The current FETTEC firmware does NOT support blheli passthrough yet! The Alpha firmware available from the FETTEC discord is expected to have this feature at some point in the future, but for now you still need to plug in a Betaflight FC to do passthrough configuration and flashing of BLHeli ESC's.
Worth noting buzzer emulation and flip over after crash does not work on the Fettec. It does on the kiss ultra they patched the issue. Found out the hard way
Flip crash doesn't work??? Are you sure about that? I test flew these both but I might have been going easy trying not to blow my ESC and not crash flipped. Seems like I would have remembered :-(
You guys might want to double check that. My blheli32 from t motor the flip over after crash worked just fine along with Emulate motor buzzer worked as well. I’ve been running a Fettec g4 in my main quad for a few months now an had no problem with it using the default firmware that came on it. I was too lazy to update it yet In all fairness. I’ve had nothing but a good experience with my setup but every quad is different. Feel free to hit me up if you need any help.
I just built a quad with the FETtec G4 and SpeedyBee BLHeli S ESC. Everything was very easy to set up but I missed the motor order. Using the Alpha software, it may say everything is correct (prop direction and motors spinning according to BF) but the FETtec FC has the motors in a different order as shown. That threw me for a loop until I changed the ESC to say BF config… and then it worked perfectly. That one problem took me more time to figure out than it took me to configure everything else combined.
I broke my u.fl connector on my VTX board. Has to wait a few days for the new connectors to come in. Then I had to use my heat gun to remove the old one, then tin up, flux up and use the heat gun to melt it and use tweezers to drop in the new one. Saved my butt when I continuity tested and saw I bridged under the connector. Did process again and it finally worked. Continuity tester saves
Ooooo, this is very exciting. Have a G4 and a 45A 4:1 ESC in the drawer for my coming build. If the ESC gets wrecked in some crash this option is reassuring to have.
JB - Thanks for not editing out your reverse wire troubleshooting. I've only built a handful of quads, but I have had the task of mixing FC's and ESC's where the wire harness needed to be rewired - and I like quadruple checked and while shitting my pants I plugged a battery in. But that's not the point. I LOVE that you showed the diagnostic continuity test! NOW I understand how to check in the future, without messing my pants. I absolutely learned something today 😎 PS I don't own a FETTEC - I just love me some new JB knowledge.
Stayed up last night soldering up this board to a HW 60a esc. Before going to bed i smoke checked it and plugged in a lipo. It did 3 successive beeps twice and stopped but everythinf checked out. Went to sleep happy but it's been bothering me today that it didnt make the usual esc sounds or the sound JB's made in the video. Supposed to be working, but just wanna finish my latest kwad! Lol
great video brother!!!! I was just blessed with a fettec and a foxeer reaper 8s ESC !!!! I just cant wait to be able to get some 8s motors to fly on it and of course some 8s batteries to lol
Great informative video as always! Was just about to use this fc to try it out. Always feel more confident doing this when I can follow along with your videos. Thank you.👍
Good Video. I would recommend wiring up a custom plug and using the socket on the left side of the FC if using DJI for video. Unfortunately, if using DJI for flight rx you would need to still solder to the board sbus and gnd wires and then configure it in the KISS GUI. FETtec should consider a fully plug and play DJI model. If you dabble in 3D flying, the FETtec KISS G4 has advantages over FCs using Betaflight. 5 inch quads using betaflight, 3D mode MUST have airmode disabled or the quad can wig out and go out of control during transitions. The KISS software does not have that problem. The KISS airmode is a different and superior approach IMHO. Eager for the FC passthrough for BL heli escs. Without that feature, you need a betaflight FC on hand to plug into your BL heli esc, as Joshua pointed out. FETtec 45A esc is plug and play with the G4 but reliability of the esc is an issue. Many reports of failures. Personally, I had two fail. One on the bench during setup which the company replaced. The second failed during flight. 3rd or 4th flight on the quad and it dropped out of the sky. Company did not replace that one, they said it was a fault in my build. Don't agree. Same quad flying beautifully before failure and after failure with a new T motor esc. No issues. Sticking to non FETtec escs for now but do really like the G4 flight controller paired with BLheli esc.
I just installed the g4 on my apex build and had removed the original fettec v1 fc. When I got the g4 installed I have no osd with the dji caddx Vista any idea why. In the kiss gui I set it up the same as the old fettec fc and its not working any idea why. Also when soldering the vista wires I only left off the rx wire for sbus I did not need it with the old v1 fc. Could that be it? I thought the sbus wire was if I was using the dji controller and im not im using crossfire. I have several other build with the old v1 fc and they all work fine. Any ideas ??
Hi JB you can use the uart3 jst connector for vista there's vcc... there is vcc, gnd, tx3 and rx3 and also a uart 1 on opposite side of the fc... why bother to solder keep the fc clean
I've been Jonesing for another soldering video, even though I solder perfectly; I still like watching videos with soldering all of the components together. I really like some of the options or differences the FETTEC G4 has to offer, but I'm still too comfortable with BetaFlight to try it just yet. I feel more comfortable with the sliders on BetaFlight, but I'm sure that I could get used to the FETTEC system. One of the things I do like is how you can change the output power without bridging. Great video!!!
@@JoshuaBardwell All devices are connected to battery, so any noise from a bec or fc or esc is seen by all devices. The air unit can take a range of voltage, depending on unit, which implies the unit must have a built in bec. So what advantage is there to cascading becs, with each one generating it's own noise and heat? Keep in mind filters no matter how sophisticated are by no means perfect there will always be noise leakage. Good filtering costs money, add weight and takes up space and can be a point of failure...
My man, I am telling you facts based on a decade of experience building and flying drones. You can argue theoretically all you want. Your theoretical arguments do not match with the actual experience of people who actually build drones. Most of the time, running a vTX off a regulator gives cleaner video than running it off vBat. Yes, the vTX has a built in BEC. And like you suggest, it has relatively shitty filtering (most of the time). So putting it behind another BEC that has better filtering improves the situation. Even though the BEC's filtering is not perfect, it is way better than the, sometimes, 30 volts peak of noise that is introduced into the vBat rail by the switching of the ESC FETs. Stop arguing and open up your brain to new information that will make you smarter.
Kiss firmware has been RC for years lol not sure why, they tend to just add letters after RC. But it’s solid if it’s RC and not Alpha or Beta. Also, pretty sure Fettec has a browser configurator now that allows more functionality. Like remapping channels via software.
Nice product placement of the Toolkit RC bench power supply 🤛. I've been planning on getting one. However, it won't help with the clutter. My bench doubles as my computer desk so it would actually add to the clutter. 😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣
I initially had trepidations on the onboard BEC as well; ended up wiring my Vista to my ESC’s 10V/2A BEC output. Also added a 220uF 35V electrolytic cap on the Vista side for good measure. Also if anyone’s thinking about using the same combo (as in G4 + same exact ESC) for all quads in their fleet, might be a good idea to reserve a spare BF FC + dedicated FC-ESC harness specifically for doing ESC firmware updates, changing settings like motor timing/direction and such.
Have you ever heard of the flight controller not being able to be activated? When I click the activate button is just refreshes and wants to be clicked again. I have tried two different internet connections.
@@ammaral_shayeb8196 They Didn't change much from the last one, I had It Also tell It fried for No Reason. If You haven't tried Kiss Flyduino You should in my opinion I would rather fly on default, bent props and Crashed frame. Then Betaflight. It just can't out do it.
All JB's videos are geared mostly towards new Pilots getting into FPV. If you have any questions about FPV or setup just type the question in Goggle and a JB video answering your question will pop up. The guys a Legend!
Does this method also work with the Fettec F7? I just overloaded my 35a Fettec ESC and I have an Aikon AK32 55a lying around that I’m hoping I can use with this flight controller.
I'm using the g4 with the tekko 65 amp metal and I've had multiple ppl send me diagrams where motor 1 goes to signal 3 ect... is this not right jb? I don't wanna fry my stuff
The plug backwards yes I did pin it out wrong. The real danger of frying something is if you get vBat and G wrong. The signal wires won't hurt anything just your quad won't fly if the motors aren't mapped out right.
@@JoshuaBardwell ok thanks for the info jb! I've asked others about this problem on the fettec groups and people say you can just wire it up 1-1 2-2 ect ect and change the motor mapping to bf in the gui.
Hi，JB。 My kiss ultra and fettec ESC were powered on normally for the first time. When I was ready to brush the firmware in fettec, the ultra burned out. I don't know what's going on.
Hi Josh. Im currently using a caddx vista and while I get perfect image, im getting no OSD. was wondering if you had any troubleshooting ideas? I have followed all tutorials to get it set up, and nothing is showing.
If you’re wiring the Vista to a G4 using the recommended TX/RX pair as laid out in the manual (that is; using the TX/RX pair from the long JST socket) - on KISS GUI, have you set serial 3 to DJI MSP?
If you were running the vista on 6s without a bec there is a chance that you fried the tx and rx diodes.Google it you basically can just pop them out of the top board where the antena connector is and it should work but noted the next time a voltage spike comes the is no protection and you will fry the whole vista so use a bec.
I'm having the same problem. I have the vista also and no osd. I set mine up just like Josh in the video and its not working. I have also set it up just like the g4 manual and it's not working. I have 5 quads with the FETfec fc v1 and have all the osd I need with no problems. I whet to this g4 and it flys great but steel no osd. I have built over 40 quads in the past 4 years and when a person reads the g4 manual from top to bottom and do the setup the way it says and it does not work. This is really poor quality from fettec. What is worse is there is no help at all VERY FRUSTRATING
@@redbaronfpv8555 did you ever get osd on the g4? I got the 03 air unit soldered to uart1. OSD only works sometimes for me.. like 2/10 packs it works. I've been searching for a solution for hours.
I have worked with some volunteers to translate my videos into other languages. In general, the views are very low and the amount of work to translate is very high, and the volunteer eventually stops doing it. Since the channel never gets enough views to be monetized, it's not worth paying to have them translated.
well dammit, i shouldve watched this video more thoroughly and paid attention to your smoke check and i wouldnt have toasted my new fettec g4... chears to assuming the pinouts are universal hahahahahahacrycrycry. Lesson learned, buy a multimeter...
I have barely ever Had even one issue With Kiss Flyduino. Had it for about 5 year's now. Went out and Grabbed 6 g4 all of them fried. Absolutely junk....Never again will I betray Flyduino.
Flashing issues and one from a bad Esc. . Ordered New 45a Esc fettec same issue. Placed it On Flyduino V2. Flow though really poorly. Took it off Because scared of killing my Flyduino V2 FC
The current FETTEC firmware does NOT support blheli passthrough yet! The Alpha firmware available from the FETTEC discord is expected to have this feature at some point in the future, but for now you still need to plug in a Betaflight FC to do passthrough configuration and flashing of BLHeli ESC's.
Or u can just switch the wires on the wiring harness between fc and esc. And to switch motor direction just swap 2 of the 3 motor wire
Think I might give kiss a try. regarding lack of passthru, is this still the case, JB?
Thanks!
Worth noting buzzer emulation and flip over after crash does not work on the Fettec. It does on the kiss ultra they patched the issue. Found out the hard way
Flip crash doesn't work??? Are you sure about that? I test flew these both but I might have been going easy trying not to blow my ESC and not crash flipped. Seems like I would have remembered :-(
You guys might want to double check that. My blheli32 from t motor the flip over after crash worked just fine along with Emulate motor buzzer worked as well. I’ve been running a Fettec g4 in my main quad for a few months now an had no problem with it using the default firmware that came on it. I was too lazy to update it yet In all fairness. I’ve had nothing but a good experience with my setup but every quad is different. Feel free to hit me up if you need any help.
Yes both work fine together
@@chrishiggins7475 thanks for confirming that. I thought I remembered it working but always good to have 3rd an 4th party confirmation.
Turtle works. Buzzer emulation doesn’t.
I just built a quad with the FETtec G4 and SpeedyBee BLHeli S ESC. Everything was very easy to set up but I missed the motor order. Using the Alpha software, it may say everything is correct (prop direction and motors spinning according to BF) but the FETtec FC has the motors in a different order as shown. That threw me for a loop until I changed the ESC to say BF config… and then it worked perfectly. That one problem took me more time to figure out than it took me to configure everything else combined.
I broke my u.fl connector on my VTX board. Has to wait a few days for the new connectors to come in. Then I had to use my heat gun to remove the old one, then tin up, flux up and use the heat gun to melt it and use tweezers to drop in the new one. Saved my butt when I continuity tested and saw I bridged under the connector. Did process again and it finally worked. Continuity tester saves
JB There’s a dang plug on the board for vista/AU
Ooooo, this is very exciting. Have a G4 and a 45A 4:1 ESC in the drawer for my coming build. If the ESC gets wrecked in some crash this option is reassuring to have.
JB - Thanks for not editing out your reverse wire troubleshooting. I've only built a handful of quads, but I have had the task of mixing FC's and ESC's where the wire harness needed to be rewired - and I like quadruple checked and while shitting my pants I plugged a battery in. But that's not the point.
I LOVE that you showed the diagnostic continuity test! NOW I understand how to check in the future, without messing my pants.
I absolutely learned something today 😎
PS I don't own a FETTEC - I just love me some new JB knowledge.
Stayed up last night soldering up this board to a HW 60a esc. Before going to bed i smoke checked it and plugged in a lipo. It did 3 successive beeps twice and stopped but everythinf checked out. Went to sleep happy but it's been bothering me today that it didnt make the usual esc sounds or the sound JB's made in the video. Supposed to be working, but just wanna finish my latest kwad! Lol
Pretty interesting indeed! Thanks, Joshua! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
great video brother!!!! I was just blessed with a fettec and a foxeer reaper 8s ESC !!!! I just cant wait to be able to get some 8s motors to fly on it and of course some 8s batteries to lol
Great informative video as always! Was just about to use this fc to try it out. Always feel more confident doing this when I can follow along with your videos. Thank you.👍
How did you get batt. voltage in Dji osd.
Good Video. I would recommend wiring up a custom plug and using the socket on the left side of the FC if using DJI for video. Unfortunately, if using DJI for flight rx you would need to still solder to the board sbus and gnd wires and then configure it in the KISS GUI. FETtec should consider a fully plug and play DJI model.
If you dabble in 3D flying, the FETtec KISS G4 has advantages over FCs using Betaflight. 5 inch quads using betaflight, 3D mode MUST have airmode disabled or the quad can wig out and go out of control during transitions. The KISS software does not have that problem. The KISS airmode is a different and superior approach IMHO.
Eager for the FC passthrough for BL heli escs. Without that feature, you need a betaflight FC on hand to plug into your BL heli esc, as Joshua pointed out.
FETtec 45A esc is plug and play with the G4 but reliability of the esc is an issue. Many reports of failures. Personally, I had two fail. One on the bench during setup which the company replaced. The second failed during flight. 3rd or 4th flight on the quad and it dropped out of the sky. Company did not replace that one, they said it was a fault in my build. Don't agree. Same quad flying beautifully before failure and after failure with a new T motor esc. No issues.
Sticking to non FETtec escs for now but do really like the G4 flight controller paired with BLheli esc.
I just installed the g4 on my apex build and had removed the original fettec v1 fc. When I got the g4 installed I have no osd with the dji caddx Vista any idea why. In the kiss gui I set it up the same as the old fettec fc and its not working any idea why. Also when soldering the vista wires I only left off the rx wire for sbus I did not need it with the old v1 fc. Could that be it? I thought the sbus wire was if I was using the dji controller and im not im using crossfire. I have several other build with the old v1 fc and they all work fine. Any ideas ??
Hi JB you can use the uart3 jst connector for vista there's vcc... there is vcc, gnd, tx3 and rx3 and also a uart 1 on opposite side of the fc... why bother to solder keep the fc clean
I've been Jonesing for another soldering video, even though I solder perfectly; I still like watching videos with soldering all of the components together. I really like some of the options or differences the FETTEC G4 has to offer, but I'm still too comfortable with BetaFlight to try it just yet. I feel more comfortable with the sliders on BetaFlight, but I'm sure that I could get used to the FETTEC system. One of the things I do like is how you can change the output power without bridging.
Great video!!!
Raw battery voltage should be less noisy than any bec, given a bec is a switching device generating noise
I disagree. Voltage regulators have filtering to remove ripple from the output. Raw battery voltage has noise from the ESC's.
@@JoshuaBardwell All devices are connected to battery, so any noise from a bec or fc or esc is seen by all devices.
The air unit can take a range of voltage, depending on unit, which implies the unit must have a built in bec. So what advantage is there to cascading becs, with each one generating it's own noise and heat? Keep in mind filters no matter how sophisticated are by no means perfect there will always be noise leakage. Good filtering costs money, add weight and takes up space and can be a point of failure...
My man, I am telling you facts based on a decade of experience building and flying drones. You can argue theoretically all you want. Your theoretical arguments do not match with the actual experience of people who actually build drones.
Most of the time, running a vTX off a regulator gives cleaner video than running it off vBat.
Yes, the vTX has a built in BEC. And like you suggest, it has relatively shitty filtering (most of the time). So putting it behind another BEC that has better filtering improves the situation. Even though the BEC's filtering is not perfect, it is way better than the, sometimes, 30 volts peak of noise that is introduced into the vBat rail by the switching of the ESC FETs.
Stop arguing and open up your brain to new information that will make you smarter.
Is it significantly safer to use a Fettec Spike Absorber for G4 + BLheli ESC. Or is that more a precautionary thing when using Fettec ESCs?
Solid vid mate, great to see some debugging in action
YESS! Thank you JB!
Kiss firmware has been RC for years lol not sure why, they tend to just add letters after RC. But it’s solid if it’s RC and not Alpha or Beta.
Also, pretty sure Fettec has a browser configurator now that allows more functionality. Like remapping channels via software.
Nice product placement of the Toolkit RC bench power supply 🤛. I've been planning on getting one. However, it won't help with the clutter. My bench doubles as my computer desk so it would actually add to the clutter. 😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣
I initially had trepidations on the onboard BEC as well; ended up wiring my Vista to my ESC’s 10V/2A BEC output. Also added a 220uF 35V electrolytic cap on the Vista side for good measure.
Also if anyone’s thinking about using the same combo (as in G4 + same exact ESC) for all quads in their fleet, might be a good idea to reserve a spare BF FC + dedicated FC-ESC harness specifically for doing ESC firmware updates, changing settings like motor timing/direction and such.
Have you ever heard of the flight controller not being able to be activated? When I click the activate button is just refreshes and wants to be clicked again. I have tried two different internet connections.
What is that funky SW used to draw the diagrams?
These are soooo helpful. Thanks.
did you switch fettec
my dji osd says 18V voltage but its a full 6S Lipo on the fettec G4 N
Why are there no kiss fc boards available?
I didnt have luck with the fettec g4 and hobbywing 60 amp. Didnt last very long
I fried 6 g4 before giving up on it. Even tried moving over my Kiss V2 FC to It's 45a esc No Luck. In My opinion absolutely junk..
I still don't understand why is it supposed to be better? I still have not tried yet
@@ammaral_shayeb8196 They Didn't change much from the last one, I had It Also tell It fried for No Reason. If You haven't tried Kiss Flyduino You should in my opinion I would rather fly on default, bent props and Crashed frame. Then Betaflight. It just can't out do it.
I love ur content but can u make e vid on how tog get started in fpv
All JB's videos are geared mostly towards new Pilots getting into FPV. If you have any questions about FPV or setup just type the question in Goggle and a JB video answering your question will pop up. The guys a Legend!
Hello jb how to setup led rgb on?
Just a little detail, when you use the motors for buzzer your turttle mode doesn't work properly
Great work on the Video!
Can I use current sense with blheli esc and a Fettec F7? Getting no amp draw info in osd.
I’ve got the fettec esc, but an stuck waiting for the fc to become available again…. Any suggestions for an alternative or strategy?
Does this method also work with the Fettec F7? I just overloaded my 35a Fettec ESC and I have an Aikon AK32 55a lying around that I’m hoping I can use with this flight controller.
So I just followed along and wired a G4 to my blheli ESC but I’m finding out that the G4 doesn’t have OSD? Is there anyway around this?
I think you have the version of the g4 that only works with digital vTX. If you need analog OSD, you need a different FC.
Wery cool. But I also have another question, can you use a kiss esc with an betaflight fc?
Yes absolutely.
BLHeli32 only? BlHeli_S is not compatible?
It's also compatible yes. But I'm using 32 8n this video.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thank you sir. :)
Hey, what are those white plugs with multiple wires called and where do I find them?
Look on racedayquads for sh 1.0 cable set.
I have problem :-( i use spedix45 GS and Solder pad Curr to CS in G4... OSD works but not work mAh and Amp
When my Mamba 128k 55a ESC is used with G4, the yaw direction vibrates😩i cant solve it
I'm using the g4 with the tekko 65 amp metal and I've had multiple ppl send me diagrams where motor 1 goes to signal 3 ect... is this not right jb? I don't wanna fry my stuff
The kiss motor order is different from Betaflight. I think they're just trying to fix that in the wires instead of in software.
@@JoshuaBardwell ok thanks man, is that what you were talking about getting the plug backwards? What esc are you pairing to the g4?
The plug backwards yes I did pin it out wrong. The real danger of frying something is if you get vBat and G wrong. The signal wires won't hurt anything just your quad won't fly if the motors aren't mapped out right.
@@JoshuaBardwell ok thanks for the info jb! I've asked others about this problem on the fettec groups and people say you can just wire it up 1-1 2-2 ect ect and change the motor mapping to bf in the gui.
Does buzzer emulation work on g4 or does it have a problem with turtle mode?
Both work, no issue with turtle mode :)
@@jameswho5517 buzzer emulation works now!?
Hi，JB。 My kiss ultra and fettec ESC were powered on normally for the first time. When I was ready to brush the firmware in fettec, the ultra burned out. I don't know what's going on.
I dunno either. Ask on the Ultra discord server. Alex is there and is super helpful.
Ok，Thanks。
nice vid bro
Hi Josh. Im currently using a caddx vista and while I get perfect image, im getting no OSD. was wondering if you had any troubleshooting ideas? I have followed all tutorials to get it set up, and nothing is showing.
If you’re wiring the Vista to a G4 using the recommended TX/RX pair as laid out in the manual (that is; using the TX/RX pair from the long JST socket) - on KISS GUI, have you set serial 3 to DJI MSP?
If you were running the vista on 6s without a bec there is a chance that you fried the tx and rx diodes.Google it you basically can just pop them out of the top board where the antena connector is and it should work but noted the next time a voltage spike comes the is no protection and you will fry the whole vista so use a bec.
I'm having the same problem. I have the vista also and no osd. I set mine up just like Josh in the video and its not working. I have also set it up just like the g4 manual and it's not working. I have 5 quads with the FETfec fc v1 and have all the osd I need with no problems. I whet to this g4 and it flys great but steel no osd. I have built over 40 quads in the past 4 years and when a person reads the g4 manual from top to bottom and do the setup the way it says and it does not work. This is really poor quality from fettec. What is worse is there is no help at all VERY FRUSTRATING
@@redbaronfpv8555 idem
@@redbaronfpv8555 did you ever get osd on the g4? I got the 03 air unit soldered to uart1. OSD only works sometimes for me.. like 2/10 packs it works. I've been searching for a solution for hours.
Why is it getting so popular what are the advantages against betaflight ?
Try one out and you will understand
Sup JB
Nobody: More KISS content
You're not wrong but since I release Ultra guide I thought it was only fair.
Νο pass in blheli 🙀
its coming!
@@jameswho5517 do not swear 😉
Has it ever crossed your mind to reach Hispanic people or is it not a world that interests you? I mean your videos translated into Spanish.
I have worked with some volunteers to translate my videos into other languages. In general, the views are very low and the amount of work to translate is very high, and the volunteer eventually stops doing it. Since the channel never gets enough views to be monetized, it's not worth paying to have them translated.
@@JoshuaBardwell ok I understand. Normally I put the CC when I saw you videos but was it more easy on my league. But we see what happens on the future
well dammit, i shouldve watched this video more thoroughly and paid attention to your smoke check and i wouldnt have toasted my new fettec g4... chears to assuming the pinouts are universal hahahahahahacrycrycry.
Lesson learned, buy a multimeter...
I have barely ever Had even one issue With Kiss Flyduino. Had it for about 5 year's now. Went out and Grabbed 6 g4 all of them fried. Absolutely junk....Never again will I betray Flyduino.
No way 6 g4s fried due to hardware issues. G4 and ultra hands down are best made. Sure 6 of them were not operator error?
6 and they all fried?
Flashing issues and one from a bad Esc. . Ordered New 45a Esc fettec same issue. Placed it On Flyduino V2. Flow though really poorly. Took it off Because scared of killing my Flyduino V2 FC