No hate from me, I recently found your channel and I like it. But I going to give you some mild criticism (constructive, I hope). Do more research. There's a lot of information on Fairbairn available on the web. He did have a fencing background- boxing too. And Cornish collar and elbow wrestling. In Shanghai he added Judo, Sikh wrestling (there were many Sikhs on the Shanghai Municipal Police) and trained with the Empress Dowager's bodyguards. The masks in the video are to protect the identities of people at Camp X in Ontario, where he trained Canadians as well as American OSS operatives. He had previously set up the commando and SOE training course at Achnacarry, along with his friend Eric Sykes. The masks are probably also a little theatrical flair from a man who called himself "Mr Murder-Made-Easy" In Shanghai he also started and ran the Riot Squad, where he pioneered SWAT tactics that are still in use. All this info is pretty easy to find. I hope I'm not coming off like a jerk here; I genuinely like your channel.
My grandfather trained with him so I know the story behind the Lone Ranger masks. That training film was made at Camp X in Eastern Canada for Allied Agents such as the OSS and commandos. The trainees all wore masks to protect their identities and many were enrolled in the program under aliases to protect their families
The voice-over on the sports scenes explains that sportsmanship is not appropriate on the battlefield. That the enemy will give no breaks and that it is "kill or be killed".
Yes, my grandfather trained with him and mentioned how the analogy of athletics was utilized in the training where you do want the drive and the fitness but not the gentlemanly factor. It is also notable that Fairbairn was very conservative in his language and never swore. They called him “The Deacon”
I had the privelage of learning WWII gutterfighting from a decorated WWII veteran when I was in highschool. Before I joined the military. There's more to the system they were taught than what's published in the civilian books by fairbairn which he published for income when he was suffering financial problems. There was actually some old school judo takedowns incorporated in with the unarmed strikes, knife attacks, stick attacks and sand bag attacks. It's not anything you can commercialize because it's a short curriculum that can be taught quickly. A commercial friendly martial art tends to be much more complicated and has years of training to keep students paying their teacher for years. So like BJJ instructors boasting how it takes ten years or more to achieve a first level blackbelt , that's a lucrative industry for unarmed fighting. Hapkido takes many years to achieve a basic first level black belt. Gutterfighting military combatives isn't conducive for commercialization because it can be taught & learned in a relatively short time for military training. Unfortunately I've not met anyone else whom learned it from a decorated WWII veteran but rather everyone today teaching it is only teaching what Fairbairn published in books for civilian consumption to help during his financial struggles. Barry Drennon is perhaps the only civilian publicly teaching it today whose research and presentation is closer to the real thing, but he's unaware of the judo takedowns that were incorporated in WWII military gutterfighting and the low kicks & stomps that were part of the system. Cistari was a student and early teacher of Combato under professor Bradley Steiner of Seattle Washington. I have seen vintage video footage of Cistari wearing a gi with a Combato patch on the uniform and photos of Cestari with Brad Steiner in Seattle. Cestari also visited and learned from former USMC combatives instructor Charley Nelson when Nelson was elderly. The Nelson system was another system taught in WWII to some Marines. While the Biddle system of Anthony Biddle was taught to other USMC units. Jack Dempsey taught during WWII a system mixing Catch Wrestling, Judo and Boxing to the U.S. Coast Guard. U.S. Navy were taught a system based upon Catch Wrestling by a wrestler named Wesley Brown that was called combat judo during WWII. U.S. Army Alamo Scouts and USMC raiders of WWII were taught Japanese Judo. Some U.S. Army Infantry and Airborne Light Infantry units were taught Gutterfighting. As were some U.S. O.S.S. agents. Fairbairn was on loan to the u.s. army where he taught instructors whom disseminated the material to their units. But nothing taught in WWII gutterfighting by Fairbairn wasn't already taught to U.S. Army Infantrymen during the previous WWI by U.S. Army captain Allen C. Smith. . .the true grandfather of modern army combatives in the western world, before Fairbairn ever went to Shanghai. Captain Allen C. Smith was ahead of his time. And was a boxer, Army officer, who became the first american to graduate the kodokan in Japan with a blackbelt in Kano Jiujitsu prior to WWI.
That guy at 15:40 is pretty good, that's because it's myself 😅, I spent 14 years training with Carl Cestari and was his protégé and successor. Just came across your page, best of luck with it. Clint Sporman
Man what you said about eye jabbing is true: I practice a lot of combat sports and martial arts one of them being a Okinawan style of Karate(Goju ryu) and I was taught some Atemi waza technique and really drilled them to muscle memory, a while ago I went to fight a amicable mma sparring match with a good friend of mine and as the mma gloves were different from the boxing gloves I’m used to wearing when hard sparring(boxing and Muay Thai are the other striking styles I practice) i just defaulted to the eye gauge and accidentally eye jabbed my opponent, I apologized and paused the match till he got the eye cleaned and we could resume but muscle memory is absolutely a thing and eye jabbing isn’t hard to do when you know what you’re doing and have drilled it at the end of every training day together with the other drills… Also yeah military combative systems are very straightforwards and easy to pick up and learn fast which is definitely one of their stronger points.
Knowing what you're training for and devising methods to overlearn the necessary principle tactics is very important. I heard a story once about a marine in the South Pacific who came face to face with a Japanese infantryman. He was thrown very quickly and found himself in the grip of a "naked strangle" and he reflexively tapped. To his surprise, the Japanese soldier let go of him, he spun around and killed him with his knife. He said that the Japanese was by far his superior in budo, but his training cost him his life.
Was this a treat? Yes, yes it was. Thank you. Great stuff. Great inclusion of the kung fu San Soo marine doing the eye gouge. “Chin jabs” and eye gouges are under appreciated especially for those critiquing arts that do use them for the simple reason that they are used in martial arts that aren’t about sparring and thus a loss of translation and transferability.
I've always said the lack of small joint manipulation in BJJ and most other grappling arts is the absolutely biggest glaring weakness these arts have. I have escaped God knows how many submissions by finding a finger or thumb, bending and twisting. It really can, if done well, put the complete brakes on a lot of grappling/submission techniques. Really love your videos, even if i feel like kenpo didnt quite get a fair shake 😂😂
Great. There are a number of other ww2 combatives including combat judo and a program by Jack Dempsey. It is amazing how great a lot of good ww2 systems were including FMA taught to US troops and Italian knife fighting. Thanks for posting
The actor Christopher Lee, would have been taught a lot of this during his time in the SOE behind enemy lines through WW2, that knife he uses in the demos is regarded as one of the most effective CQC weapons even to this day.
There were a lot of different military combatives developed during the war, some based on wrestling or boxing, and often including some judo or old style ju jitsu (not BJJ). You might look into Dermot O'Neill, another veteran of the SMP; he's the man who trained the Devil's Brigade. But the most important point - which I think you nailed - these weren't sport systems. Shanghai was possibly the most dangerous city in the world before WWII and Fairbairn was in the thick of it, and during the war he was training soldiers and secret agents. As you said, they didn't have time to become masters and didn't need to be, they needed to survive.
If you noticed most of his knife strikes and empty hand strikes comes from his hips and underneath the attackers line of sight they wont even see it comming.
Programs like this give you the biggest return on resources. The correct mindset. Simple techniques which are effective at disabling under a wide range of conditions in situations the trainee is likely to encounter. Familiar, standard weapons. And the whole thing leverages what the student brings to the party already - aggression, strength, and good conditioning. Spending fifteen years of repetition, sparring, multiple prize fights, changing up your game to optimize your personal performance, and being a professional gladiator with exceptional physicality who does nothing else will obviously get you further. But you start hitting diminishing returns on your time and money, especially when every hour you spend on hitting and wrestling takes away from your primary tasks. This is how to give a soldier the greatest increase in his chances of survival for a limited investment of time and money.
I worked with the BRA (british resistance archive) it's the historical society which part of its role is preserving this, the factor people forget with defendu is the whole point of it is to train soldiers how to kill on a short training time. I mean ive done over 10 years of krav maga and kapap however, the commandos defendu was being taught to might only have 12 weeks.
You should really look up this man's connection to Baguazhang. One of the baddest men he ever met was a student of Yinfu according to him. The Baguazhang of the past was more brutal than the dance seen today.
Fairbairn drew a lot on southern kung fu (that's where the chin jab/tiger claw came from) and a lot from judo. There's a lot of judo-derived stuff on throwing from the clinch followed by finishing on the ground. They're wearing masks in the training video because the guys in the training videos are actual British Special Ops Executive (the British equivalent of the American OSS) and they're protecting their identities. Krav Maga is a bastard child (I use the term illustratively, not as a pejorative) of the Fairbairn-Sykes method. Krav Maga traces to the system of fighting taught in the Israeli Palmach, which was the special forces component of the Haganah (the Jewish militia in Palestine that became the IDF when Israel was created). The Palmach (founded in May 1941) was originally trained by the British to fight the Axis in North Africa and the Middle East.
Years ago I attended a week long Police Academy training block. One of those days was spent on 'defensive tactics'. I made the mistake of telling the instructor that I had a martial arts background and sort volunteered to be his demonstration dummy. He was versed in Gutter Fighting and I recall an extremely painful day of small joint locks, hair pulling, testicle, eye, and throat strikes (BET). When combined with someone who is accustomed to resistance and timing from combat sports the result should be someone very able to handle themselves.
@giqwaju3691 I thought the same thing at first. A friend of mine who is into bagua and tai chi uses the term 'BET' as an acronym for balls, eyes, and throat.
This comes back to Urban Combatives style which is solid for pre emptive striking if you mess up the first strike now its a mma street fight, i think Dutch Muay Thai is the best Striking and a Kudo Black Belt level skills. Now i haven't tried the full face helmet but i thinks its Amazing because you can practice full contact what actually works with out getting long term head trauma damage. needs more padding on back and need to go no gi, no time limit @inside_fighting
What really impressed me was his body mechanics, footwork and balance. Fairbairn had to have been at least in his late 40’s/early 50’s here, but he is still clearly dangerous (and I think we all hope for that. What good is a man who is no longer dangerous?). Also, I love my smatchet and I own my gratitude to Bill for that as well…
Great video! You had my attention as soon as I heard 'Gutter fighting'. I've read about William A. Fairbairn before and he sounds like a hell of a man. Thanks for this.
The man at 12:01 teaches Gutterfighting at H2H protocol. You can see more of his videos on UA-cam. What is specified is not technique but opportunity. Each successful move opens the opponent to an even deadlier move.
Very good video. There's training in martial arts, and there's this real violence . People can do both in their systems but even when they do it fails as it relies on one party to comply with no resistance. It does what it says on the tin so long as you learn to die constantly by failing in the training so that you can stop, discuss, and learn to change.
Sorry, no hate to leave here. It was a good break down of the system without making a really deep dive. My Dad was a soldier in the U.S. Army 1st Infantry Division from Feb’41 until Oct’45 , so this was actually my first exposure to martial arts as a kid. And it’s still a great intro for someone who wants to learn to defend themselves without committing to a long term of training. You can literally learn all the basics in a few hours and then refine them on your own over time. But it does have limitations, like everything else. Good job.
Dad was pretty special to me, but to hear him and all his veteran friends talk they were just average guys doing a job. If you asked him about the war he was more likely to tell you about seeing a camel train in Morocco or meeting British soldiers in the hospital with accents so thick it took him a few days to get to where he understood them.@@inside_fighting
He knew what he was doing . Go into any school and ask to learn their kill moves ?, that includes most grappling and combat styles . Any move you can do simply and effectively to kill someone immediately , thst should get them thinking even some world champions I know - people train to fight not kill . Firstly under stress like war combat , gross motor skills will take over . Anything complicated will cost you your life . Secondly , you were likely facing an opponent who had gone through basic training not five years in the dojo . The chin jab was used because of helmets , kicks are stomps and boots . Nothing will beat a Sabre grip where the knife is a shield as well as a weapon , it’s easier to learn and master and be competent under extreme stress . . Anyone wanting to know what a knife can do watch a cold steel video where a sharp combat knife will take body parts in a slash and three inches to death with a stab .
@@inside_fighting speaking of the internal arts Most people laugh but it’s in all styles in you know where to find it - take care and live your videos , Thankyou. ua-cam.com/video/vEL943vD478/v-deo.htmlsi=MedmyDfEmWbIXS0h
Paul Vunak , Richard Dimitri and the infamous Chris clugston who has some great stuff on UA-cam . In the old days they were all distributed by panther productions and you had to buy the mags from paladin press ( there’s a magazine worth a video ) . Even had Australia’s erle Montaigne with the internal arts . I know his son and some of his students and the amount of information they have is extraordinary. The founded the website Taiji world - a huge body of work . Take care
A simple rear naked choke can kill someone. Any BJJ and Catch Wrestling can kill someone. A hard slam from a Judo throw can seriously injur anyone; There was a recent case of a former Marine killing a homeless man on a train because he held a rear naked choke for too long and he did it with intent.
@luxurybuzz3681 Judo hadaka jime and shime waza can kill. The throws of Judo are meant to be followed up with Judo limb breaking submissions to cripple or judo chokes & strangles to kill. There's also Judo spinal dislocations in old school judo not practiced in most IJF clubs.
His knife is very specific, like a switchblade stiletto, by that I mean a thin narrow sharp blade. Many of his moves are to put the blade point on touch then shift his weight forward and let the blade do the work with the arm held in posture. Frighteningly subtle technique. He uses a lot of sniping only closing to give point.it seems to be a series of knife fighting principles to be learned quickly.
Great video!! As someone who studies this style of close combat I can say it works!! The main thing to remember is that while it has defensive elelments to the system, the main focus is on the offensive, especially when you have to remember action is always faster than reaction. If you act first the oppent is going to have to your see your attack and then go thru the mental process to defend against it and puts them at a disadvantage. One of the hardest things for me was coming from a traditional martial arts background, was the idea of no starting stance persay. Your normal everyday standing is your stance!! There is a reason for this 1. You will not have time to take a so called stance in a reallife situation. 2. If you take a stance then you are giving up your element of surprise there by alerting your opponent and potential onlookers that you are a trained fighter, which can cause the opponent to alter or make there attack more dangerous. With that being said there is a balanced ready "stance" that can be adopted if time is available, very similar to a boxers stance in practice. Hands up and open showing nonviolent intent. This is explained in Col. Rex Applegates book Kill or be Killed. Applegate was the American student who studied under Fairbairn and who helped him train OSS and later Military Intelligence operatives in the war. He is also the one being demonstrated on, in the Zoro mask sequence in the clip you showed, by Fairbairn. The reason this system works is because it is based on Gross Motor Movements, which understress is about all most can accomplish. The mental aspects of Fight, Flight or Freeze apply here. Also because the movements are easily remembered in real life. Once you learn the system you begin to see things that are taught in more traditional martial arts that at first glance are overlooked in such a simple system. I have found many things in my studies of it, that upon reflection are like thats why that was taught that way in say Ju-jitsu for example. Sorry for the long post but it is something that I am passionate about. Thanks again for the Great video!!
Charles Wingate was his companion in this time who became important for later KAPAP what later become KM The Winate institute was named after him . Reguards and all the best for u and your channel .
this is like the real Krav Maga, and not the modern civilian BS krav maga. the real goal is to teach aggressiveness, moving forward, engaging in combat and overcome fear of freeze asap.
Krav Maga has its roots in this. During the war, Commandoes who had been trained by Fairbairn and Sykes set up a similar course in what was then commonly referred to as Palestine (I'm not trying to wade into THAT). Some future Israeli's went through that course.
If I’m recalling correctly, the entire course was 6-ish weeks, and the combatives was just small portion of that. We’re talking a very short period of time. Not sure that that was made clear. Otherwise, excellent video and great points made. My favorite line in his book Get Tough was “If you have a gun, shoot him.”
You have wonderful insight, Eli. You are right, this system was not meant to "win a UFC championship." It was meant to teach soldiers to fight for their lives in two months or less and send them out with a rifle and gear.
All your videos are beautiful and fun. Your channel is considered number one in publishing beautiful videos, especially about the world of martial arts, styles. Your channel is very inspiring.
Very nice, I especially appreciate the observation that military combatives aren’t a lifetime pursuit, but something to be learned and ingested in a few weeks. MCMAP might be more of a middle ground between combatives like this and “full” martial arts, worth looking into!
So is MAC-P. . .which is exponentially better than MCMAP due to the higher focus upon grappling and weapons. . .where MCMAP has a higher focus upon Muay Thai.
Before I get off here, this is a very interesting and informative channel. Keep it up. There's a lot of information out there and it can inform us in important ways. Thank you.
Good analysis BTW the sports videos were to illustrate two things ...skiing ....keep the knees soft and flexible...Basketball ...keep weight on the balls of the feet. His posture holding the Thompson is very similar to the Peng bou stance in Taichi. Interesting paradox sports can teach martial artists effective biomechanics but the sparring aspect of sports is detrimental to the "Kill or be killed" aspect of fighting for your life. Another influence of his teaching SOE agents was the lack of guard stances; the combative view is that taking a stance as typical in sparring is just warning your opponent and essentially saying "it's your turn" Combative technics are designed to explode out of a neutral non aggressive posture without warning of intention. The intention being to kill or disable the opponent asap to allow escape not get into 3 x 5 minute rounds of give and take mindset. The focus on palm heel and edge of hand strikes was that these weapons require very little conditioning and are relatively hard to damage. The ability to not give away information that you have skills or training before a fight is like hiding the knife....don't show it before you use it. I was on a plane as this big buff guy wearing a T-shirt with "Krav Maga instructor" on the front walked down the aisle...I was thinking "thanks mate! I now know that if for any reason I need to fight you then in need to take you out of the game before you know there is even a game because you're trained and probably better than me in a fair fight" Also check out Aikido master Gozo Shioda's autobiography he was in Shanghai around the same time os Fairbairn and gives accounts of a number of street fights he was in....his account reads much more like combatives than what people think of as Aikido. Respect to all!
Those internal Chinese Boxing systems are very nasty when employed by someone who understands the combat aspects. It's not easy to find but they seem like very effective systems for street when done properly.
Yep, I thought that he had taken a fair amount of influence from Chinese martial arts as well. I could be wrong, but I'm sure I read somewhere that he employed a lot of centre line theory as well.
So….the “chin jab”, the way it was explained to me if done properly with enough force is a kill shot. They say it’s supposed to separate the base of the skull from the spine. Supposedly there was a Mafia Hitman that used this technique with a pretty high success rate. Anyway that’s why WW2 Combatives guys like it so much.
There is a joe rogan episode where he talks about books on mobsters like the five families and stuff, and how someday a mobster was in his gym and wanted him to teach how to kill people.
@@jamesnevitt3400Bill Wolfe is an hapkido instructor and Defendu was a system taught to police in Shanghai for arresting & controlling prisoners while Gutter fighting was taught to military for combat.
Can you do a video on knife defense because inhave researched some good content to block blades correctly but some like your self who has studied blade arts might have more up to date knowledge on what actually works and obviously need to drill that to get good. The other thing be cool is a video on elite units hand 2 hand Combatives program because ive heard mixed things Hubud Lubud, The Rat System, US marine corp got an ok system, think if you interviewed someone from delta/cag or sad, etc it be a great interview the Ronnin Guy his solid likes Hubid Lubud and good with a blade 👍
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Respectfully, Fairbairn is shimmering the knife just as the commercialized African style that uses a similar movement. Fairbairn is shimmering the blade to trick the eye and make it much harder to see and defend against his attack.
Hello, I saw your video on keysi, would you do one on defence lab, which came from keysi, also what martial arts do you think would work best with this gutter fighting, karate?Wing chun? Keysi?
On the topic of mixing combat sports with military hand-to-hand combat training. I have heard one of the issues with Krav Maga is the original training was so such a limited about of stuff to learn people have went on to add various stuff to their training and thus it's variations from each other, and watering down of techniques. Also on Krav Maga and seeing how defendu / Fairbairn system defends knives, I see why Krav Maga does the same thing. It's called the 360 defence and it doesn't actually work for defending strikes.
It makes me wonder,how would someone create a system to train combatives concepts at full speed? I mean a system that would train what is commonly illegal in most combat sports: Targeting(throat,crotch,nape, eyes,mouth,hair...) Gouging and tearing Biting Small joint manipulation Small and improvised weapons
You should check out Dom Raso's ARMR-UP combatives. He's a former DEVGRU guy. I believe he trained with Kelly McCann and Lee Morrison, among others. He has some of the best no-nonsense combatives vids out there. He's also into Filipino knife work.
I have his book on the Shanghai School of Street fighting, which shows the Fairbairn combatives. Very interesting stuff and I intend to get his book on Bartitsu in the near future.
In the comments from the sport crowd I always get a laugh. They mention how nice it would be to try techniques out when the other guy is just standing there not fighting back or really moving. My response to that is Yes. It truly is. My last "fight" was several years ago. The guy, who was much larger than I was actually didn't even stand, much less get a chance to hit me. I guess nobody ever saw an average bar fight. Two guys usually exchange insults or threats and then square off and do the " F you no F you" thing. A push or shove them wild swinging breaks out. Not my strategy at all , but that is most fights in a nutshell. I never was one to talk nor square off. Before the pushing ever starts, if I am threatened I will attack immediately. Think Joe Pesci in the movie Casino. The Scene with the pen. Instead of squaring off and talking crap he ended it before any exchange of blows starts. You could wait when approached to try out your grappling skills and ground game in a dark alley when your approached aggressively and see how good you are. Show them how you can take a punch ( hope a knife wasn't in his hand and that was just a fist) maybe you can tap him out. Congrats. The guy that had just told me he going to f me up and put his hands on his stool to get up May have been a black belt in BJJ or a pro boxer. I didn't wait to see. I grabbed the front of his hair and used it to violently yank his head back and slammed the back of his head into the bar. I was following up with an elbow to his very open and exposed throat as my friends grabbed and and pulled me away. The owner had heard the guy yelling before and grabbed a shotgun and went to call the cops as he knew trouble was near. Anyway. We got out of there. I'm not a great fighter. Id lose most boxing matches. I'm damn good at using explosive violent acts I though That's when you can take eyes or use a chin jab or many other techniques .During the verbal stage and before the physical starts. With any experience you can tell when it's about to go down. Attack then. While they turn their head before they strike or prepare to attack, ie-: shift weight, adjust stance, start to raise their hands, puts phone away or hands switches position. Do it then. While they are standing still or starting to get up. It works. Just my experience. Everybody has to do what works for them.
My goal is to certify people. The system is very comprehensive. I will be doing 10 instructionals for the RAID system. This first one is a real intro in to the system and the others will cover techniques and principals etc... This first one is an hour and 11 minutes but the others may be longer as I have a lot to cover in the system. I will also be doing specialized series on Baton tactics and some more Filipino martial arts stuff. The instructionals are for view via password but not downloadable since im trying to avoid them just being passed around (although this could easily be done with a password as well). There will be a box set but anyone who purchased previous editions before new ones came out will get discounts on the next ones out.
Two take aways: 1) you mentioned the different appreciation of power for people that have combat experience. When I was doing Escrima, we focused a lot on "Rolling", which isn't focused on power at all, just flow. The closest was the emphasis on striking with the tip of the stick. 2) Attacking the 👀 eyes. I don't do that, but I realized with this video, it means that I'm also neglecting eye attack defense, which in turn means I'm not considering it as an actual threat. I think 🤔 eye gouging, because of it's level of violence only manifests itself in the kill or be killed mindset. Personally, I don't want to injure anyone, but maybe I should add eye gouge training just to prepare against it?
The chin jab,was taught to 1000s of police officers.Back in the day and was Considered to be one of the most affected Technique.People do it wrong.They try to use it like a upper cute.When it is supposed to be used as a pushing movement.
On your point on needing both, I agree wholeheartedly. Sorry for not disagreeing nor sending any hate. Next you should do Tim Larkin’s Target Focus Training.
Reminds me of when Christopher Lee told Peter Jackson during Lord of the Rings shooting that when his character gets stabbed in the back he would gasp rather than scream... I would never fuck with people like Christopher Lee or the guy in your vid. They've killed people and are a different type of person cuz of that.
As though Earliest 20th Century Caucasian man who taught these Gutter Fighting at early SAS Elite Forces he have ahead of time Oriental set of Skills unimaginable at that time, as yet documents told by him as yet as some FMA aspects also having main principalities in the high level knife fighting from some FMA club inherited from him👍
Hitting the eyes is EASY! Because you do not aim for the eyes. You basically aim for the palm strike to the chin, and end up with the fingers in the eye. I wonder why YOU (as a trained ring fighter) find that difficult, while I do that nearly every day. Nice video, though.
The problem with combatives systems isn't the simplification. It's that they are designed for organizations that don't continue the mat time after the basic training. Professional boxers have an extremely limited number of techniques, but dat mat time doh...
Look at traditional Cossack fencing. ua-cam.com/video/sZu-NuytXhw/v-deo.html They never stand still and the attacking movement never stops. Speznaz knife fighting is basically the same, only the blades are shorter. Fairbanks knife fighting is up to date. That method that has stood the test of time.
In my opinion, you wouldn't be squaring up with someone and using this stuff on them like you would in an MMA fight. Ideally you would want to catch your opponent off guard with this and put him down as quickly as possible with no chance for him to fight back against you. I would never compare being good at military combatives to be on the same level as a professional MMA fighter. My fat out of shape ass might be able to survive a confrontation with a meth head outside 7-11 (who I would fear more than the current UFC heavyweight champion), but there's no way I'm stepping into the octagon and expect to win with this stuff.
Have you done one on 52 blocks? I know you've colabbed with dan the wolfman before. He's spoken on 52 blocks before so he might be a good guy to talk to for info on it for a video. It's kind of hard to find much about it.
First, not a veteran, just grew up surrounded by them. I'm in the camp of it being supplemental, and I'm a 3rd Gen practitioner of this. It's not perfect and going to a seminar or two will not make you deadly. Then again, neither does the USMC's LINE Training. It remained the official combatives for the US Military until the 1990's and you can still get manuals for it on line, and there's a lot of videos and veterans who can teach it if interested.
They wear masks to stay anonymus, you have these days special forces in ski masks too. There are always people who might eradicate them or imagine like criminals detain them to teach them like the mexican syndicate is doing with engineers etc. Civil people are not supposed to eradicate others or give state forces a hard time
I'm surprised this guy didn't use a "sacrifice arm" as they did in a lot of other knife fighting systems that american and other military would come up with
@inside_fighting Shovel fighting is also a part of WW1 and 2 combatives. Look at the Recon Approach - ua-cam.com/video/xHg_hSAz9Ts/v-deo.html. Maybe interesting for you to cover. Love you channel and work. Keep growing.
Well there is no doubt that he was the real deal however every one will be asking how would he stand up against Bruce Lee, or Muhammad Ali, not to mention the proverbial medieval knight? I would certainly suppose the medieval knight would be every bit as down and dirty a fighter with the advantage that he would do it in armour. If it came to Tyson and Ali vs Mr Fairbairn my money would be on the boxer, however neither of those are the point, he taught a system that worked where and when it needed to and had the experience to back it up and as for me, I would sooner be in the ring against a rules based opponent than mr Fairbairn in a dark alley. I took on a gang of bikers once and it wasn't a fair fight, no prizes for guessing who ended up in emergency department. Do you want to know the crazy thing about it is that this was a pub fight where I had tried to be a good samaritan as I thought it was thoroughly bad form for them to be kicking a guy on the ground, so I rushed at them with a cane demanding that they desist their ungentlemanly behaviour only to be beaten down in a hail of pool cues, well at least they stopped laying into the guy on the floor. Police were called and of course nobody saw anything and anything with a hint of being a weapon had been disappeared behind the bar by the landlord who had his licence to worry about. The most insane thing about it is that one of the bikers apologised to me as things had calmed down and I bled into my my beer with a headwound. He remonstrated that what were they supposed to do when I rushed at them with a cane. They did have a point. I can reflect on it calmly now as it was forty years ago.
I agree it's a myth. Because I have trained a number of them. I think eye jabs/gouges are easy to get, not sure why they would be difficult they happen very naturally, in my experience. Also you see how easily they happen in mma when they are trying NOT to eye jab each other. The only thing I disagree with what Fairbaine said was to allow your knees to roll inwards....that is a good way to injure your knee. If you get extra force or someone's entire body weight going along with that movement, a well timed oblique kick... you can be injured very easily. That's one reason why Shaolin and other traditional eastern styles were very big on the horse stance, because the knees are a major target and if you get damaged there in a lethal fight you will most likely be killed. There was no acl reconstruction 500 years ago or even during ww2, so teachers made students do lots and lots of ma bu, to prevent you from getting injured and to do the biomechanical OPPOSITE of what Fairbaines said.
No hate from me, I recently found your channel and I like it. But I going to give you some mild criticism (constructive, I hope). Do more research. There's a lot of information on Fairbairn available on the web.
He did have a fencing background- boxing too. And Cornish collar and elbow wrestling. In Shanghai he added Judo, Sikh wrestling (there were many Sikhs on the Shanghai Municipal Police) and trained with the Empress Dowager's bodyguards.
The masks in the video are to protect the identities of people at Camp X in Ontario, where he trained Canadians as well as American OSS operatives. He had previously set up the commando and SOE training course at Achnacarry, along with his friend Eric Sykes.
The masks are probably also a little theatrical flair from a man who called himself "Mr Murder-Made-Easy"
In Shanghai he also started and ran the Riot Squad, where he pioneered SWAT tactics that are still in use.
All this info is pretty easy to find.
I hope I'm not coming off like a jerk here; I genuinely like your channel.
He also studied Ba Gua and other Chinese boxing. Tried everything and kept what worked.
The masks have nothing to do with Camp X, the film clips were shot by director John Ford for the OSS in Area B, Maryland, near present day Camp David
My grandfather trained with him so I know the story behind the Lone Ranger masks.
That training film was made at Camp X in Eastern Canada for Allied Agents such as the OSS and commandos.
The trainees all wore masks to protect their identities and many were enrolled in the program under aliases to protect their families
The voice-over on the sports scenes explains that sportsmanship is not appropriate on the battlefield. That the enemy will give no breaks and that it is "kill or be killed".
Well that explains it well
Yes, my grandfather trained with him and mentioned how the analogy of athletics was utilized in the training where you do want the drive and the fitness but not the gentlemanly factor.
It is also notable that Fairbairn was very conservative in his language and never swore.
They called him “The Deacon”
I had the privelage of learning WWII gutterfighting from a decorated WWII veteran when I was in highschool. Before I joined the military.
There's more to the system they were taught than what's published in the civilian books by fairbairn which he published for income when he was suffering financial problems.
There was actually some old school judo takedowns incorporated in with the unarmed strikes, knife attacks, stick attacks and sand bag attacks.
It's not anything you can commercialize because it's a short curriculum that can be taught quickly.
A commercial friendly martial art tends to be much more complicated and has years of training to keep students paying their teacher for years.
So like BJJ instructors boasting how it takes ten years or more to achieve a first level blackbelt , that's a lucrative industry for unarmed fighting.
Hapkido takes many years to achieve a basic first level black belt.
Gutterfighting military combatives isn't conducive for commercialization because it can be taught & learned in a relatively short time for military training.
Unfortunately I've not met anyone else whom learned it from a decorated WWII veteran but rather everyone today teaching it is only teaching what Fairbairn published in books for civilian consumption to help during his financial struggles.
Barry Drennon is perhaps the only civilian publicly teaching it today whose research and presentation is closer to the real thing, but he's unaware of the judo takedowns that were incorporated in WWII military gutterfighting and the low kicks & stomps that were part of the system.
Cistari was a student and early teacher of Combato under professor Bradley Steiner of Seattle Washington.
I have seen vintage video footage of Cistari wearing a gi with a Combato patch on the uniform and photos of Cestari with Brad Steiner in Seattle.
Cestari also visited and learned from former USMC combatives instructor Charley Nelson when Nelson was elderly. The Nelson system was another system taught in WWII to some Marines. While the Biddle system of Anthony Biddle was taught to other USMC units.
Jack Dempsey taught during WWII a system mixing Catch Wrestling, Judo and Boxing to the U.S. Coast Guard.
U.S. Navy were taught a system based upon Catch Wrestling by a wrestler named Wesley Brown that was called combat judo during WWII.
U.S. Army Alamo Scouts and USMC raiders of WWII were taught Japanese Judo.
Some U.S. Army Infantry and Airborne Light Infantry units were taught Gutterfighting. As were some U.S. O.S.S. agents. Fairbairn was on loan to the u.s. army where he taught instructors whom disseminated the material to their units.
But nothing taught in WWII gutterfighting by Fairbairn wasn't already taught to U.S. Army Infantrymen during the previous WWI by U.S. Army captain Allen C. Smith. . .the true grandfather of modern army combatives in the western world, before Fairbairn ever went to Shanghai.
Captain Allen C. Smith was ahead of his time. And was a boxer, Army officer, who became the first american to graduate the kodokan in Japan with a blackbelt in Kano Jiujitsu prior to WWI.
Agree
My grandfather basically said the same
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That guy at 15:40 is pretty good, that's because it's myself 😅, I spent 14 years training with Carl Cestari and was his protégé and successor. Just came across your page, best of luck with it. Clint Sporman
Wow, that’s awesome Clint!
You had an awesome teacher!
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@@Gutterfightingwas hoping youd chime in
Man what you said about eye jabbing is true: I practice a lot of combat sports and martial arts one of them being a Okinawan style of Karate(Goju ryu) and I was taught some Atemi waza technique and really drilled them to muscle memory, a while ago I went to fight a amicable mma sparring match with a good friend of mine and as the mma gloves were different from the boxing gloves I’m used to wearing when hard sparring(boxing and Muay Thai are the other striking styles I practice) i just defaulted to the eye gauge and accidentally eye jabbed my opponent, I apologized and paused the match till he got the eye cleaned and we could resume but muscle memory is absolutely a thing and eye jabbing isn’t hard to do when you know what you’re doing and have drilled it at the end of every training day together with the other drills…
Also yeah military combative systems are very straightforwards and easy to pick up and learn fast which is definitely one of their stronger points.
Knowing what you're training for and devising methods to overlearn the necessary principle tactics is very important. I heard a story once about a marine in the South Pacific who came face to face with a Japanese infantryman. He was thrown very quickly and found himself in the grip of a "naked strangle" and he reflexively tapped. To his surprise, the Japanese soldier let go of him, he spun around and killed him with his knife. He said that the Japanese was by far his superior in budo, but his training cost him his life.
Dude was scary and is the real deal! Great tribute video to him!
Was this a treat? Yes, yes it was. Thank you. Great stuff.
Great inclusion of the kung fu San Soo marine doing the eye gouge.
“Chin jabs” and eye gouges are under appreciated especially for those critiquing arts that do use them for the simple reason that they are used in martial arts that aren’t about sparring and thus a loss of translation and transferability.
Agreed. It certainly makes a difference in a life or death situation to have them in your wheelhouse
That wasn't a Marine. It was a former U.S. Army S.F. group member fighting another Soldier in Latin America who challenged him online.
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Thanks for the correction. Either way effective.
I've always said the lack of small joint manipulation in BJJ and most other grappling arts is the absolutely biggest glaring weakness these arts have. I have escaped God knows how many submissions by finding a finger or thumb, bending and twisting. It really can, if done well, put the complete brakes on a lot of grappling/submission techniques. Really love your videos, even if i feel like kenpo didnt quite get a fair shake 😂😂
Small Circle Jiu Jitsu is famous for their finger techniques. Chinese Chin Na too has techniques using and targeting fingers,depending on style.
Great. There are a number of other ww2 combatives including combat judo and a program by Jack Dempsey. It is amazing how great a lot of good ww2 systems were including FMA taught to US troops and Italian knife fighting. Thanks for posting
I am very happy that you covered Gutterfighting. I practice JKD and HEMA and stumbled on this awhile back. It's cool.
The name alone makes it worth discussing
The actor Christopher Lee, would have been taught a lot of this during his time in the SOE behind enemy lines through WW2, that knife he uses in the demos is regarded as one of the most effective CQC weapons even to this day.
There were a lot of different military combatives developed during the war, some based on wrestling or boxing, and often including some judo or old style ju jitsu (not BJJ). You might look into Dermot O'Neill, another veteran of the SMP; he's the man who trained the Devil's Brigade. But the most important point - which I think you nailed - these weren't sport systems. Shanghai was possibly the most dangerous city in the world before WWII and Fairbairn was in the thick of it, and during the war he was training soldiers and secret agents. As you said, they didn't have time to become masters and didn't need to be, they needed to survive.
O'Neil based his system on what he called Chinese foot fighting
If you noticed most of his knife strikes and empty hand strikes comes from his hips and underneath the attackers line of sight they wont even see it comming.
This used to be classified back in the day. It's the same as a pixilated face on SF guys nowadays.
Programs like this give you the biggest return on resources. The correct mindset. Simple techniques which are effective at disabling under a wide range of conditions in situations the trainee is likely to encounter. Familiar, standard weapons. And the whole thing leverages what the student brings to the party already - aggression, strength, and good conditioning.
Spending fifteen years of repetition, sparring, multiple prize fights, changing up your game to optimize your personal performance, and being a professional gladiator with exceptional physicality who does nothing else will obviously get you further. But you start hitting diminishing returns on your time and money, especially when every hour you spend on hitting and wrestling takes away from your primary tasks. This is how to give a soldier the greatest increase in his chances of survival for a limited investment of time and money.
I worked with the BRA (british resistance archive) it's the historical society which part of its role is preserving this, the factor people forget with defendu is the whole point of it is to train soldiers how to kill on a short training time. I mean ive done over 10 years of krav maga and kapap however, the commandos defendu was being taught to might only have 12 weeks.
Yes i mention that in the video :)
Defendu was the system taught to Shanghai police officers.
Gutter fighting was the system taught to military.
You should really look up this man's connection to Baguazhang. One of the baddest men he ever met was a student of Yinfu according to him. The Baguazhang of the past was more brutal than the dance seen today.
I have seen a video on Kuro Obi world about Song Li demonstrating Bagua,that lady is vicious,as the art is.
Fairbairn drew a lot on southern kung fu (that's where the chin jab/tiger claw came from) and a lot from judo. There's a lot of judo-derived stuff on throwing from the clinch followed by finishing on the ground.
They're wearing masks in the training video because the guys in the training videos are actual British Special Ops Executive (the British equivalent of the American OSS) and they're protecting their identities.
Krav Maga is a bastard child (I use the term illustratively, not as a pejorative) of the Fairbairn-Sykes method. Krav Maga traces to the system of fighting taught in the Israeli Palmach, which was the special forces component of the Haganah (the Jewish militia in Palestine that became the IDF when Israel was created). The Palmach (founded in May 1941) was originally trained by the British to fight the Axis in North Africa and the Middle East.
Years ago I attended a week long Police Academy training block. One of those days was spent on 'defensive tactics'. I made the mistake of telling the instructor that I had a martial arts background and sort volunteered to be his demonstration dummy. He was versed in Gutter Fighting and I recall an extremely painful day of small joint locks, hair pulling, testicle, eye, and throat strikes (BET). When combined with someone who is accustomed to resistance and timing from combat sports the result should be someone very able to handle themselves.
Sounds like you had a good time being the Uke :)
Black Entertainment Television throat strikes? Damn!
@giqwaju3691 I thought the same thing at first. A friend of mine who is into bagua and tai chi uses the term 'BET' as an acronym for balls, eyes, and throat.
This comes back to Urban Combatives style which is solid for pre emptive striking if you mess up the first strike now its a mma street fight, i think Dutch Muay Thai is the best Striking and a Kudo Black Belt level skills. Now i haven't tried the full face helmet but i thinks its Amazing because you can practice full contact what actually works with out getting long term head trauma damage. needs more padding on back and need to go no gi, no time limit @inside_fighting
@@elindioedwards7041 Thanks, I didn't know what that stood for. I assumed it was a self-defence system that's out there.
What really impressed me was his body mechanics, footwork and balance. Fairbairn had to have been at least in his late 40’s/early 50’s here, but he is still clearly dangerous (and I think we all hope for that. What good is a man who is no longer dangerous?). Also, I love my smatchet and I own my gratitude to Bill for that as well…
I hope to be dangerous till I’m dead. I’m in my forties now and don’t feel much different than 20
Great video! You had my attention as soon as I heard 'Gutter fighting'. I've read about William A. Fairbairn before and he sounds like a hell of a man. Thanks for this.
Please review "How To Fight Tough" by Jack Dempsey
Jack Dempsey, the champion Boxer, developed a Combatives Program during WW2.
That guy was a tough SOB
The man at 12:01 teaches Gutterfighting at H2H protocol. You can see more of his videos on UA-cam. What is specified is not technique but opportunity. Each successful move opens the opponent to an even deadlier move.
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Very good video. There's training in martial arts, and there's this real violence . People can do both in their systems but even when they do it fails as it relies on one party to comply with no resistance. It does what it says on the tin so long as you learn to die constantly by failing in the training so that you can stop, discuss, and learn to change.
Sorry, no hate to leave here. It was a good break down of the system without making a really deep dive. My Dad was a soldier in the U.S. Army 1st Infantry Division from Feb’41 until Oct’45 , so this was actually my first exposure to martial arts as a kid. And it’s still a great intro for someone who wants to learn to defend themselves without committing to a long term of training. You can literally learn all the basics in a few hours and then refine them on your own over time. But it does have limitations, like everything else. Good job.
Much appreciated. Your dad sounds like he was quite the bad ass warrior
Dad was pretty special to me, but to hear him and all his veteran friends talk they were just average guys doing a job. If you asked him about the war he was more likely to tell you about seeing a camel train in Morocco or meeting British soldiers in the hospital with accents so thick it took him a few days to get to where he understood them.@@inside_fighting
He knew what he was doing . Go into any school and ask to learn their kill moves ?, that includes most grappling and combat styles . Any move you can do simply and effectively to kill someone immediately , thst should get them thinking even some world champions I know - people train to fight not kill . Firstly under stress like war combat , gross motor skills will take over . Anything complicated will cost you your life . Secondly , you were likely facing an opponent who had gone through basic training not five years in the dojo . The chin jab was used because of helmets , kicks are stomps and boots . Nothing will beat a Sabre grip where the knife is a shield as well as a weapon , it’s easier to learn and master and be competent under extreme stress . . Anyone wanting to know what a knife can do watch a cold steel video where a sharp combat knife will take body parts in a slash and three inches to death with a stab .
Paul Vunak has an awesome video on it. The chin jab makes more sense with a helmet on.
@@inside_fighting speaking of the internal arts Most people laugh but it’s in all styles in you know where to find it - take care and live your videos , Thankyou. ua-cam.com/video/vEL943vD478/v-deo.htmlsi=MedmyDfEmWbIXS0h
Paul Vunak , Richard Dimitri and the infamous Chris clugston who has some great stuff on UA-cam . In the old days they were all distributed by panther productions and you had to buy the mags from paladin press ( there’s a magazine worth a video ) . Even had Australia’s erle Montaigne with the internal arts . I know his son and some of his students and the amount of information they have is extraordinary. The founded the website Taiji world - a huge body of work . Take care
A simple rear naked choke can kill someone. Any BJJ and Catch Wrestling can kill someone. A hard slam from a Judo throw can seriously injur anyone;
There was a recent case of a former Marine killing a homeless man on a train because he held a rear naked choke for too long and he did it with intent.
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Judo hadaka jime and shime waza can kill.
The throws of Judo are meant to be followed up with Judo limb breaking submissions to cripple or judo chokes & strangles to kill.
There's also Judo spinal dislocations in old school judo not practiced in most IJF clubs.
Love that you showed the video of that kung fu guy eye jabbing that dude 😄
His knife is very specific, like a switchblade stiletto, by that I mean a thin narrow sharp blade. Many of his moves are to put the blade point on touch then shift his weight forward and let the blade do the work with the arm held in posture. Frighteningly subtle technique. He uses a lot of sniping only closing to give point.it seems to be a series of knife fighting principles to be learned quickly.
Great video!! As someone who studies this style of close combat I can say it works!! The main thing to remember is that while it has defensive elelments to the system, the main focus is on the offensive, especially when you have to remember action is always faster than reaction. If you act first the oppent is going to have to your see your attack and then go thru the mental process to defend against it and puts them at a disadvantage. One of the hardest things for me was coming from a traditional martial arts background, was the idea of no starting stance persay. Your normal everyday standing is your stance!! There is a reason for this 1. You will not have time to take a so called stance in a reallife situation. 2. If you take a stance then you are giving up your element of surprise there by alerting your opponent and potential onlookers that you are a trained fighter, which can cause the opponent to alter or make there attack more dangerous. With that being said there is a balanced ready "stance" that can be adopted if time is available, very similar to a boxers stance in practice. Hands up and open showing nonviolent intent. This is explained in Col. Rex Applegates book Kill or be Killed. Applegate was the American student who studied under Fairbairn and who helped him train OSS and later Military Intelligence operatives in the war. He is also the one being demonstrated on, in the Zoro mask sequence in the clip you showed, by Fairbairn.
The reason this system works is because it is based on Gross Motor Movements, which understress is about all most can accomplish. The mental aspects of Fight, Flight or Freeze apply here. Also because the movements are easily remembered in real life. Once you learn the system you begin to see things that are taught in more traditional martial arts that at first glance are overlooked in such a simple system. I have found many things in my studies of it, that upon reflection are like thats why that was taught that way in say Ju-jitsu for example. Sorry for the long post but it is something that I am passionate about. Thanks again for the Great video!!
Nice. Cant wait to see this! Thanks, Ilan. 🥋
Hope you like it!
Charles Wingate was his companion in this time who became important for later KAPAP what later become KM The Winate institute was named after him . Reguards and all the best for u and your channel .
Honestly the books like Get Tough and Defendu are worth reading. It can be a good supplemental or secondary system to explore.
plus he had a nice blade named after him...
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this is like the real Krav Maga, and not the modern civilian BS krav maga. the real goal is to teach aggressiveness, moving forward, engaging in combat and overcome fear of freeze asap.
Exactly what I thought
Krav Maga has its roots in this. During the war, Commandoes who had been trained by Fairbairn and Sykes set up a similar course in what was then commonly referred to as Palestine (I'm not trying to wade into THAT). Some future Israeli's went through that course.
If I’m recalling correctly, the entire course was 6-ish weeks, and the combatives was just small portion of that. We’re talking a very short period of time. Not sure that that was made clear. Otherwise, excellent video and great points made.
My favorite line in his book Get Tough was “If you have a gun, shoot him.”
You have wonderful insight, Eli. You are right, this system was not meant to "win a UFC championship." It was meant to teach soldiers to fight for their lives in two months or less and send them out with a rifle and gear.
Thank you 🙏🏼 glad you liked the video
All your videos are beautiful and fun. Your channel is considered number one in publishing beautiful videos, especially about the world of martial arts, styles. Your channel is very inspiring.
Reminds me of Okinawan Karate eye gouges weapons scary stuff
Very nice, I especially appreciate the observation that military combatives aren’t a lifetime pursuit, but something to be learned and ingested in a few weeks. MCMAP might be more of a middle ground between combatives like this and “full” martial arts, worth looking into!
I’ll check it out!!!
Honestly MCMAP is kinda garbage compared to other combative systems
So is MAC-P. . .which is exponentially better than MCMAP due to the higher focus upon grappling and weapons. . .where MCMAP has a higher focus upon Muay Thai.
Before I get off here, this is a very interesting and informative channel. Keep it up. There's a lot of information out there and it can inform us in important ways. Thank you.
Great channel. I love it. Thank you brother.
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knives are used in war because they have too, in the street they are showing fear of the person holding the knife
Best thing about fairbanks vids and system is that stable lunge front stab but the best blade to do this would be a ......😊
Great insight into the differences between learning to fight and learning to kill.
Love your videos, some of my favorite on all of YT.
Thank you.
Thanks man! Appreciate the positive feedback
They aren't really different except mentally and degree of polarity.
As always, good stuff!
Good analysis BTW the sports videos were to illustrate two things ...skiing ....keep the knees soft and flexible...Basketball ...keep weight on the balls of the feet. His posture holding the Thompson is very similar to the Peng bou stance in Taichi. Interesting paradox sports can teach martial artists effective biomechanics but the sparring aspect of sports is detrimental to the "Kill or be killed" aspect of fighting for your life. Another influence of his teaching SOE agents was the lack of guard stances; the combative view is that taking a stance as typical in sparring is just warning your opponent and essentially saying "it's your turn" Combative technics are designed to explode out of a neutral non aggressive posture without warning of intention. The intention being to kill or disable the opponent asap to allow escape not get into 3 x 5 minute rounds of give and take mindset. The focus on palm heel and edge of hand strikes was that these weapons require very little conditioning and are relatively hard to damage. The ability to not give away information that you have skills or training before a fight is like hiding the knife....don't show it before you use it. I was on a plane as this big buff guy wearing a T-shirt with "Krav Maga instructor" on the front walked down the aisle...I was thinking "thanks mate! I now know that if for any reason I need to fight you then in need to take you out of the game before you know there is even a game because you're trained and probably better than me in a fair fight"
Also check out Aikido master Gozo Shioda's autobiography he was in Shanghai around the same time os Fairbairn and gives accounts of a number of street fights he was in....his account reads much more like combatives than what people think of as Aikido. Respect to all!
Just acquired your lesson. Looking forward to sitting down to watch it.
I think that icepick grip in lead hand has applications if you add boxing to it. You basically put a knife on the end of your jab
you know a lot of this system was actually based on baguazhang
Those internal Chinese Boxing systems are very nasty when employed by someone who understands the combat aspects. It's not easy to find but they seem like very effective systems for street when done properly.
Yep, I thought that he had taken a fair amount of influence from Chinese martial arts as well.
I could be wrong, but I'm sure I read somewhere that he employed a lot of centre line theory as well.
@@richalan8530he was the combative instructor for the Hong Kong police and he spent many years in China before the Japanese overran it
"Eye jabs are almost impossible to pull off."
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The sports videos im the background were obviously showing how to be loose in the knees to allow for motion, like a skiier
Wow you got a good old school video footage..
So….the “chin jab”, the way it was explained to me if done properly with enough force is a kill shot. They say it’s supposed to separate the base of the skull from the spine. Supposedly there was a Mafia Hitman that used this technique with a pretty high success rate. Anyway that’s why WW2 Combatives guys like it so much.
Another interesting video!
6:26. That is a 1940-60s "mobster" accent, generally derive from new yorkers who had the transatlantic accent and italian accenting too.
I’m bringing it back in to style
Bring it back, yeah see! 😁
There is a joe rogan episode where he talks about books on mobsters like the five families and stuff, and how someday a mobster was in his gym and wanted him to teach how to kill people.
Canadian special forces trainers use an morden day version of this system. Thank you for your program.
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@@jamesnevitt3400Bill Wolfe is an hapkido instructor and Defendu was a system taught to police in Shanghai for arresting & controlling prisoners while Gutter fighting was taught to military for combat.
The Fairbairn system is actually Choy Li Fut
The most practical knife combat art is the Redfeather Apache knife method.
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Can you do a video on knife defense because inhave researched some good content to block blades correctly but some like your self who has studied blade arts might have more up to date knowledge on what actually works and obviously need to drill that to get good. The other thing be cool is a video on elite units hand 2 hand Combatives program because ive heard mixed things Hubud Lubud, The Rat System, US marine corp got an ok system, think if you interviewed someone from delta/cag or sad, etc it be a great interview the Ronnin Guy his solid likes Hubid Lubud and good with a blade 👍
There is a negative undertone, even though it is subtle.
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Respectfully, Fairbairn is shimmering the knife just as the commercialized African style that uses a similar movement.
Fairbairn is shimmering the blade to trick the eye and make it much harder to see and defend against his attack.
Hello, I saw your video on keysi, would you do one on defence lab, which came from keysi, also what martial arts do you think would work best with this gutter fighting, karate?Wing chun? Keysi?
On the topic of mixing combat sports with military hand-to-hand combat training. I have heard one of the issues with Krav Maga is the original training was so such a limited about of stuff to learn people have went on to add various stuff to their training and thus it's variations from each other, and watering down of techniques.
Also on Krav Maga and seeing how defendu / Fairbairn system defends knives, I see why Krav Maga does the same thing. It's called the 360 defence and it doesn't actually work for defending strikes.
Do a segment on Carl Cestari.
I mention him in the video but don’t go in depth. Maybe he’ll get his own video eventually
YES (please)
Carl definitely deserves his own video.
It makes me wonder,how would someone create a system to train combatives concepts at full speed?
I mean a system that would train what is commonly illegal in most combat sports:
Targeting(throat,crotch,nape, eyes,mouth,hair...)
Gouging and tearing
Biting
Small joint manipulation
Small and improvised weapons
You should check out Dom Raso's ARMR-UP combatives. He's a former DEVGRU guy. I believe he trained with Kelly McCann and Lee Morrison, among others. He has some of the best no-nonsense combatives vids out there. He's also into Filipino knife work.
I know a guy named Worden that was trained by Grandmaster Remas and he used to teach 1st SF Group knife fighting
I can recommend everyone to check out Tommy Joe Moore he has a great instructional dvd on UA-cam called fight like your grandad
I have his book on the Shanghai School of Street fighting, which shows the Fairbairn combatives. Very interesting stuff and I intend to get his book on Bartitsu in the near future.
Gross motor movements!!!!
ChinJabMania running wild!!!!!
In the comments from the sport crowd I always get a laugh. They mention how nice it would be to try techniques out when the other guy is just standing there not fighting back or really moving. My response to that is Yes. It truly is. My last "fight" was several years ago. The guy, who was much larger than I was actually didn't even stand, much less get a chance to hit me. I guess nobody ever saw an average bar fight. Two guys usually exchange insults or threats and then square off and do the " F you no F you" thing. A push or shove them wild swinging breaks out. Not my strategy at all , but that is most fights in a nutshell. I never was one to talk nor square off. Before the pushing ever starts, if I am threatened I will attack immediately. Think Joe Pesci in the movie Casino. The Scene with the pen. Instead of squaring off and talking crap he ended it before any exchange of blows starts. You could wait when approached to try out your grappling skills and ground game in a dark alley when your approached aggressively and see how good you are. Show them how you can take a punch ( hope a knife wasn't in his hand and that was just a fist) maybe you can tap him out. Congrats. The guy that had just told me he going to f me up and put his hands on his stool to get up May have been a black belt in BJJ or a pro boxer. I didn't wait to see. I grabbed the front of his hair and used it to violently yank his head back and slammed the back of his head into the bar. I was following up with an elbow to his very open and exposed throat as my friends grabbed and and pulled me away. The owner had heard the guy yelling before and grabbed a shotgun and went to call the cops as he knew trouble was near. Anyway. We got out of there. I'm not a great fighter. Id lose most boxing matches. I'm damn good at using explosive violent acts I though
That's when you can take eyes or use a chin jab or many other techniques
.During the verbal stage and before the physical starts. With any experience you can tell when it's about to go down. Attack then. While they turn their head before they strike or prepare to attack, ie-: shift weight, adjust stance, start to raise their hands, puts phone away or hands switches position. Do it then. While they are standing still or starting to get up. It works.
Just my experience. Everybody has to do what works for them.
How many levels of instructional are you gonna have? Will there be a box set? Are they available for view only on your site or is it downloaded?
My goal is to certify people. The system is very comprehensive. I will be doing 10 instructionals for the RAID system. This first one is a real intro in to the system and the others will cover techniques and principals etc... This first one is an hour and 11 minutes but the others may be longer as I have a lot to cover in the system. I will also be doing specialized series on Baton tactics and some more Filipino martial arts stuff.
The instructionals are for view via password but not downloadable since im trying to avoid them just being passed around (although this could easily be done with a password as well).
There will be a box set but anyone who purchased previous editions before new ones came out will get discounts on the next ones out.
@@inside_fighting Thanks!
Two take aways: 1) you mentioned the different appreciation of power for people that have combat experience. When I was doing Escrima, we focused a lot on "Rolling", which isn't focused on power at all, just flow. The closest was the emphasis on striking with the tip of the stick. 2) Attacking the 👀 eyes. I don't do that, but I realized with this video, it means that I'm also neglecting eye attack defense, which in turn means I'm not considering it as an actual threat. I think 🤔 eye gouging, because of it's level of violence only manifests itself in the kill or be killed mindset. Personally, I don't want to injure anyone, but maybe I should add eye gouge training just to prepare against it?
it's good to train it by putting on protective eyewear and seeing how much it actually plays a part.
Sir, please make a video on Kalaripayattu. 🙏
I was just talking about it with my dad!
😯 wow! U can talk about martial arts with your dad. I can't. My dad doesn't like martial arts🙁@@inside_fighting
The chin jab,was taught to 1000s of police officers.Back in the day and was Considered to be one of the most affected Technique.People do it wrong.They try to use it like a upper cute.When it is supposed to be used as a pushing movement.
Yes i noticed they drive out hard with it
On your point on needing both, I agree wholeheartedly. Sorry for not disagreeing nor sending any hate. Next you should do Tim Larkin’s Target Focus Training.
:) I accept your desire to not give hate on this video :) I will check out the Target Focused training. It sounds interesting.
Tim Larkin , just like the TFT, is a con.
I have his book fighting with fairbairn-Sykes great read a lot of information
Where can I find video carl cestari
Reminds me of when Christopher Lee told Peter Jackson during Lord of the Rings shooting that when his character gets stabbed in the back he would gasp rather than scream...
I would never fuck with people like Christopher Lee or the guy in your vid. They've killed people and are a different type of person cuz of that.
Check out the WWII movie The Devil's Brigade
I will 🙏🏼
As though Earliest 20th Century Caucasian man who taught these Gutter Fighting at early SAS Elite Forces he have ahead of time Oriental set of Skills unimaginable at that time,
as yet documents told by him as yet as some FMA aspects also having main principalities in the high level knife fighting from some FMA club inherited from him👍
Hitting the eyes is EASY! Because you do not aim for the eyes. You basically aim for the palm strike to the chin, and end up with the fingers in the eye.
I wonder why YOU (as a trained ring fighter) find that difficult, while I do that nearly every day.
Nice video, though.
The problem with combatives systems isn't the simplification. It's that they are designed for organizations that don't continue the mat time after the basic training. Professional boxers have an extremely limited number of techniques, but dat mat time doh...
Ww1 trench hand to hand?
Look at traditional Cossack fencing. ua-cam.com/video/sZu-NuytXhw/v-deo.html They never stand still and the attacking movement never stops. Speznaz knife fighting is basically the same, only the blades are shorter. Fairbanks knife fighting is up to date. That method that has stood the test of time.
His knife fighting would not fly in south east asia. I know its a stupid remark but stretching out your knife arm like this
In my opinion, you wouldn't be squaring up with someone and using this stuff on them like you would in an MMA fight. Ideally you would want to catch your opponent off guard with this and put him down as quickly as possible with no chance for him to fight back against you. I would never compare being good at military combatives to be on the same level as a professional MMA fighter. My fat out of shape ass might be able to survive a confrontation with a meth head outside 7-11 (who I would fear more than the current UFC heavyweight champion), but there's no way I'm stepping into the octagon and expect to win with this stuff.
Love Carl Cestari & Damien Ross. Have you seen RAT fight by Paul Vunak?
Yes Paul vunak is my favorite cqc guy
Have you done one on 52 blocks? I know you've colabbed with dan the wolfman before. He's spoken on 52 blocks before so he might be a good guy to talk to for info on it for a video. It's kind of hard to find much about it.
First, not a veteran, just grew up surrounded by them. I'm in the camp of it being supplemental, and I'm a 3rd Gen practitioner of this. It's not perfect and going to a seminar or two will not make you deadly. Then again, neither does the USMC's LINE Training. It remained the official combatives for the US Military until the 1990's and you can still get manuals for it on line, and there's a lot of videos and veterans who can teach it if interested.
Sport again! Not the same as real world
I sent you two comments one has been erased from your comment section I wonder why that happened I think you should look into it
I see lots of comments. If it gets erased feel free to email me and I’ll see it. UA-cam is weird. They sometimes just randomly take down comments.
They wear masks to stay anonymus, you have these days special forces in ski masks too. There are always people who might eradicate them or imagine like criminals detain them to teach them like the mexican syndicate is doing with engineers etc. Civil people are not supposed to eradicate others or give state forces a hard time
I'm surprised this guy didn't use a "sacrifice arm" as they did in a lot of other knife fighting systems that american and other military would come up with
Look up ww1 fighting style
@inside_fighting Shovel fighting is also a part of WW1 and 2 combatives. Look at the Recon Approach - ua-cam.com/video/xHg_hSAz9Ts/v-deo.html. Maybe interesting for you to cover. Love you channel and work. Keep growing.
Well there is no doubt that he was the real deal however every one will be asking how would he stand up against Bruce Lee, or Muhammad Ali, not to mention the proverbial medieval knight? I would certainly suppose the medieval knight would be every bit as down and dirty a fighter with the advantage that he would do it in armour. If it came to Tyson and Ali vs Mr Fairbairn my money would be on the boxer, however neither of those are the point, he taught a system that worked where and when it needed to and had the experience to back it up and as for me, I would sooner be in the ring against a rules based opponent than mr Fairbairn in a dark alley. I took on a gang of bikers once and it wasn't a fair fight, no prizes for guessing who ended up in emergency department. Do you want to know the crazy thing about it is that this was a pub fight where I had tried to be a good samaritan as I thought it was thoroughly bad form for them to be kicking a guy on the ground, so I rushed at them with a cane demanding that they desist their ungentlemanly behaviour only to be beaten down in a hail of pool cues, well at least they stopped laying into the guy on the floor. Police were called and of course nobody saw anything and anything with a hint of being a weapon had been disappeared behind the bar by the landlord who had his licence to worry about. The most insane thing about it is that one of the bikers apologised to me as things had calmed down and I bled into my my beer with a headwound. He remonstrated that what were they supposed to do when I rushed at them with a cane. They did have a point. I can reflect on it calmly now as it was forty years ago.
You gotta think about it too most German soldiers were usually hopped up on drugs meth. If it worked against them it's very effective.
I disagree people in MMA are not trained to kill with bare hands Marines are
Any submission that is continued is a break or death
I agree it's a myth. Because I have trained a number of them. I think eye jabs/gouges are easy to get, not sure why they would be difficult they happen very naturally, in my experience. Also you see how easily they happen in mma when they are trying NOT to eye jab each other. The only thing I disagree with what Fairbaine said was to allow your knees to roll inwards....that is a good way to injure your knee. If you get extra force or someone's entire body weight going along with that movement, a well timed oblique kick... you can be injured very easily. That's one reason why Shaolin and other traditional eastern styles were very big on the horse stance, because the knees are a major target and if you get damaged there in a lethal fight you will most likely be killed. There was no acl reconstruction 500 years ago or even during ww2, so teachers made students do lots and lots of ma bu, to prevent you from getting injured and to do the biomechanical OPPOSITE of what Fairbaines said.