Retrofit... maybe the most important check is going to be oil bands - especially where a reduced base circle is reached for trying to get at bigger lift. You can get in trouble high or low - no peeking allowed!. Second, lifter bore centers: square vs cam center. This can be off a small amount on flat tappets and gotten away with [as long as lobe stays away from lifter edge and still spins], but lifter rollers with grossly uneven axle loads are not going to be happy for long. Could 1 degree ruin your day? Could be. Even if it survives to develop a taper on lobe or wheel and goes 1100 miles, the result is any cam walk at all is then trying to spread lifter body at axle from occasional side loading. [Jigs used to drill lifter bores rely on other things being right: cam tunnel indexed correctly, and decks/china wall are true]. Re-indexing a cam tunnel can be done for oversized bearings. Original period blocks sometimes came with near 0.005" deck taper. Nice touch on the spacers - that would be my choice as well, so fasteners load/stay put.
Great video but it would be nice to know the depth of the two screws. Other videos stated the depth. Any issues like the flat tappet from wiping out the lifter or cam lobes?
I'm working on a 400 ford same as a 351m block. The ears on the dog bone interfere with the corners of the valley. Is it normal to need to relieve the corners of the dog bones with a radius?
My machine shop assembled the bottom end and tapped the block for the spider kit. They must have missed the interference. Don't want to grind the block now so hopefully a little off the leg corners won't hurt it
With modern oils it's real easy to wipe a flat tappet cam because of the lack of zinc in the oil that provides the protection at the face of the cam lobes where the pressure is extremely high and the oil film cannot prevent metal on metal contact, with the roller cam that is no longer a problem as the roller reduces the friction and pressures. Another benefit is that you can run a better cam profile with the rollers.
@@harmankardon478 Nope it is all about keeping metal on metal contact from actually happening. That is the oils primary job in any application. It's secondary job is to help carry heat away from those same high pressure areas.
@@Blazer02LS you don't even know how a flat tappet cam works. The cam lobes MUST have a slight taper not visible to the eye, the lifters MUST have a crown, both surfaces must have specific hardness characteristics in addition to the tight machining tolerances this facilitates the lifter to rotate in the bore so that your basic understanding of oiling can even occur. Additionally, the metallurgy ensures that the surfaces hardnesses allow mating and don't fail during break in ... there's much more to cam failures then "it's all the oil". ZDDP is what you would have referred to if you knew anything about the only significant change in modern oil.... ZDDP additives are used in many failed break ins which disproves your grossly over simplified "is the oil theory"...
@MrDanielSoliz makes since idk why comp told me I don't need it! Looks like I got more questions to ask COMP Cams Camshaft Complete Kit Magnum 260HR Retro-Fit Hydraulic Roller 1200-4500 RPM Carbureted 289/302 That is the kit I ordered from cj pony
Hi I’ve searched all your videos didn’t find any on crank scrapers I’ve googled searched about them so many mixed information What’s your opinion on them ?
When I had talked to them they said they were not the same, that they where longer.I just looked and they are showing the same parts. I stand corrected.👍
Ok I’m a Bow tie person who’s been holding back from from doing this bc of the cost and I’m dealing with a street motor and figure I’m good as far as that goes but I’m considering taking the plunge so for a street motor how much would I expect to spend on a perf.set up?approx.
@@MrDanielSoliz thanks I pointed them all towards the front of the engine. I am trying to finish this 4.3 sbc up and dont want to make a simple mistake. I have another question,, my harmonic balancer seperated on my 4.3 while assembling the motor.., I have read that the harmonic balancer and the flywheel as well as crankshaft drilling balances the engine.. so are harmonic balancers critical in getting the engine balanced, can I use any one for that engine or do I need to have anything done. ive heard the 4.3 without the balancer shaft, (which I have). can be real shakers.
It does call for no.7 or 13/64 “ drill bit . Monday I’m going to check the drill box and see if someone didn’t put the drill back in the right spot, Thanks for the clarification. 👍
oh goody! this vid may help my brother, He just got his 347for the comet back from machinist We were just disgusing this he told me the late model 302 block he used was a roller from factory so he just needs ford racing lifters but now i can look at his block make sure and compare where im confused is he told me the lifters have dog bones i think you call them like on chevys Idk whats going on with this stroker build of his. I know he just doesnt really know and i go with it thinkin the machinest will tell him what to get but maybe hes getting fucked, first he bought the rods and pistons and had block bored .020 over afterwards i thought was odd then yest i looked at the skat crank and it said a 3.00 stroke isnt that stock 302?
What a great tutorial. Danny answered every question that came to my mind as I was thinking it. What an expert.
I didn't knew this existed, but damn, now seen the install and the tools required.. it's really simple!; and explained as clean and clear as always.
For those who don't like to read and don't have a Shop Mom to read to them.😁
Nice tip with the washers!👍
Thanks Danny have a good weekend man:) Tell shopmom I said hi:)
Thanks for taking the time to make a video for us
keep them vids rolling brother! 🍻👍
Thanks for the tech tips mate.
😎🍺👍🇦🇺
Hey there, great video .. What is the max depth, for the drill hole??
Seems like the most important thing here ?
Thanks...
Retrofit... maybe the most important check is going to be oil bands - especially where a reduced base circle is reached for trying to get at bigger lift. You can get in trouble high or low - no peeking allowed!. Second, lifter bore centers: square vs cam center. This can be off a small amount on flat tappets and gotten away with [as long as lobe stays away from lifter edge and still spins], but lifter rollers with grossly uneven axle loads are not going to be happy for long. Could 1 degree ruin your day? Could be. Even if it survives to develop a taper on lobe or wheel and goes 1100 miles, the result is any cam walk at all is then trying to spread lifter body at axle from occasional side loading. [Jigs used to drill lifter bores rely on other things being right: cam tunnel indexed correctly, and decks/china wall are true]. Re-indexing a cam tunnel can be done for oversized bearings. Original period blocks sometimes came with near 0.005" deck taper.
Nice touch on the spacers - that would be my choice as well, so fasteners load/stay put.
I have this kit in my 351 Clev too! Mine is the 290hr.I wonder what one this was?
Good question & following. What HP are you making with that cam?
Great video but it would be nice to know the depth of the two screws. Other videos stated the depth. Any issues like the flat tappet from wiping out the lifter or cam lobes?
Ever notice these how to videos never tell you the most important stuff ?
Smart to put spacers under the spider. Red Locktite to secure it?
I'm working on a 400 ford same as a 351m block. The ears on the dog bone interfere with the corners of the valley. Is it normal to need to relieve the corners of the dog bones with a radius?
Sometimes you need to , if the block is apart I’ll grind the block.
My machine shop assembled the bottom end and tapped the block for the spider kit. They must have missed the interference. Don't want to grind the block now so hopefully a little off the leg corners won't hurt it
Danny what would the cost be to purchase a fully prepped 408 Windsor block from you for around 450-550 Hp. Yes a roller cam will be used
Great job, thanks 🇺🇸
Awesome tutorial 👊🏼
Thanks Danny, great job, nice and clean.
Solid video, thanks 👍
Any benefits from a roller cam/lifter in a street engine or is this strictly for high performance/race applications?
With modern oils it's real easy to wipe a flat tappet cam because of the lack of zinc in the oil that provides the protection at the face of the cam lobes where the pressure is extremely high and the oil film cannot prevent metal on metal contact, with the roller cam that is no longer a problem as the roller reduces the friction and pressures. Another benefit is that you can run a better cam profile with the rollers.
Exactly !👍👍👍👍
@@Blazer02LS it's not the oil it's the junk Chinese materials, poor manufacturing practices and QC.
@@harmankardon478 Nope it is all about keeping metal on metal contact from actually happening. That is the oils primary job in any application. It's secondary job is to help carry heat away from those same high pressure areas.
@@Blazer02LS you don't even know how a flat tappet cam works. The cam lobes MUST have a slight taper not visible to the eye, the lifters MUST have a crown, both surfaces must have specific hardness characteristics in addition to the tight machining tolerances this facilitates the lifter to rotate in the bore so that your basic understanding of oiling can even occur. Additionally, the metallurgy ensures that the surfaces hardnesses allow mating and don't fail during break in ... there's much more to cam failures then "it's all the oil".
ZDDP is what you would have referred to if you knew anything about the only significant change in modern oil.... ZDDP additives are used in many failed break ins which disproves your grossly over simplified "is the oil theory"...
Thanks Danny, What brand is that tap holder with the 3/8 extension ratchet adapter built in?
It’s a Snap-On set. Very nice set!
Thanks for the video my roller kit is ordered but mine does not come with a hold down tray? Do all roller cams require the hold down
1968 ford 289?
No, you make also use tie bar lifters like we use on race engines. You just need a way to keep the lifters from turning.
@MrDanielSoliz makes since idk why comp told me I don't need it! Looks like I got more questions to ask
COMP Cams Camshaft Complete Kit Magnum 260HR Retro-Fit Hydraulic Roller 1200-4500 RPM Carbureted 289/302
That is the kit I ordered from cj pony
I wonder if a feller could save some dough n grind down his block n use lighter shorter stock lifters 🤔 that n a little fab work on your hold down.
Yes you could do that.👍
Hi I’ve searched all your videos didn’t find any on crank scrapers
I’ve googled searched about them so many mixed information
What’s your opinion on them ?
I used one on the Compressed Air Supercharged engine we. I could look that video. 👍
you never talked about the difference in the cam shaft?, stock base circle? reduced base circle?
I'm Happy! :)
I call b.s on the lifters being different bc it's same part numbers so stock 302 lifters should work plus from what I've researched there the same
When I had talked to them they said they were not the same, that they where longer.I just looked and they are showing the same parts. I stand corrected.👍
Ok I’m a Bow tie person who’s been holding back from from doing this bc of the cost and I’m dealing with a street motor and figure I’m good as far as that goes but I’m considering taking the plunge so for a street motor how much would I expect to spend on a perf.set up?approx.
Depends on parts that go into an engine. Cost wise you can’t beat a ZZ4 crate engine?
does it matter which way the tiny oil bleed hole in the roller lifter faces?
Doesn’t matter, funny thing I always like to aim them towards the oil passage but it makes no difference.
@@MrDanielSoliz thanks I pointed them all towards the front of the engine. I am trying to finish this 4.3 sbc up and dont want to make a simple mistake. I have another question,, my harmonic balancer seperated on my 4.3 while assembling the motor.., I have read that the harmonic balancer and the flywheel as well as crankshaft drilling balances the engine.. so are harmonic balancers critical in getting the engine balanced, can I use any one for that engine or do I need to have anything done. ive heard the 4.3 without the balancer shaft, (which I have). can be real shakers.
now you have to change your distributor to a roller cam gear
Yes that’s right.👍
I have a regular 350 with a Flat-Tappet cam, so order this kit and and change my cam to a roller cam???
This is a kit for ford. There’s a different kit for your small block Chevy ,you will need tie bar lifters.
@@MrDanielSoliz one other question, how can I find out what cam I should choose??…not sure about lift and duration?
Will that kit work on a older 68 302 block?
Yes it will.
@@MrDanielSoliz will you have to run a small base cam or any one will work
Me podrás recomendar una marca buena de lifters de rodillos para un motor 5.0 de un mustang 1990 gracias
Morel lifters.
amigo compre comp cams lifters roller para my motor gracias
no. 7 drill bit
It does call for no.7 or 13/64 “ drill bit . Monday I’m going to check the drill box and see if someone didn’t put the drill back in the right spot, Thanks for the clarification. 👍
Gracias señor
I wonder if my 87 302 has a roller cam.
Yes it does! 👍
Space spider up about 1/2 inch or you will break it.
If using the OEM length roller lifters does this require using a small base or reduced base circle cam?
Are you asking about OEM lifters on a roller block or non roller block?
@@MrDanielSoliz non roller block. My understanding is that no roller block with these lifters requires small base circle cam.
The lifter is taller, and a smaller base circle would put the lifter further in the lifter bore.
oh goody! this vid may help my brother, He just got his 347for the comet back from machinist We were just disgusing this he told me the late model 302 block he used was a roller from factory so he just needs ford racing lifters but now i can look at his block make sure and compare where im confused is he told me the lifters have dog bones i think you call them like on chevys Idk whats going on with this stroker build of his. I know he just doesnt really know and i go with it thinkin the machinest will tell him what to get but maybe hes getting fucked, first he bought the rods and pistons and had block bored .020 over afterwards i thought was odd then yest i looked at the skat crank and it said a 3.00 stroke isnt that stock 302?
4.00 bore x 300 stroke = 302 cid So it looks like it’s not a stroker
I have no use for this cam !
Stop it people 😂