How Far Will 275 Lbs of Batteries Get Me?
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
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I know it sounds stupid, but when you're out on the water alone, it's a really good idea to wear a life vest with a whistle. Yeah, you're going really slow in a stable boat in calm conditions, but if you fall out and the boat gets away from you, or if you have any kind of medical emergency, it can be the difference between staying alive until help arrives, or drowning cold and alone. You can 3d print a whistle and attach it to the vest. Especially if the water is cold. It might make you feel silly, but I much prefer looking silly and knowing I'm looking out for my own safety.
If it sounds stupid, the problem isn't the advice 😉
This is good advice, also add a fire extinguisher to the boat
Edit: there might actually have been a fire extinguisher on the boat
Or if you fall and get knocked unconscious
The other thing I was thinking about the whole time was the lack of a kill switch. If he fell out it would just continue on its multi-mile waypoint mission.
Boring hell, I'm suprised you could type that whilst covered in bubble wrap ..
From a water rescue advisor;
*Wear a flotation device
*Have a killswitch to stop the boat, or a way for a passenger to easily take control, should you end up in the water
*Have a tested way to be able to get back into the boat, particularly by yourself
There's lots more that you could do to help look after yourself, but those basics would go a long way.
AND some oars. If motor dies and another boat (like the barge) is heading towards you, you need a way to move out of the way. We even have a set of oars on our sailboat, just in case.
And for your own sake. At least wear a floating west when you're alone. Most people stop making youtube videos if they drown, so please dont do that.
Also, don't surround yourself with electricity while in the water.
I feel like he could do a kill switch similar to a treadmill so if he falls off the boat, a string attached to him would pull the kill switch and the boat stops
@@clark_kent-vz4mw He does have a paddle but yea everything else 100%
@@natedagrate227 You mean like Seadoos have?
"Passenger/mechanic overboard" functionality on autonomous boat would be a good thing.
I’d think there would be more drag when he’s in the boat therefore if there is a decreased amp draw or increased speed it would know
Pretty easy to implement too. Just put a tether on a life jacket harness and then use a tension sensor. When it detects tension on the lifeline, it would just kill the motors and need to be manually reset.
Could just use one of those kill switches you see on seadoos, they tether to your life jacket.
@@HobkinBoi you meen water scooters? haha that was the funniest thing i heard in ages
@@dustinbrueggemann1875 that would work but where’s the fun in that?
Your take on Barrett's Privateers is incredible 😄
That container of wired lipo batteries genuinely looks like a bomb.
Nope there best vater as
A big lithium battery pack is basically a bomb
"A Bahhhhhhh????"
Local fire department says most of their fire calls lately has been from batteries catching on fire, the last one was being charged when it burned.
@@SchwaAlien Where I live it's not that uncommon to have at least one multicar pileup on the highway when winter rolls around and people have somehow completely forgotten how to drive in snow over the course of 7 months. Once most of the cars on the road are electric and there's another bad pileup, at some point I'm expecting an inevitable lithium volcano to erupt. I also wonder if it's more practical to extinguish that fire or just build a new section of highway to go around it and treat it as an interesting new landmark.
I noticed your rudder was constantly correcting as you were going basically straight. It would be cool if you used differential thrust on your 2 motors for the minor corrections when you are going straight and reserve the rudder control for when the differential thrust can't keep up or you are making a waypoint turn. It's always a good day when I see one of your videos in my watch list 🙂.
I know it’s not much power but I feel like he would save a noticeable amount not having the directional motor constantly making adjustments. I would just steer it manually
Manual steering is not fun on these distances .
and about the differential thrust . wouldn’t it just draw more power constantly accelerating the props in the water than one motor steering like it is now ?
@@muppie5111 The props should use about the same power as currently (no pun intended). Daniel sets the speed now by the voltage for the speed he wants divided 50/50 between each motor. The only difference would be how it is split, 60/40, 70/30, etc. I would assume the majority of course corrections are because of a side wind. In that case it could learn to make the split for wind adjustment (say 67/33) for the base value and then do minor adjustments from there.
on the other hand . Idk how to call it in English , let’s call it middle point of rotation changes from the steering motor (like it is now) backwards a bit . so you have more mass to turn . and like you said I assume the power draw of these things is about the same .
A simple solution could just be only do course corrections if the deviation reaches a certain threshold.
Seeing the prop vortices somewhere around the 12:00 minute mark was pretty cool.
Yeah, I think it must be catching some bubbles from the boat itself? It doesn't look like they are spinning fast enough to cavitate, but it could be a frame rate thing.
@@Lizlodude That's how regular props work, regardless of what they are doing with the hull and midsections they are mounted to. Also the reason people are so hyped up on toroidal props right now, because they throw less vortices.
@@Lizlodude That is cavitation, albeit minimal. But, cavitation all the same.
Fun fact: Cavitation comes about not by something catching air from the surface of the water, but from a reduction in pressure. The lower the pressure a given body of water is in, the lower its boiling temperature will be. Cavitation is essentially the water literally boiling in a very localised low pressure zone (as created by the tips of the propellers' blades).
Fun fact to give you an idea about energy densities: assuming a total system efficiency of 80% for your current setup (because of the converters etc) and assuming you would discharge the batteries only to 25% (83 miles out of max 111 miles) your total propulsion power output would have been about 8.77kWh. Assuming a total system efficiency for a Diesel setup of 33% you'd need about 2kg (or 4.4lbs) of Diesel for the same power output in the same conditions. Of course the whole setup without fuel would be heavier than the electrical setup without batteries, but the actual weight would still be quite a bit lighter.
I got hearted, woohoo :-D now hoping I didn't make a mistake in my numbers, that would be embarrassing
83 too 111 mioes gid enough
Warms my heart to see that Stan's legacy had traversed the continent and crossed the border! Great video!
- Love from the Maritimes
We'll never see another'n like ol' Stan Rogers again.
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The athletic center you saw was the Seahawks training center.
The contaminated area is probably the old Barbee Mill (this one I don't know for sure)
The Boeing plant you saw is at Renton Municipal Airport. There is a Boeing Feild, but it is in Seattle. That plant only does 737 planes, and does the full assembly at a rate of more than 1 per day.
Growing up in the area we pronounced Seward park like sewer, with a d at the end. I have not actually looked up the original name, but everyone else pronounces it the same way.
Great video. I like your ingenuity, creativity, and long format videos.
You may have enough misc for your projects, but I have some industrial surplus, if you need current transducers, contractors, heavy wires, and other stuff.
Being from Colorado, coastal lifestyle, living by the water is very unfamiliar to me, tho we do have some small mountain lakes. So thanks for a nice look at such a place 👍
I can't remember if you covered this in a previous video, but was there a dead-man's switch of any kind here? If you fell out of the boat in autonomous mode, would it run away? I know it wasn't going fast, but I feel like that could get away from me relatively easily.
A boat going 1.5 m/s can get away from anyone except olympic level swimmers in a swimming pool. With the disorienting fall at the beginning, warm clothes, in the middle of the lake, no flotation device? No chance at all. That's drowning territory, without exaggeration.
@@rostislavkaufman8410 Yeah. There aren't many people out there who can swim 1.5 m/s if their lives depended on it, which it would.
at least spiral wire hand starp. like surf board strap.
@@rostislavkaufman8410 hes in calm water, and could’ve easily swam to shore with even basic swimming ability, how would he drown?...
@@jaredchampagne2752 I really don't know how to answer. Swimming to shore, panicking, in cold natural water and street clothes is orders of magnitude harder than a lazy few laps in even a full-size swimming pool.
Recommendation for when you put the solar panels on. I saw on your diagram you plan on putting them out to each side. How about at the same width, you put them above your head on a rack, allowing you to also cover the middle of the boat with panels. You're going to gave to build a frame to hold the panels, might as well lift it up.
One concern there might be rolling in high winds.
@@pseudotasukiif he plans to put them either side idk how great it is for the panels to be in water constantly lol
@@D3nn1s Solar panels don't mind water. They're low-voltage.
@@pseudotasuki corrosion?
@@userblame632 They're designed to be left outside.
I really enjoy watching these autonomous waypoint missions you do. Really awesome seeing you incorporate rc into this boat.
The sea shanties just really put this together, great work and really imoressive boat!
This is my favorite channel, hands down. I remember the first video I watched when Daniel flew FPV chasing the car he was sitting passenger in. I've seen every video since. Please keep them coming brother
Good project, in the other video you said that the drivers got hot after a while. I have one just like it on my electric bike and what I have done is sanded the side where the 3 screws are, put thermal putty and I have put an aluminum heatsink from an old amplifier. it does not heat up at all.
Hot rodders and muscle car guys always go overkill on cooling the heatsink thing is a good idea
its crazy to see just how ridiculously rich some people are. great project and great commentary
Ridiculously rich, he said
@@henryD9363 yeah those houses with super yachts and airplanes in front are people that are ridiculously rich.
@@pegg00 I never said they are lucky but comparing having a internet connection to having a mansion,super yacht and a personal sea plane is pretty dumb. One is a necessity and the rest are just gross spending to show you are a rich person
@@carl1367 that's not a yacht, that's a $150 and 2 $70 (iirc) outboard motors and 5 ish dollars of plastic
@@datguymiller I hope you understand I'm not talking about this UA-camr but about the houses he goes by in the video
A great day in great surroundings. Very good editing as well!
I know it has been mentioned in the comments of one of your other videos, but I would mention it again: If your boat is going faster than you can swim, which it very easily can, and you are falling over board, then you have a big problem. You are missing the remote to stop your boat, so you can't get back to it. The answer is what every single pilot of a motorized sailing vesel need to have: A dead mans switch. Stupid name, because you avoid dying, if you have one. But seriously, you need one. Back in the good old days we had a strap round our hand going to the engine, where it pulled a switch, if you pulled the strap. Today they are mostly wireless. Either that or a rope round your waist. I would prefer the first solution :-) Safe sailing! I am looking forward to see your solar panel adventures :-)
Unironically thanking you for plugging Duck Battery. I've been in search of a good company to try and get some replacement cells for my old kickstarter boosted board from 2014.
Barretts Privateers knock off killed me lol
I love the rendition of Barrett's Privateers.
That burrito delivery was great.
Your song writer is excellent! Extra props for the Stan Rogers reference ! Rare
The first video I showed my friend of yours was you sanding this thing. We laughed so hard it hurt.
Ngl I was pretty impressed with his dedication to the project
Oh my god. I haven't heard Barrett's Privateers for at least 40 years. God that bought back some memories. Thanks for your version Daniel.
On the hull design thing - small sailing catamarans are pretty readily available and would be ideal for electric drive. They are also pretty good for sailing.
Thankyou for putting songs back in the videos
Hey Daniel, have you thought about trying to test your own toroidal propellers? You should be able to make them, given you printed your existing props already, and the potential efficiency results seem promising. If anything they look cool
Toroidal propellers are not more efficient. Propeller design has been going on for well over a century. Shipbuilders and propeller designers know what they're doing. This gimmick is not something that's better. At all.
It's an internet meme.
@@henryD9363 It's not a meme lol. They are literally more efficient, especially when used underwater.
@@henryD9363 propeller design has been going on for over a century so there couldnt possibly be any new developments? not saying youre wrong in this case but that logic definitely doesnt hold up lol
@@NaturescapesByRocco I have yet to see hard data that supports their claims of increased efficiency.
I was about to propose the same, haha! Glad people are bringing it to his attention
It's awesome watching you go past all these places that I see every day. I've lived in the Seattle area for 5 years, and still haven't made it out on the lake. Love this video.
I love these videos, so chill and beautiful! Will be very interesting to see the high power test of the motors B)
Yeah I love the nerding out. Instead of speculating just try things to see if they work.
That solar panel like space station gives me chills 😍🙂
Oh man, love what you're doing with this project, but I really enjoy the hijinx and commentary along the way. Calling in an emergency burrito drop in the middle of the mission hilarious.
BTW, love that you left the vid cam on the boat for the drive home. Great effect.
Came for the electrical nerdery, stayed for the waterfront tour. Love these videos.
Looking good. Though there's a few things I'd like to add to the safety recommendations for next time you take this thing for a spin.
1) Safety line: This will probably be redundant if you install some sort of "Human Overboard" system to stop the boat from getting to far away on its own power, but would still be nice to know it can't get away from you. Perhapse you could put the two systems together.
2) Lights: You should probably put some lights on your boat for if you end up sailing at night again so other boats don't crash into you. Even one light will probably be good enough.
3) Life Jacket: It's a lot harder to swim to a place then it looks, better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
4) Emergency oars and flags: In case you run out of power so you can either get yourself somewhere or signal for help.
Did you not watch the video?
Got so excited when I started to hear that sea shanty
So awesome, you do all the stuff I wish I could. Much respect and that boat turned out legit!
Please do more boat videos! I love them and I also love all the RC projects.
Also please put the full footage for us to watch!
Very impressive build and the whole assembly of components, fun to watch the sights of the lake and life on the water and be able to look it up on google earth makes it feel like your not 2000 miles away. Love the tunes. Solar power infinity drive is a beautiful goal. Enough power for a mini microwave oven. Great work.
Made me think of how much more efficient it would make the boat if you added toroidal propellers! It would be a great experiment seeing that you’ve already done a baseline run!
Seen some claiming the toroidals is oversold at best or just fake... never made sense to me and looks like longtime ago tried and discarded idea
Thank you for your effort to make this entertaining and educational videos. I have a ton of fun watching you doing things like that.
For a future video you could try and print some toroidal propellers to improve efficiency, like Sharrow's marine propellers.
That lipo pack box is a nice firecracker
This is amazing, now u just need an rc sub to drive around while your boat while your boat just goes
As nice a test platform as the boat is, and it is really really cool, as you keep reminding us, the main drawback is the hull design. You can see it by the wattage needed to go from 1.7m/s to 2m/s vs 2ms to 2.7m/s. That jump in wattage per m/s is so stark, and really shows how inefficient the flat bottomed hull design is when you're not on a plane.
It'd be interesting to see a similar system on a V-hull, and compare battery use. It might even be worth thinking about sticking it on a modified Hobie Cat (small catamaran) or the like to further reduce friction.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If there was enough power to get the hull up on plane it might actually be more efficient than it is at the current speeds.
Another great UA-cam channel called "Tech Ingredients" did more or less what you're suggesting. They refer to it as their "Tesla Catamaran".
I like hanging out with you on the water. It makes me feel super calm.
Love your videos. You might want to consider installing a motion detector, that will stop the autopilot if no motion is detected for a minute...on your boat because if you go overboard it will keep driving and you may not be able to catch up. Also you could program an audible beep 5 seconds before big turns so you don't lose your balance.
Or just an ankle strap hooked up to a pin switch that kills main power if he falls out. Would be super cheap and easy to implement in the circuit.
That's a crazy looking Bush right there.
Love your videos btw. I think a cool side project is you could 3d print your own toroidal propeller to see any differences in efficiency.
Wow this is such a cool project. One of these days I'd love to do a larger scale version of this, basically a small houseboat, and just do water camping. Set a way point and just let it go, and hang out on the boat, fish etc. Something with sails that are automated based on wind direction would be cool too.
You should 3D print some toroidal propellers for this to see what kind of difference in power usage you get with this setup. They seem to be all the rage right now and I would be interested in your take on them.
Look up sharrow props if you haven’t seen them
at high rpm yes, but not in a displacement situation they would just ad drag and make it even worse
@@ct1762idk from the reading I've done (cursory, I admit) it seems to really increase efficiency for lower RPMs
I love your videos! RC is a childhood passion. Not a child anymore. But this kind of videos gives me a warm feeling. =)
The RC hobby has gotten a lot more advanced! =D
I was out watching some paramotorists the other day and one guy had an ELECTRIC paramotor (I posted video of him taking off on my shorts). I did some digging and the electric motor the setup uses is a MAD M50 C35 EEE KV40 Heavy Lift Manned Drone Motor. The full kit is sold as OpenPPG SP140. But if you can manage to get your hands on one or more of these motors via one of your generous sponsors I’d love to see what your imagination can do with it.
I was a tug captain in that area for 27 years. Also did search and rescue in the Coast Guard at Westport and Seattle for 6 years. Wearing a life jacket damned near got me killed many times. In and out of the cut with 200'-400' of gravel and freight barges often loaded to 12,000 tons. The Duck Dodge and tugboats . Geeeez! Moving ships in and out of dry-dock. Boy we hated the sailboats most, then the rowing shells, and finally the clueless. The commercial tug boater's mindset is out of phase with most pleasure boaters.
The sailboaters never did get it. (I'm sure it was the 5% that just had to get in our way)
"I'm a sailboater!!!! I have the right of way!!!! As they slid down the side of the barge.
I will say, all your videos are exciting and intriguing. That is one of the coolest things I've seen on that waterway.
Consider nozzles around the props. Keep revolutions under 200 RPM. And hang tires all around your skiff! Become one with the tug! ;-)
For your bendy pushrod steering, you could make it stiffer and lighter by going to a larger diameter tubing.
So many stinkbugs this year, you spotting one on the boat gave me a chuckle =)
I love these videos, so relaxing yet interesting at the same time.. 👍😎👍
Excellent shanty, sir
Edit: what a nice video man, thanks for taking us along for the ride!
Great video as always man! Keep up the great work. But as others have said maybe think about a life preserver and a kill switch similar to one on a jet ski. Maybe even program something in the auto pilot where if you fell overboard and pulled the kill switch the boat would go into loiter mode and return to the GPS spot where you fell over? Of course that could lead to the boat running over your unconscious body but hey, science!
love the song!
edit: also +1 for reusing the glass jar for your lunch! So much to like about this video
I have phobia of water, barely know how to swim 10meters before sinking from exhaustion, don't really like boats (I feel weird if there are more than tiny little waves) and yet I thoroughly enjoy all this series about your new electric boat!
The Barrett’s privateers parody was awesome music is always the highlight of your videos
Have you considered printing torosidal propellers? They’re supposed to have great efficiency both in water and air. Awesome video btw!
Not only are you a phenomenal engineer you also sing a pretty good shanty 0:57 . Great job mate 👏
I wonder what happens if you fall off the boat into the river? Will the boat continue its mission?
Yes
it’s so cool seeing these swirlys around the props
Nice work Daniel! And I love the custom sea shanties!
I think it's safe to say that a lot of people care about your safety. Please take that to heart.
Not sure if you've heard of Sharrow Marine but they're a fairly new boat propeller company that is bringing a new prop design to the consumer market using some cool geometry. It would be awesome if you were able to replicate the design they developed and show if there is a benefit in propulsion and efficiency based on the design. They've won all kinds of innovation awards over the last 2 years, so it seems like promising tech involved.
I came here to suggest that. I've been looking at the drone prop variant from MIT that was making the rounds recently. The Sharrow is more than double the efficiency of a standard prop when just trolling along at half throttle. Traditional 15" prop 43% at 3000 RPM vs 87% for the Sharrow. Sharrows cost a fortune because they're worth it. I you run a fishing or touring boat business, the fuel savings would recoup the cost in no time. There are 3D models of Sharrow-styled props out there. At low or high RPM the Sharrow still improves but much less so than the midrange.
So enjoyable to watch and listen to your random thoughts.
Boat camping is awesome! Boat camping without relying on the wind is even more awesome!
This was awesome. I'm curious to see how you've made the buck converter in a box and the front lights
Dude, the entertainment of these videos, the fun, you can tell you're having a blast
I love your videos. I don't know if its a good idea, but can you do something with toroidal propellers? For a drone or as a boat propeller.
I'd love to see you experiment with 3d printed toroidal propellers. As far as planing, those whaler hulls are very heavy, a hardbottom inflatable or aluminum Jon boat are both under 100lbs and would make a huge difference in ability to plane.
a 13' whaler is NOT heavy. they plane quite easily with even a 9.9
Wribg
@ct1762 a 13' whaler is around 300lbs, and well over 400 if it has seats, center console or the foam is waterlogged. The boats I mentioned are around 100lbs so it is quite heavy comparatively. That is a huge difference if you're trying to plane with a low ammount of power.
@@feedurheadhesaid yes but it still planes easily with a 9.9. waterlogging is entirely different issue. a 15' weighs 500-550 lbs. a 13' with a 15'' transom and a tiller is not 400 lbs. 20'' transom getting close. the big flat bottom has alot to do with how easily it gets up. many little tenders are 1/2 the weight but struggle to plane w same HP due to hull design and how far aft you are
@@ct1762 it's extremely heavy in comparison
This guy is a genius, he must be an electrical engineer or an engineer of some sort. Guy comes up with some outside the box contraptions, I love it.
Can you try with toroidal propellers? Should be amazing! 😁
Loved the Barrett’s privateers parody. I’m actually from Nova Scotia! Near Halifax on Cape Breton Island
You should try 3D printing a toroidal propeller. They claim it to be more efficient and silent. I watch all your videos and find them educational and interesting. Congratulations! 👍
Yeah I was going to say the same.
They were developed for quad drones, so quite different usage than a propeller used in water. A drone prop spins very fast in a light medium while a boat prop spins a lot slower in a comparatively much heavier medium. This changes what profile will work for the blades, what the angle of attack should be, the diameter, the blade area, in short everything changes.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, just that it wont be as easy as using the same prop, just in water. Another UA-camr, Major Hardware if I remember correctly, tried printing a version that could be used as a regular fan and the results were not encouraging. But again, there's a huge difference in designing a prop that will spin very fast and one that will spin at say a thousand RPM or so. There's also the fact that the fans he test are ducted which can influence the efficiency. But mostly it's a new design with unknown properties and very little information on the exact shape and angle of attack used. So it could just be a case of discovering the right parameters.
That version of Barrett’s Privateers was beautiful 🤩 This was such an awesome video man love your stuff
Oh boy, this stacked amount of LiPos... just imagined that going of in a fire which surely would still burn while already being on the ground for some minutes... 😅
I’d love to see how higher aspect ratio props would work for these low speeds. As long as you can keep the tip speed low enough to avoid cavitation they should be much more efficient.
Its awesome to sea some country that I am familiar with. I have been in and worked around. I'm a tradesman...plumbing mostly. If you weren't so starving you could have waited 30 seconds for the burrito...props on the the delivery!
Imagine the fireworks display if your boat started sinking.
only if the lipo cells are punctured will you see so called firework display
Narwhal attack
@@MrUnder30seconds They absolutely can burst without puncturing them. If you short them out they will dump a crazy amount of current and will start thermal runaway and burst.
@@rubiconnn you have a vivid imagination don't you?
@@MrUnder30seconds Are you implying thermal runaway by short circuiting isn't real?
I'm your biggest fan. Take me lake boat camping! You are always doing cool stuff. I'm so envious. Please let me ride along. I'll film. I'll bring you a burrito!
It can get pretty windy in the evenings, I don't really like running when it's dark out there. I can't believe you went that far that slow, that would be absolutely brutal. That's a decent trip at 30 mph
From a dinghy sailing perspective, moving the centre of gravity further forward in the boat will lift the stern out of the water , this prevents it from "digging a hole" and increases efficiency , hopefully that might help
You should try making Toroidial propellers, you have all the basic capabilities to make such a prop. if done properly they could have promising results in efficiency. plus they would look really cool.
they're over hyped
Excellent video. Unexpected battery life.
The cool little swirls around your propeller tips, that's not cavitation, is it? It's just a bit of ventilation from when the prop moves through some of the bubbles made by your wake, right?
it is cavitation
@@somethingelse2740 I just wonder why it only seems to happen occasionally.
@@DaimyoD0 Directional pressure on the hull vary by wind and waves which constantly change. This transfers to varying load pressure on the prop resulting in higher and lower chances for momentary cavitation? Take this with a grain of salt. I'm not a fluid dynamics expert, but I do pretend to be one on the internet occasionally.
Singing a shanty earns you a subscription and a like. Excellent video!
Love the music / singing. Reminds me of the early days of Australian convict / folk music (I know they are V different, but couldn't think of a better description).
I can watch these videos all day, keep em coming dude
This thing is so cool now you got to build a super fast one
27:41 Stehiken or bust! That sounds like a wonderful journey. (The town at the end of lake chelan; The lake is 50 miles long through beautiful wilderness)
111 mioe rabge kes the half duscharge
I love watching these videos. The views you get while on your adventures are things I'd never see otherwise. LOL
Welcome to night boating. Solar panels aren’t going to help you but night cruises are the best. No wind. No wake. Just good times. Have fun Daniel.
Warmed my heart it did, hearing that reference to Canada's undoubtedly greatest singer-songwriter ever.
It is good to see people on lake Washington rowing, such a great sport
I Love The Song Parodies In All Of Your Videos!!!!