It's not what it's designed for. Wing chun has a definite focus on ambush attacks. Match fights start at a whole different range. I trained wing chun for six years, so I have some understanding of how it works.
Holy Moly! Been following Izzo for years! So happy you gentlemen got together for your first video collab. This one! I’m super excited!! This is exactly what I would want to watch. Especially in a sport combative sense cause I see it’s potential in the ring. Love this can’t wait to see more like this!
I immediately subbed here when Izzo had Ilan here on his channel for that interview and have been following since. It's great to see these two guys chatting about martial arts again.
My wing chun experience goes back 40 years, that is, I've met a number of wing chun people who are for real fighters. Wing chun isn't the big joke people online make it out to be. But it is true that wing chun will not work well in the ring - even Bruce Lee could barely defeat an amateur boxer back when he was in Hong Kong. For self-defense though, wing chun is very practical.
I think it depends on the style and teacher and focus. Dominick has some great points and every time he discusses it with me i learn something about it
Because WC, like Silat, Krav Maga, Okinawa Karate like Uechi, Goju or Ryuei are for self defense, not for combat. A ring situation is a combat, not a self defense situation.
I think it's only good for super close quarters combat, like when a drunken bar goer puts his hands on you. In this instance I think Aikido or aiki Jujitsu also can work.
So cool you had Izzo on here. Ive been watching him since he was sitting in the squad car. He always has unique insites from actually using his art (and strength) to control people for his job. The way he practices is different vs a school that needs to pay the bills and keep enrollment up. If others are game it would be cool to see more people of different styles on the show.
The "drunken master" that GSP brought onto TUFF was Jean-Charles Skarbowski. He's an absolute savage and legend in the kickboxing circuit. He was an incredibly durable journeyman for 2 DECADES.
It's so satisfying to observe someone with experience have expectations subverted, immediately picking up on someone else's potential. Especially when they have every reason to be jaded. It almost emphasizes their passion by reminding us that on some level, they really want to see others successfully represent what they love so much. Plus I'm not at all afraid to admit how much I enjoyed a legend like Dominick repeating what we've all said about Ilan at some point. Every video has shown me the true value of criticism is in discerning the potential in the lesser as well as the greater.
Xiao Long, if it is using Chinese, is little dragon. It would be pronounced she-aow3 long2. For those that don't know, the numbers at the end denote the tone (Chinese is a tonal language).
If you want to communicate the tones you can use the actual tone over the letter. For example Xiǎo Lóng (小龙）(it helps if you have the Chinese keyboard enabled, because the English keyboard doesn’t allow for the same marks.)
@@girthehuman7853 the Chinese keyboard, at least the pinyin one only types in simplified characters though, right? Is there a way I can get it to show English with the tone markings? And how do I know which letter the tone indicator should go?
@@girthehuman7853 well, I *am* Taiwanese American, so I "should" be able to speak both. Honestly though a lot of my Taiwanese/Chinese American peers cannot really speak Mandarin, there really any need to I guess. Plus my Mandarin was really quite poor; taking four semesters of simplified Chinese in college helped some but I ended up marrying a Chinese woman which did the most to help me Mandarin. But yes, I agree, I think being multi lingual is wonderful and I want my kids to be at least as fluent as I am. I still want to say though that I feel my Mandarin is still really lacking and I follow some intermediate level Chinese teachers on UA-cam to try and learn new words. I do notice that we kind of end up developing our own version of Chinglish at home which does nothing to push oneself further. (This was obvious when listening to my brother speak to my mom at a family dinner last night, but I won't deny I still have to use some English with her sometimes 😅)
Awesome!!! Whenever people suggest to me that Wing Chun is ineffective, I always tell them to first check-out Dominick Izzo and then we can continue the conversation. I have been training (Kung Fu, Silat and other stuff) for almost 60 years and in my opinion, this guy is the real deal!!!
The end of your video nailed it. I spent a year in a Seattle school basically branched directly from Jame DeMiles. In the end it was an awesome blend of non-classical WC with Boxing undertones [still there]. In other words, conditioning including circuit-type boxing training with all kinds of bags... This was a reality school with outside challenges accepted. You learned quickly what works and all the rest...and how to train properly.
You put me in a corner and I would choose Wing Chun, if I wanted to drive some1 in a corner I'd choose Wing Chun. Open field I'd take something different
@@EgardWatchesin my experience Eli approaches martial arts correctly. If you only drink out of 1 glass everything will taste the same eventually but if you use different cups for each drink you'll get to enjoy the full flavor of everything.
@@johndough8115yadayadayada I did this I beat Godzilla etc. only videos of WC getting battered on UA-cam. When a direct lineage wing chun master gets beaten by a boxer using only ONE hand. It proves 'without a shadow of a doubt' Wing Chun is a scam.
@kurttestruth7757. Absolutely! Most do not know how & get their ass kicked by boxers & other strikers. It is about pressure & control fighting requiring full body power, not limbs.
Your videos are excellent in my opinion especially due to how you break things down. I always learn something cool! I didn't realize I wasn't subscribed, this vid made me subscribe! 👍💯
I think the weight lifting thing gets put aside when you see some Bodybuilders with zero Training proclaim that they can beat anyone regardless of training below their weight. I'm not pointing at anyone in particular as it's probably been a thing for awhile. Judokas are some of the buffest dudes I've seen.
Izzo: You're a man after my heart. I did 20+ in LE (including undercover narc). I topped out at 5'8, but now post 60 I'm about 2 inches shorter. Thus, I powerlifted and followed with martial arts (all flowing from being an undersized kid and the youngest in my class). Love your attitude.
Running is running. I'm 56 I live in UK where the winner is the criminal. I still forget I'm 56 when I'm threatened. I practice kali. Bjj, wrestling, boxing, and tai chi chuan. However my major weapon is self belief. I know I will win. Thinking makes you better because you become more you. BTW I'm strong from bjj, wrestling and animal flow. Not weights.
Weights help with martial arts as a Bajiquan, Baguazhang & multiple other styles, exponent. Old Chinese proverb startes, Chi needs a strong house to reside in. That house is muscle 🤜🫷 Fuck yeah bulk up strike, trees or hard objects. & hit like like the opponent stole from you !
Interesting points about seeing improvements after taking a break; Huberman did a podcast about the science behind mental reps leading to improvements in physical skills.
I'm glad he came on the show and clarified the critiques of Wing Chun. I met a Wing Chun instructor that told me about different styles of Wing Chun 🤯 (not the politics of it). He was talking about knee fighting; that could combine well with Greco Wrestling. When I do Escrima, everyone thinks I know Wing Chun (which I don't), but after this video, I'm thinking 🤔 my extensive wrestling background combined with the other arts I've studied must just look like it to them.
I’m loving how Dominick is going deep here. When you start to analyse your style. It’s an incredible experience as these concepts & principles cross from, fighting to your everyday life even into art. I not only do martial arts, but I write. I’m also creating a hybrid animal style. Based on the strength and toughness of the Australian kangaroo. So another animal style with principles and mechanics from Bajiquan, Piquazhang, Baguazhang, Hsing yi, Muay Thai, Karate, Indonesian, martial arts, Kenpo and western boxing. Along with animal mimicry of the kangaroo its strength, how holds its body and yes I’m Australian. I’m working on my own breathing Chi Kung. Isometric training, like in Hung gar. Hard body, striking conditioning, striking trees, etc. Ground, fighting and more. So I’m understanding what it’s like to analyse a lot of these things because I’m creating a new martial art based in Australia.
this kids in that sparring mindset because he can’t be in an assassins mindset during a sporting event... if he knows anything about the higher levels, he knows he can never walk into an octagon and be anything other than a sparring mode because once you get beyond that it can get lethal real quick
Love your channel, Ilon. I contacted Darren Felsot after your video with him, and if our schedules line up, I might take up Silat with him. As I get older, weapons oriented traditional martial arts make more and more sense to me (I’m mainly a Chinese martial arts guy who has done some BJJ and FMA and other stuff over the past 3 decades.)
@@inside_fighting that would be cool. Lately my training has mainly consisted of solo Chen Tai Chi and Hsing-I training, and I’ve been looking to get into something new, that has practical self defense value, and is also an art that has depth. I’m in my mid-40’s, and the combat sports have a little less appeal to me than when I was younger. And I conceal carry, and I’ve never gotten much practical blade training, and Silat looks like it covers that very well. Plus it looks like fun.
When speaking of Bruce Lee, it would be a smart move to first think and remember that he was the reason why martial arts enthusiasm and attendance soared to never before seen levels in the world… Bruce Lee did not say something didn’t work. Bruce Lee said that certain things work for certain people better than others. For that reason, he adopted what worked for him and did not bother with things he discovered did not work for him. Others could choose a different set of skills and they should, as Bruce Lee said. Furthermore, nobody beat the crap of Bruce Lee when he would go back to Hong Kong. That is just such disrespect to the person who singlehandedly put bread on the table for all martial arts teachers, especially the Wing Chun ones.
This dude is the best representative of wing Chung in an actual fight I've ever seen! Their is openings to be exploited, but their was promise here too. Nice job and video guys!
put aside all the criticism and all the jokes, big kudos for those guys for stepping in a wring, even a non pro wring, with crowds around, putting their skill to the test, filming it, and broadcasting it. btw, sent you email few months ago about the multi-person fighting, and i believe it got lost in the way, just a reminder :)
This dude used to hang with Lenny Sly I think is his name. A TOUGH TALKING AIKIDO GUY. A funny guy in my opinion. “My Aikido is deadly”. Gave me Seagal vibes. Lol I was under Lloyd Irvin in Maryland. But I wasn’t a part of his little cult. He was phenomenal with leg locks.
I'm 57. I've been training for 53yrs. A good portion of that time was sport fighting. I think about martial arts and combatives all the time. Almost all of my practice now is combatives based. I'm a Strength and Conditioning Coach. I'm always in the gym. Good Journey!
Wing Chun is close combat defense focused, however, it's offensive counters are deadly, and is more based on 1 shot 1 kill..throat shots are common, so my answer to it being included as a style in ufc is big No..not unless you want to increase the body count for ratings..which is evil..balance must be maintained between sport fighting and combat kill fighting.
I used to think Wing Chun was really unique, but to be honest looking at a lot of other Kung Fu styles you start to see that they are a lot the same. Wing Chun will just emphasise some things like close fighting and stance, different hand blocks and training in a drill like Chi Sao.
wing chun is very similar to a whole lot of other southern style "short fist" types of kung fu, chow gar, five ancestors, pak mei, white crane, etc. it exists as a part of an extensive family of martial arts endemic to southern china, many were developed by the hakka peoples who then disseminated idea's to other chinese ethnic groups, these southern styles went on to heavily influence okinawan karate
@@M_K-Bomb hi good wing chun is close body , short strike , hard to find good chun on line . Yik Kam and pin sun are good branches of this fantastic system .
Wing Chun guy seems to not have made the transition from sparring to fighting. He isn't trying to hurt the other guy, but bald bro is trying to hurt him (pathetically I must say).
His record is literally 2-1. He's still an amateur. And he's using streetbeefs as a venue. If this were a sanctioned fight against another trained opponent, it would have been different.
I love this Channel! Good video on wing chun break down. In a street fight I’ll use everything. Wing Chun Muay Thaï Krav Maga, Karaté boxing , Pankration
I have read that there is a style of Wing Chun that engages from longer distances,called Law Family Snake Pattern Wing Chun, it has specific training exercises like Suen sao Snake hands,and Huen Sao. I cannot find any description of how these exercises are or their training though.
I just thought of it, by Dominick's standard of if Wing Chun and boxing has ground game... It actually does. Especially Wing Chun. Since the whole point of Wing Chun's strikes is to be rooted to the ground to generate power, being on your back actually helps since you can deliver Wing Chun punches and stomping kicks to the opponent above in the same way you would push on a chest press or leg press machine. And if you are above the opponent, well, stomp on them or go ground pound
@inside_fighting IzzoWingChun is 100% right if I want to explore and dabble in other arts other than beyond your typical boxing Muay Thai wrestling bjj choices I go straight to you. With everything circulating about how any other art isn’t good and bs bc it’s not in MMA really is off putting, I enjoy all your content and u encourage me to explore out of my comfort zone entertain my thoughts about exploring other arts. 🙏🏽
i love you two making those free references to the logicals of Martial arts. I dont no how to say, but i can say this: they all want to impress, but it's all a show if it'S filmed. Only thing real, is i am real, and i dont fear, so do you two, and i like that! no sexual stupidity's, i have a majeur fighting conditionning, and i am learning from this video the most simple thing, to take my time to live a little, and see the martials arts continuing to grow in my mind! you guy'S are the first i hear talking about it! BRAVO
Could this have been more fun, I'd love for either of you guys check out Sergio Perez from Practical Combat, he sparred gloveless with Icy Mike in an older video, great wing cbun concepts there too, regardelss I hope this dynamic duo becomes a series haha, could listen to you two guys talk for days, much love for both of you💪🥊🔥
Great video guys. Still say its the practioner . Train realistically, train for what you are likely to encounter. Drill, pressure test. Rinse. Wash again 😅. I MUST say though, that for all of the guff that Wing Chun gets for not being effective, the SAME IS OFTEN SAID ABOUT THE Filipino arts. Again, its the " Artist". Many concepts are sound, depends on Who you are, how you train. As for the " tough Karate" training and stuff, I agree....TO A POINT. Izzo is right...Become 50 + and THEN see what your Martial mentality is( empty Hand). Again guys, become 50 and physically see what " works for you". Parking lot, Supermarket, Subway station, Ballgame....SO MANY places where violence happens, where you maybe can't run and have no firearm. ....THEN see what art you use.
I don't think anyone is (seriously) say that kid is a Wing Chun master. You've got to compare like level to like level. At an intermediate level student, that kid gave a great showing for Wing Chun. It doesn't need to be perfect to have recognizable value. This was a fun conversation.
It's awesome to see this collaboration to discuss WC, which I hope to see more often with other traditionalist teachers/coaches. Very nice explanation of wing chun and the applicaitons here. Good job, guys Ilan, f you ever want to talk about more Bajiquan, I recommend my coach, Vincent Mei.
My Sifu doesn't lift weights either. He said he used to go to gym tp bulk up but he learnt how to build muscle without it. He keeps his muscles elastic so it allows him to move better. His power comes from the fascial which he spends a lot of time building.
@@MustAfaalik his technqiues do include that. He had found a way to use Nei Gong to work on the Fascial which then builds the muscles and keep them loose instead of having tight muscles like what happens by going to the gym. He is nearly 70 and his body is like mid 30 to 40 age
Very good video and analysis. Especially about aging. I am 64 now I will not have the endurance I did when I was younger. But I do have speed and power still. This is from weight training and speed training. But I also carry with me a force continuum from a bulletproof clipboard shield and pepper spray up to the highest end a firearm. Whatever the confrontation, it will have to end quick because endurance will be a factor.
That increased mental clarity when not physically engaged that you speak of, in my opinion, is the reason that of all the books Bruce Lee wrote about his art, the Dao of JKD is the most ‘valuable’! Because that’s the one he wrote while he was recovering from his back injury. When a physical person is incapacitated for some reason, all the passion and energy for and of the art, gets redirected into the psycho spiritual realm, and there, wonderful things happen eg, the Dao of JKD. Thanks gentlemen.👊🏿👊🏻👊🏼
Ive been an Izzo fan since b4 he was thick. While we dont agree on everything, our interpretation of W.C. is pretty damn similar. He is one of a few people i actually want to travel out to where they are, if they are willing to sell 3 days of privates. I have to do one more fam vaca, then the next three are just to get tuned up by folks like him, Adam, and Jason 👍
For those desiring to finger thrust to sinuses with potential forehead interception. There are plastic hairbrushes and Spanking Spoons from S&M supply places, for beginner level conditioning like I do.
I used to like Izzo's content since I think TMA is practical for self-deference but people aren't testing it or sparring with it. But then things got a bit of the retarded, with the drama in his channel. When people started to Dox because they hated his opinion, Also I stopped taking him seriously When Izzo said the 52 guys were the great dirty boxing. In my mind, I told myself Izzo boxing isn't that great if he thinks the 52 block is great. Since I was raised in the NYC Bronx I know about the 52-block history of losing fights and stealing from Wing Chin into their boxing. But you know what i noticed most cops are into TMA . have muscle they tend to be rush fighters which they close up the gap then tackle you to that grown. like this other UA-cam that's a Cop said "When you in a street situation you don't to know that much, just get in close range"
Not sure where I said 52 blocks is great dirty boxing. But I will say that Lyte Burly is a PHENOMENAL fighter, martial artists, teacher, coach and person. But you do you.
@@IzzoWingChun idk Everyone has there own opinion. Specailly some of 52 block teachers say their art it came from Egypt /Prymids or it vague description where it came from. Or back when I lived in the Bronx I heard Lyte has a record of losing street fights. Also years I have been in Kickboxing/self-defense, 52 Block doesn't look practical at all. Like I think the KFM guys look more practical then them.
Fun fact, the guys name Xiao Long, means little dragon in Mandarin. In the mainland when they speak of Bruce Lee they refer to him as Lee Xiao Long, Lee the little dragon. Thought you guys might enjoy that, Little Dragon and Peanut.
This is directed to the older guy The Wing Chun guy who said he is afraid he will gas out. Look up stepflix salsa and Dr mocor rebounding. You'll practice a long range of motion in many axes very complete movement, and you'll get a bigger gas tank it's great cardio.
The ability to stay hyper relaxed under fire is your super power in Chinese martial arts. Boxing, muay thai are more rooted in tension. Only got effective once I realized this, but totally agree in high effect conditioning.
People bring up that no karate or kung-fu guy won the ufc tournaments back in the day but neither did pure boxers or muay-thia fighters. But in those tournaments karate and kung-fu guys did knockout boxers and muay-thia guys on the feet
I will admit Dominick Izzo really isn't the idea of a fast-moving Wing Chun guy so his talking about not prioritising a body type for speed and putting on muscles for strength is rather different than some regular generic Wing Chun guy. Great insight from Dominick, I was listening closely to everything he said.
For context, the wing chung guys is military from joint base lewis machord. These guys are both from Washington state and there is very few options, beside tae kwon do for martial arts training.
What wing chun technique is practical in real fight? Its very rare to see a stylistic type of fighter in mma wherein you actually the specific style of martial art that is not often used in mma, like Machida with Karate or Cung Lee with Taekwondo. I saw that obasi fight but hes just doing a wing chun stance but after that hes not doing any wing chun.
It used to be the in thing with all the films, hype, but then suddenly a lot of practicioners were exposed because the real lack of pressure testing, and to be fair that some things don't work well against other arts like grappling, wrestling, MMA. The Wing chun guys are to hung up on protecting their art and investment, rather than evolve. Like this guy, 235 in the vid, sure mass, power, vs endurance, speed, and when it comes down to it determination, heart.
I just want to add aswell & watching this just proves my point. In alot of do jo style sports martial arts you are tought to hold back when striking instead of going all out. & thats where they fail in full contact arenas. Because point striking is far different then striking to hurt someone. So if your going to be training to hurt someone you cant stop & withdrawl & start tapping its not a game. & when the wing chun guy first got the other guy on the floor he shoukd of finished him there & then. But he didnt you can see he stopped & started to hold back on his punches because he was still thinking he was still back in the club practicing. But in a real fight you cant do that you have to punch through your opponent not stop inches away. If your training to fight then fight. If your training to score points then do that. There is no inbetween in real fighting you have to strike like you mean it.
@UnjustVerdict I'm not for wing chun I don't like wing chun or any of the traditional martial arts I've done in the past. I prefer real self protection training Lee Morrison & Geoff thompson were both my teachers back in the day after I wasted nearly 20 years in doing different martial arts which didn't do anything but make me question its reality in real fighting. Nobody fights like that anymore were in 2024 now. Even bruce Lee back in the late 60s changed his style as he admitted wing chun & traditional styles do not work in a real situation its just a classical mess when your confronted with someone who doesn't want to play nice. The street is far different then any arena including mma. Real fighting is anything goes no rules. If there was no rules then fights would be over in seconds not min Even in mma there are rules no eye gauging no groin kicks no hair pulling or biting. There was a true story told to me by an ex military guy I know where a mma expert challenged an ex military special forces guy because the mma guy thought he was invincible & was a bully & could beat anyone including an ex military guy who was sick & tired of this bully. The fight was arranged & witnesses present. The mma guy took up a classic mma style stance & started to bounce around in circles around the military guy. But suddenly when the mma guy got close to him the army guy thrust his thumb right in the mma guy eye socket & he was in so much pain he collapsed in a heap & rolling around the floor. The fight lasted less then 30 seconds. People said afterwards that it was unfair & the army guy cheated. He replied did he want a fight or a dance he played his rules I played mine. True story 👍
Long time BJJ practitioner here, Getting older and tired of my body feeling lousy from sparring much younger and heavier guys all the time. Thinking about taking Kung Fu locally. It seems like a close in style that will probably compliment BJJ. Seems like it would be good exercise and fun.
What do you guys think of Wing Chun in a combat sports setting?
lol not much
Great video. Spot on
@@chip877it seems unfortunately wing chun has a bad reputation
I think that, like all traditional styles, it will take time but you'll get there if you spar and apply concepts and techniques
It's not what it's designed for. Wing chun has a definite focus on ambush attacks. Match fights start at a whole different range. I trained wing chun for six years, so I have some understanding of how it works.
The wing Chun master hit on the nail! This was an excellent exchange in ideas! Something I don't see in other martial arts vloggers!
Thanks so much! Dominick Izzo is amazing.
Holy Moly! Been following Izzo for years! So happy you gentlemen got together for your first video collab. This one! I’m super excited!! This is exactly what I would want to watch. Especially in a sport combative sense cause I see it’s potential in the ring. Love this can’t wait to see more like this!
Appreciate that. He’s awesome! Hope to do more with him.
I immediately subbed here when Izzo had Ilan here on his channel for that interview and have been following since. It's great to see these two guys chatting about martial arts again.
Thanks for subbing back then brother. Izzo is awesome 🙏🏼
Thank you!
My wing chun experience goes back 40 years, that is, I've met a number of wing chun people who are for real fighters. Wing chun isn't the big joke people online make it out to be. But it is true that wing chun will not work well in the ring - even Bruce Lee could barely defeat an amateur boxer back when he was in Hong Kong. For self-defense though, wing chun is very practical.
I think it depends on the style and teacher and focus. Dominick has some great points and every time he discusses it with me i learn something about it
Bruce Lee had no Wing Chun experience yet when he had that Boxing match in school.
Because WC, like Silat, Krav Maga, Okinawa Karate like Uechi, Goju or Ryuei are for self defense, not for combat. A ring situation is a combat, not a self defense situation.
I think it's only good for super close quarters combat, like when a drunken bar goer puts his hands on you. In this instance I think Aikido or aiki Jujitsu also can work.
@@christopherwalker6056 Exactly. Good point.
So cool you had Izzo on here. Ive been watching him since he was sitting in the squad car.
He always has unique insites from actually using his art (and strength) to control people for his job. The way he practices is different vs a school that needs to pay the bills and keep enrollment up.
If others are game it would be cool to see more people of different styles on the show.
Appreciate you!
The "drunken master" that GSP brought onto TUFF was Jean-Charles Skarbowski. He's an absolute savage and legend in the kickboxing circuit. He was an incredibly durable journeyman for 2 DECADES.
It's so satisfying to observe someone with experience have expectations subverted, immediately picking up on someone else's potential. Especially when they have every reason to be jaded. It almost emphasizes their passion by reminding us that on some level, they really want to see others successfully represent what they love so much. Plus I'm not at all afraid to admit how much I enjoyed a legend like Dominick repeating what we've all said about Ilan at some point. Every video has shown me the true value of criticism is in discerning the potential in the lesser as well as the greater.
Thank you man 🙏🏼 i liked seeing Izzo get excited about his system as well.
Ilan is THE MAN!
I think finding the Right instructor is more important than which the name of their Tao.
The instructor is everything
for real
Definitely
Xiao Long, if it is using Chinese, is little dragon. It would be pronounced she-aow3 long2. For those that don't know, the numbers at the end denote the tone (Chinese is a tonal language).
If you want to communicate the tones you can use the actual tone over the letter. For example Xiǎo Lóng (小龙）(it helps if you have the Chinese keyboard enabled, because the English keyboard doesn’t allow for the same marks.)
Btw, I hardly run into people who can speak both English and Chinese as well. Love to see it!
@@girthehuman7853 the Chinese keyboard, at least the pinyin one only types in simplified characters though, right? Is there a way I can get it to show English with the tone markings? And how do I know which letter the tone indicator should go?
@@girthehuman7853 well, I *am* Taiwanese American, so I "should" be able to speak both. Honestly though a lot of my Taiwanese/Chinese American peers cannot really speak Mandarin, there really any need to I guess.
Plus my Mandarin was really quite poor; taking four semesters of simplified Chinese in college helped some but I ended up marrying a Chinese woman which did the most to help me Mandarin. But yes, I agree, I think being multi lingual is wonderful and I want my kids to be at least as fluent as I am.
I still want to say though that I feel my Mandarin is still really lacking and I follow some intermediate level Chinese teachers on UA-cam to try and learn new words. I do notice that we kind of end up developing our own version of Chinglish at home which does nothing to push oneself further. (This was obvious when listening to my brother speak to my mom at a family dinner last night, but I won't deny I still have to use some English with her sometimes 😅)
Awesome!!! Whenever people suggest to me that Wing Chun is ineffective, I always tell them to first check-out Dominick Izzo and then we can continue the conversation. I have been training (Kung Fu, Silat and other stuff) for almost 60 years and in my opinion, this guy is the real deal!!!
Appreciate you!
@@IzzoWingChun And I, you sir! Please keep on doing what you're doing :)
The end of your video nailed it. I spent a year in a Seattle school basically branched directly from Jame DeMiles. In the end it was an awesome blend of non-classical WC with Boxing undertones [still there]. In other words, conditioning including circuit-type boxing training with all kinds of bags... This was a reality school with outside challenges accepted. You learned quickly what works and all the rest...and how to train properly.
You put me in a corner and I would choose Wing Chun, if I wanted to drive some1 in a corner I'd choose Wing Chun. Open field I'd take something different
Seems like it’s really teacher dependent also.
@@EgardWatchesin my experience Eli approaches martial arts correctly. If you only drink out of 1 glass everything will taste the same eventually but if you use different cups for each drink you'll get to enjoy the full flavor of everything.
@@johndough8115yadayadayada I did this I beat Godzilla etc. only videos of WC getting battered on UA-cam.
When a direct lineage wing chun master gets beaten by a boxer using only ONE hand. It proves 'without a shadow of a doubt' Wing Chun is a scam.
I didn’t see much if any wing Chun being used here at all.
My dude's content really would be a good desk reference 🎉
Your are my "Desk Reference". I appreciate your approach and breakdown of your content. Thanks
Wing Chun is a great in fighting system. Great close range system.
@kurttestruth7757. Absolutely! Most do not know how & get their ass kicked by boxers & other strikers. It is about pressure & control fighting requiring full body power, not limbs.
Your videos are excellent in my opinion especially due to how you break things down. I always learn something cool! I didn't realize I wasn't subscribed, this vid made me subscribe! 👍💯
Thanks brother 🙏🏼
I think the weight lifting thing gets put aside when you see some Bodybuilders with zero Training proclaim that they can beat anyone regardless of training below their weight.
I'm not pointing at anyone in particular as it's probably been a thing for awhile.
Judokas are some of the buffest dudes I've seen.
I'm a Wing Chun geek, and a fan of MMA
Izzo: You're a man after my heart. I did 20+ in LE (including undercover narc). I topped out at 5'8, but now post 60 I'm about 2 inches shorter. Thus, I powerlifted and followed with martial arts (all flowing from being an undersized kid and the youngest in my class). Love your attitude.
He’s awesome and sounds like you are awesome as well. Thanks for your time as a LEO
Appreciate you!
LOVE your channel!
THANK YOU!@@timkittle5418
Running is running.
I'm 56 I live in UK where the winner is the criminal.
I still forget I'm 56 when I'm threatened.
I practice kali. Bjj, wrestling, boxing, and tai chi chuan.
However my major weapon is self belief.
I know I will win.
Thinking makes you better because you become more you.
BTW I'm strong from bjj, wrestling and animal flow.
Not weights.
Animal flow?
@@unbroken1010 or primal flow. Loads of videos on YT. Try 20 min. It's horrible.
Izzo a master? Thanks for the laugh
Fantastic interview. Lots of good nuggets in there.
Weights help with martial arts as a Bajiquan, Baguazhang & multiple other styles, exponent. Old Chinese proverb startes, Chi needs a strong house to reside in.
That house is muscle 🤜🫷
Fuck yeah bulk up strike, trees or hard objects. & hit like like the opponent stole from you !
Great quote 💪🏽
@@inside_fighting
Thanks bro great episode 👍
Izzo is probably the best WC youtuber. He's definitely the most entertaining .
Agree fully. He has a fun practical approach to it all.
My guy, thank you for this comment.
The most entertaining? Have you seen Master Wong?
@@gerryhendewich9875 hes great but too far behind others. for example, sifu singh
Interesting points about seeing improvements after taking a break; Huberman did a podcast about the science behind mental reps leading to improvements in physical skills.
I think people under estimate the power of their mind.
I'm glad he came on the show and clarified the critiques of Wing Chun. I met a Wing Chun instructor that told me about different styles of Wing Chun 🤯 (not the politics of it). He was talking about knee fighting; that could combine well with Greco Wrestling. When I do Escrima, everyone thinks I know Wing Chun (which I don't), but after this video, I'm thinking 🤔 my extensive wrestling background combined with the other arts I've studied must just look like it to them.
I’m loving how Dominick is going deep here. When you start to analyse your style. It’s an incredible experience as these concepts & principles cross from, fighting to your everyday life even into art.
I not only do martial arts, but I write. I’m also creating a hybrid animal style. Based on the strength and toughness of the Australian kangaroo. So another animal style with principles and mechanics from Bajiquan, Piquazhang, Baguazhang, Hsing yi,
Muay Thai, Karate, Indonesian, martial arts, Kenpo and western boxing.
Along with animal mimicry of the kangaroo its strength, how holds its body and yes I’m Australian.
I’m working on my own breathing Chi Kung. Isometric training, like in Hung gar. Hard body, striking conditioning, striking trees, etc.
Ground, fighting and more.
So I’m understanding what it’s like to analyse a lot of these things because I’m creating a new martial art based in Australia.
this kids in that sparring mindset because he can’t be in an assassins mindset during a sporting event... if he knows anything about the higher levels, he knows he can never walk into an octagon and be anything other than a sparring mode because once you get beyond that it can get lethal real quick
Love your channel, Ilon. I contacted Darren Felsot after your video with him, and if our schedules line up, I might take up Silat with him. As I get older, weapons oriented traditional martial arts make more and more sense to me (I’m mainly a Chinese martial arts guy who has done some BJJ and FMA and other stuff over the past 3 decades.)
Hopefully it works out. I’ll see you at his class if you end up there 🙏🏼
@@inside_fighting that would be cool. Lately my training has mainly consisted of solo Chen Tai Chi and Hsing-I training, and I’ve been looking to get into something new, that has practical self defense value, and is also an art that has depth. I’m in my mid-40’s, and the combat sports have a little less appeal to me than when I was younger. And I conceal carry, and I’ve never gotten much practical blade training, and Silat looks like it covers that very well. Plus it looks like fun.
OOH---Dominick Izzo? Coool.
Would you be please try to make an interview with Kevin Lee or Jerry Figgiani?
Kind regards from Germany.
Salvatore
Yes definitely, I'll reach out to Kevin Lee
When speaking of Bruce Lee, it would be a smart move to first think and remember that he was the reason why martial arts enthusiasm and attendance soared to never before seen levels in the world… Bruce Lee did not say something didn’t work. Bruce Lee said that certain things work for certain people better than others. For that reason, he adopted what worked for him and did not bother with things he discovered did not work for him. Others could choose a different set of skills and they should, as Bruce Lee said. Furthermore, nobody beat the crap of Bruce Lee when he would go back to Hong Kong. That is just such disrespect to the person who singlehandedly put bread on the table for all martial arts teachers, especially the Wing Chun ones.
No way is the way, said bruce.
This dude is the best representative of wing Chung in an actual fight I've ever seen! Their is openings to be exploited, but their was promise here too. Nice job and video guys!
Great perspectives and information....these guys really know their stuff!
put aside all the criticism and all the jokes, big kudos for those guys for stepping in a wring, even a non pro wring, with crowds around, putting their skill to the test, filming it, and broadcasting it.
btw, sent you email few months ago about the multi-person fighting, and i believe it got lost in the way, just a reminder :)
Hey! I’ll look for it 🙏🏼 and i agree. Kudos to anyone who fights
This dude used to hang with Lenny Sly I think is his name. A TOUGH TALKING AIKIDO GUY. A funny guy in my opinion. “My Aikido is deadly”. Gave me Seagal vibes. Lol I was under Lloyd Irvin in Maryland. But I wasn’t a part of his little cult. He was phenomenal with leg locks.
And Sly is still one of the absolute best ambassadors of Aikido on the planet.
I'm 57. I've been training for 53yrs. A good portion of that time was sport fighting.
I think about martial arts and combatives all the time. Almost all of my practice now is combatives based.
I'm a Strength and Conditioning Coach. I'm always in the gym.
Good Journey!
Wing Chun is close combat defense focused, however, it's offensive counters are deadly, and is more based on 1 shot 1 kill..throat shots are common, so my answer to it being included as a style in ufc is big No..not unless you want to increase the body count for ratings..which is evil..balance must be maintained between sport fighting and combat kill fighting.
Wing Chun is a unique system
I used to think Wing Chun was really unique, but to be honest looking at a lot of other Kung Fu styles you start to see that they are a lot the same. Wing Chun will just emphasise some things like close fighting and stance, different hand blocks and training in a drill like Chi Sao.
@@M_K-BombWing Chun has Fujian White Crane influence. But yes, most Kung Fu uses vertical fist.
wing chun is very similar to a whole lot of other southern style "short fist" types of kung fu, chow gar, five ancestors, pak mei, white crane, etc. it exists as a part of an extensive family of martial arts endemic to southern china, many were developed by the hakka peoples who then disseminated idea's to other chinese ethnic groups, these southern styles went on to heavily influence okinawan karate
@@M_K-Bomb hi good wing chun is close body , short strike , hard to find good chun on line . Yik Kam and pin sun are good branches of this fantastic system .
It's nice to listen to some real facts, you know exactly how to explain the different arts and awareness of true martial arts, Ous! ❤🙏☯️👊respect!
Touch me and your first lesson is free!!! 😂😂😂
@inside fighting Izzo is correct your video breakdowns of other martial arts are amazing. Pretty sure ive watched every video youve made.
That’s awesome! I’m really appreciate to get that kind of feedback and knowing are getting something out of the channel.
Wing Chun guy seems to not have made the transition from sparring to fighting. He isn't trying to hurt the other guy, but bald bro is trying to hurt him (pathetically I must say).
How can you tell, they played 5 seconds of the video...
His record is literally 2-1. He's still an amateur. And he's using streetbeefs as a venue. If this were a sanctioned fight against another trained opponent, it would have been different.
I love this Channel! Good video on wing chun break down. In a street fight I’ll use everything. Wing Chun Muay Thaï Krav Maga, Karaté boxing , Pankration
wish these two clout chasers would shut up and play the fight video.
I have read that there is a style of Wing Chun that engages from longer distances,called Law Family Snake Pattern Wing Chun, it has specific training exercises like Suen sao Snake hands,and Huen Sao.
I cannot find any description of how these exercises are or their training though.
This was fucking brilliant. Never seen either of you fellas before but I want you to know now we're all best friends 😁
I just thought of it, by Dominick's standard of if Wing Chun and boxing has ground game... It actually does. Especially Wing Chun. Since the whole point of Wing Chun's strikes is to be rooted to the ground to generate power, being on your back actually helps since you can deliver Wing Chun punches and stomping kicks to the opponent above in the same way you would push on a chest press or leg press machine. And if you are above the opponent, well, stomp on them or go ground pound
@inside_fighting IzzoWingChun is 100% right if I want to explore and dabble in other arts other than beyond your typical boxing Muay Thai wrestling bjj choices I go straight to you. With everything circulating about how any other art isn’t good and bs bc it’s not in MMA really is off putting, I enjoy all your content and u encourage me to explore out of my comfort zone entertain my thoughts about exploring other arts. 🙏🏽
That means a lot. Really appreciate that feedback and glad you found the channel
More like arse wind 💨 master 😂
i love you two making those free references to the logicals of Martial arts. I dont no how to say, but i can say this: they all want to impress, but it's all a show if it'S filmed. Only thing real, is i am real, and i dont fear, so do you two, and i like that! no sexual stupidity's, i have a majeur fighting conditionning, and i am learning from this video the most simple thing, to take my time to live a little, and see the martials arts continuing to grow in my mind! you guy'S are the first i hear talking about it! BRAVO
Subscribed to the guy because he actually reached out to you
Appreciate that.
🙏🏼 awesome
That muscles make you slow myth grinds my gears. As a muscular guy, i hear it too much
It more do with just being stiff. I did Kali for while getting into certain postions made me slow but I was lifting at same time
Could this have been more fun, I'd love for either of you guys check out Sergio Perez from Practical Combat, he sparred gloveless with Icy Mike in an older video, great wing cbun concepts there too, regardelss I hope this dynamic duo becomes a series haha, could listen to you two guys talk for days, much love for both of you💪🥊🔥
Thanks man. Izzo is the best. Easy to have a convo with him.
Brian K Edwards student of Duncan Leung, under Yip Man. I have been a student of Brian K Edwards over 30 years.
Respect. Brian Edwards is my Sigung. His skill is absolutely amazing!
Great video guys. Still say its the practioner . Train realistically, train for what you are likely to encounter. Drill, pressure test. Rinse. Wash again 😅. I MUST say though, that for all of the guff that Wing Chun gets for not being effective, the SAME IS OFTEN SAID ABOUT THE Filipino arts. Again, its the " Artist". Many concepts are sound, depends on Who you are, how you train. As for the " tough Karate" training and stuff, I agree....TO A POINT. Izzo is right...Become 50 + and THEN see what your Martial mentality is( empty Hand). Again guys, become 50 and physically see what " works for you". Parking lot, Supermarket, Subway station, Ballgame....SO MANY places where violence happens, where you maybe can't run and have no firearm. ....THEN see what art you use.
Izzo’s knowledge is limited and he’s a bully.
I don't think anyone is (seriously) say that kid is a Wing Chun master. You've got to compare like level to like level. At an intermediate level student, that kid gave a great showing for Wing Chun. It doesn't need to be perfect to have recognizable value.
This was a fun conversation.
It's awesome to see this collaboration to discuss WC, which I hope to see more often with other traditionalist teachers/coaches.
Very nice explanation of wing chun and the applicaitons here.
Good job, guys
Ilan, f you ever want to talk about more Bajiquan, I recommend my coach, Vincent Mei.
My Sifu doesn't lift weights either. He said he used to go to gym tp bulk up but he learnt how to build muscle without it. He keeps his muscles elastic so it allows him to move better. His power comes from the fascial which he spends a lot of time building.
Your Sifu may be quietly doing ligament & tendon strengthening, like spring energy.
@@MustAfaalik his technqiues do include that. He had found a way to use Nei Gong to work on the Fascial which then builds the muscles and keep them loose instead of having tight muscles like what happens by going to the gym. He is nearly 70 and his body is like mid 30 to 40 age
Very good video and analysis. Especially about aging. I am 64 now I will not have the endurance I did when I was younger. But I do have speed and power still. This is from weight training and speed training. But I also carry with me a force continuum from a bulletproof clipboard shield and pepper spray up to the highest end a firearm. Whatever the confrontation, it will have to end quick because endurance will be a factor.
That increased mental clarity when not physically engaged that you speak of, in my opinion, is the reason that of all the books Bruce Lee wrote about his art, the Dao of JKD is the most ‘valuable’! Because that’s the one he wrote while he was recovering from his back injury. When a physical person is incapacitated for some reason, all the passion and energy for and of the art, gets redirected into the psycho spiritual realm, and there, wonderful things happen eg, the Dao of JKD. Thanks gentlemen.👊🏿👊🏻👊🏼
Beautiful way to see tragedy as oppurtunity.
What is the Difference between Grappling and Wrestling?
Same thing
Ive been an Izzo fan since b4 he was thick. While we dont agree on everything, our interpretation of W.C. is pretty damn similar. He is one of a few people i actually want to travel out to where they are, if they are willing to sell 3 days of privates. I have to do one more fam vaca, then the next three are just to get tuned up by folks like him, Adam, and Jason 👍
Planning vacations around training with cool people is a genius idea 🤔
I freakin love this channel
Another great video! 😊
Much appreciated!
For those desiring to finger thrust to sinuses with potential forehead interception. There are plastic hairbrushes and Spanking Spoons from S&M supply places, for beginner level conditioning like I do.
Thank you guys for this🙏
His shirt says, "Touch me, and your first lesson is free." Well, that is confidence.
I love that Peanut has a Types of Whales shirt on.
I used to like Izzo's content since I think TMA is practical for self-deference but people aren't testing it or sparring with it. But then things got a bit of the retarded, with the drama in his channel. When people started to Dox because they hated his opinion, Also I stopped taking him seriously When Izzo said the 52 guys were the great dirty boxing. In my mind, I told myself Izzo boxing isn't that great if he thinks the 52 block is great.
Since I was raised in the NYC Bronx I know about the 52-block history of losing fights and stealing from Wing Chin into their boxing. But you know what i noticed most cops are into TMA . have muscle they tend to be rush fighters which they close up the gap then tackle you to that grown. like this other UA-cam that's a Cop said "When you in a street situation you don't to know that much, just get in close range"
Not sure where I said 52 blocks is great dirty boxing. But I will say that Lyte Burly is a PHENOMENAL fighter, martial artists, teacher, coach and person. But you do you.
@@IzzoWingChun idk Everyone has there own opinion. Specailly some of 52 block teachers say their art it came from Egypt /Prymids or it vague description where it came from. Or back when I lived in the Bronx I heard Lyte has a record of losing street fights. Also years I have been in Kickboxing/self-defense, 52 Block doesn't look practical at all. Like I think the KFM guys look more practical then them.
emin boztepe did a lot a demo using wing chun in clinch and ground back in the day
Yea he was very popular for fighting with it
He's one of THE best.
This guys a machine bro.
I havent seen any quan sao, what is the VT master talking about? I'm at minute 12:39.
Fun fact, the guys name Xiao Long, means little dragon in Mandarin. In the mainland when they speak of Bruce Lee they refer to him as Lee Xiao Long, Lee the little dragon. Thought you guys might enjoy that, Little Dragon and Peanut.
What’s your take on 52 blocks system?????
This is directed to the older guy The Wing Chun guy who said he is afraid he will gas out.
Look up stepflix salsa and Dr mocor rebounding. You'll practice a long range of motion in many axes very complete movement, and you'll get a bigger gas tank it's great cardio.
Watching this video I realized that I'm gonna get old one day too. It's crazy to think about.
Absolutely correct....
Randy Williams gave many demonstrations on Wing Chun’s ground game.
I think I'd like to watch the original clip... Is there a link anywhere? I don't like the stop starting
Inside fighting, you should try to get in contact with Adam Chan from Vancouver. He is really good and his approach to wing chun is great.
Nice breakdown. Subscribed.
The ability to stay hyper relaxed under fire is your super power in Chinese martial arts. Boxing, muay thai are more rooted in tension. Only got effective once I realized this, but totally agree in high effect conditioning.
People bring up that no karate or kung-fu guy won the ufc tournaments back in the day but neither did pure boxers or muay-thia fighters. But in those tournaments karate and kung-fu guys did knockout boxers and muay-thia guys on the feet
I will admit Dominick Izzo really isn't the idea of a fast-moving Wing Chun guy so his talking about not prioritising a body type for speed and putting on muscles for strength is rather different than some regular generic Wing Chun guy.
Great insight from Dominick, I was listening closely to everything he said.
All I can do is offer my insight and hope it helps others on their path.
You want to tell me the dude on the left is Xiao Long? This reminds me a scene from "Rush Hours"....
😂😂😂
(14:35) I agree...
It looks like he's in more of a "sparring" mentality & not an actual "physical confrontation / combat" mentality... (so to speak)
Intersting conversation .
Thanks so much. I gained respect for wing chun because of Dominick
😹 The second! lesson comes with a cost!...
Pressure points and joint locks?
For context, the wing chung guys is military from joint base lewis machord. These guys are both from Washington state and there is very few options, beside tae kwon do for martial arts training.
I like this guy! His philosophy is right on.
Thank you 👊
What wing chun technique is practical in real fight? Its very rare to see a stylistic type of fighter in mma wherein you actually the specific style of martial art that is not often used in mma, like Machida with Karate or Cung Lee with Taekwondo. I saw that obasi fight but hes just doing a wing chun stance but after that hes not doing any wing chun.
Hi , go to your nearest wing chun school , and ask the same question . You should get an interesting answer.
It used to be the in thing with all the films, hype, but then suddenly a lot of practicioners were exposed because the real lack of pressure testing, and to be fair that some things don't work well against other arts like grappling, wrestling, MMA. The Wing chun guys are to hung up on protecting their art and investment, rather than evolve. Like this guy, 235 in the vid, sure mass, power, vs endurance, speed, and when it comes down to it determination, heart.
I have always thought for myself...they told me in Tae Kwon do to avoid weights.
I ignored the advice and got muscles. Now I'm as strong as they come.
I just want to add aswell & watching this just proves my point.
In alot of do jo style sports martial arts you are tought to hold back when striking instead of going all out.
& thats where they fail in full contact arenas.
Because point striking is far different then striking to hurt someone.
So if your going to be training to hurt someone you cant stop & withdrawl & start tapping its not a game.
& when the wing chun guy first got the other guy on the floor he shoukd of finished him there & then.
But he didnt you can see he stopped & started to hold back on his punches because he was still thinking he was still back in the club practicing.
But in a real fight you cant do that you have to punch through your opponent not stop inches away.
If your training to fight then fight.
If your training to score points then do that.
There is no inbetween in real fighting you have to strike like you mean it.
@UnjustVerdict I'm not for wing chun I don't like wing chun or any of the traditional martial arts I've done in the past.
I prefer real self protection training Lee Morrison & Geoff thompson were both my teachers back in the day after I wasted nearly 20 years in doing different martial arts which didn't do anything but make me question its reality in real fighting.
Nobody fights like that anymore were in 2024 now.
Even bruce Lee back in the late 60s changed his style as he admitted wing chun & traditional styles do not work in a real situation its just a classical mess when your confronted with someone who doesn't want to play nice.
The street is far different then any arena including mma.
Real fighting is anything goes no rules.
If there was no rules then fights would be over in seconds not min
Even in mma there are rules no eye gauging no groin kicks no hair pulling or biting.
There was a true story told to me by an ex military guy I know where a mma expert challenged an ex military special forces guy because the mma guy thought he was invincible & was a bully & could beat anyone including an ex military guy who was sick & tired of this bully.
The fight was arranged & witnesses present.
The mma guy took up a classic mma style stance & started to bounce around in circles around the military guy.
But suddenly when the mma guy got close to him the army guy thrust his thumb right in the mma guy eye socket & he was in so much pain he collapsed in a heap & rolling around the floor.
The fight lasted less then 30 seconds.
People said afterwards that it was unfair & the army guy cheated.
He replied did he want a fight or a dance he played his rules I played mine.
True story 👍
I love that shirt !
Izzo is awesome.
Long time BJJ practitioner here, Getting older and tired of my body feeling lousy from sparring much younger and heavier guys all the time. Thinking about taking Kung Fu locally. It seems like a close in style that will probably compliment BJJ. Seems like it would be good exercise and fun.