since you have an HD60, 1080p with this method should work a lot better.

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому

      @@tyisafk A little late reply, Yes 1080i de-interlaced would be the best. Too bad the input resolution coming from the PS2 is game depended. A slew of games only support 240p even and 1080i is hardly supported.

  • @EviIove
    @EviIove 2 роки тому +1

    Nice

  • @samuraispiritsx
    @samuraispiritsx 4 роки тому +1

    looks fantastic, does it get rid of distortion from the resident evil games? It bothers the hell out of me on the XRGB Mini.

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому +1

      PS1 is a bit of a mixed bag unfortunately. The fact there are a slew of PS1 settings profiles (for every hardware revision, basically) says it all. Also the frequent resolution switching is a pain. I've noticed that individual games even can have there own problems, like I've tried to show with Gekido. So, game specifically, it's hard to tell. From my experience the PS1 is the only console having these particular problems unfortunately.

  • @misterneckbreaker88
    @misterneckbreaker88 3 роки тому

    i may need one of these. ps2 is the only thing keeping me from getting rid of the bulky CRT. i can use epsxe but its not the same. it feels off. everything else i can emulate fine. zero lag wow

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  3 роки тому

      You could also check the PS2 specific HDMI cable from Kaico on my channel. It isn't perfect either, but is plug and play and much cheaper.

  • @ze2004
    @ze2004 3 роки тому +1

    Can i use this for camera video hi8?

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  3 роки тому +2

      If the camera outputs a RGB signal it should, but most Hi8 cameras output a.composite signal as far as I know. In that case a cheaper composite to hdmi converter should be sufficient.

    • @ze2004
      @ze2004 3 роки тому +1

      @@euroretrogamer204 mine it's s-video so no go for OSSC. S-video it's different from RGB but it's pitty because the best quality it's rgb.

  • @CRedd9830
    @CRedd9830 4 роки тому

    How do I get audio out of the Saturn?? I'm still waiting on my SCART cables, but I'm using my HD Retrovision cables with it. How do I get audio?? What else do I need aside from the component cables & a HDMI cable??

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому

      There is a Headphone jack that is the audio in for the component connector. AV3 AUDIO IN. You need a tulip to headphone jack converter to hook it up. If you don't get sound from that, it could be you need to remove a dip switch next to the display. I haven't used component cables, so I'm not 100% sure on the last statement.

  • @jengelenm
    @jengelenm 2 роки тому

    These guys have waaaay overpriced this. You shouldn’t pay more than 130 euro for OSSC 1.7. OSSC 1.6 about 100 euro even. It’s a great device, 100%, but i wouldn’t buy the Kaico kit!

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for your comment. This video is 2 years old. Att was competitively priced compared to it's competition.

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  2 роки тому +1

      And more importantly, available

  • @franciscorichardcardosoxav421
    @franciscorichardcardosoxav421 4 роки тому +1

    Perfect!

  • @rodridubsx9954
    @rodridubsx9954 4 роки тому

    I wonder how it looks with c64, atarixl or msx

  • @bitbybit-eu
    @bitbybit-eu 4 роки тому +2

    interesting device . image quality looks great.
    is it expensive?

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому +1

      It's definitely not cheap, either the VGP or Kaico ones are around 150 EUR give or take. Both came down in price it seems.

  • @andreymaslov6357
    @andreymaslov6357 4 роки тому +1

    For most players I consider it quite enough frammeister and monitor with fast response matrix, this device with a head meets the needs of the average gamer. Ossc will be interested in hardcore players who need zero latency and where the fast matrix monitor should also be taken.

  • @RobBob555
    @RobBob555 4 роки тому +1

    STOP putting background music to videos with *narration* .. it ONLY makes it HARDER to hear what you are saying and is VERY distracting ... EVERYONE STOP DOING THIS.. we are NOT here to listen to music !!

  • @CloudOmegaVII
    @CloudOmegaVII 4 роки тому

    Kaico fake ossc has yellow upper border ( like clouding ) instead full black border. The original has full nlack.

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  4 роки тому +1

      Hi thanks for commenting. No idea what your talking about. Maybe you're talking about border masking: this is on all versions of this open source upscaler fully configurable in a slew of colors. If you are talking about first hand experience, you've either (unintentionally) reconfigured the border color or are meaning something else I can't place or have heard of. I certainly don't have this 'problem'.

  • @CFXTBogard
    @CFXTBogard 4 роки тому +2

    Kaico is a total knock off of OSSC, in fact they are just copying the whole thing from OSSC without giving the creators the required credit on it.

    • @kaicointernational8133
      @kaicointernational8133 4 роки тому +12

      Thats not true at all, We contribute directly to marqs for his hard work on the ossc and are listed on the JunkerHQ as an official supplier.

    • @kaicointernational8133
      @kaicointernational8133 4 роки тому +3

      @Focux What marketing material??? You mean the logo which we changed immediately after being told it was not open source? The manual we translated into several languages and is different. 'lied about being first EU approved provider' - What other EU provider is there who has stock?

  • @-ENIAC-
    @-ENIAC- 3 роки тому

    OSSC is not intended for the PS2 or Ps3 console, please read the manufacturer's website carefully. Since the OSSC scales the image by 4, the example of ps2 is 720p and 4 to 2880p ordinary TV will not be able to withstand this resolution, which causes damage and burnout of the tv matrix or damage to the matrix graphics proseror. OSSC multiplies the image lines by 4. OSSC is designed for Atari or PS1 or Nes. Informing people that the device is compatible with all consoles is misleading.👎🤪

    • @euroretrogamer204
      @euroretrogamer204  3 роки тому +1

      Where do I even recommend to upscale PS3 and where do I mention PS2 by a factor 4? It upscaled to 4x if you configure the device to do so. 9 out of 10 TV's or monitors won't even except those output frequencies. Please refer to the displayed upscaling method on the captured footage. If you watch the video I actually warn the viewers for the interlaced output of the PS2 and the damage it creates for TV's. What the PS2 does not do is output 720p, tho. There is a fairly undersupported 1080i..which I believe does not work with the OSSC. Just to be sure: this device is created for upscaling RETRO consoles. Not for consoles that already have a HD output and have HDMI outputs. So no PS3 PS4 PS5, Xbox360, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, WiiU, Wii, Xbox Series X. Hope it helps 😜