He's TOO self aware is the problem. Zach Lowe recently called Embiid the "tragic hero" of the NBA. Fuck Embiid, that's Durant! I find him very sympathetic: he's insecure, he doesn't know what to do with his career...winning 2 chips in GS didn't seem to satisfy him, and why would it? Hot take: he going to the nuggets.
@@foarfield Here is a hot take, GSW drafts Bronny, get LeGM for pennies and work out a deal for KD. Ultimate oldman super team. The media glaze will be insane, GSW will be in every prime time game.
That was a year ago I guess we can make Inaccurate predictions and wait a year for it to come to fruition lol everyone a twolves Ant-Man super fan dick ridaaa😂@@baconslayerjohnson4668
The man literally said he wasn't trying to be a leader, he just wanted to hoop. That alone automatically disqualified him from the debate. Never in the history of basketball was somebody considered the GOAT who wasn't or didn't want to be the leader of their team on top of the best player.
Russ basically didn't even have to fight to take the okc leadership away from him.... He vanished and went to join a team that already established a phenomenal rebuild. he's one hell of a scorer but if he truly gave no F#cks I know it would've shown in his leadership
well and lets not forget its a lie, fucker had now 2 teams bend over backwards for him to build the team HE wanted and he got it only to when deliver his part of the dealiver "ohh I ama just a hooper see"
He had 3 lanes to cement a TRUE legacy n chose neither. 1. Run it back in OKC and win a title. GS didn’t get better. Cavs didn’t. The lane to a ring was there. 2. Stay in GS become a lifer. Buy into the system and continue the success 3. Remain patient in BK. Had the best big 3 ever. And solidify himself. The east didn’t get any better. Had ways to have a greater legacy. Went 0/3. And the media says NOTHING.
@@foarfield how? We see how the Bucks played out. TO ME Boston got weaker in the paint. They make it to the finals Joker gonna have his way. Time Lord brings a better paint presence than Porzingis who always folds when ya need him. And regardless take away Boston. Who’s a real threat?
@@freezhollywoodit’s whoever in the west vs Boston in the Finals this year. Boston is too much of a wagon with too little competition in their conference.
@@TanoookiMario377 exactly lol the east looks good bc everybody relatively has the same record bc everybody’s mid but Boston lol. BK would’ve Lebron’d the east for a good 3-5.
Kd did all he could in Brooklyn and damn near beat the champion Milwaukee Bucks in 2021 by himself. That team fell apart because Harden left and Kyrie requested a trade
@@jasonwilliamson74 You just explained exactly why we think KD is quite. We look up to guys that turned lemonds into lemonade, not the guys who left as soon as things got hard. KD is nothing but a quitter and so is LeBron. The second things get hard they start throwing fits. Throwning teammates under the buss. Throwing coaches under the bus. Throwing organizations in chaos. Can't consider guys like that good leaders
I remember hearing after he signed with the Warriors he called his agent and went off the rails saying “why did you let me sign here” basically after the backlash.
KD is the NBA‘s middle child… Lebron being the oldest.Basically can do whatever he wants. Curry is the baby who can do no wrong. KD gets ignored by everyone but always gets the harshest criticism What’s crazy while the older child(lebron) and the baby(Curry) was battling for NBA’s favorite child KD jumps in it.
“Kd will deliver a championship in Phoenix.” That would had been the truth if they had at least won the Pacific division during the regular season but they couldn’t do that. Not enough depth
@WesleyWilkins-qf2ky 100% agree. Beal is a good player but not a good fit. Suns need a pg so that book can go back to what he's good at, being a sg. Switching out nurkic also wouldn't hurt.
I see it like this. When KD left OKC for the Warriors, he did that to get as many championships as quickly as possible and as guaranteed as possible. You know what people call that? Ring chasing. He started Ring chasing in his prime, because he was deathly afraid of never winning one and being treated like all the greats that never won a ring. When he left the Warriors he tried to do the same In Brooklyn. As quickly and as guaranteed as possible win as many championships. Ringchasing again. Same with the Suns. KD started Ring chasing in his fucking prime and doesnt undestand how fucking sad that is. I was 100 % certain that KD will never win another championship again before this season and I'm 100 % certain even more after how this season went.
It didnt rob curry’s prime potential curry already won 2 rings without KD and had 2 mvp (1 unanimous and first unanimous mvp in nba history might i add) before KD joined
It didn't rob Curry. Because as great as curry is he became the second best once Kd arrived. So when everyone complains about kd he was still the best on those warrior team. Sure curry won without Kd yet he still wasn't better.
Probably but in that Game 7, the way they were shooting, that's just the worst luck in NBA history. CP3 is just cursed. Has been on multiple superteams, one of the greatest players of all time, can't get it done.
17:09 are ppl gonna ignore the fact that KD probably purposely searched himself on Twitter, saw the title that reads, “KD, would u still drink Scarlett Johansson’s bath water?” Got disgusted and joined the VC anyways to talk trash.
Not really the deal but it's the moment Curry won another Championship without KD which destroyed, not tainted but destroyed KD's legacy. Also won Finals MVP even amplify it.
@@Capb25 i think that was the worst of it all since they somewhat struggled in that series while he still cant do shit.. tho i havent thought he was great since his mvp year
KD just has an incredibly fragile ego and should just stay off of social media, as well as just stop responding to the media entirely. Someone with insecurities as big has his would've been WAY better off staying in OKC with a brother in Westbrook and core team he put his first 8 seasons of his career into than leaving to go make a super team he HIMSELF knew he'd see no end to the criticism of. At this point, I could care less whether or not he's in the GOAT conversation. OKC with him, Westbrook and the rest of them was a DAMN FUN team to watch. Even if they never won a championship, you can NEVER take away what a team like that gives to the game of basketball. An absolute DOG of a PG in Westbrook, scoring machine in KD, a workhorse like Serge Ibaka, nose to the grindstone center in Kendrick Perkins, etc., as well as the brotherhood they forged through those first 8 season and he threw all of that in the garbage for a couple of rings. That's honestly what upsets me the most, personally. If the titles and finals MVPs and whatnot weren't enough for him than nothing will be outside of the bridges that HE burned to get there. He has no one to blame but himself.
Kevin's rings weigh less than a pink 1-pound dumbell. Everyone saw how competitive and even the Cavs/Warriors series was and Kevin tipped the balance to an egregious degreee. He was the best player on the floor but it doesn't take away from him making the softest decision of all time. Thin-skinned, fragile-minded, and I hope he reads this comment and complains about it on some dumb former-nba-player podcast
Best player on the floor? but Curry was getting doubled everytime and LeBron would turn into Hercules to compete against Curry,KD and Klay. KD might've had the best numbers but it wasn't because he was the best player out there lol
That line of "I don't want to be second" is literally the embodiment of Kevin Durant's mentality. He is the No. 2 who wants to be No. 1 and thinks he needs a No. 3 and a No. 4 to overcome whoever is No. 1 whether that be Lebron James or Steph Curry. On the Thunder, he didn't think Serge Ibaka was good enough. On the Warriors, he didn't realize Steph wasn't his sidekick unlike Russell Westbrook. On Brooklyn, he had an opportunity but failed to lead as the No. 1 option. On the Suns, he again had an opportunity but failed to lead as the No. 1 option. LeBron is what Kevin Durant wanted to be. The guy who was No. 1 and who got there with his two sidekicks.
@@Big_talks. Nets being injured was a massive part of it, but also Durant just watching as Kyrie and Harden drifted apart over the COVID thing. He didn't even try to intervene and just kept hooping.
@@Big_talks. I don't get what your point is. My argument is that KD is not the leader, not the No. 1 option, and not the GOAT he thinks he deserves to be and has never risen to that occasion when given that opportunity. To give you an example, Michael Jordan had Dennis Rodman, who is like Kyrie if he was 10 times as rambunctious and way more into partying. Did Jordan throw his hands up and just go "Well, he ain't my issue"? No, he made Rodman respect him and listen to him and shape up when the Bulls needed Rodman to lock in. Jordan rose to the occasion as a leader. Kobe rose to the occasion as a leader. Isiah Thomas, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, you name the all-time great and they made that mental switch when they had to. KD ain't that type of player. People are questioning Steph's leadership right now as well because of the Draymong drama. This isn't a fault of Steph or KD, but it isn't necessarily a strength of theirs either.
He wanted to win on his own tbh. He heard everyone saying he couldn’t win without a super DUPER team like the Warriors and he wanted to create his own legacy
We thank you, KD, for what you brought to the Warrior's Organization. Any of these people complaining would have no problem if you had gone to their team and won. Just remember that you are great! Whether in GS or not.
@@jaycasado5029 Well, yes... I guess I should have been more specific - Should have said that the decision to leave the GSW itself was not a cursed move but his choices on how and when to leave and where to go and with whom to team up really backfired... I mean his entire tenure at Nets looked like somebody literally actually has cursed it.... and most of it was not even entirely his fault, so...
@@adrama8982 part of the goat debate is the general perception the public has of you. You can't just let your work speak for itself. 80% actual skill 10% accolades 10 % PR
KD going to the Warriors was the devil promising you. You will be regarded as one of the top 5 players ever,because you will have the rings to solidify your spot. Worst move ever. KDs soul has been tortured every since! Young men. Please don't follow in his footsteps....
The fact of the matter is, they were 1 game away from a crack at the championship. They could've been the rival to the Warriors dynasty. But nope. KD was too weak to choose that path.
Aye now I’m so glad somebody knows exactly what really happened in that series. Kd knew if they beat the warriors and probably win the championship he would’ve had to resign with okc and be stuck there. Even in that game 7 against the warriors I literally watched Kd give up in the second half and it was only Westbrook who was really out there trying which obviously wasn’t enough
Horace was only the first 3 and Kerr/ kukoc was the last 3 titles. Also Scottie averaged 13 pts during their first finals together. I’m not saying Scottie wasn’t a factor, every Batman’s needs a robin but let’s not pretend Mike didn’t push those teams over the top to greatness
Nah. By the time Kevin Durant gets inducted into the hall of fame, everyone will agree that the weakest decision KD ever made was leaving the Warriors because he couldn't stomach being the greatest heel in NBA history. He could've been a part of the most dominant NBA dynasty ever, and crushed more dreams than MJ, had he not allowed himself to become convinced he had to win in a certain way in order to meet the outdated standards of the previous generation.
All the members of the modern free agent super teams have kinda hurt their legacy in some way or other. Wade was on a trajectory to being up there comparable to Kobe but teaming up with Bron swiftly put an end to that. You rarely even hear people talking about Wade as one of the all time players at all. Bosh went from a top 10 in mvp voting franchise guy to a spot up shooter, one of the weakest resumes for hall of famer ever. Even Lebron despite getting his two championships his legacy would have absolutely been discredited if it wasn't for the Cleveland championship. The choke job against Dallas will forever be cited against him, and one of the two Miami championships required a pretty miraculous sequence of events in the last second ending in the iconic Ray Allen shot to save the entire stint from being a complete disaster. Steph-Klay-Draymond saved their legacy by winning the championships before and after KD, but KD will forever be questioned unless he leads a team to another championship but that seems incredibly unlikely at this stage. If he had stayed at OKC even without a ring I think people would rank his career higher than they do now.
It’s interesting to see the outrage at Kevin Durant leaving okc as a huge deal. As someone who’s coming in as a soccer fan, this kinda stuff happens all the time. I don’t see it as that bad that he’s leaving a team he was loyal to compete for rings.
Ibrahimovic is a player known for bouncing around teams and is still a respected legend despite never winning the ucl or ring equivalent. Calling the KD trade a “deal with the devil” is insane
Yes because it’s a part of soccer. An individual has very little influence on team success, Kylian Mbappe or Erling can’t lead middling teams to great success by themselves. NBA superstars can and are expected to do so
Even if he didn't went to the warriors he still wouldn't be in the conversation, Birds better than him but no one's mentioning Bird in any GOAT conversation.
KD have played with almost every former superstar mvp a potential MVP and every superstar......no matter how many angles you view it from you can't deny that he's game looks so smooth and unstoppable.....but this ain't a game about stats or 1v1 but basketball ain't a 1v 1 it's a team game.....and every superstar ain't chef Curry.....30 won a ring with and without him and people still say 30 needed KD to win to this day.....but I don't see KD wining a ring without 30.......if he stayed with 30 I'm sure they will have 3+ more rings together
its sad to see how his career goes downhill from a one stupid move. He was in convo with Lebron Freaking James now he is not even in convo with steph. And in few years I am 80% sure Giannis and Joker will be ahead him in the top player convo. Harden/Westbrook/PG career have much more meaning then his career. No one and i mean it when i say no one gives a shit about his 2 chapionship anymore in upcoming years when he will be retired. Dinwiddie said it perfectly if you are not in the top 10 convo no one gonna talk about you. All others are just competing for legacy/era defining players.
Tbh he was never in the conversation with Lebron. Jokic is already ahead of him, b2b MVPs and a championship on a non super team. Giannis too, b2b MVPs, non super team championship and a DPOY.
Harden/Westbrick/PG careers' not close. Harden only one remotely close. Let's not forget Harden and PG also went ring chasing, and failed. I have no idea what you're talking about besides Jokic and Giannis being probably higher up in a few years.
I’d say is that what can be true for him in 2016 doesn’t have to be true for him in 2024. I think that the achilles injury is overlooked on how it may have effected him and how he views his legacy. That’s probably the first time he saw his basketball mortality. I think when something like that happens to an athlete at that level you can’t help but ask yourself new questions
As a Cavs fan,🐍 joining the warriors was infuriating. The day he signed it was obvious our chances of being a dynasty were greatly reduced. The lamest player decision in NBA history.
Lol. Why are we listening to Perkins who needed a super team and Kevin Durant! And Paul Pierce who needed the same superteam to win their rings about a guy they all discount because he needed a superteam to win? LeBron needed 3 super teams to win his 4 rings.
If you look at Dirk Nowitzki in the 40 thieves. Dirk is the only one to ever win a championship without other superstars on the team. Jason kid was already on his downs slide and a terrible three-point shooter.
Listen to all these so-called sports reporters and analysts don't know s*** about nothing this is why I don't watch these sports shows they know much sports as the average fan
KD has an ego problem, he’s always wanted to be the best guy in the room, the coolest guy around, he’s accomplished everything you could possibly imagine as a basketball player but it’s just not enough for him cuz he’s not #1, whether that’s in the goat debate, team hierarchy, or even when he got drafted he never has and maybe never will be #1 and from a competitive perspective I can respect him wanting to be the best but he needs to learn to accept who he is, he may not be #1 but he’s accomplished amazing things, he’s made it to the league and he’s one of the best players in the league, he has rings, he has an mvp, he has wealth beyond his wildest dreams but that’s not enough for him and it makes him miserable
Serious question though. Why are people always so high on KD? He’s done nothing outside of win 2 rings on the greatest superteam of all time and a single MVP.
Have you watched him play basketball? He is one of the greatest players of all time. Top 30, easily. You could argue he is the greatest scorer of all time, and I'm saying that because MJ couldn't shoot threes well. When you measure a player by his team accolades you venture into dumb-dumb land. If he stayed in Oakland he might have 6 rings. What would his "legacy" be then? Edit: 4x Scoring Champ
@@vee2927 No. Kyrie while being one of the most impressive offensive forces ever has not played enough/not been good enough/ to be compared to Durant. If you split Durant's career into two right now those two parts each would arguably be better than Kyrie's whole.
I can see that. The argument CAN be made that KD made a deal with the devil. And in 2019, the devil came to collect. And he's NEVER sniffed another championship ever since. You got exactly what you asked for. Funny they should mention how the Timberwolves "snatched their souls" 😂
Here's a question to consider though: What would happen if OKC wins a championship before KD ever gets the chance to come back? OKC has been rebuilding since KD and Russ left and with all those draft picks, there's a high chance that OKC doesn't need KD anymore.
The moment he signed with the Warriors is the time where he sold his soul to the basketball gods. After getting two fraudulent rings, they struck him hard, diminishing his career.
till this day i never understood why it was so big of a deal it was for lebron and kd leaving because it just what fa is designed to do they upheld there contract and left
I still feel like if Harden doesn’t get traded we not having these conversations. KD is still someone I love to watch play but his career has just gone wrong cause he can’t stop listening to criticism and saying contradictory things. Just sad at this point because he’s 35 I’m not expecting him to be any better than he’s already been.
At the end of the day, Kevin Durant made the right decision. He's won championships, he's got Finals MVP twice, and he's a future Hall of famer. If you were a player of his caliber to have a chance to win multiple championships with an established roster and you were going to get paid more money, you would have all taken it a heartbeat.
He was a hall of famer regardless. He saw the easy way and he took it. But all you here to this day is Lebron is the one making super teams. No the team was super when Lebron got there. Facts
@@buckisz Let me tell you this, there is no easy way in sports. He went to a favorable place and the system that could greatly compliment his talents. Teams and players will do everything that they can to win a championship or generate a profit in spite of the fans. It's just the nature of the sport.
@@buckisznah all you mfs do is judge players and bring up rings every single time which is getting really old and plus it’s a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT not individual. As an individual player KD is literally one of the all time greatest and that’s just facts
It’s over for KD. I think with the young guys coming in teams are not willing to gamble of these old allstars. They’ve seen what he did to Brooklyn…they’ve what he’s doing in Phoenix. Shoulda stayed with the warriors if he wasn’t gonna be a leader!
I think the pressure got to em when the media was talkin bout em in Golden state. If you remember the media especially Stephen a were saying what can KD without GS down playing the fact that lebron was losing to the Dubs
Honestly if you watch that last game in OKC. Its like he gave up. He missed a lot of shots. He was already mentally done with OKC. I rewatched that game multiple times those misses werent like him
Kevin Durant is the embodiment of everything wrong in today's NBA. No loyalty to their teams, wanting to do the minimum for a max deal, ring chasing, no defense playing, overindulged, coddled, overpaid, think they're GOD, talk about it without being about it diva's. The true MAN'S NBA died after the 90's
They act like LeBron left Miami for a team like he had before Miami. He went and takes up with Kyrie and Kevin Love. Then sniped players from NY and elsewhere. He's always played on stacked teams. Other than his first year in LA he hasn't had a subpar roster since his original Cleveland days
regardless of the nonsense that Kevin Durant haters write here, for three years Durant was the best player of GSW and without him they would not have won two championships. The 73-9 team showed all its misery in the playoffs and barely crawled to the finals, where it failed despite a 3-1 lead because it lacked a player like Durant.
Everyone hates on paul pierce but he won a championship with doc rivers as his coach. If that doesn't put u in the goat conversation I don't know what does.
Durant: "What haven't I done?".
Everyone with a working pair of eyes and ears: "Be self aware.".
And also stop trying to be a victim kd
@@engidohaile201 that wiill never happen
Also has never been in the DPOY race
He's TOO self aware is the problem. Zach Lowe recently called Embiid the "tragic hero" of the NBA. Fuck Embiid, that's Durant! I find him very sympathetic: he's insecure, he doesn't know what to do with his career...winning 2 chips in GS didn't seem to satisfy him, and why would it? Hot take: he going to the nuggets.
@@foarfield Here is a hot take, GSW drafts Bronny, get LeGM for pennies and work out a deal for KD. Ultimate oldman super team. The media glaze will be insane, GSW will be in every prime time game.
They got KD but we got Jaden McDaniels
My favorite quote of all time
That was a year ago I guess we can make Inaccurate predictions and wait a year for it to come to fruition lol everyone a twolves Ant-Man super fan dick ridaaa😂@@baconslayerjohnson4668
Bro was so serious too 😂👀
I love how much confidence he has in his teammate to make a statement like that.
Also helps when MJ's son is your teammate.
The man literally said he wasn't trying to be a leader, he just wanted to hoop.
That alone automatically disqualified him from the debate.
Never in the history of basketball was somebody considered the GOAT who wasn't or didn't want to be the leader of their team on top of the best player.
Russ basically didn't even have to fight to take the okc leadership away from him.... He vanished and went to join a team that already established a phenomenal rebuild. he's one hell of a scorer but if he truly gave no F#cks I know it would've shown in his leadership
That's Like saying someone can't be good at a game because they just want to play instead of talking to people on a game
@@SpicyLoaf-uw1hp your comparison is absolutely ridiculous and doesn't work at all. Nice try trying to defend that bs though.
well and lets not forget its a lie, fucker had now 2 teams bend over backwards for him to build the team HE wanted and he got it only to when deliver his part of the dealiver "ohh I ama just a hooper see"
He had 3 lanes to cement a TRUE legacy n chose neither.
1. Run it back in OKC and win a title. GS didn’t get better. Cavs didn’t. The lane to a ring was there.
2. Stay in GS become a lifer. Buy into the system and continue the success
3. Remain patient in BK. Had the best big 3 ever. And solidify himself. The east didn’t get any better.
Had ways to have a greater legacy. Went 0/3. And the media says NOTHING.
The east got a lot better.
@@foarfield how? We see how the Bucks played out. TO ME Boston got weaker in the paint. They make it to the finals Joker gonna have his way. Time Lord brings a better paint presence than Porzingis who always folds when ya need him. And regardless take away Boston. Who’s a real threat?
@@freezhollywoodit’s whoever in the west vs Boston in the Finals this year. Boston is too much of a wagon with too little competition in their conference.
@@freezhollywoodand I’m a wizards fan 😭
@@TanoookiMario377 exactly lol the east looks good bc everybody relatively has the same record bc everybody’s mid but Boston lol. BK would’ve Lebron’d the east for a good 3-5.
His legacy would still be salvageable if he had stayed in Brooklyn and BUILT himself up as a leader. But KD has zero back bone or follow through so
Kd did all he could in Brooklyn and damn near beat the champion Milwaukee Bucks in 2021 by himself. That team fell apart because Harden left and Kyrie requested a trade
@@jasonwilliamson74Its exactly in circumstances like that you step up as the leader and prove the haters wrong.
@@jasonwilliamson74 You just explained exactly why we think KD is quite. We look up to guys that turned lemonds into lemonade, not the guys who left as soon as things got hard. KD is nothing but a quitter and so is LeBron. The second things get hard they start throwing fits. Throwning teammates under the buss. Throwing coaches under the bus. Throwing organizations in chaos. Can't consider guys like that good leaders
@@carboy101Lebron at least brought a ring to all 3 cities that he played in. KD brought a ring to just 1 of the 4 he’s played in.
That “what haven’t I done?“ is the equivalent of someone posting a picture of themselves with a paper reading “Roast Me”
KD - “What haven’t I done?”
Everyone - “Be happy.”
Be a Leader
@@arturzinurov2146imagine looking back on someone’s career and care about if he’s a leader or not
@@jettshilling1472boring if it not such a big deal why are you so pissy about what I said you npc
I remember hearing after he signed with the Warriors he called his agent and went off the rails saying “why did you let me sign here” basically after the backlash.
This guys fragility will always haunt him. He will never go down as anything other than a guy who joined the warriors for two cheap rings.
it will always haunt him but hes still one of the greatest players to ever play
@@kendrickpfaff4805 greatest scorers. Not player.
@@ExecutionerHopkins if lebron didn’t exist Kd would have dominated the 2010s and been no doubt a conensus top 10 player oat.
@@ExecutionerHopkinsyou’re in denial
KD is the NBA‘s middle child…
Lebron being the oldest.Basically can do whatever he wants.
Curry is the baby who can do no wrong.
KD gets ignored by everyone but always gets the harshest criticism
What’s crazy while the older child(lebron) and the baby(Curry) was battling for NBA’s favorite child KD jumps in it.
“Kd will deliver a championship in Phoenix.” That would had been the truth if they had at least won the Pacific division during the regular season but they couldn’t do that. Not enough depth
Where's Beal fault and booker fault. The 2 players that was guarding Edward's
@fespn4734 Didn’t blame kd or any of the players. I blame the front office for getting Bradley and not having a bench.
KD will never be that leader.. he is just another gun for hire.
@WesleyWilkins-qf2ky 100% agree. Beal is a good player but not a good fit. Suns need a pg so that book can go back to what he's good at, being a sg. Switching out nurkic also wouldn't hurt.
So crazy we was a big toe away of never having this conversation
truly crazy
I see it like this. When KD left OKC for the Warriors, he did that to get as many championships as quickly as possible and as guaranteed as possible. You know what people call that? Ring chasing. He started Ring chasing in his prime, because he was deathly afraid of never winning one and being treated like all the greats that never won a ring. When he left the Warriors he tried to do the same In Brooklyn. As quickly and as guaranteed as possible win as many championships. Ringchasing again. Same with the Suns. KD started Ring chasing in his fucking prime and doesnt undestand how fucking sad that is. I was 100 % certain that KD will never win another championship again before this season and I'm 100 % certain even more after how this season went.
Not only did the Warriors move diminish Durant accomplishments but I think it also robbed us of seeing what Curry was truly capable of in his prime
We at least seen a glimpse his Unanimous year when he was sitting out 4th Qrts cause the game was over in the 3rd
It didnt rob curry’s prime potential curry already won 2 rings without KD and had 2 mvp (1 unanimous and first unanimous mvp in nba history might i add) before KD joined
It didn't rob Curry. Because as great as curry is he became the second best once Kd arrived. So when everyone complains about kd he was still the best on those warrior team. Sure curry won without Kd yet he still wasn't better.
@@jasonnelson6624kd is a looser. Only scores. Don't do anything else. He's a tall Malik monk.
You got two championships. Calm down....
That move also ruined Chris Paul’s and Hardens careers, they would’ve definitely got at least 1 ring
Probably but in that Game 7, the way they were shooting, that's just the worst luck in NBA history. CP3 is just cursed. Has been on multiple superteams, one of the greatest players of all time, can't get it done.
they ruined themselves in game 7 fym dawg 😂
17:09 are ppl gonna ignore the fact that KD probably purposely searched himself on Twitter, saw the title that reads, “KD, would u still drink Scarlett Johansson’s bath water?” Got disgusted and joined the VC anyways to talk trash.
Not really the deal but it's the moment Curry won another Championship without KD which destroyed, not tainted but destroyed KD's legacy. Also won Finals MVP even amplify it.
And funnily enough that one NBA Finals Curry and the Warriors won without KD is the one that matters the most
@@bobbobson8087 also won finals MVP which took KD's legacy which was already destroyed and shattered it to even more pieces
@@bobbobson8087 they beat the team that swept his team to add insult to injury
@@Capb25 i think that was the worst of it all since they somewhat struggled in that series while he still cant do shit.. tho i havent thought he was great since his mvp year
Draymond was right in that argument in the timeout in 2018, they didn’t need him
KD just has an incredibly fragile ego and should just stay off of social media, as well as just stop responding to the media entirely. Someone with insecurities as big has his would've been WAY better off staying in OKC with a brother in Westbrook and core team he put his first 8 seasons of his career into than leaving to go make a super team he HIMSELF knew he'd see no end to the criticism of. At this point, I could care less whether or not he's in the GOAT conversation. OKC with him, Westbrook and the rest of them was a DAMN FUN team to watch. Even if they never won a championship, you can NEVER take away what a team like that gives to the game of basketball. An absolute DOG of a PG in Westbrook, scoring machine in KD, a workhorse like Serge Ibaka, nose to the grindstone center in Kendrick Perkins, etc., as well as the brotherhood they forged through those first 8 season and he threw all of that in the garbage for a couple of rings. That's honestly what upsets me the most, personally. If the titles and finals MVPs and whatnot weren't enough for him than nothing will be outside of the bridges that HE burned to get there. He has no one to blame but himself.
Kevin's rings weigh less than a pink 1-pound dumbell. Everyone saw how competitive and even the Cavs/Warriors series was and Kevin tipped the balance to an egregious degreee. He was the best player on the floor but it doesn't take away from him making the softest decision of all time. Thin-skinned, fragile-minded, and I hope he reads this comment and complains about it on some dumb former-nba-player podcast
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Best player on the floor? but Curry was getting doubled everytime and LeBron would turn into Hercules to compete against Curry,KD and Klay. KD might've had the best numbers but it wasn't because he was the best player out there lol
@@Rene-y3k Curry was by far the most dangerous I agree with you. Easy for Kevin swoop in and score all the points.
Fax
@@Rene-y3khe didn’t even have the best numbers tho LeBron avg 30pt triple double
The clip of Carmelo trying to discredit rings is ironically hilarious
That line of "I don't want to be second" is literally the embodiment of Kevin Durant's mentality. He is the No. 2 who wants to be No. 1 and thinks he needs a No. 3 and a No. 4 to overcome whoever is No. 1 whether that be Lebron James or Steph Curry. On the Thunder, he didn't think Serge Ibaka was good enough. On the Warriors, he didn't realize Steph wasn't his sidekick unlike Russell Westbrook. On Brooklyn, he had an opportunity but failed to lead as the No. 1 option. On the Suns, he again had an opportunity but failed to lead as the No. 1 option.
LeBron is what Kevin Durant wanted to be. The guy who was No. 1 and who got there with his two sidekicks.
Brooklyn was injured but every other place agreed
@@Big_talks. Nets being injured was a massive part of it, but also Durant just watching as Kyrie and Harden drifted apart over the COVID thing. He didn't even try to intervene and just kept hooping.
@@zettour. bro at the same time he’s not they owner, these guys are grown ass men lol
@@Big_talks. I don't get what your point is. My argument is that KD is not the leader, not the No. 1 option, and not the GOAT he thinks he deserves to be and has never risen to that occasion when given that opportunity.
To give you an example, Michael Jordan had Dennis Rodman, who is like Kyrie if he was 10 times as rambunctious and way more into partying. Did Jordan throw his hands up and just go "Well, he ain't my issue"? No, he made Rodman respect him and listen to him and shape up when the Bulls needed Rodman to lock in. Jordan rose to the occasion as a leader. Kobe rose to the occasion as a leader. Isiah Thomas, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, you name the all-time great and they made that mental switch when they had to.
KD ain't that type of player. People are questioning Steph's leadership right now as well because of the Draymong drama. This isn't a fault of Steph or KD, but it isn't necessarily a strength of theirs either.
@@zettour. 😂😂😂 dude so should Durant and Steph starting punching those teammates and cussing them out
Nah I think leaving the warriors was the cursed move
warriors fans are so odd bro😭
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I am not a Warriors fan though
He wanted to win on his own tbh. He heard everyone saying he couldn’t win without a super DUPER team like the Warriors and he wanted to create his own legacy
We thank you, KD, for what you brought to the Warrior's Organization. Any of these people complaining would have no problem if you had gone to their team and won. Just remember that you are great! Whether in GS or not.
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Well, yes... I guess I should have been more specific - Should have said that the decision to leave the GSW itself was not a cursed move but his choices on how and when to leave and where to go and with whom to team up really backfired...
I mean his entire tenure at Nets looked like somebody literally actually has cursed it.... and most of it was not even entirely his fault, so...
That’s a damn good video right there Mr tooforwon
I never thought KD was better than Bron at any point in time I didn't even like Bron until 2018 and still knew Bron was better
Nobody thought he was better haters of LeBron just said that for the most part
Personality is why Steph is by far better than Durant
Bro what😂. Basketball determines if ur better. Not if u like them or not.
I don’t think so. They both need each other and look what happened after 2019.
@@adrama8982 part of the goat debate is the general perception the public has of you. You can't just let your work speak for itself. 80% actual skill 10% accolades 10 % PR
KD going to the Warriors was the devil promising you. You will be regarded as one of the top 5 players ever,because you will have the rings to solidify your spot. Worst move ever. KDs soul has been tortured every since! Young men. Please don't follow in his footsteps....
Kd could have came to the Knicks and ended up a legend like magic but nooooo ended up taking the easy rode twice.
Very high quality content man, keep it up
in all honesty KDs legacy would been better off had he stayed in OKC even if he never won a championship
The fact of the matter is, they were 1 game away from a crack at the championship. They could've been the rival to the Warriors dynasty. But nope. KD was too weak to choose that path.
Yup. KD and the recent OKC team coulda been cookin something as of late
Depends on who they have drafted through the years
i have watched you for a year now and i can't see why you are not more popular, the vids are great and your commentary is funny and informative????
"Again, it's a shame that I have to quote Paul Pierce here" 😆
KD took his foot off gas up 3-1 against GS just because he wanted to join them. He's a bum
Aye now I’m so glad somebody knows exactly what really happened in that series. Kd knew if they beat the warriors and probably win the championship he would’ve had to resign with okc and be stuck there. Even in that game 7 against the warriors I literally watched Kd give up in the second half and it was only Westbrook who was really out there trying which obviously wasn’t enough
@@Nationof300 Yep, I remember seeing Westbrook running around desperately trying to make a play while KD literally stood in one spot lol
Curry being lower than kd…is so disrespectful
good deep dive with footage to tell the story. love the channel man
Quick reminder that Jordan played with pippen for his 6 rings. Along with Dennis Rodman and Horace grant. And Steve Kerr and Toni Kukoc
Horace was only the first 3 and Kerr/ kukoc was the last 3 titles. Also Scottie averaged 13 pts during their first finals together. I’m not saying Scottie wasn’t a factor, every Batman’s needs a robin but let’s not pretend Mike didn’t push those teams over the top to greatness
@@claudineg6870pfft good one
Imagine in a alternate universe where KD stayed with the Thunder and imagine that team now with the young guys
Their current players wouldn't be on the team had he stayed. Him leaving is the Domino effect that triggered this rebuild to begin with.
Nah. By the time Kevin Durant gets inducted into the hall of fame, everyone will agree that the weakest decision KD ever made was leaving the Warriors because he couldn't stomach being the greatest heel in NBA history. He could've been a part of the most dominant NBA dynasty ever, and crushed more dreams than MJ, had he not allowed himself to become convinced he had to win in a certain way in order to meet the outdated standards of the previous generation.
Finally please make a hour long video
5:30 KD doesnt even brush his beard
LeBron still didn’t win on his own in Cleveland he needed Kyrie too
All the members of the modern free agent super teams have kinda hurt their legacy in some way or other. Wade was on a trajectory to being up there comparable to Kobe but teaming up with Bron swiftly put an end to that. You rarely even hear people talking about Wade as one of the all time players at all. Bosh went from a top 10 in mvp voting franchise guy to a spot up shooter, one of the weakest resumes for hall of famer ever. Even Lebron despite getting his two championships his legacy would have absolutely been discredited if it wasn't for the Cleveland championship. The choke job against Dallas will forever be cited against him, and one of the two Miami championships required a pretty miraculous sequence of events in the last second ending in the iconic Ray Allen shot to save the entire stint from being a complete disaster. Steph-Klay-Draymond saved their legacy by winning the championships before and after KD, but KD will forever be questioned unless he leads a team to another championship but that seems incredibly unlikely at this stage. If he had stayed at OKC even without a ring I think people would rank his career higher than they do now.
They didn't wanna burn his jerseys, they did burn his jerseys. 😂😂
We don’t want him back in OKC, he would just fuck it up
The best NBA content on UA-cam , by far.
It’s interesting to see the outrage at Kevin Durant leaving okc as a huge deal. As someone who’s coming in as a soccer fan, this kinda stuff happens all the time. I don’t see it as that bad that he’s leaving a team he was loyal to compete for rings.
Ibrahimovic is a player known for bouncing around teams and is still a respected legend despite never winning the ucl or ring equivalent. Calling the KD trade a “deal with the devil” is insane
Yes because it’s a part of soccer. An individual has very little influence on team success, Kylian Mbappe or Erling can’t lead middling teams to great success by themselves. NBA superstars can and are expected to do so
Even if he didn't went to the warriors he still wouldn't be in the conversation, Birds better than him but no one's mentioning Bird in any GOAT conversation.
KD have played with almost every former superstar mvp a potential MVP and every superstar......no matter how many angles you view it from you can't deny that he's game looks so smooth and unstoppable.....but this ain't a game about stats or 1v1 but basketball ain't a 1v 1 it's a team game.....and every superstar ain't chef Curry.....30 won a ring with and without him and people still say 30 needed KD to win to this day.....but I don't see KD wining a ring without 30.......if he stayed with 30 I'm sure they will have 3+ more rings together
Y'know.... watching this ( amazing video btw ! ) I can't help but notice how EXTREMELY back and forth Kendrick Perkins is
We got Jaden mcdaniels
But kd outplayed bro in that series tho 😭 its just kd team sucks and jalen team was better
Bruh you a savage on twitter lol i finally started following you and am like God damn no mercy from this man
its sad to see how his career goes downhill from a one stupid move. He was in convo with Lebron Freaking James now he is not even in convo with steph. And in few years I am 80% sure Giannis and Joker will be ahead him in the top player convo.
Harden/Westbrook/PG career have much more meaning then his career. No one and i mean it when i say no one gives a shit about his 2 chapionship anymore in upcoming years when he will be retired.
Dinwiddie said it perfectly if you are not in the top 10 convo no one gonna talk about you. All others are just competing for legacy/era defining players.
Tbh he was never in the conversation with Lebron. Jokic is already ahead of him, b2b MVPs and a championship on a non super team. Giannis too, b2b MVPs, non super team championship and a DPOY.
Harden/Westbrick/PG careers' not close. Harden only one remotely close. Let's not forget Harden and PG also went ring chasing, and failed. I have no idea what you're talking about besides Jokic and Giannis being probably higher up in a few years.
Jokic already is ahead of him and Giannis is about equal..
This video was needed
I’d say is that what can be true for him in 2016 doesn’t have to be true for him in 2024. I think that the achilles injury is overlooked on how it may have effected him and how he views his legacy. That’s probably the first time he saw his basketball mortality. I think when something like that happens to an athlete at that level you can’t help but ask yourself new questions
Great fucking point, you know what- I think thats exactly the case
Did he just said Devin Durant? HAHAHA @ 3:26
Melo speaking about Ring culture is hilarious. He has lot to say, whilst having just few to share off his experience. LMAO
Didn’t KD have a commercial about him dealing with being number 2? Its seemed to vanish
Did all this for 2 rings that a lot of people don’t even value fully. Not every ring is created equal.
As a Cavs fan,🐍 joining the warriors was infuriating. The day he signed it was obvious our chances of being a dynasty were greatly reduced. The lamest player decision in NBA history.
“Those are some big shoes to live up to” 😂
Lol. Why are we listening to Perkins who needed a super team and Kevin Durant! And Paul Pierce who needed the same superteam to win their rings about a guy they all discount because he needed a superteam to win?
LeBron needed 3 super teams to win his 4 rings.
If you look at Dirk Nowitzki in the 40 thieves. Dirk is the only one to ever win a championship without other superstars on the team. Jason kid was already on his downs slide and a terrible three-point shooter.
Listen to all these so-called sports reporters and analysts don't know s*** about nothing this is why I don't watch these sports shows they know much sports as the average fan
KD has an ego problem, he’s always wanted to be the best guy in the room, the coolest guy around, he’s accomplished everything you could possibly imagine as a basketball player but it’s just not enough for him cuz he’s not #1, whether that’s in the goat debate, team hierarchy, or even when he got drafted he never has and maybe never will be #1 and from a competitive perspective I can respect him wanting to be the best but he needs to learn to accept who he is, he may not be #1 but he’s accomplished amazing things, he’s made it to the league and he’s one of the best players in the league, he has rings, he has an mvp, he has wealth beyond his wildest dreams but that’s not enough for him and it makes him miserable
Kevin would love to go the 1st seed OKC 😂
We gotta stop letting Quan take ketamine before recording videos
If he went back to okc he would again be going to a number 1 team. Now how many times is he going to do that? Just saying.
Why would OKC even want him back?
what was the song called playing at 5:06 to 5:30
Serious question though. Why are people always so high on KD? He’s done nothing outside of win 2 rings on the greatest superteam of all time and a single MVP.
Have you watched him play basketball? He is one of the greatest players of all time. Top 30, easily. You could argue he is the greatest scorer of all time, and I'm saying that because MJ couldn't shoot threes well. When you measure a player by his team accolades you venture into dumb-dumb land. If he stayed in Oakland he might have 6 rings. What would his "legacy" be then?
Edit: 4x Scoring Champ
Don’t ever speak on basketball ever again 😭😂😂😂😂
Same reason people love Kyrie. If we judge just based on their game, there are not many better.
@@foarfield MJ has more than X2 his scoring titles and you put him in the same sentence with KD. 🤡 "dO yOu eVen WaTch basKetbAll?
@@vee2927 No. Kyrie while being one of the most impressive offensive forces ever has not played enough/not been good enough/ to be compared to Durant. If you split Durant's career into two right now those two parts each would arguably be better than Kyrie's whole.
been trying to figure out what this guy’s accent is for like ten minutes ngl
18:10 if I was kd I would’ve just been like ooooh Ite
This type of video KD sees he cries himself to sleep at night
I still remember Peyton Manning roasting KD at the Espys that one time
I can see that. The argument CAN be made that KD made a deal with the devil. And in 2019, the devil came to collect. And he's NEVER sniffed another championship ever since. You got exactly what you asked for. Funny they should mention how the Timberwolves "snatched their souls" 😂
🇫🇷Dope video! Merci
KD soft. Doesn’t deserve to be in the convo. TMac is more qualified than KD.
This needs to be longer
Imagine if that thunder team never seperated man. Anyways good video tho man
Here's a question to consider though: What would happen if OKC wins a championship before KD ever gets the chance to come back? OKC has been rebuilding since KD and Russ left and with all those draft picks, there's a high chance that OKC doesn't need KD anymore.
The good thing for him is that he doesn't have to worry about coming second in goat rankings. He's nowhere close to second
Pierce saying he’s better than wade isn’t ridiculous to say
The moment he signed with the Warriors is the time where he sold his soul to the basketball gods. After getting two fraudulent rings, they struck him hard, diminishing his career.
Durant has to be the most insecure athlete I've ever seen in my life 😂
I kinda feel bad for KD after he left Golden State
Karma tbh
Soft ahh
@@idontusecolgate that's a very big karma time for him, maybe too much tbh I love to watch kd play...
I don’t. Bro took the easy way out instead of scratching and clawing to get to the promised land.
Never feel bad for a man who owns a boat 🚢 and never feel bad 😞😔 for a millionaire.
KD going back to OKC to win a championship now would mean as much as when LeBum went back to Cleveland to win.... nothing.
till this day i never understood why it was so big of a deal it was for lebron and kd leaving because it just what fa is designed to do they upheld there contract and left
I still feel like if Harden doesn’t get traded we not having these conversations. KD is still someone I love to watch play but his career has just gone wrong cause he can’t stop listening to criticism and saying contradictory things. Just sad at this point because he’s 35 I’m not expecting him to be any better than he’s already been.
At the end of the day, Kevin Durant made the right decision. He's won championships, he's got Finals MVP twice, and he's a future Hall of famer. If you were a player of his caliber to have a chance to win multiple championships with an established roster and you were going to get paid more money, you would have all taken it a heartbeat.
Warrior fan detected
@@ImadogGarcia I'm a Spurs fan.
He was a hall of famer regardless. He saw the easy way and he took it. But all you here to this day is Lebron is the one making super teams. No the team was super when Lebron got there. Facts
@@buckisz Let me tell you this, there is no easy way in sports. He went to a favorable place and the system that could greatly compliment his talents. Teams and players will do everything that they can to win a championship or generate a profit in spite of the fans. It's just the nature of the sport.
@@buckisznah all you mfs do is judge players and bring up rings every single time which is getting really old and plus it’s a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT not individual. As an individual player KD is literally one of the all time greatest and that’s just facts
“I get it KD has to deal with Harden” last I checked Harden was the best player on that team 😂
It’s over for KD. I think with the young guys coming in teams are not willing to gamble of these old allstars. They’ve seen what he did to Brooklyn…they’ve what he’s doing in Phoenix. Shoulda stayed with the warriors if he wasn’t gonna be a leader!
I think the pressure got to em when the media was talkin bout em in Golden state. If you remember the media especially Stephen a were saying what can KD without GS down playing the fact that lebron was losing to the Dubs
At the very least, organizations will get a backbone and not let players run the team
KD's house of cards is crumbling all around him.
i knew it.. tooforwon has the voice of the devil 👹
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KD getting compared to LeBron in his own video 😂😂😂
they got 3 iso stars, what would you expect other than the nets "big 3" repeat disaster
Honestly if you watch that last game in OKC. Its like he gave up. He missed a lot of shots. He was already mentally done with OKC. I rewatched that game multiple times those misses werent like him
Kevin Durant is the embodiment of everything wrong in today's NBA. No loyalty to their teams, wanting to do the minimum for a max deal, ring chasing, no defense playing, overindulged, coddled, overpaid, think they're GOD, talk about it without being about it diva's. The true MAN'S NBA died after the 90's
They act like LeBron left Miami for a team like he had before Miami. He went and takes up with Kyrie and Kevin Love. Then sniped players from NY and elsewhere. He's always played on stacked teams. Other than his first year in LA he hasn't had a subpar roster since his original Cleveland days
Redick talked his way out of the booth. He's aggressively stupid.
regardless of the nonsense that Kevin Durant haters write here, for three years Durant was the best player of GSW and without him they would not have won two championships. The 73-9 team showed all its misery in the playoffs and barely crawled to the finals, where it failed despite a 3-1 lead because it lacked a player like Durant.
Everyone hates on paul pierce but he won a championship with doc rivers as his coach. If that doesn't put u in the goat conversation I don't know what does.
KD genuinely may be the most overrated player in history