I swear to God, it feels like every single team has a formers spurs assistant like Popovich coaching trees is insane and even crazier that they have a GM tree 😂
Bro's low-key trying to recreate the Spurs. You have their former shooting coach and then a HC that preaches ball movement/defense. Presti ain't slick 🤣
@@kidgotgame4516Spurs front office is fucking trash. It takes winning the lottery for generational big men to save them. Think about this. Spurs last playoff appearance was before Covid existed while the Thunder were in the Bubble Playoffs. How tf are the Spurs still ass and won less games with Wemby 💀
@@808bboarder bro look at their first round picks they got after kawhi left the spurs. They couldn't get a single top 10 pick until last year and this year, in which they picked jeremy Sohan and wemby(good player). Are you saying they should've gone the Brooklyn nets route and just bring stars from outside when you know it's failed more often than not? The spurs have always been that team that actually builds their talent through the draft and now that they got it, they'll be good again. You can't expect them to make playoffs when they couldn't draft a single good player. It's not their fault that all their draft picks turned out to be bad.
As a Thunder fan that’s been through both, this video was so well done. Brought back great memories, great frustrations but really showed how great Presti is and how quick we got back into the discussion with one of the brightest futures I’ve ever seen.. to have 11 QUALITY players that can play and not kill the team is crazy and one of the best players in the organization still hasn’t cracked the lineup yet. With one potential lottery pick this season (3total) and another 3 next year while having cap because ALL our players are so young is truly amazing. Thank you for the blast from the past and the look into the future
If you time traveled to someone in 2012 after the finals and told them that in 2024 the OKC thunder not only are still looking to make their first finals since let alone win their first championship they would not believe you
As a Supersonic myself, the pain in seeing our former team draft 3 hall of fame players in consecutive drafts was crushing. When the Sonics return OKC will have hell to pay.
I feel like OKC is, in a weird way, is kind of cursed because of how they left Seattle. They created the next great NBA dynasty with KD, Russ, and Harden, and then they blew it by trading Harden. They are close, but they kept getting beaten by San Antonio and Golden State
Or the sonics will become the Cleveland Browns of the NBA and be clowned on by the OKC like the Ravens have to the browns for 24 years… be careful what you wish for.
as a Thunder fan the first 3 quarters of this video were hard to watch knowing what was going to happen in the end, but the last quarter gives me so much hope that we can maybe pull this thing off!
Reviving all of this and seeing the starting 5 at 15:55 gives me nightmares. Thanks Tooforwon! Really tho this is a great video besides all the pain I feel as a pistons fan. Atleast I was alive to see 2004 I guess
Your videos are the best. The combination of nostalgia along with how well you explain how past effects the present and future has me reeled in and hooked ! I love this channel and have been binging your videos for weeks now. Keep up the good work ❤
Bro you are mad talented fr. I respect the amount of time you put into this vid beats a lot of basketball documentaries out there. Great stuff man appreciate the content you make.
Hey I feel you as a lifelong Minnesota fan it’s been 24 years of depression but hey we finally made it somewhere this year and the future is looking bright hope you guys can turn it around and do well in the future also at least you guys have a few championship banners
Love this video as a Thunder fan!! Great compilation and narration. One thing was that Billy D didn’t get fired. He chose to leave OKC and go to the Bulls because he didn’t want to be a part of the rebuild
NGL, as a Pistons supporter, I've looked at OkC with envious eyes a few times. Like how many times can yall break down a team and bounce back like Gumby lmao. I can only blame the team for picking Darko, and even that should be forgiven by now. Hayes over Haliburton still kills me, along with giving our coach an offer he couldn't refuse.It's just so many head scratching moments. I've always liked Okc. Hope you guys get one.
The difference is one is drafting with an eye for talent and a developmental plan and the other plans to build their team by luck in hopes of top 5 picks in hopes it plans out. They are not the same.
I like you how talk about sports because it’s like we’re there while it’s happening, even though I know what happens next I still feel like there is anticipation.
1:02:23 the idiot bringing up how many titles OKC ended up with when questioning Sam Presti’s leadership must’ve forgot OKC went through the all-time best teams and players for the past decade 😂craziest gauntlet for a young team. Grit and grind Grizzlies, Kobe, Dirk, Bron, Duncan, Ginobli, Kawahi is a crazy list of HoF players bro just ignored.
I was thinking this morning why there`s only short ones from you. getting little annoyd. And there it is! Thanks. I know i`ll watch this again, bacause english is my second language and these are good.
Hey man. Just wanna say, this is great editing and I really enjoyed this. Im a Wolves fan and I really respect the Thunder. SGA and Company really deserve their flowers for the rebuild
When the Ford family bought the lions in 1964, they were a storied franchise, and turned the team into the laughingstock of the NFL, and is only now changing their culture Tom Gores bought the Pistons in 2011, which was also a historic franchise, and has basically run them to the ground. If you’re over the age of 30, you’re probably not gonna see another pistons chip in ur lifetime assuming Gores holds onto the team
Someone has to have the type of love and eye for talent that the Holmes and Presti’s out there do along with draft capital. Lions had that capital and turned it around along with Presti in OKC. Detroit didn’t have any of that. Just money.
Booted first round of my fantasy playoffs last night cuz my team was looking like a damn hospital and I ran out of waiver moves. This was nice to wake up to, thanks man
As a Pistons fan, I already know everything there is to know about these guys. GM’s threw money and trades for out one championship and drafted absolutely horribly for the next decade. Then it continued all the way up until Cade. We had no draft capital after the leadership turnover and questionable decisions in recent years. It’s crazy how exactly 20 years since our last championship, we are the total opposite in terms of defense and winning.
Went to sleep early and now I’m wide awake with 4 hours until work and I can’t go back to sleep! I see twoforwon done post a video finally! This video is so on point right now!✅💯
The Chauncey trade wasn’t the worst because ultimately the run had already ended by that point. The Blake trade was the worst because it actively set the franchise back. It was like selling your house to take a vacation. And not even a good vacation. Like renting an over priced loft in Ohio for two months and eating frozen pizza every night.
he has returned with a banger documentary. It’s really important to see two sides of the coin when it comes to rebuild and I think pistons and thunder are just that well done bro.
Here is an insane fact about OKC screwing with the Supersonics before they even existed. Seattle Supersonics were named after the Boeing 2707, which was supposed to be the first supersonic passanger airplane. The plane never entered service as the problems of supersonic passanger flight were realized in operation bongo II also known as the "Oklahoma City sonic boom tetsts". Test done in Oaklahoma City destroyed the thing that the sonics were named after and then almost 50 years later the same city stole the team.
@@808bboarder what are you talking about? I didn't incinuate anything I just pointed out a wild coinsidence. You can just look up the origins of the Seattle Supersonics from any offical NBA or Sonics source and bongo II from any offical US source. There is no conspiracy and bongo II and the fact that the Sonics moved have nothing to do with each other and nothing in what i wrote says that there is.
Yo.. forget what the haters are talking about. The editing on this video is different, yea… but it’s unique. It’s extremely stylistic. It gets the job done with storytelling. I edit a lot Of videos, so I know what I’m talking about. #fcp7 #fcpx. I really like how you edited Chris Webber claiming they needed a shot blocker which was the lead in to Serge Ibaka’s break out season. That was genius editing !
Tbh we gotta appreciate the fact that Sam Presti had two superstars to trade and start their rebuild. This doesn't really happen that often. The way Sam Presti navigated the domino effect from those two trades was truly masterful.
Remember when I was in these comments a couple years ago repping sga for King 👑..I've been on that since he was at Kentucky..feels good to be right every once and awhile lol
Brother just to start off and get this outta the way you make the best basketball vids on UA-cam imo. What you could still improve are 2 things - consistency of uploading and for this video specifically there were parts in the beginning that were way to low on brightness to see what was happening. Besides those minor things you're Killin it. Been with you from early. Respect sent from Toronto
WHile OKC has done a good job rebuilding I feel like this isn't a fair comparison. OKC had the assets to really accelerate it where detroit has been trash for a minute.
I agree. Presti definitely has an eye for talent that can’t be denied though. Harden and Westbrook seemed like reaches by experts and Presti knew the fit and upside was more important. That bet turned into big time trades that they’ll reap for years. Meanwhile, Pistons had no fucking capital in the draft at all, because they broke the bank on sorry broken down players.
OK compare Pistons to Rockets. Rockets are on the rise and Pistons are still straight trash. It almost like the Pistons should've picked Jalen Green over Cade Cunningham for one.
@@Bob-te3le One team signed veterans and one didn’t. Assuming Detroit goes and gets veterans this off season they too will improve. The big difference is Houston’s core guys aren’t primary ball handlers. I mean they had given the ball to Amen instead of FVV they have 10-15 wins too. Orlando would be the more apt comparison since they are at least doing it with young players. I think Detroit is the 18-19 Suns. They were trash for four years with Booker before they showed signs of life. Only guys like Luka and Bron can just run a team starting in year two
@@sosmooth13 Harden definitely wasn’t a reach. He made by far the most sense among the available players. (Maybe Steph but no one was looking at Steph like that.) But 100% on everything else
u could also blame the pistons for tht tho they held on to old players for too long and never traded to get younger and wanted to "compete" by being a 5-8 seed for years like the pacers as a gm u gotta know when its time to actually restart if u want to actually compete and not be mediocre for a decade
I swear to God, it feels like every single team has a formers spurs assistant like Popovich coaching trees is insane and even crazier that they have a GM tree 😂
Bro's low-key trying to recreate the Spurs. You have their former shooting coach and then a HC that preaches ball movement/defense. Presti ain't slick 🤣
@@kidgotgame4516it’s the right move. Look how much the spurs won during Duncan’s years. Right organization to try and emulate
Pop was a gm too
@@kidgotgame4516Spurs front office is fucking trash. It takes winning the lottery for generational big men to save them. Think about this. Spurs last playoff appearance was before Covid existed while the Thunder were in the Bubble Playoffs. How tf are the Spurs still ass and won less games with Wemby 💀
@@808bboarder bro look at their first round picks they got after kawhi left the spurs. They couldn't get a single top 10 pick until last year and this year, in which they picked jeremy Sohan and wemby(good player). Are you saying they should've gone the Brooklyn nets route and just bring stars from outside when you know it's failed more often than not? The spurs have always been that team that actually builds their talent through the draft and now that they got it, they'll be good again. You can't expect them to make playoffs when they couldn't draft a single good player. It's not their fault that all their draft picks turned out to be bad.
Sam presti is a generational gm
those first 15 seconds was probably one of the greatest intros from a basketball documentary. The music choice was perfect. GG’s
I love gone gone/thank you too
just bouta eat sum dinner, tooforwon posts, this really a two for one 😂😂
Fye 😂
What bro have for dinner ?
@@AsianLing🎉
same lol
lol sames
"If sports betting was around back then..."
There weren't smart phones and it took a couple more steps, but there was betting in 2004.
Yeah I know. I definitely messed up there 😅
I was gonna say they been betting on sports since like 1700’s 😂😂😂
@@604eignpeople would bet on the gladiators lol. People have been betting as long as there's been sport
As a Thunder fan that’s been through both, this video was so well done. Brought back great memories, great frustrations but really showed how great Presti is and how quick we got back into the discussion with one of the brightest futures I’ve ever seen.. to have 11 QUALITY players that can play and not kill the team is crazy and one of the best players in the organization still hasn’t cracked the lineup yet. With one potential lottery pick this season (3total) and another 3 next year while having cap because ALL our players are so young is truly amazing. Thank you for the blast from the past and the look into the future
Missed one thing, That blake griffin trade had a 1st rounder used to draft Shai Gilgeous-Alexander lmfaooooo
Because he wasn't really. Miles Bridges was the pick that went to Los Angeles. He traded on draft night to Charlotte for SGA
As someone from OKC, it has been an awesome roller coaster to witness and be a part of. Great video man!! Now let's ball! #ThunderUp
good to have you back. best long form content in the biz.
If you time traveled to someone in 2012 after the finals and told them that in 2024 the OKC thunder not only are still looking to make their first finals since let alone win their first championship they would not believe you
wtf is the background noise
Porn music
Jeff Green's reaction to being traded on draft day is amazing. "I've been traded, day one, to play with this guy". He was honored to play with KD
As a Supersonic myself, the pain in seeing our former team draft 3 hall of fame players in consecutive drafts was crushing. When the Sonics return OKC will have hell to pay.
I feel like OKC is, in a weird way, is kind of cursed because of how they left Seattle. They created the next great NBA dynasty with KD, Russ, and Harden, and then they blew it by trading Harden. They are close, but they kept getting beaten by San Antonio and Golden State
It's still crazy to me that there are 17 year olds walking around that have never seen a Supersonics game.
You're Sonic?
@@julianbell9161Milwaukee Brewers (aka the Seattle Pilots): *First time?!*
Or the sonics will become the Cleveland Browns of the NBA and be clowned on by the OKC like the Ravens have to the browns for 24 years… be careful what you wish for.
Really great to see your progress bro. Your videos have been getting better and better
Hubby finally uploaded😍
ayo
Oh shit. Are you two dating? Happy for both of you.
gay
as a Thunder fan the first 3 quarters of this video were hard to watch knowing what was going to happen in the end, but the last quarter gives me so much hope that we can maybe pull this thing off!
The OKC and Memphis second round was legendary!
Those were some WARS.
Steve Kerr commentating like he isn’t a reason as to why half of these core don’t have a ring lol
Reviving all of this and seeing the starting 5 at 15:55 gives me nightmares. Thanks Tooforwon! Really tho this is a great video besides all the pain I feel as a pistons fan. Atleast I was alive to see 2004 I guess
Man I was worried you were gonna drop some of the most heat videos and then disappear but you’re back! I won’t doubt you again brother hahah
That trade with the clippers was legendary
The nba should be very thankful okc decided to not tank for wemby and Chet back to back years
Your videos are the best. The combination of nostalgia along with how well you explain how past effects the present and future has me reeled in and hooked ! I love this channel and have been binging your videos for weeks now. Keep up the good work ❤
earned a sub. what a movie
Tooforwon video love to see it
What a great vid fam that was a hell of a watch ❤
Bro you are mad talented fr. I respect the amount of time you put into this vid beats a lot of basketball documentaries out there. Great stuff man appreciate the content you make.
As a pistons fan, this hurts to watch
Two words broke my soul watching this:
Josh Smith
Curse of the Malice at the Palace
Hey I feel you as a lifelong Minnesota fan it’s been 24 years of depression but hey we finally made it somewhere this year and the future is looking bright hope you guys can turn it around and do well in the future also at least you guys have a few championship banners
Cade: "we're not this bad" You're not Cade. The rest of your team, coach, gm, even owner. Yeah, they are
Another banger once again tooforwon ❤️❤️❤️
Love this video as a Thunder fan!! Great compilation and narration. One thing was that Billy D didn’t get fired. He chose to leave OKC and go to the Bulls because he didn’t want to be a part of the rebuild
Such a blessing. Marky D is the man
Ur the goat!!! Love these type of vids
NGL, as a Pistons supporter, I've looked at OkC with envious eyes a few times. Like how many times can yall break down a team and bounce back like Gumby lmao. I can only blame the team for picking Darko, and even that should be forgiven by now. Hayes over Haliburton still kills me, along with giving our coach an offer he couldn't refuse.It's just so many head scratching moments. I've always liked Okc. Hope you guys get one.
The difference is one is drafting with an eye for talent and a developmental plan and the other plans to build their team by luck in hopes of top 5 picks in hopes it plans out. They are not the same.
I like you how talk about sports because it’s like we’re there while it’s happening, even though I know what happens next I still feel like there is anticipation.
the goat is back
Happy to see ya back
12:41 Seeing my 🐐 silence the crowd with that killer jumper makes me laugh and smile😅 Fckin miss you, Kobe🙏🏾
0:50 bro used Bleach ost, valid.
Thanks for putting this together. I didn’t think I’d watch this but this is better content than most NBA channels. You have good ideas, it seems.
Thanks for sharing your great reporting! ❤
I mean this in the best way possible but holy shit is this unlike any other of your videos, It is simply amazing
shortly in already nicely done as always
The mic quality and music was amazing with this video, great improvements 🔥
Thank God! I saw one comment that said otherwise, but I'm happy that you see improvements this time 🔥
1:02:23 the idiot bringing up how many titles OKC ended up with when questioning Sam Presti’s leadership must’ve forgot OKC went through the all-time best teams and players for the past decade 😂craziest gauntlet for a young team. Grit and grind Grizzlies, Kobe, Dirk, Bron, Duncan, Ginobli, Kawahi is a crazy list of HoF players bro just ignored.
This, to me, is the sequel to Secret Base's collapse videos on the Pistons and Thunder
Great content here! Thanks for making this!
I was thinking this morning why there`s only short ones from you. getting little annoyd. And there it is! Thanks. I know i`ll watch this again, bacause english is my second language and these are good.
Amazing video as usually
As a Long time Thunder Fan. well as long as they have been here. There's a lot of old memories I have tied to story.
Hey man. Just wanna say, this is great editing and I really enjoyed this. Im a Wolves fan and I really respect the Thunder. SGA and Company really deserve their flowers for the rebuild
Oiii the mic quality from the first sentence 🔥 as a watcher of all your vids, THANKGAWWWD
Love the new style good video
When the Ford family bought the lions in 1964, they were a storied franchise, and turned the team into the laughingstock of the NFL, and is only now changing their culture
Tom Gores bought the Pistons in 2011, which was also a historic franchise, and has basically run them to the ground. If you’re over the age of 30, you’re probably not gonna see another pistons chip in ur lifetime assuming Gores holds onto the team
Someone has to have the type of love and eye for talent that the Holmes and Presti’s out there do along with draft capital. Lions had that capital and turned it around along with Presti in OKC. Detroit didn’t have any of that. Just money.
Great video THUNDER UP
This was probably your best video hands down.
this is a masterpiece
Booted first round of my fantasy playoffs last night cuz my team was looking like a damn hospital and I ran out of waiver moves. This was nice to wake up to, thanks man
Perfect timing .. bout to smoke a spliff to this one 😁😁
As a Pistons fan, I already know everything there is to know about these guys. GM’s threw money and trades for out one championship and drafted absolutely horribly for the next decade. Then it continued all the way up until Cade. We had no draft capital after the leadership turnover and questionable decisions in recent years. It’s crazy how exactly 20 years since our last championship, we are the total opposite in terms of defense and winning.
Omg thank goodness this channel popped up on my feed
chill with the sound effects nice video
Went to sleep early and now I’m wide awake with 4 hours until work and I can’t go back to sleep! I see twoforwon done post a video finally! This video is so on point right now!✅💯
Aye I know you put a lot of work in on these videos and I have to salute you for it
The Chauncey trade wasn’t the worst because ultimately the run had already ended by that point.
The Blake trade was the worst because it actively set the franchise back. It was like selling your house to take a vacation. And not even a good vacation. Like renting an over priced loft in Ohio for two months and eating frozen pizza every night.
Great doc keep em coming
Bravo 👏🏽
Hate watching this as a pistons fan born in 04
exactly. our only chip in my life time. i was 3 months old haha
how u eveb become a pistons fan like that lol NPC ahh comment
@@zenitsuthunder3946 i didn’t start actually watching until like 2013
@@rqbxrtt i am born 02 and i started watching nba 2010 and hell nah how could u be born 04 and be a pistons fan💀
@@zenitsuthunder3946 because i’m from michigan, i don’t bandwagon other teams except philly. bc my mom from pennsylvania
he has returned with a banger documentary. It’s really important to see two sides of the coin when it comes to rebuild and I think pistons and thunder are just that well done bro.
Great stuff 😢🤯
Love my Thunder. We are so fortunate to have Sam Presti.
And now OKC is the 1st seed in the West trying to make a WCF appearance
Great job man you never fail to entertain!
Wtf is in the background at 5:10??
Why is this nightmare fuel
Here is an insane fact about OKC screwing with the Supersonics before they even existed. Seattle Supersonics were named after the Boeing 2707, which was supposed to be the first supersonic passanger airplane. The plane never entered service as the problems of supersonic passanger flight were realized in operation bongo II also known as the "Oklahoma City sonic boom tetsts". Test done in Oaklahoma City destroyed the thing that the sonics were named after and then almost 50 years later the same city stole the team.
Take the foil off your windows and go outside. One city didn’t want to fund a new arena for their team and the other just voted on it.
@@808bboarder what are you talking about? I didn't incinuate anything I just pointed out a wild coinsidence. You can just look up the origins of the Seattle Supersonics from any offical NBA or Sonics source and bongo II from any offical US source. There is no conspiracy and bongo II and the fact that the Sonics moved have nothing to do with each other and nothing in what i wrote says that there is.
Solid okc fan here since moving seattle to okc in 2008..
you should make a video about the orlando magic rebuild, its feels like theyve been rebuilding for 20 years and finally showing promise now
Seeing KD’s smile when Jeff got drafted with him makes me smile. Im from the same hood; seeing some DMV representation makes me happy.
New vid yaaaaay
Yo.. forget what the haters are talking about. The editing on this video is different, yea… but it’s unique. It’s extremely stylistic. It gets the job done with storytelling. I edit a lot
Of videos, so I know what I’m talking about. #fcp7 #fcpx. I really like how you edited Chris Webber claiming they needed a shot blocker which was the lead in to Serge Ibaka’s break out season. That was genius editing !
Awesome video 241!
Tbh we gotta appreciate the fact that Sam Presti had two superstars to trade and start their rebuild. This doesn't really happen that often. The way Sam Presti navigated the domino effect from those two trades was truly masterful.
This was also a good reminder of how stupid good dirk was, he was unstoppable
It’s crazy to select kd, Russ, and harden consecutively all to not win a ring
very happy to see you back love the content!!
First time seeing your videos. Great storytelling
42 minutes in and I guarantee I finish this. Good doc
Dirk was a killer that year, what a run
Preciate u fam✊🏽
Bro a "celtics rise to fame" for about 2 hours would be such a beautiful vide
45:02. Remember that recent Curry celebration after the game winner against the Suns? Here he is kinda doing it, several years before lol
Best time to be a Thunder fan, worst time to be a Pistons fan.
Remember when I was in these comments a couple years ago repping sga for King 👑..I've been on that since he was at Kentucky..feels good to be right every once and awhile lol
Brother just to start off and get this outta the way you make the best basketball vids on UA-cam imo. What you could still improve are 2 things - consistency of uploading and for this video specifically there were parts in the beginning that were way to low on brightness to see what was happening. Besides those minor things you're Killin it. Been with you from early. Respect sent from Toronto
Came back after the Pistons ending up with the #5 overall pick
WHile OKC has done a good job rebuilding I feel like this isn't a fair comparison. OKC had the assets to really accelerate it where detroit has been trash for a minute.
I agree. Presti definitely has an eye for talent that can’t be denied though. Harden and Westbrook seemed like reaches by experts and Presti knew the fit and upside was more important. That bet turned into big time trades that they’ll reap for years. Meanwhile, Pistons had no fucking capital in the draft at all, because they broke the bank on sorry broken down players.
OK compare Pistons to Rockets. Rockets are on the rise and Pistons are still straight trash. It almost like the Pistons should've picked Jalen Green over Cade Cunningham for one.
@@Bob-te3le One team signed veterans and one didn’t.
Assuming Detroit goes and gets veterans this off season they too will improve. The big difference is Houston’s core guys aren’t primary ball handlers. I mean they had given the ball to Amen instead of FVV they have 10-15 wins too.
Orlando would be the more apt comparison since they are at least doing it with young players.
I think Detroit is the 18-19 Suns. They were trash for four years with Booker before they showed signs of life. Only guys like Luka and Bron can just run a team starting in year two
@@sosmooth13 Harden definitely wasn’t a reach. He made by far the most sense among the available players. (Maybe Steph but no one was looking at Steph like that.)
But 100% on everything else
u could also blame the pistons for tht tho they held on to old players for too long and never traded to get younger and wanted to "compete" by being a 5-8 seed for years like the pacers as a gm u gotta know when its time to actually restart if u want to actually compete and not be mediocre for a decade
Missed you bro, thanks for dropping
Just watched the Kyrie and Ben Simmons ones again, perfect timing for another dope video
Good work on the video