@@UnjustVerdict Completely different scenario in an uncontrolled environment. The risk vs reward changes significantly. Your comment is exactly what I am referring to a lot of people can't visualize how those scenarios are different, but they often completely change how people do and should fight (which are not the same thing either). That is before you even start to consider liability as a result of a fight. Being able to fight in a ring will allow you to defend yourself significantly better than not (assuming you haven't developed to much of a false sense of security), but fighting like it is done in the ring, with those skills and mindset are more likely to get you killed than knowing actual self defense because you are vulnerable to a great deal of things you are not vulnerable to in an organized "fair" fight. You do not posses the same protections and information and the opponents are not subject to the same level of accountability. There is a great deal of things that changes out in the real world that people fail to understand.
@@UnjustVerdict That varies based on training and ability to apply learnt skills of the individual, but also that brutality changes significantly when the 2 people aren't squaring off on each other. Fighting someone who is trying to get away from you rather than engage with you changes that clash of physical force. Such fights also teach reliance on things such as hand protections and techniques based on gaming rules, so there are notably bad things about it as well. Also the physicals resistance training is starting to backslide as fighters have given it up for more skill drilling and softer play style fighting. Turns out going full speed destroys your body. Almost as if thousands of years of martial arts experience over almost all the many different styles actually had a reason for how they did things.
@@UnjustVerdict Yes and no. You are not wrong you just aren't correct and you can't understand why you aren't correct...which is the entire point I was making.
@@UnjustVerdict First when I talk about self defense I am not necessarily talking about or even was considering "self-defense" training (although they could also be done well) but martial arts that focus on disengagement rather than pounding your opponent into oblivion. Second as stated before that depends on training, and the individual, but there is certainly some truth in that. The idea that you have to beat each other up to learn to defend your self is highly over stated though particularly when you are talking about mythods that aren't designed to beat people up. You are comparing apples and oranges and as stated previously are not able to visualize an altercation that is about survival rather than winning.
@@UnjustVerdict Yes that would be the point of the statement "the difference between wining a fight and surviving being attacked" Learning to fight in a ring teaches you to engage and rely on things not outside a ring, but in an uncontrolled environment your focus should be on avoiding/leaving/protecting against an altercation all together. When the skills you have are how to engage someone trained to engage with you that is insufficient training for people defending themselves through non-engagement. That reliance on training focused on engagement can be quite helpful 90% of the time, but in those 10% of the cases that engagement can be fatal; is it worth the risk/reward? Sure, you might be victorious in beating people up many times, but you can only die once.
Thanks for your honest assessment of different disciplines. I'm the "regular guy" trying to learn self defense. I started BJJ six months ago at 53. It's fun and athletic and teaches me to handle pressure and force, but I recognize that a lot of what we do on the mats would get me killed if I did in a self defense situation. What I really need is exactly what you describe - training to know what to do when someone jumps me on the street (or my wife). I love the rhino frame you talk about and I've started incorporating that into my own at home training,. It is very hard to find places that teach this type of pure, practical self defense. The Urban Combatives stuff that I've seen on YT seems similar to this (and it would be awesome to see your take on that). Unfortunately, nothing like this (so far) near my home town in the US midwest. Keep up the great content!
You might try to find a gym that teaches some of the more practical and streamlined FMA styles. Like Pekiti Tirsia Kali. In my books it complements BJJ quite well and also integrates use and defense against bladed and blunt weapons.
@@inside_fighting Inside Fighting did a video on Urban Combatives the title is 'Do Combat Sports suck for Self Defense??? - A Black belt analysis of Urban Combatives.' ua-cam.com/video/72f_UgT_Icw/v-deo.htmlsi=06KYgBA0reUPCJxr I watched it a while ago, all I remember was him saying that he does a lot of the stuff that he does. And, he generally gave it a good review but he did pick up on some of the mistakes they did in a scenario-based drill. In my regards to Urban Combatives, it's all great info but they have a tendency of training and throwing punches with tensed muscles stopping and pulling back at the punch rather than having follow through and flowing with the strike like even combat sports guys would do. Hope you enjoy the video. And respect in picking up a physically demanding style like BJJ at age 53.
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Excellent evaluation. I agree 100%. I’ll tell you, it’s a breath of fresh air to hear a BJJ/Muay Thai/MMA guy be real about street situations. Having trained several different Martial Arts for over 30 years, I can tell you that it’s not all fun and games when you’re in a real confrontation. I’ve gone against multiple psychos, been hit in the head with bottles, tree branches, seen friends stabbed, had a gun pulled on me, and have had an ear bitten off. How many times do you see those happen in a Dojo? ZERO. Nobody wants to train for those things because we are all typically good people and we don’t think like violent criminals. People would rather fight on mats, within a set of rules with a referee to stop things if they get unsafe and feel good about themselves like they are “invincible because they’re a BJJ purple belt.” People truly need to train on pavement, concrete, between cars, street signs, etc. Make your training real. Have an open mind. I tend to like the cover position of Keysi to enter or do damage to your opponent because not only does it protect you but anyone dumb enough to try and hit you with a fist will find out how a broken hand feels, and then you can initiate your own attack, whichever style you prefer. I wish there were more people that trained that method here in the states. Alan Baker is one that’s in your vid but he’s so far away from me. Anyway, appreciate your objective view of the system and the video!
Brutha, I have been saying this for years. My question always is, why are all fight situations validated by MMA? When did MMA become the standard, when it is in a controlled environment? Self defense is totally different and every situation is different. A self defense technique that is trained repeatedly over years and pressure tested has just as much validity as anything you see in a MMA match.
Fully agree. It’s a very odd standard that now exists… two professional martial artists competing against each other is not representational of reality based combat
Hi there...hmmm... I personally hate it if I read the statement...does it work in MMA. Self defense and MMA is different and so it should not be the standart but there is one valid point I cannot deny (although I only train for self defense). MMA is a complete system with a lot of practice in competition and sparring...more than in most gyms I know🤷♂. It does not mean you have to train MMA for selfdefense (you get anyway more hurt in MMA training than you will ever experiece self defense situations )or its better at all than self defense techniques.
I think the problem often is that self defense systems are usually not pressure tested enough to make them work. It’s much easier for a trained fighter to learn some self defense techniques and make them work, than for the average self defense guy to make their own martial art work. It’s not that self defense in itself is a problem, it’s how the gyms sell it as if it’s some sort of miracle cure against being a victim, yet not delivering what they promise. I do however think that many self defense gyms are starting to see the problem and doing something about it.
Because rational belief in an idea is based on the quality of evidence to support it. There are 30 years of MMA fights and you can look at all of that evidence on video. Now I’m sure Sensei John and his F.A.R.T. technique are WAY better than MMA, but what evidence can the average person point to, other than just taking our word for it? Can they look at 30 years worth of evidence? All the embarrassing defeats, and the validation of strange techniques that consistently work well even though you’d never guess it? See, the controlled environment that you decry is actually a consistent standard by which to judge the merit of ideas. MMA isn’t a perfect test, but it is a standardized test with a huge amount of results. No one knows what your tests are like and they can’t even see them. Who wins and who loses? Why? We have no idea and no way to tell other than your word. So your ideas could be FAR better than MMA. Really. But the average person has no REASON based in available EVIDENCE to believe that.
I'm a Muay Thai instructor, but incorporate self defense training from time to time for the students that want it. We use MT as the base, but incorporate a lot of Keysi/52 Blocks style movement during the transition. I think Keysi is a very good approach and theory to martial arts, but requires you to have a core base like boxing, Muay Thai, or wrestling.
I'm really glad to see this. Thank you. I see a lot of "influencers" really REALLY hard core shitting on this style, without A) understanding ANY of the nuances that you mentioned here and B) realizing that not everyone is going to be an "MMA bro" who spends vast amounts of time in gyms, training to SPORT fight (which as you pointed out several times can be COMPLETELY different than street encounters). And in BJJ you cannot go down to the ground on concrete or gravel etc. No discipline is all things in all situations, and these other channels pick the goofiest aspects of Keysi and laugh and point, actually doing a disservice to people who not MIGHT, but WILL get SOME value out of it. It's not all things in all situations, but neither is ANY sport. It's almost like there's nuance to things and life, and I'm glad there's a channel smart enough to understand and present that.
People love trends nowadays and what’s popular. I think we should just train what we love and not worry about anyone else. Combat sports, as much as j love them and will always train them, are ego driven.
Trained with Andy and Justo in the early 2000’s and is based and kali and silat and jkd but adapted. I watch it now and it has completely evolved and information past on. Very cool art
Not that you need my (or anyone’s) validation, but this video 100% sets you up as an expert. I’ve been following KFM for years (and its Defence Lab offshoot) and you’re the first person to articulate what I see as its strengths, namely the Pensador and focus on the split-second between threat and attack. Everything else is basically “this will never work because MMA”, as if a ring with rules, gloves and a ref are the same as me going about my business and then having to fight for my life unexpectedly. My goal: conquer the fight or flight response, incapacitate and run. KFM provides a framework for that, if drilled in properly. Excellent job.
Thank you. I really appreciate that and when you say "conquer the fight or flight response, incapacitate and run". This is the most important aspect of self defense compared to combat sports.
Thank you for your comments. I have been sold on KEYSI for over 15 years now. I do security work, so I've been in the situations you describe, and my formal training lacked the training of street assaults.
You did a very honest look at what self defense training for the average person should be for a person not wanting to spend 15 hours a week in the gym. It is just not practical for most people to spend that amount of time. There is a different mindset for those doing combat sports for years and those wanting to learn self-defense. I have had people get angry at me discussing the difference
Yes! It’s so refreshing to hear the truth about ‘if it doesn’t work in the ring’ and self defence in actual reality - from a martial artist with a platform
I love your analysis here. Your views on MMA, Martial Arts, and Combat Sports is so incredibly refreshing to hear. I'm excited to check out more of your videos.
And subscribed. Dude, I literally left that video showing the fighting method, and the comments seemed surreal. Ive been doing martial arts for years and nothing dude said, seemed off from a self defense perspective. It blows my mind when folks will die on hills over being real. This stuff makes sense self defense wise.
There is a Japanese fight promotion,called Breaking Down, that is 1 round of 1 minute,and is meant to be based on streetfighting.The fighters are of mixed backgrounds,some in rugby and sports.
Inside fighting hit the nail on the head with this one. I really like his take on this, im pushing 50 myself and keeping it simple is important when you get old. What can you learn that takes minimum amount of time to learn, train and maintain and can still be used effectively when youre old? Simple tool development of hammerstrikes, elbows and knees, maybe they utilise boxing tecniques a bit more since bodyshots are effective, but covering your head as demonstrated here is great. Also what keysi doesnt have is use of improvised self defense tools thats legal anywhere like flashlights and walking sticks, then it would be an awsome self defense system.
With a stick I would guess practice weapon retention and using the same guard as shown but either with the stick as: 1. The "horn" 2. Part of the "structure" 3. Loaded to strike from the guard position Then see how to avoid your personal body mechanical lock out positions with the stick and how to flow comfortably in general without losing the system basics or the actual stick. Learning a weapon is less important than learning how to adapt a system it seems.
@@WaybackFencingClub the problem is age and health, if you look too young and healthy and don't have a limp, a walking stick/cane looks silly, you kind of give away you have it for trouble
I've always loved your reviews of styles. It's also nice to hear someone like yourself, a legit martial artist, talk about the ridiculous 'measuring stick' that MMA has become to other systems. I personally believe a 'true' system is Martial in nature : built to handle, generally, other styles, whether stand up, grappling etc.. Keysi, undressed, is a beautiful system. Beautiful in it's simplicity and effectiveness. That's the reason i personally lean towards and train similar Hybrid system like the Jailhouse rock aka 52. Which funny enough have a history, or so they claim, with the Keysi system. Keep up the good work
I was highly intrigued by KFM when it first began to appear in the pages of "Martial Arts Illustrated" back in 1999-2000 with technique demonstrations by Andy Norman. At the time, I was focused primarily on JKD and boxing but the 'concepts' of JKD were becoming so convoluted and chaotic, it was turning into the 'classical mess' that Bruce Lee was trying to steer people clear of. KFM offered a level of simplicity in application that was refreshing but without seeing the techniques in motion, it was difficult to assess how the 'Pensador' and other accompanying moves were correctly executed. Only when "Batman Begins" hit the cinema was it clearly denoted how each move flowed from the 'Pensador' with short, powerful forward motion, the moves being so tight when realistically executed that Andy and Justo were asked to make the moves bigger to be better seen on screen. KFM is preferable to myself as the style requires a lower centre of gravity and as I am a short person at 5' 4" the compact nature suits me superbly. Andy Norman went on to further advance the practices and formed "Defence Lab" where as certain aspects such as seated defence and multiple attacker defence have been improved upon, I feel that other aspects have been made complicated such as body shielding/manipulation and striking. The original KFM (now Justo Dieguez KFM) is for me the more preferable of the two.😊
Justo and Andy got separated and Andy rename KFM to Defense Lab and renamed most of the signature techniques and from there, there are many other variation of the original Pensador. However most self defense only taught one on one situation, kfm teaches u to fight multiple opponents and create a mindset of fighting/defending in 360 situation.
I love your videos, man! You have great insight and break things down perfectly. I have often been skeptic of Keysi, compared to Kali, Krav Maga or Silat but you have many great points and this was very interesting and instructive. Thank you for this video!
I agree with you on everything that you say 1000%. I know in the past I had some things to say negative about some of your earlier videos, but you've come into your own and your explanation of things and expressing your variety and your open-mindedness to where it actually shows what your intent is on, how you explain your content and Manhattan goes off to you and my hat dude. You hit it right on the nail I remember and my first 3 months of doing jujitsu back in the 90s that the person I want to do was figure out how to beat it because there was no way I could get on the mat and beat them at their own game. And I pretty much told them that when I went to the school and paid my dues financially with some of the students were not expecting was I was actually going to follow through what I said I was going to do so. In the end, I got a lot of rib punching head, butts and whatnot. When I try to kill them off because they always said once you're in an arm bar, you can't get out of it. Once you're in the choke hold you can't get out of it. Well I don't have gloves on when I do that and neither do they. So all I have to do is peel off at the pinky and try to break their finger off and guess what I got out of all the armbars out of all of the chokes I pretty much got out of most of the stuff having have not been on the mat any given time that would have mattered. I just wanted to understand the science of what they do so I can figure out how to beat it. Because I was a street fighter I carried it and I found me at all times. I always had a couple sticks in the cars. Not that I would take out a couple sticks and use them. But whatever had to beat you with a stick I didn't hesitate. I carried a gun. I was pretty much a thug that like martial arts a whole lot and I sold drugs and then my free time. I studied martial arts and I would walk into a karate school at Kung Fu school on our knee school, a kickboxing academy or what not. I want you every school I could when I had time and I told him exactly. One thing I just want to fight. I want to know how to fight. I only want to study fighting applications. I don't want to know your philosophy. Can you accommodate me? And of course I pull out a lot of hundreds and they always said yes but one thing never failed. The students always got pissed off cuz I would literally do everything I could to beat them at their own game and it always came to hang on the mentality of what I was going to do to them and they didn't know what to do after. So my favorite techniques are eye gouging, throw strikes, finger peeling, knees and elbows and low line kicks. And I'm in my '50s I want. I forgot head butts and all that s*** still works along with a few elbows. If you can get good at five different things. You don't need anything else in the street fight because if you have a weapon in your hand then you only need two or three moves and you're killing everybody. I don't care what they know because they have to engage and get contact to give contact so you know what. I love you channel man and I disrespected you at one point and I apologize for that. I just thought you were going on the soft end of s*** and not being real but now I see how you're delivery is. Come along and it's awesome. Keep up the good work man. Much respect
Every self defense method need a pressure test. When i praticed Silat, we used to pressure test everything by putting ourselves vs multiple opponents. Attackers were supposed to hits, not at full force, but actually hit, like a swarm. The things we noticed : simplest protections and attacks works, flashy moves don't. The rhino shield, followed by elbows and clinches, plus forearm strikes/hammer fists, have the most chance to land. We invited thai fighters, boxers, mma guys and so on. ALL of them ended up using instinctively the same things : rhino, and clinchs, and eventually some knees. That's because all those moves are instinctive. You BRAIN want to protect himself, and want to grab to opponent.
Immediately after watching this episode I watched the short of you doing the edge armor and thorns...VERY interesting, beautiful, evocative qualities explored. Also so expressive and artful, i can feel that sacred fire if i may wax eloquent. ... Viscerally you help me explore possibly the most fascinating embodied imaginings of combat throughout human history and prehistory. I can only imagine in times immemorial and unrecorded the sorts of feats of transcendent apotheosis that must have taken place. What else other than such exhibitions related second and third hand could still be echoing down through dance and myth and warrior gods at their play. Keep it up bro 🔥♈🙏
Wow. You pinned down a central difficulty of my life. Having this argument with others and even worse internalizing it . Friends, teachers of different arts and sports giving me things that just don’t begin to prepare me for the real violence of someone trying to break me, or leading me into such a trap vs trying to win in some competition in some context. There’s also so much attached to “doing THIS art,” “this way,” in this “honor.” As an older guy who’s been pretty well broken by many things in life, I see how having this honor, and focus, and identity has absolute merit. On the other hand, if you’re not competing, and you’re not creating and whetting your identity with the values of your master, the culture he grew up in, everyone else who ever just cared enough to begin appreciating whatever Martial “life” he and all other followers of that “way” live… Well, then picking up a brick or just spinning a predator into traffic makes sooooo much more sense. Just knowing to do it or not, knowing why and when and being willing is central. Elbows, boots, corner of the bar, plastic bag… You can be an honored and respected competitor/teacher, and then you can protect and save yourself and others in a complex and chaotic situation. Not mutually exclusive, but totally not the same. If you actually coined that “rhino” description, Ilan, use it! Brand it or something. I mean, it’s really good. Really, really good. Really descriptive and evocative of application, effect, attitude. An immediate and powerful teaching, even training tool. You’re doing a great thing brother. Thanks.
While training JuiJitsu years ago, I realised that being on the loosing end could change really ,quickly if I just bit the ear, nipple or anything I could get my teeth around, being bitten REALLY freaks an appointment out and probably would make them break contact to get away from me, as a last ditch effort, biting is really valid, it’s both psychologically damaging and possibly disabling to your attacker. I think it’s why the smallest dog or Parrot cause you to back off, avoiding being bitten Is hardwired into us and a real surprise in today’s society, it’s almost unthinkable, thus worth remembering when it’s not going your way.
Men i really love you're channel and how you study and try to understand martial arts and their culture heritage, i've seen a lot of videos here on youtube where everytime an obscure or diferent martial arts appear they inmeadiatly call it bullshit or macdojo etc. So im glad someone is actually taking the time to study them first before came out with a conclusion.
Love your analysis. Use logic, to form your conclusions. It's always great food for thought. Open mindedness and evolution of thought. Love your channel.
I am a martial artist for 40+ years and your opinion is a sound thought! I think that your process to continue to add to your library of Martial arts knowledge to use in different situations is sound. I use the Rhino to use in a defensive action. Mahalo
This is probably one of my favorite breakdowns of yours, if not my favorite👌. I've always been fascinated by Keysi for the same reasons im fascinated with 52 Blocks, Kali, and recently Silat. I agree with your assessment. BTW im glad you brought up your Rhino, Spear, and Cape block/cover. I love those and commented on it before on another video of yours, but I couldn't remember which . 👍
Thank you so much for spelling out the difference between combat sports and self defense, and for picking apart the criticizm often leveled at self defense styles. Those are most definitely for ordinary people who need to be able to protect themselves in a street confrontation but who aren't looking to compete in the ring. As a disabled martial artist that's my take on it - I just need to be able to walk through life peacefully, knowing that I have improved my chances of getting home safely if I ever encounter violence. I'm no fighter but martial arts have saved my ass a bunch of times, and I consider aikido (from some unorthodox teachers) ultimately the most useful I have learned. I don't care if it doesn't work in the ring - it's like criticizing a saw for not being able to hit nails like a hammer. They're just different components in a toolbox where it's best to have all the basics covered anyway, not just lots of hammers.
You are absolutely correct, I recently had a very, angry very muscular crack affected gentleman jump my 6 1/2 foot fence with a pair of nuckle dusters. With no regard to Gaurd dog signs. I have a 43 kg Bull Arab but was unable to release him in time. Luckily I was able to get to my phone and thanks to my quick thinking son he was able to get to one of my swords in my home gym and confront him, he then retreated and left. I have been practicing martial arts since 15yrs old I'm over 50 now and still train. I am not ashamed to admit I was taken completely by surprise, and have never actually considered having to fight someone weilding nuckle dusters. I have fought full contact when I was young, and practiced self defence all my life. This recent incident has made me question everything.
@@inside_fighting I am really questioning myself and everything I have ever done, it has rattled me to the core as I don't believe in weapon use myself. This happened three weeks before Christmas and has destroyed my faith in people.
@@khublieoldschoolgamer5737I’m sorry to hear. The world is not a friendly place sadly and i personally advocate weapons as they are the best deterrent. An alarm system is good too and your dogs are an amazing deterrent. Things will be ok. Keep staying positive and just focus on taking the necessary steps to make yourself feel safe in your home. I’m sorry you went through that it’s very traumatizing
@@inside_fighting I feel like I failed, nearly a lifetime of martial arts, I have been criticized for not taking physical action even though I know my actions were correct and I feel a little violated that he got to my door, I'm really angry, I have been training to the point of exhaustion.
@@khublieoldschoolgamer5737 Truth is that good tactics are better than a good round kick. You won the fight by not even having to have it, that's a win any way you look at it. The objective was get him out of the yard, and you did that. I'm sure if you had to get physical you would do a lot better than the vast majority of people would have. Self defense is not like the movies though, usually its more like war where neither side really wins just one side walks away less damaged than the other. Sorry you had to go through that though, I know what its like feel that way but it can help you decide what is the most functional way to train moving forwards. Also martial arts has done a lot for you other than being able to flawlessly fight a violent criminal, it keeps you fit, agile, coordinated, disciplined and in control of your emotions, all are a great things in every day life but also great foundations for succeeding in any kind of fight. Just focus on the most highly effective techniques and pressure testing them a little if you want to be sure you are good at dealing with violent crimes specifically, sounds like you already did most of the hard work. Just my 2 cents worth anyway, hope you dont let it get to you too much
Edit: For the record I really like the “rhino guard” and I agree that the KFM shell is the most effective part of the system and does in my opinion have superior defense for head protection with out gloves. But past the defense capabilities of the rhino guard I think it is very limited - see points below. While I do think there are some great aspects to KFM I think it’s pretty obvious why most people would argue training in boxing Muaythai wrestling or jujitsu should be higher on the priority list regarding self-defense. This is because outside of weapons unarmed combat revolves around just a handful of fundamental areas of study. Including striking range(boxing/kickboxing) and grappling(clinch,wrestling, ground fighting). If you don’t have a solid base in any one of these I would be hesitant to direct your efforts towards KFM. The additional soft skills a.k.a. street awareness, threat escalation, multiple attackers etc. can be learned relatively quickly as much of their practice revolves around a psychological change where as the physical skill required to truly master anyone of those fundamental fighting ranges takes years and years. While there are flaws in bjj/ wrestling, boxing and other combat sports which make them less suited to street fighting, I think there are MANY more flaws in KFM when it comes down to actually understanding how to fight. Obviously the lack of sparring and pressure testing is a huge issue but on top of that it doesn’t Incorporate hardly any grappling. For me it falls somewhere in the category similar to Krav Maga which initially was a system devised to help Israeli troops with no fighting experience yet some level of psychological and physical fight training that would prepare them for the realities of war within only a matter of weeks. While it is a great start or supplement I really don’t think it should be a new martial artist priority if they are looking into martial arts for self-defense. Also you can find hundreds if not thousands of videos online of a trained martial artist i.e. combat sports martial artist fighting in a self-defense situation against an untrained attacker. Nine times out of 10 they absolutely make the untrained oppenent look silly and dominant the altercation. Just look up boxer in a street fight or jujitsu in a street fight or wrestling in a street fight. You’ll find the same results. again I’m not saying there isn’t a place for KFM but I think the argument that there are flaws in traditional combat sports that make them unrelated to a street altercation is not enough justification to practice some thing that has much less ability to prepare you for the actual technical skill you will need against a resisting/fighting opponent.
Another great video!!! Your channel has become one of the best places for realistic discussion and ideas of/for real world self defense on UA-cam!!! Keep up the good work!!!
I found out about KFM because of The Dark Knight Trilogy. Very wise choice of a discipline, it bleeds striking and grappling together, focused on fighting in the pocket and in the clinch and using all spectrum of movement off of that triangle defense is practically genuis while also being legitimately cinematic. I do believe theres legitimacy in judging a disciplines effectiveness by it being tested, and being tested in the context of sport is the only objective ruling of that. So I do believe that being able to strike and defened against strikes as best as possible, you need to train in a comprehensive striking sport like Muay Thai and the equivalent is applied to grappling with BJJ or Judo. If a striking and grappling foundation in combat sports is laid, the disciplines I consider to be force multipliers to the foundational disciplines can truly have a devastating functionality in a street fight. Keysi Fighting Method is the ultimate force multiplier discipline.
What a beautiful breakdown and philosophical expression. My awareness is new to this Keysi, as of today - new. At first I thought it was Krav Maga bc of all the elbow stances. I’m now actively googling for classes nearby. Thank you for the download.
*_You’re officially my new favorite Martial Arts review and commentary UA-cam channel! I also like Ramsey Dewey, Funker Tactical, and Mr. Doug Marcaida’s channels too!_* 😎🍵🙏🏻📿🪷 🐅🔥⛩🏯🥋🧘🏻♂️☯️🏯⛩🔥🐉
@@inside_fighting: *_Can I make a suggestion for a video? How about an episode on Mr. Nigel E. February and the Piper Knife Fighting System! It’s truly some Fascinating stuff!_* 😎
Keysi system has so many elbow strikes and guards that you can see any martial arts; like for me it looks like a bit of Bajiquan since it is a kung fu style that uses elbow, hatchet kicks and body checks. Just like for you it has Filipino martial arts and Silat Very good system for anyone to learn and get real world scenario to learn how to defend yourself
I’m intrigued and will be watching more of your content. You got me at dog brothers. Not many people today, even in martial arts who know about dog brothers.
The problem I have with it is that it firstly doesn't pressure test in sparring so you can see what would actually work if you and your opponent don't know what's coming. Secondly that they immediately shell up, expose their body, hips and legs and give up their long range weapons. If you do something like this in mma at the first sign of an attack the other guy will think you're hurt and swarm you to where you're stuck in that position and can no longer amount any offense yourself because you would get knocked out. Elbows are very effective but also very short ranged and not as powerful and capable of knocking someone out as punches are. I think the best defense is offense and also to keep your opponent at bay and be ready to attack at any moment and that's just the opposite of what this system does. I've been hard sparring alot and in sparring your elbows aren't wrapped up at all so they should've a significant advantage against punches but if I immediately shell up like that and try to poke my opponent with my elbow while not being able to use any of my other weapons effectively without repositioning my opponent can just decide what he wants to do to me next. Also I think that those big blocks they do against single punches is too much movement and too slow for fighting. Also you block your own vision and in fighting seeing your opponent and his weapons is the most important thing, otherwise you woud get knocked out instantly. Also to speak on the matter of "training against other people who do your sport" I think that the people who say that also disregard that your opponent therefore also knows much more about fighting than an average bloke on the streets. So it's just harder to spar against good fighters than against people who don't know what they're doing. Also not all street fights are instant violence or death threats there are multiple different scenarios in which street fights can play out and using the example of Anthony Smith is not representative at all since firstly the fight wasn't recorded and secondly there are much more recorded street fights from ufc guys out there where they instantly knock out or choke out their opponent like Nate Diaz, Mike Parry etc. Also if you include dirty fighting like eye gouging it would just favour the for example bjj guy since he can do it as well just better since he has a better position and grappling knowledge. I mean Idk how people can even say that bjj doesn't work if you include punches and dirty strategies when bjj and the Graycies dominated the early ufc stages with hardly any rules in place back than. Also many different forms of bjj exist nowadays like submission grappling, point based bjj, combat jiu jitsu or even carjutsu.
30 years ago someone asked me if inthought i would ever get my ass kicked. I said odds are probably not. They said, oh you think you are that good. I said, no. "There are probably 200k people in a 50 mile radius that could destroy me without breaking a sweat. But here is the thing, i do everything i can to avoid a fight. Sure, i do all of this stuff, but not to 'beat ass'. I enjoy the training and competition. But i understand that anything can happen at any time. Under the right circumstances, a 10 year old could take us out. Why risk that? Why would i want to hurt someone? And i dont want to go to jail. Its not worth it. Most people that could take me out are going to feel the same way. And if 2 people are not looking to fight.....they probably arent going to fight. So being 'a bad ass' has zero yo do with it."
You're 100 % on point. Professor David James of V Arnis Jujitsu teaches the same concept. Professor James was trained by Professor V. Keep up the excellent work.
I was sold before you even started talking about the keysi method. I see now what is needed is more MMA guys who know what they’re talking about to speak out more about the legit systems that know about. Sadly they don’t. I haven’t even watched your other videos but I at least appreciate your honesty and open minded opinion. Subscribed.💪🏾
Haha, I rewatched your intro 3 times, awesome! I've trained in a few combat sports for a number of years and also krav and spear.....the more I train the less sure I am sometimes of myself when it comes to forming an opinion about self defense (because I've changed so many times and everyone else has an opinion on it as well, usually contradicting). I think I agree with everything you say. So far I've come up with; combat sports are not self defense and are not adequately preparing the average lay person towards real life violence. Most important things in self defense is training scenarios so people get used to de escalating, seeing danger in time, knowing when to go in or out, etc (all the stuff that has little do to with anything physical), something no combat sport seems to teach. BUT combat sports or at least full contact sparring, wrestling and grappling are necessary to get used to some of the chaos of getting punched, dragged, thrown etc. If in those settings you learn to use 'dirty fighting'....sweet combo! My mma trainer (duane van helvoirt) has been a fighter for a long time, trains ufc fighters, judo black belt, 3rd degree BJJ. I believe some of the guys I've trained with in these 'self defense systems' are better prepared in avoiding fatal mistakes in a violent setting or the violence all together than he is.....in other words; I think they actually have a higher statistical chance of coming home safe. However; if Duane for some reason ever decides to pick up some of these classes he will pick it up quicker than anyone else in those classes and the effect it will have will be a thousand times greater. But Idunno; other thoughts?
Great perspective. Always exceptional material my friend. Trends in martial arts are cyclical. Before long, Ninjitsu will be making a comeback lol. Anyone else remember the 80's? 😂
Love your neutral and knowledgable approach. I'd sign every word you've said in this video. What (good) SD systems try to teach is a real improvent in managing real life threats without having to become a professional (cage) fighter. Keysi does that - as well as some streamlined forms of FMA like PTK, at least how it's taugt where I live for example. Keep it simple, focus on the most common threats and focus on creating asymmetric situations ("Evade/disrupt, secure yourself, orient, then run away or bonk unarmed attacker with improvised club rather than fight on even ground"). That's enough for most people with a job and a family and limited amounts of time. And also never train a system that doesn't spar and/or pressure tests.
Good breakdown. I think a lot of martial arts have some super important simple basics, but then end up adding some flashy stuff. It's like learning sinawali and then hopping into the ring at a Dog Brother's Gathering, and realizing that all you really have is roof block and angle 1 :).
well explained Eli. I have to make a point. when I was in the Army at one base Ron Duncan's nephew was there. the guys were playing around with him. I just went took the plastic bag out of the trash can said janitor here to clean up the mess walked up to the guy used the trash can then dumped the guy in to the can. He said where did you learn that what style do you study. I said street alley fighting big deference from real fighting and dojo fighting. I like how you show these videos your very aware of different fighting an braking down how it works. salute brother
I'm glad you brought up the reason most people do "self defense" training vs. competition training. There is a serious bias with professional fighters or those doing it long term that view everything through the lens of working against another trained person. 85% to 90% of the people in the world are not trained to fight, most people have to worry about that 85-90%.
I agree with u 100%. You can’t fault anyone practicing any form of self-defense where they are protecting their head and moving through and around an unavoidable threat 🤷🏼
Silat player here (Pukulan Pentjak Silat 10+ years and now Pukulan Patikaman Kuntao Silat) -- I absolutely loved learning about KFM in Black Belt about 15-16 years ago then noticing it in the Christian Bale/Nolan Batman series movies and even though it is demonstrated in Reacher l. Also the comparison of KFM as a modern type of silat is really insightful. The great people who developed silat in Indonesia didn't typically have brick walls to push off and would have likely always had some sort of weapon. KFM empty hand does really seem to be a natural evolution for a more modern application. Glad it's getting some love on your channe
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I trained Japanese atemi ju jitsu for a few years back in my hometown and we did a lot of ground fighting but we did do every other lesson with strikes and ground work, it really does change the game. We did a lot of defence against haymakers to for self defence. I think alot of the realism was added by the sensei of that dojo. Keysei looks interesting I’ve always fancied a go,You just hear so much crap against it, it’s cool to hear a positive take on it.
Love this channel! Ok I cross train with keysi, and I want to share my experience and a crazy training method about it. It is great. I'm mainly a k1 guy (just started to compete full contact), and I follow a keysi class with my coach. My coach decided separately to do this: we do sparring sessions with palm strickes, slaps, kicks and sometimes grappling. The pensador is the defensive position here. It works generally good, but you have to be careful: 3 weeks ago I was sparring with my coach and I kept a static pensador position while he was throwing palm strickes to me, then he blasted a middle kick which smashed against my ribs.. I'd never let my body so uncovered if it was kickboxing...my rib still hurts when I lay in the bed.. lesson learnt though. This Wednesday I sparred again with these unconventional roules and I tried to alternate the pensador to a more conventional guard. I did better because I was more careful about from where the stickes were coming. Keysi is great but as pointed out other times on this channel, you've got to know more than a single system.
I subbed. I am going to take KFM more seriously now, since it's kinda like my boxing style...which is kinda like Mike Tyson's style. I like your video on him and peekaboo, too. :)
I love your content and how you articulate your ideas. You're a great communicator. Your arguments are compelling. I also find Matt Thornton's ideas compelling. But the issue I have with Thornton's arguments is I don't find very many people who want to train in martial arts for competition. I have some students who are in their 70's. I couldn't do any serious sparring with them. So I focused on developing non-telegraphic strikes, power, and covering distance. I recommend you research Jesse Glover's philosophy on martial arts training. I see a lot of overlap between this video and his philosophy.
Having watched this & seeing Keysi in films, I think this is a great fighting & self-defence system for: •Attackers that are Untrained (in martial arts) •Multiple Untrained attackers •Small or Confined Spaces •Against Boxers or Fighters who predominantly use Punch/arm strikes Keysi would NOT be useful against: •Anyone trained to kick - especially Muay Thai with their low kicks & knees, and Karate with front kicks/body kicks •Anyone that knows how to attack from a distance & keep their distance in a fight - like Karate fighters or other Kickboxing fighters •Most grapplers & other actual Keysi trained fighters - very difficult to defend grappling without the tools for it, especially if they’re quick I see this more as a “last resort” defense system in close quarters with untrained/unskilled but otherwise threatening attackers, especially multiple attackers. You wouldn’t ideally want anyone (trained or untrained) getting this close to you (in distance) if they meant you harm, simply so you could better protect your head with the Pensador. Pensador also removes so much of you sight of the person(s) trying to attack you. Anyone that knows how to fight, if they’re thinking, will use your lack of sight through that Pensador guard and obscure it further to avoid telegraphing them attacking your legs and body.
Many people have trouble comprehending the difference between wining a fight and surviving being attacked.
@@UnjustVerdict Completely different scenario in an uncontrolled environment. The risk vs reward changes significantly. Your comment is exactly what I am referring to a lot of people can't visualize how those scenarios are different, but they often completely change how people do and should fight (which are not the same thing either).
That is before you even start to consider liability as a result of a fight.
Being able to fight in a ring will allow you to defend yourself significantly better than not (assuming you haven't developed to much of a false sense of security), but fighting like it is done in the ring, with those skills and mindset are more likely to get you killed than knowing actual self defense because you are vulnerable to a great deal of things you are not vulnerable to in an organized "fair" fight. You do not posses the same protections and information and the opponents are not subject to the same level of accountability.
There is a great deal of things that changes out in the real world that people fail to understand.
@@UnjustVerdict That varies based on training and ability to apply learnt skills of the individual, but also that brutality changes significantly when the 2 people aren't squaring off on each other. Fighting someone who is trying to get away from you rather than engage with you changes that clash of physical force. Such fights also teach reliance on things such as hand protections and techniques based on gaming rules, so there are notably bad things about it as well.
Also the physicals resistance training is starting to backslide as fighters have given it up for more skill drilling and softer play style fighting. Turns out going full speed destroys your body. Almost as if thousands of years of martial arts experience over almost all the many different styles actually had a reason for how they did things.
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Yes and no. You are not wrong you just aren't correct and you can't understand why you aren't correct...which is the entire point I was making.
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First when I talk about self defense I am not necessarily talking about or even was considering "self-defense" training (although they could also be done well) but martial arts that focus on disengagement rather than pounding your opponent into oblivion.
Second as stated before that depends on training, and the individual, but there is certainly some truth in that. The idea that you have to beat each other up to learn to defend your self is highly over stated though particularly when you are talking about mythods that aren't designed to beat people up. You are comparing apples and oranges and as stated previously are not able to visualize an altercation that is about survival rather than winning.
@@UnjustVerdict Yes that would be the point of the statement "the difference between wining a fight and surviving being attacked"
Learning to fight in a ring teaches you to engage and rely on things not outside a ring, but in an uncontrolled environment your focus should be on avoiding/leaving/protecting against an altercation all together. When the skills you have are how to engage someone trained to engage with you that is insufficient training for people defending themselves through non-engagement. That reliance on training focused on engagement can be quite helpful 90% of the time, but in those 10% of the cases that engagement can be fatal; is it worth the risk/reward? Sure, you might be victorious in beating people up many times, but you can only die once.
Love the ego free analysis, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts and combat sports, I think your spot on!
Thank you :)
Thanks for your honest assessment of different disciplines. I'm the "regular guy" trying to learn self defense. I started BJJ six months ago at 53. It's fun and athletic and teaches me to handle pressure and force, but I recognize that a lot of what we do on the mats would get me killed if I did in a self defense situation. What I really need is exactly what you describe - training to know what to do when someone jumps me on the street (or my wife). I love the rhino frame you talk about and I've started incorporating that into my own at home training,. It is very hard to find places that teach this type of pure, practical self defense. The Urban Combatives stuff that I've seen on YT seems similar to this (and it would be awesome to see your take on that). Unfortunately, nothing like this (so far) near my home town in the US midwest. Keep up the great content!
Thank you and great job training! You can do a lot at home so i commend you for doing that as well. It helps
You might try to find a gym that teaches some of the more practical and streamlined FMA styles. Like Pekiti Tirsia Kali. In my books it complements BJJ quite well and also integrates use and defense against bladed and blunt weapons.
@@inside_fighting Inside Fighting did a video on Urban Combatives the title is 'Do Combat Sports suck for Self Defense??? - A Black belt analysis of Urban Combatives.' ua-cam.com/video/72f_UgT_Icw/v-deo.htmlsi=06KYgBA0reUPCJxr
I watched it a while ago, all I remember was him saying that he does a lot of the stuff that he does. And, he generally gave it a good review but he did pick up on some of the mistakes they did in a scenario-based drill.
In my regards to Urban Combatives, it's all great info but they have a tendency of training and throwing punches with tensed muscles stopping and pulling back at the punch rather than having follow through and flowing with the strike like even combat sports guys would do.
Hope you enjoy the video. And respect in picking up a physically demanding style like BJJ at age 53.
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Wing Chun vs Haymaker / Elbow Def:
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You got Keysi school in Madison, Indiana, and I am based in Chicago, IL
Excellent evaluation. I agree 100%. I’ll tell you, it’s a breath of fresh air to hear a BJJ/Muay Thai/MMA guy be real about street situations. Having trained several different Martial Arts for over 30 years, I can tell you that it’s not all fun and games when you’re in a real confrontation. I’ve gone against multiple psychos, been hit in the head with bottles, tree branches, seen friends stabbed, had a gun pulled on me, and have had an ear bitten off. How many times do you see those happen in a Dojo? ZERO. Nobody wants to train for those things because we are all typically good people and we don’t think like violent criminals. People would rather fight on mats, within a set of rules with a referee to stop things if they get unsafe and feel good about themselves like they are “invincible because they’re a BJJ purple belt.” People truly need to train on pavement, concrete, between cars, street signs, etc. Make your training real. Have an open mind. I tend to like the cover position of Keysi to enter or do damage to your opponent because not only does it protect you but anyone dumb enough to try and hit you with a fist will find out how a broken hand feels, and then you can initiate your own attack, whichever style you prefer. I wish there were more people that trained that method here in the states. Alan Baker is one that’s in your vid but he’s so far away from me. Anyway, appreciate your objective view of the system and the video!
@@UnjustVerdict you are correct. If you’re only training is in a dojo, on soft mats, and pads, you won’t be ready.
Brutha, I have been saying this for years. My question always is, why are all fight situations validated by MMA? When did MMA become the standard, when it is in a controlled environment? Self defense is totally different and every situation is different. A self defense technique that is trained repeatedly over years and pressure tested has just as much validity as anything you see in a MMA match.
Fully agree. It’s a very odd standard that now exists… two professional martial artists competing against each other is not representational of reality based combat
Hi there...hmmm... I personally hate it if I read the statement...does it work in MMA. Self defense and MMA is different and so it should not be the standart but there is one valid point I cannot deny (although I only train for self defense). MMA is a complete system with a lot of practice in competition and sparring...more than in most gyms I know🤷♂. It does not mean you have to train MMA for selfdefense (you get anyway more hurt in MMA training than you will ever experiece self defense situations )or its better at all than self defense techniques.
I think the problem often is that self defense systems are usually not pressure tested enough to make them work. It’s much easier for a trained fighter to learn some self defense techniques and make them work, than for the average self defense guy to make their own martial art work. It’s not that self defense in itself is a problem, it’s how the gyms sell it as if it’s some sort of miracle cure against being a victim, yet not delivering what they promise. I do however think that many self defense gyms are starting to see the problem and doing something about it.
Well said
Because rational belief in an idea is based on the quality of evidence to support it. There are 30 years of MMA fights and you can look at all
of that evidence on video.
Now I’m sure Sensei John and his F.A.R.T. technique are WAY better than MMA, but what evidence can the average person point to, other than just taking our word for it?
Can they look at 30 years worth of evidence? All the embarrassing defeats, and the validation of strange techniques that consistently work well even though you’d never guess it?
See, the controlled environment that you decry is actually a consistent standard by which to judge the merit of ideas. MMA isn’t a perfect test, but it is a standardized test with a huge amount of results. No one knows what your tests are like and they can’t even see them. Who wins and who loses? Why? We have no idea and no way to tell other than your word.
So your ideas could be FAR better than MMA. Really. But the average person has no REASON based in available EVIDENCE to believe that.
I'm a Muay Thai instructor, but incorporate self defense training from time to time for the students that want it. We use MT as the base, but incorporate a lot of Keysi/52 Blocks style movement during the transition. I think Keysi is a very good approach and theory to martial arts, but requires you to have a core base like boxing, Muay Thai, or wrestling.
I'm really glad to see this. Thank you. I see a lot of "influencers" really REALLY hard core shitting on this style, without A) understanding ANY of the nuances that you mentioned here and B) realizing that not everyone is going to be an "MMA bro" who spends vast amounts of time in gyms, training to SPORT fight (which as you pointed out several times can be COMPLETELY different than street encounters). And in BJJ you cannot go down to the ground on concrete or gravel etc. No discipline is all things in all situations, and these other channels pick the goofiest aspects of Keysi and laugh and point, actually doing a disservice to people who not MIGHT, but WILL get SOME value out of it. It's not all things in all situations, but neither is ANY sport. It's almost like there's nuance to things and life, and I'm glad there's a channel smart enough to understand and present that.
People love trends nowadays and what’s popular. I think we should just train what we love and not worry about anyone else. Combat sports, as much as j love them and will always train them, are ego driven.
Trained with Andy and Justo in the early 2000’s and is based and kali and silat and jkd but adapted. I watch it now and it has completely evolved and information past on. Very cool art
Not that you need my (or anyone’s) validation, but this video 100% sets you up as an expert.
I’ve been following KFM for years (and its Defence Lab offshoot) and you’re the first person to articulate what I see as its strengths, namely the Pensador and focus on the split-second between threat and attack.
Everything else is basically “this will never work because MMA”, as if a ring with rules, gloves and a ref are the same as me going about my business and then having to fight for my life unexpectedly. My goal: conquer the fight or flight response, incapacitate and run. KFM provides a framework for that, if drilled in properly.
Excellent job.
Thank you. I really appreciate that and when you say "conquer the fight or flight response, incapacitate and run". This is the most important aspect of self defense compared to combat sports.
Defence Lab IS the offshoot of KFM. KFM came before DL
Thank you for your comments. I have been sold on KEYSI for over 15 years now. I do security work, so I've been in the situations you describe, and my formal training lacked the training of street assaults.
You did a very honest look at what self defense training for the average person should be for a person not wanting to spend 15 hours a week in the gym. It is just not practical for most people to spend that amount of time.
There is a different mindset for those doing combat sports for years and those wanting to learn self-defense. I have had people get angry at me discussing the difference
Thanks very much. I’m glad you enjoyed it
Yes! It’s so refreshing to hear the truth about ‘if it doesn’t work in the ring’ and self defence in actual reality - from a martial artist with a platform
I love your analysis here. Your views on MMA, Martial Arts, and Combat Sports is so incredibly refreshing to hear. I'm excited to check out more of your videos.
And subscribed.
Dude, I literally left that video showing the fighting method, and the comments seemed surreal. Ive been doing martial arts for years and nothing dude said, seemed off from a self defense perspective.
It blows my mind when folks will die on hills over being real. This stuff makes sense self defense wise.
Appreciate it 🙏🏼
Thank you, as a former Keysi Instructor I want to thank you for the support.
Why former?
@chriswaring3873. As a former instructor, are u aware of any Keysi-like instructors in the Chicagoland area? Thanks
There is a Japanese fight promotion,called Breaking Down, that is 1 round of 1 minute,and is meant to be based on streetfighting.The fighters are of mixed backgrounds,some in rugby and sports.
Inside fighting hit the nail on the head with this one. I really like his take on this, im pushing 50 myself and keeping it simple is important when you get old. What can you learn that takes minimum amount of time to learn, train and maintain and can still be used effectively when youre old? Simple tool development of hammerstrikes, elbows and knees, maybe they utilise boxing tecniques a bit more since bodyshots are effective, but covering your head as demonstrated here is great. Also what keysi doesnt have is use of improvised self defense tools thats legal anywhere like flashlights and walking sticks, then it would be an awsome self defense system.
With a stick I would guess practice weapon retention and using the same guard as shown but either with the stick as:
1. The "horn"
2. Part of the "structure"
3. Loaded to strike from the guard position
Then see how to avoid your personal body mechanical lock out positions with the stick and how to flow comfortably in general without losing the system basics or the actual stick. Learning a weapon is less important than learning how to adapt a system it seems.
@@WaybackFencingClub the problem is age and health, if you look too young and healthy and don't have a limp, a walking stick/cane looks silly, you kind of give away you have it for trouble
It all goes back to the old saying of "you fight the way you train".
I've always loved your reviews of styles. It's also nice to hear someone like yourself, a legit martial artist, talk about the ridiculous 'measuring stick' that MMA has become to other systems. I personally believe a 'true' system is Martial in nature : built to handle, generally, other styles, whether stand up, grappling etc.. Keysi, undressed, is a beautiful system. Beautiful in it's simplicity and effectiveness. That's the reason i personally lean towards and train similar Hybrid system like the Jailhouse rock aka 52. Which funny enough have a history, or so they claim, with the Keysi system.
Keep up the good work
The techniques remind of JR i saw in the 1970s
Love your video and your breakdown!! Thank you for putting this out there!
Man I love your channel, good topics and well treated
I was highly intrigued by KFM when it first began to appear in the pages of "Martial Arts Illustrated" back in 1999-2000 with technique demonstrations by Andy Norman.
At the time, I was focused primarily on JKD and boxing but the 'concepts' of JKD were becoming so convoluted and chaotic, it was turning into the 'classical mess' that Bruce Lee was trying to steer people clear of. KFM offered a level of simplicity in application that was refreshing but without seeing the techniques in motion, it was difficult to assess how the 'Pensador' and other accompanying moves were correctly executed.
Only when "Batman Begins" hit the cinema was it clearly denoted how each move flowed from the 'Pensador' with short, powerful forward motion, the moves being so tight when realistically executed that Andy and Justo were asked to make the moves bigger to be better seen on screen.
KFM is preferable to myself as the style requires a lower centre of gravity and as I am a short person at 5' 4" the compact nature suits me superbly.
Andy Norman went on to further advance the practices and formed "Defence Lab" where as certain aspects such as seated defence and multiple attacker defence have been improved upon, I feel that other aspects have been made complicated such as body shielding/manipulation and striking.
The original KFM (now Justo Dieguez KFM) is for me the more preferable of the two.😊
Justo and Andy got separated and Andy rename KFM to Defense Lab and renamed most of the signature techniques and from there, there are many other variation of the original Pensador. However most self defense only taught one on one situation, kfm teaches u to fight multiple opponents and create a mindset of fighting/defending in 360 situation.
Yet another quality video.
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I love your videos, man! You have great insight and break things down perfectly.
I have often been skeptic of Keysi, compared to Kali, Krav Maga or Silat but you have many great points and this was very interesting and instructive. Thank you for this video!
Totally agree.
It also uses some of the flinch response in getting your hands up
Pure basics that work.
Live it.
I agree with you on everything that you say 1000%. I know in the past I had some things to say negative about some of your earlier videos, but you've come into your own and your explanation of things and expressing your variety and your open-mindedness to where it actually shows what your intent is on, how you explain your content and Manhattan goes off to you and my hat dude. You hit it right on the nail I remember and my first 3 months of doing jujitsu back in the 90s that the person I want to do was figure out how to beat it because there was no way I could get on the mat and beat them at their own game. And I pretty much told them that when I went to the school and paid my dues financially with some of the students were not expecting was I was actually going to follow through what I said I was going to do so. In the end, I got a lot of rib punching head, butts and whatnot. When I try to kill them off because they always said once you're in an arm bar, you can't get out of it. Once you're in the choke hold you can't get out of it. Well I don't have gloves on when I do that and neither do they. So all I have to do is peel off at the pinky and try to break their finger off and guess what I got out of all the armbars out of all of the chokes I pretty much got out of most of the stuff having have not been on the mat any given time that would have mattered. I just wanted to understand the science of what they do so I can figure out how to beat it. Because I was a street fighter I carried it and I found me at all times. I always had a couple sticks in the cars. Not that I would take out a couple sticks and use them. But whatever had to beat you with a stick I didn't hesitate. I carried a gun. I was pretty much a thug that like martial arts a whole lot and I sold drugs and then my free time. I studied martial arts and I would walk into a karate school at Kung Fu school on our knee school, a kickboxing academy or what not. I want you every school I could when I had time and I told him exactly. One thing I just want to fight. I want to know how to fight. I only want to study fighting applications. I don't want to know your philosophy. Can you accommodate me? And of course I pull out a lot of hundreds and they always said yes but one thing never failed. The students always got pissed off cuz I would literally do everything I could to beat them at their own game and it always came to hang on the mentality of what I was going to do to them and they didn't know what to do after. So my favorite techniques are eye gouging, throw strikes, finger peeling, knees and elbows and low line kicks. And I'm in my '50s I want. I forgot head butts and all that s*** still works along with a few elbows. If you can get good at five different things. You don't need anything else in the street fight because if you have a weapon in your hand then you only need two or three moves and you're killing everybody. I don't care what they know because they have to engage and get contact to give contact so you know what. I love you channel man and I disrespected you at one point and I apologize for that. I just thought you were going on the soft end of s*** and not being real but now I see how you're delivery is. Come along and it's awesome. Keep up the good work man. Much respect
Love your stuff! 20years bjj + others myself. Totally agree with your views regarding self defense.
You just said what I've been saying for decades. Nice to hear someone else saying it for a change.
I think you hit the nail on the head with this one!!! I Love your Vids
Thanks so much!
Every self defense method need a pressure test. When i praticed Silat, we used to pressure test everything by putting ourselves vs multiple opponents. Attackers were supposed to hits, not at full force, but actually hit, like a swarm. The things we noticed : simplest protections and attacks works, flashy moves don't. The rhino shield, followed by elbows and clinches, plus forearm strikes/hammer fists, have the most chance to land. We invited thai fighters, boxers, mma guys and so on. ALL of them ended up using instinctively the same things : rhino, and clinchs, and eventually some knees. That's because all those moves are instinctive. You BRAIN want to protect himself, and want to grab to opponent.
Immediately after watching this episode I watched the short of you doing the edge armor and thorns...VERY interesting, beautiful, evocative qualities explored. Also so expressive and artful, i can feel that sacred fire if i may wax eloquent.
... Viscerally you help me explore possibly the most fascinating embodied imaginings of combat throughout human history and prehistory. I can only imagine in times immemorial and unrecorded the sorts of feats of transcendent apotheosis that must have taken place. What else other than such exhibitions related second and third hand could still be echoing down through dance and myth and warrior gods at their play.
Keep it up bro 🔥♈🙏
Wow. You pinned down a central difficulty of my life. Having this argument with others and even worse internalizing it . Friends, teachers of different arts and sports giving me things that just don’t begin to prepare me for the real violence of someone trying to break me, or leading me into such a trap vs trying to win in some competition in some context. There’s also so much attached to “doing THIS art,” “this way,” in this “honor.” As an older guy who’s been pretty well broken by many things in life, I see how having this honor, and focus, and identity has absolute merit. On the other hand, if you’re not competing, and you’re not creating and whetting your identity with the values of your master, the culture he grew up in, everyone else who ever just cared enough to begin appreciating whatever Martial “life” he and all other followers of that “way” live… Well, then picking up a brick or just spinning a predator into traffic makes sooooo much more sense. Just knowing to do it or not, knowing why and when and being willing is central. Elbows, boots, corner of the bar, plastic bag… You can be an honored and respected competitor/teacher, and then you can protect and save yourself and others in a complex and chaotic situation. Not mutually exclusive, but totally not the same.
If you actually coined that “rhino” description, Ilan, use it! Brand it or something. I mean, it’s really good. Really, really good. Really descriptive and evocative of application, effect, attitude. An immediate and powerful teaching, even training tool.
You’re doing a great thing brother. Thanks.
Absolutely excellent as usual. Drilling the guard (17:40) is awesome idea for all. Thanks.
While training JuiJitsu years ago, I realised that being on the loosing end could change really ,quickly if I just bit the ear, nipple or anything I could get my teeth around, being bitten REALLY freaks an appointment out and probably would make them break contact to get away from me, as a last ditch effort, biting is really valid, it’s both psychologically damaging and possibly disabling to your attacker. I think it’s why the smallest dog or Parrot cause you to back off, avoiding being bitten Is hardwired into us and a real surprise in today’s society, it’s almost unthinkable, thus worth remembering when it’s not going your way.
Men i really love you're channel and how you study and try to understand martial arts and their culture heritage, i've seen a lot of videos here on youtube where everytime an obscure or diferent martial arts appear they inmeadiatly call it bullshit or macdojo etc.
So im glad someone is actually taking the time to study them first before came out with a conclusion.
Love your analysis. Use logic, to form your conclusions. It's always great food for thought. Open mindedness and evolution of thought. Love your channel.
Liked this video alot. Would like to see more videos on this and other self-defense systems.
I am a martial artist for 40+ years and your opinion is a sound thought! I think that your process to continue to add to your library of Martial arts knowledge to use in different situations is sound. I use the Rhino to use in a defensive action. Mahalo
This is probably one of my favorite breakdowns of yours, if not my favorite👌. I've always been fascinated by Keysi for the same reasons im fascinated with 52 Blocks, Kali, and recently Silat. I agree with your assessment.
BTW im glad you brought up your Rhino, Spear, and Cape block/cover. I love those and commented on it before on another video of yours, but I couldn't remember which . 👍
I'm waiting to see you do a video assessment of Okinawa Uechi Ryu.
Look up sensei Shinjo Kiyohide of Okinawa. A real life superman.
I will 🙏🏼
Finger strikes and finger techinques is another underdeveloped element of close quarter fighting. Chin Na seems to be the only one.
I love this. I will add this to my training for self-defense.
Spot on perspective on self-defense.
I didn't know about this system; Thank you!
Thank you so much for spelling out the difference between combat sports and self defense, and for picking apart the criticizm often leveled at self defense styles. Those are most definitely for ordinary people who need to be able to protect themselves in a street confrontation but who aren't looking to compete in the ring. As a disabled martial artist that's my take on it - I just need to be able to walk through life peacefully, knowing that I have improved my chances of getting home safely if I ever encounter violence. I'm no fighter but martial arts have saved my ass a bunch of times, and I consider aikido (from some unorthodox teachers) ultimately the most useful I have learned. I don't care if it doesn't work in the ring - it's like criticizing a saw for not being able to hit nails like a hammer. They're just different components in a toolbox where it's best to have all the basics covered anyway, not just lots of hammers.
Awesome. Great video
Great learning !😊
wonderful analysis. great one
Thank you for this video.
You are absolutely correct, I recently had a very, angry very muscular crack affected gentleman jump my 6 1/2 foot fence with a pair of nuckle dusters. With no regard to Gaurd dog signs. I have a 43 kg Bull Arab but was unable to release him in time. Luckily I was able to get to my phone and thanks to my quick thinking son he was able to get to one of my swords in my home gym and confront him, he then retreated and left. I have been practicing martial arts since 15yrs old I'm over 50 now and still train. I am not ashamed to admit I was taken completely by surprise, and have never actually considered having to fight someone weilding nuckle dusters. I have fought full contact when I was young, and practiced self defence all my life. This recent incident has made me question everything.
I’m glad you and your son are ok
@@inside_fighting I am really questioning myself and everything I have ever done, it has rattled me to the core as I don't believe in weapon use myself. This happened three weeks before Christmas and has destroyed my faith in people.
@@khublieoldschoolgamer5737I’m sorry to hear. The world is not a friendly place sadly and i personally advocate weapons as they are the best deterrent. An alarm system is good too and your dogs are an amazing deterrent. Things will be ok. Keep staying positive and just focus on taking the necessary steps to make yourself feel safe in your home.
I’m sorry you went through that it’s very traumatizing
@@inside_fighting I feel like I failed, nearly a lifetime of martial arts, I have been criticized for not taking physical action even though I know my actions were correct and I feel a little violated that he got to my door, I'm really angry, I have been training to the point of exhaustion.
@@khublieoldschoolgamer5737 Truth is that good tactics are better than a good round kick. You won the fight by not even having to have it, that's a win any way you look at it. The objective was get him out of the yard, and you did that. I'm sure if you had to get physical you would do a lot better than the vast majority of people would have. Self defense is not like the movies though, usually its more like war where neither side really wins just one side walks away less damaged than the other.
Sorry you had to go through that though, I know what its like feel that way but it can help you decide what is the most functional way to train moving forwards. Also martial arts has done a lot for you other than being able to flawlessly fight a violent criminal, it keeps you fit, agile, coordinated, disciplined and in control of your emotions, all are a great things in every day life but also great foundations for succeeding in any kind of fight.
Just focus on the most highly effective techniques and pressure testing them a little if you want to be sure you are good at dealing with violent crimes specifically, sounds like you already did most of the hard work.
Just my 2 cents worth anyway, hope you dont let it get to you too much
Edit: For the record I really like the “rhino guard” and I agree that the KFM shell is the most effective part of the system and does in my opinion have superior defense for head protection with out gloves. But past the defense capabilities of the rhino guard I think it is very limited - see points below.
While I do think there are some great aspects to KFM I think it’s pretty obvious why most people would argue training in boxing Muaythai wrestling or jujitsu should be higher on the priority list regarding self-defense. This is because outside of weapons unarmed combat revolves around just a handful of fundamental areas of study. Including striking range(boxing/kickboxing) and grappling(clinch,wrestling, ground fighting). If you don’t have a solid base in any one of these I would be hesitant to direct your efforts towards KFM. The additional soft skills a.k.a. street awareness, threat escalation, multiple attackers etc. can be learned relatively quickly as much of their practice revolves around a psychological change where as the physical skill required to truly master anyone of those fundamental fighting ranges takes years and years.
While there are flaws in bjj/ wrestling, boxing and other combat sports which make them less suited to street fighting, I think there are MANY more flaws in KFM when it comes down to actually understanding how to fight. Obviously the lack of sparring and pressure testing is a huge issue but on top of that it doesn’t Incorporate hardly any grappling. For me it falls somewhere in the category similar to Krav Maga which initially was a system devised to help Israeli troops with no fighting experience yet some level of psychological and physical fight training that would prepare them for the realities of war within only a matter of weeks. While it is a great start or supplement I really don’t think it should be a new martial artist priority if they are looking into martial arts for self-defense.
Also you can find hundreds if not thousands of videos online of a trained martial artist i.e. combat sports martial artist fighting in a self-defense situation against an untrained attacker. Nine times out of 10 they absolutely make the untrained oppenent look silly and dominant the altercation. Just look up boxer in a street fight or jujitsu in a street fight or wrestling in a street fight. You’ll find the same results. again I’m not saying there isn’t a place for KFM but I think the argument that there are flaws in traditional combat sports that make them unrelated to a street altercation is not enough justification to practice some thing that has much less ability to prepare you for the actual technical skill you will need against a resisting/fighting opponent.
100% agree on all points. Great breakdown.
Thank you!
Excellent advice.
Agreed! Thanks
Pretty cool, thanks
Another great video!!! Your channel has become one of the best places for realistic discussion and ideas of/for real world self defense on UA-cam!!! Keep up the good work!!!
Great information and emphasis. Stay healthy
Much appreciated
One of the best analyses I've heard on self defense vs. sports fighting. I hate the black and white arguments that are thrown around constantly.
Thank you for your video!
I found out about KFM because of The Dark Knight Trilogy. Very wise choice of a discipline, it bleeds striking and grappling together, focused on fighting in the pocket and in the clinch and using all spectrum of movement off of that triangle defense is practically genuis while also being legitimately cinematic.
I do believe theres legitimacy in judging a disciplines effectiveness by it being tested, and being tested in the context of sport is the only objective ruling of that. So I do believe that being able to strike and defened against strikes as best as possible, you need to train in a comprehensive striking sport like Muay Thai and the equivalent is applied to grappling with BJJ or Judo.
If a striking and grappling foundation in combat sports is laid, the disciplines I consider to be force multipliers to the foundational disciplines can truly have a devastating functionality in a street fight.
Keysi Fighting Method is the ultimate force multiplier discipline.
What a beautiful breakdown and philosophical expression. My awareness is new to this Keysi, as of today - new.
At first I thought it was Krav Maga bc of all the elbow stances. I’m now actively googling for classes nearby. Thank you for the download.
Great video
*_You’re officially my new favorite Martial Arts review and commentary UA-cam channel! I also like Ramsey Dewey, Funker Tactical, and Mr. Doug Marcaida’s channels too!_*
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Those guys are all amazing so I’m very flattered to know you like my channel. Thanks man
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@@dannyarnold4201 absolutely. I’ll do one
Loved this!!!!!
Thank you
Keysi system has so many elbow strikes and guards that you can see any martial arts; like for me it looks like a bit of Bajiquan since it is a kung fu style that uses elbow, hatchet kicks and body checks. Just like for you it has Filipino martial arts and Silat
Very good system for anyone to learn and get real world scenario to learn how to defend yourself
Was also thinking baji
I’m intrigued and will be watching more of your content. You got me at dog brothers. Not many people today, even in martial arts who know about dog brothers.
good infos man , loved it !
Thanks bro, amazing video 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽👏🏽👏🏽🔥
The problem I have with it is that it firstly doesn't pressure test in sparring so you can see what would actually work if you and your opponent don't know what's coming. Secondly that they immediately shell up, expose their body, hips and legs and give up their long range weapons. If you do something like this in mma at the first sign of an attack the other guy will think you're hurt and swarm you to where you're stuck in that position and can no longer amount any offense yourself because you would get knocked out. Elbows are very effective but also very short ranged and not as powerful and capable of knocking someone out as punches are. I think the best defense is offense and also to keep your opponent at bay and be ready to attack at any moment and that's just the opposite of what this system does. I've been hard sparring alot and in sparring your elbows aren't wrapped up at all so they should've a significant advantage against punches but if I immediately shell up like that and try to poke my opponent with my elbow while not being able to use any of my other weapons effectively without repositioning my opponent can just decide what he wants to do to me next. Also I think that those big blocks they do against single punches is too much movement and too slow for fighting. Also you block your own vision and in fighting seeing your opponent and his weapons is the most important thing, otherwise you woud get knocked out instantly. Also to speak on the matter of "training against other people who do your sport" I think that the people who say that also disregard that your opponent therefore also knows much more about fighting than an average bloke on the streets. So it's just harder to spar against good fighters than against people who don't know what they're doing. Also not all street fights are instant violence or death threats there are multiple different scenarios in which street fights can play out and using the example of Anthony Smith is not representative at all since firstly the fight wasn't recorded and secondly there are much more recorded street fights from ufc guys out there where they instantly knock out or choke out their opponent like Nate Diaz, Mike Parry etc. Also if you include dirty fighting like eye gouging it would just favour the for example bjj guy since he can do it as well just better since he has a better position and grappling knowledge. I mean Idk how people can even say that bjj doesn't work if you include punches and dirty strategies when bjj and the Graycies dominated the early ufc stages with hardly any rules in place back than. Also many different forms of bjj exist nowadays like submission grappling, point based bjj, combat jiu jitsu or even carjutsu.
Thank you for spitting cold facts nonstop
30 years ago someone asked me if inthought i would ever get my ass kicked. I said odds are probably not. They said, oh you think you are that good. I said, no.
"There are probably 200k people in a 50 mile radius that could destroy me without breaking a sweat. But here is the thing, i do everything i can to avoid a fight. Sure, i do all of this stuff, but not to 'beat ass'. I enjoy the training and competition. But i understand that anything can happen at any time. Under the right circumstances, a 10 year old could take us out. Why risk that? Why would i want to hurt someone? And i dont want to go to jail. Its not worth it.
Most people that could take me out are going to feel the same way. And if 2 people are not looking to fight.....they probably arent going to fight. So being 'a bad ass' has zero yo do with it."
Great I completely agree with you.
You're 100 % on point. Professor David James of V Arnis Jujitsu teaches the same concept. Professor James was trained by Professor V. Keep up the excellent work.
Agree 100% great analysis and I have never trained this art, always been a grappler, thanks
I was sold before you even started talking about the keysi method. I see now what is needed is more MMA guys who know what they’re talking about to speak out more about the legit systems that know about. Sadly they don’t. I haven’t even watched your other videos but I at least appreciate your honesty and open minded opinion. Subscribed.💪🏾
Thank grate video!
Thank you 🙏🏼
Haha, I rewatched your intro 3 times, awesome!
I've trained in a few combat sports for a number of years and also krav and spear.....the more I train the less sure I am sometimes of myself when it comes to forming an opinion about self defense (because I've changed so many times and everyone else has an opinion on it as well, usually contradicting).
I think I agree with everything you say. So far I've come up with; combat sports are not self defense and are not adequately preparing the average lay person towards real life violence. Most important things in self defense is training scenarios so people get used to de escalating, seeing danger in time, knowing when to go in or out, etc (all the stuff that has little do to with anything physical), something no combat sport seems to teach. BUT combat sports or at least full contact sparring, wrestling and grappling are necessary to get used to some of the chaos of getting punched, dragged, thrown etc. If in those settings you learn to use 'dirty fighting'....sweet combo!
My mma trainer (duane van helvoirt) has been a fighter for a long time, trains ufc fighters, judo black belt, 3rd degree BJJ. I believe some of the guys I've trained with in these 'self defense systems' are better prepared in avoiding fatal mistakes in a violent setting or the violence all together than he is.....in other words; I think they actually have a higher statistical chance of coming home safe. However; if Duane for some reason ever decides to pick up some of these classes he will pick it up quicker than anyone else in those classes and the effect it will have will be a thousand times greater.
But Idunno; other thoughts?
Great perspective. Always exceptional material my friend. Trends in martial arts are cyclical. Before long, Ninjitsu will be making a comeback lol. Anyone else remember the 80's? 😂
Thank you very much for your videos. They're always interesting! Just out of curiosity, what school of Silat are you practising?
Love your neutral and knowledgable approach. I'd sign every word you've said in this video. What (good) SD systems try to teach is a real improvent in managing real life threats without having to become a professional (cage) fighter. Keysi does that - as well as some streamlined forms of FMA like PTK, at least how it's taugt where I live for example. Keep it simple, focus on the most common threats and focus on creating asymmetric situations ("Evade/disrupt, secure yourself, orient, then run away or bonk unarmed attacker with improvised club rather than fight on even ground"). That's enough for most people with a job and a family and limited amounts of time. And also never train a system that doesn't spar and/or pressure tests.
Great presentation brother, great research and critiques. Lol 😀👍🏼👍🏼🙏🏼
As a Silat practitioner i 100% agree with your evaluation of the origins of the KFM. Good to see the silat love.
Good breakdown. I think a lot of martial arts have some super important simple basics, but then end up adding some flashy stuff. It's like learning sinawali and then hopping into the ring at a Dog Brother's Gathering, and realizing that all you really have is roof block and angle 1 :).
Thank you for your take on this system. My take is they start as self defence then it morphs into "fighting". There is a big difference.
I watch all the time!😊
well explained Eli. I have to make a point. when I was in the Army at one base Ron Duncan's nephew was there. the guys were playing around with him. I just went took the plastic bag out of the trash can said janitor here to clean up the mess walked up to the guy used the trash can then dumped the guy in to the can. He said where did you learn that what style do you study. I said street alley fighting big deference from real fighting and dojo fighting. I like how you show these videos your very aware of different fighting an braking down how it works. salute brother
I'm glad you brought up the reason most people do "self defense" training vs. competition training. There is a serious bias with professional fighters or those doing it long term that view everything through the lens of working against another trained person. 85% to 90% of the people in the world are not trained to fight, most people have to worry about that 85-90%.
Great video Ilan! Would be cool to hear your thoughts on chow gar tong long. Keep up the good work!
Man this echoed everything I've thought about this stuff over the years. 👍
First video and you’ve sold me on the intro alone lol 😂
I agree with u 100%. You can’t fault anyone practicing any form of self-defense where they are protecting their head and moving through and around an unavoidable threat 🤷🏼
Silat player here (Pukulan Pentjak Silat 10+ years and now Pukulan Patikaman Kuntao Silat) -- I absolutely loved learning about KFM in Black Belt about 15-16 years ago then noticing it in the Christian Bale/Nolan Batman series movies and even though it is demonstrated in Reacher
l.
Also the comparison of KFM as a modern type of silat is really insightful. The great people who developed silat in Indonesia didn't typically have brick walls to push off and would have likely always had some sort of weapon. KFM empty hand does really seem to be a natural evolution for a more modern application.
Glad it's getting some love on your channe
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I trained Japanese atemi ju jitsu for a few years back in my hometown and we did a lot of ground fighting but we did do every other lesson with strikes and ground work, it really does change the game. We did a lot of defence against haymakers to for self defence. I think alot of the realism was added by the sensei of that dojo. Keysei looks interesting I’ve always fancied a go,You just hear so much crap against it, it’s cool to hear a positive take on it.
Love this channel! Ok I cross train with keysi, and I want to share my experience and a crazy training method about it. It is great.
I'm mainly a k1 guy (just started to compete full contact), and I follow a keysi class with my coach. My coach decided separately to do this: we do sparring sessions with palm strickes, slaps, kicks and sometimes grappling. The pensador is the defensive position here. It works generally good, but you have to be careful: 3 weeks ago I was sparring with my coach and I kept a static pensador position while he was throwing palm strickes to me, then he blasted a middle kick which smashed against my ribs.. I'd never let my body so uncovered if it was kickboxing...my rib still hurts when I lay in the bed.. lesson learnt though. This Wednesday I sparred again with these unconventional roules and I tried to alternate the pensador to a more conventional guard. I did better because I was more careful about from where the stickes were coming. Keysi is great but as pointed out other times on this channel, you've got to know more than a single system.
I subbed. I am going to take KFM more seriously now, since it's kinda like my boxing style...which is kinda like Mike Tyson's style. I like your video on him and peekaboo, too. :)
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! People, listen up
Hey man, great video! I was wandering if you can do a video on Sorudo and see what you think?
I never heard of it so I’m excited to reeearxh it
Well said brother. 🙏🙏
Thank you 🙏🏼
I love your content and how you articulate your ideas. You're a great communicator. Your arguments are compelling. I also find Matt Thornton's ideas compelling. But the issue I have with Thornton's arguments is I don't find very many people who want to train in martial arts for competition. I have some students who are in their 70's. I couldn't do any serious sparring with them. So I focused on developing non-telegraphic strikes, power, and covering distance. I recommend you research Jesse Glover's philosophy on martial arts training. I see a lot of overlap between this video and his philosophy.
Having watched this & seeing Keysi in films, I think this is a great fighting & self-defence system for:
•Attackers that are Untrained (in martial arts)
•Multiple Untrained attackers
•Small or Confined Spaces
•Against Boxers or Fighters who predominantly use Punch/arm strikes
Keysi would NOT be useful against:
•Anyone trained to kick - especially Muay Thai with their low kicks & knees, and Karate with front kicks/body kicks
•Anyone that knows how to attack from a distance & keep their distance in a fight - like Karate fighters or other Kickboxing fighters
•Most grapplers & other actual Keysi trained fighters - very difficult to defend grappling without the tools for it, especially if they’re quick
I see this more as a “last resort” defense system in close quarters with untrained/unskilled but otherwise threatening attackers, especially multiple attackers.
You wouldn’t ideally want anyone (trained or untrained) getting this close to you (in distance) if they meant you harm, simply so you could better protect your head with the Pensador.
Pensador also removes so much of you sight of the person(s) trying to attack you.
Anyone that knows how to fight, if they’re thinking, will use your lack of sight through that Pensador guard and obscure it further to avoid telegraphing them attacking your legs and body.