Add the cap space that teams must now carefully thread water with and now its way harder to keep players who want or have high contracts without gutting the roster.
If that team exists in 2019 it’s the best team ever. Russ was still insane, Paul George had his best year, MVP Harden, Finals MVP Kawhi. Crazy that these guys are old now
@@riqo7385 they were on court together the whole season, just shows you’re a casual that doesn’t actually watch games, don’t have league pass, and just follow on social media. That’s why the clippers were winning so much, because they played together. Then Kawhi’s knee gave up as usual and he tried to play thru injury costing the clippers a playoff game loss to the Mavs and they ended up losing the series with kawhi on the bench the rest of it. I’m still trying to figure out why the Clippers make the move they ddi in the first place, I’ll never forget where I was when I looked at the TV and saw Kawhi eas demanding the Clippers get another proven veteran star for him to play with, or he would sign with the lakers. I told my boy there’s no way in hell the clippers are gonna trade the house to do that, and sure enough they traded away their budding young star for another injury prone star to land an injury prone star, both past their primes 😭 I feel bad for Harden, he led the league in assists his last year in Philly and helped embiid win an MVP, and dropped 40+ twice against Boston in the playoffs that season. He still had more left in him. And now he’s spending his final years on a bum ass clippers team with kawhi in street clothes.
I personally just think the fit of these new big three/super teams is what is to blame. The ones that have been successful are the teams where all the guy fit each other and suit the way the other play and/or can cover for the deficiencies of the other players.
Yep. Heatles worked because Bosh sacrificed and became a stretch big. The KD-Russ-Harden Thunder worked because Harden came off the bench. The warriors worked because Steph, Klay, and KD could all play without the ball. Many of these failed superteams were either old or terrible fits for each other.
The super team era is never over. It just comes and goes. A lot of younger NBA fans don't remember the NBA already went through this in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. The 60s had super teams. The 70s had parity. And then the 80s went back to super teams.
Yeah back in the stone age when there were less than 20 teams Dude the league’s parity is MUCH more meaningful now than ever, most teams ever and highest level of skill ever. The NBA championship is turning into a superbowl in terms of difficulty to win
Saying that there were super teams in the 60s is ignoring the fact that there was only like 14 teams😂😂 no, there were not super teams, nor was player empowerment and free agency remotely similar to it is today Yes, there were very few executives early on who actually understood how to evaluate talent and assemble teams. Sure, talent may have been concentrated at different periods throughout the history, but that doesn’t mean there were “super teams” in a modern context, back in the 60s. To suggest such a thing, when what was actually happening is “red Auerbach is the only person who actually understands what basketball is”, is pretty stupid IMO
Clearly two arguments from teo separate fanbases, but you also need to understand one thing. People want to see superstars be superstars. It’s good for the league. When face of the league players are surrounded by poor talent it diminishes the quality of the game (Kobe 2007, Bron early Cavs, etc). 2017 was an anomaly for crippling the league by destroying all sense of parity tho
@@TheEloka123the rating in 2017 were far better than what is now. Fans like super teams. Whether they want admit or not. I hated the heat but i watched a lot of their games to see them lose. Hater shi? Yes, but they did their job of getting viewers
If the Nets just stayed on the court they could’ve been the 2020s version of the Heatles. That big 3 offensively was the greatest collection of talent ever assembled and would’ve wrecked the league if injuries and other factors didn’t impact them.
The Nets were actively sabotaged by Adam Silver behind the scenes that season and they did a great job of making most people think it was just injuries and bad luck😅😅
@@bamidelakin-np2ubsilver making the vaccine mandated for nets players and not away players never made sense but clearly the leagues way of sabotaging them
And i couldn't be happier. Today's game is old school meets new school. A couple superstars don't guarantee your success anymore. Proper ball movement, strict defense and building a ball club from the ground up. I'm not the biggest fan of the 3 point dominant offense but its pretty to watch when teams got it going. It could be because i am an Oklahoma City fan and its a very exciting season for us, but i haven't had so much fun with an NBA season in a few years.
The new CBA has destroyed the opportunity for super teams. The thing is, for the popularity of the NBA as a whole, that’s actually a bad thing. All of us like to say we hate super teams but hate drives engagement.
Generous of you to call them casuals. They in reality are braindead inbreds that worship everything media throws at them. Those aren't fans, those are lunatics.
@@titaninsane It makes zero business sense to care about what self-righteous so-called “real fans” want because they’ll watch either way. You’ll watch D’lo be a tank commander against a mediocre Lakers team just like you’d tune into LeBron vs. Steph just like you’d tune into Kobe and Shaq’s threepeat. You’re glued to the game regardless. We can feel super cool and different for having a “real” appreciation of the game all we want, but if the league wants to get out of the rut they’re currently in, they have to recognize “casuals” matter.
@@ClareAmel Well, I'm glad the NBA didn't agree with you on this and pushed the 2nd apron through. Hate based engagement is corpo crap that will destroy the planet.
It’s the era of the big 2 + depth now. Every contending team out there has two superstars, paired with like 3-4 excellent supporting players. For example, the Celtics (Tatum and Brown, supported by Jrue, White, KP, and Pritchard), the Knicks (Brunson and KAT, supported by Bridges, OG, and Hart), and Cavs (Spida and Garland, supported by Mobley, Allen, and LeVert). Thunder are the only exception, as they have 1 superstar with like 6-7 excellent supporting players
That's cap. Murray hasn't been good in the playoffs since the Nuggets won their championship. Other than that Murray has not been that good in the regular season and only had a couple of good playoff series.
And those Miami Heat teams were favored in the finals every year and still only won 2 titles. They easily should have won at least 3 or 4 titles if not more.
i appreciate the inclusion of the mid-2010s cavs. i think a lot of people overlook the fact that they’re a very well well constructed team and practically a superteam as well. made those cavs/warriors matchups even more exciting
They were a superteam. Kyrie was one of the best scorers in the league at the time and Kevin Love was a top ten player before he went to Cleveland. And they had a a really good supporting cast around them too
A super team? Really? A fringe all star An all star, Kyrie was not a superstar in 2016 he was averaging 19 a game And a superstar This literally describes the 2021 bucks, 2019 raptors, 2010 lakers like what the fuck?
Yeah but that’s borderline impossible with the way contracts and the second-apron works now. Signing 3 free agent superstars making $50 mil or more is already $150,000,000- which is $10 mil over the first apron. That leaves you limited to either signing a bunch of bums on vet minimums or hoping the guys in their rookie contracts play above their salary for a year- which usually doesn’t work out.
Yeah quite impossible you either got to trade them for the superstar or have them in cheap contracts where you can just sign them. Extremely hard to in todays cba
and if all the superstars could actually be on the court at the same time for the majority of the season instead of having pieces out at any given time from injury
Teams missed the * where not every one of the superstars on a super team are ball hogs, for example- Klay and Steph, they both know how to shoot but both also know when and how to pass. Something that's clearly missing from the Suns, where all 3 guys are ball hogs and the 'main guys'.
I agree Boston is a superteam. But teams that become superteams through drafting well like OKC is a lot different that teams that bring in developed superstars like Boston
@@alexescutia4805 Nah, there needs to be a distinction between what the teams in this video did, which is trading or signing FAs to make your superteam, vs. bringing in someone to complete your team, or just getting better. Cavs weren't a superteam for the last two years, but this year with 2 years of chemistry and a new coach, they are balling out. OKC doesn't even have their 2nd or 3rd best player on the court, so how are they are superteam? Just because they are winning? That's not what a Super Team is.
@@shorewall so the kd nets weren’t a superteam since their stats were consistently hurt? Having 3 all star level guys with a pretty good team around them has been the standard for super teams
Boston doesn't have any superstars that they brought in from trades or free agency. Jrue Holiday, Derrick White and Porzingis are far from superstars. Tatum and Brown were both drafted by Boston
This new salary restriction would definitly put an end to the superteam era, i doub that players would prefer to not get paid in their prime for a ring
1999 Houston (Hakeem, Pippin, Barkley) were the first superteam as in a team with 3 star players but they weren’t in or even near their prime. Same goes for the 2004 Lakers who only had two (Kobe and Shaq) of their four star players in or near their prime. Malone and Payton were way past their prime. 2008 Boston was therefore the first superteam with all three star players in or near their prime.
U forgot the Kuzma, Beal and Porziņģis Wizards, ik some people are looking at that and our going, "thats not a superteam". Someone needed to tell the Wizards front office that, they were hyping this up like it was they were acting like they were going to win a title. Biggest moment of delusion in NBA history potentially, for that alone they should've been mentioned.
@@Christo_Trismegistus I have no idea where you got "2 years removed from being a starting caliber player" from, because Boogie was an all-star averaging 25/13/5 while playing next to AD the previous year. Sure, you could say no one knew what to expect from him coming off a season-ending ACL injury. But by no means the general feeling towards this move was that Boogie was a "Shell of a player he used to be".
For an extended period of time/ being built through free agency, yes. However through extremely good drafting and well thought out trades/acquisitions, I think they will live on. The Cavs Thunder and Celtics are all stacked beyond belief and deeper than any of the “super teams” of the 2010s
Dont do that. Kawhi was on a heater that series. Besides, Warriors were favorite to beat the Raptors even without KD in the beginning of the Finals. Dont vet pissy cause Portland dont have a title since Bill Walton.
I don't think the Celtics are ever counted because it wasn't formed by players, the front office put those moves together like the teams of old i.e Classic Celtics, Lakers, Detroit all built through draft picks and trades via the front office
The Superteam era started in 1999 with the Rockets. They had Hakeem, Barkley, and Pippen on their squad. The '08 Celtics weren't even the first superteam that Garnett was apart of, he will say this himself that the first time the phrase "Big Three" was used to describe a team was with the '04 Timberwolves. You also had the Jailblazers and the '04 Lakers which definitely fit in the category of Superteams. Heck with the criteria, the 3-peat repeat Bulls could also be categorized as a Superteam.
There will always be super teams whether they’ll work or not is up for debate but the reason these latest ones failed is due to the organization not knowing how to make a fit and young superteam that actually fits. I also forget in just a few short years certain players will be making 100 million dollars per year. So unless Adam silver gets rid of the salary cap rule perhaps superteams will truly be dead
Tbf, Celts got KG that one season and was never the same after he got injured the next year. Ray and Paul weren’t the same after 08 too they were definitely on a downhill trajectory after their title
What do you think a super team is? They first started calling the Lebron Heat a super team, and then every team was trying to build a Big 3 to match them. That's what a superteam means, like a superstar compared to just a star.
super teams will always happen overtime but weather it's effective is questionable. You still need the right personell and chemistry to get everything right
I think the turn "superteam" are made only because superstars make a blockbuster decision, either by trade or free agency. and so the superteams are "dead" only because no one is on that LeBron KD caliber or more so no one pulling off crazy shenanigans.
KD and LeBron, players that let their team behind because they're not good enough to win with them. I'll be happy if it does stop happening. Maybe with less superteams, players will actually strive to make their team good enough, instead of joining a better team to get a shortcut to a ring.
@mekacrab you say shit like this, but do you really think Lebron wouldve won any rings if he stayed in Cleveland in that 1st stint? You wouldve been calling him a bust today if he hadnt won any ring. Easy for someone on the couch to say shit like this, but think about what these players are thinking at that moment.
@mekacrab KD, who was a 4 time scoring champion and MVP, wasn't good enough to win a title. LeBron, a B2B MVP, yearly DPOY candidate and scoring champ, wasn't good enough to win a title. It couldn't have been their supporting cast who heavily underperformed but no, blame it on the teams best players
@ First of all, I'm not "blaming" anyone here, just stating facts. There's no shame in not winning a title. Although I am blaming players that leave to better teams. Nobody said it was or should be easy to win a title in the best league in the world, obviously it's a team sports, so winning doesn't only depends on them. But we are too often blaming GMs or coaches when it's the players that are out there playing. How the heck do you think they did in the 80s and 90s ? Superstars didn't constantly switch teams, and yet they still won. Weird isn't it. Maybe some of them are better than others.
@ Well, I know some players that would have persevered and would have won eventually, despite not winning anything in their first 10 years with a team. Todays players are impatient, and only think about ring chasing. They don't even want to deserve their win anymore. No competitive spirit. I believe LeBron would have won eventually with the Cavs, assuming he was good enough for that. But they can't wait and work towards a title, they just want it isntantly. Instead they'll blame the GM or coach for the lack of help or whatnot.
The reason super teams are failing today is because stats are locked in with the teams that gave them their max contracts. The cap space on nba teams can’t provide like it used to. Bron/Wade and Steph/KD were all top 3-5 players in the league. No super team recently has had that kind of duo
I think the real issue is you can’t put together all stars past their prime and expect them to win. Super team on paper but not in reality. See how the Heat and Warriors had success but all the other teams were old.
I would not be that certain... for 4 reasons: a) Stars in the modern era want to play together. They will take pay cuts, so they can play together. Just look at the Knicks. b) Veteran role players will still chase their ring in their later years. They will sign for the veteran minimum to help themselves and a Super Team to that title. And there will be the next Shane Battier signing on below market value. Battier earned 47 million, before he joined the Heat. He took a massive pay cut to join that Super Team. With the amount of money being thrown at players, taking pay cuts will become easier every year. Over 100 players made 50+ Million on their current contract. Not for their entire career, but over 4 or 5 years. Eventually some of these players will realize, that it won't matter for them, if they make 110 or 150 million Dollars over their career. But winning that illusive Ring? Or a 2nd one? c) The next television deal is coming. Which will lead to a big jump in cap space, which will lead to a lot of GMs throwing around money at stars. That Warriors Super Team only became possible, due to that spike in the salary cap. d) Bad owners and bad GMs will make bad decisions. And most of these failed Super Teams come down to exactly that: An incompetent owner fulfilling his video game fantasy. A GM then overpaying for that fantasy.
Regarding superteams derailed by injuries - the best ability is availability. If you can't stay on the court, you must not actually be that super *cough Anthony Day-to-Dayvis cough*
Superteams dont work because teams nowadays build them wrong. There is no modern superteam that found success that was build primarly by trades. The Heat signed Lebron and Bosh in free agency and Golden State got KD in free agency aswell. Every other team gutted their roaster and financial flexibility because they traded for one or two of their stars. The Nets *almost* worked, KD and Kyrie again joined on a free, but failed due to poor roster construction and injuries. The Suns for example went cavemen and saw "3 starplayers = win" without considering the circumstances superteams worked in the past. If youd have a team today with one to two star players that gets other stars in free agency without losing their depth, that team would work aswell. For the next offseason there are no real examples because the only available star is brandon ingram, but if the Magic f.e. with Franz and Banchero would add an established star in free agency in two to three years, theyd be a superteam no doubt.
Yeah, but I think teams don't let their players get to FA any more. They either sign them and make a trade later, or they trade them to a team who can sign them. However, it will be interesting how the 2nd apron changes things. It won't be smart anymore to just sign players that you don't want, just to save the asset. If players like Randle and Ingram go to FA, then it will be interesting how that shapes up. They aren't the best players to be a part of something, and PG was a bad choice as well.
Yah I don’t think it’s over just makes no sense right now with teams like OKC and Cleveland that go deep and OKC is going to be a problem for a long time with the strategy they rolled out
For me, the NBA ended after 2010. Ever since this player empowerment celebrity BS started, the actual competition died. The thing they play nowadays, you can't even call it basketball.
@@peterakinrinade5170 He was the original owner of the Brooklyn Nets when they move to Brooklyn and he was the guy who hired Billy King to be the general manager of the team, which didn't end very well.
It really depends on the circumstances Like the heat big three, they really just have the guy to walk into their building and sign a contract with them Also the superteam needs to be two superstar at least top5. I think the nets really have that talent if they are not hurt For the suns and most of the other superteams case, they bring in a top superstar but with other star in around maybe top20-30 or even just a very “marginal” star. That of course will not work
Wait how aren't the 22-23 and 23-24 t-wolves not a super team when both ant and kat were all-stars, making max money and their team traded for the defensive player of the year in Rudy gobert?
I don’t know how the super team era is over 😂 I’d argue with the talent in the league it’s just that there are an overwhelming amount of super teams that it evens out until you reach like the 6th seed in the west and probably like 4th seeded east. With a bunch of potential super teams full of injuries off to the side
The logic behind “super teams” in the minds of most NBA fans is so flawed . How does free agency have anything to do with how “super” a team is? If we’re defining super teams as any team with a big 3 that consistently beats their competition, then the Bulls were one of the first super teams, with Jordan, Pippen and Rodman (3 hall of famers) to suggest a team is any less “super” (which essentially just means a stacked team) just because they didn’t acquire those guys in free agency is Braindead, and we need to stop letting people try to get away with it. It’s another prime example of how we tolerate nonsense from sports fans as long as enough of them gang up together and try to push a narrative. Even if that narrative is completely flawed lol People are using the term “super team” backhandedly to dismiss and downplay the achievements of any stacked team that was assembled in free agency, simply because they hate when good teams are assembled via free agency, and they’re withholding that same label from other “super” teams of the same caliber, to make their achievements seem more worthy. The entire narrative is just one big attempt to manipulate the casual fan to root against stacked teams they don’t like.
i disagree the kd warriors and lebron heatles team were deep and both played elite defense i think thats what these gms are forgetting while making superteams also those teams had all there players in there prime/close to it and weren't injury prone
Idc what no one says, the Lebron heat “era” was a failure. 3 top 15 players in the league and went SECONDS away from going 1-4. After the whole “not 5, not 6.” I don’t see how any one can see it as anything other than a failure.
I’ll be back to this comment if the Portland Trailblazers are mentioned in this video.
7 minutes later, no Blazers mention. Is this the video to do it?
Rip - blazers mentioned at 8:34
@@brainbustersover9000almost there, brother. One day.
@@brainbustersover9000 Looks like they're getting closer lol
8:36 couldn’t get past lol
Seems like nowadays you need one superstar, one borderline superstar (as his side kick) and a good supporting cast
Glad the superteam era is over
It went back to 2000s and pre 2011 settings that’s more like it!!!!! 😂
@@jaychulo.Fonly thing left is to stop all these damn 3s
The superteam era was way better than this
I don't understand where this is coming from?
Last year's championship was the super team boston celtics...?
@@pimpnamedslickback7780it really was
Yeah, I agree considering the fact that the talent amount in the nba is way more than even just 7 years ago. Its just not possible anymore.
Add the cap space that teams must now carefully thread water with and now its way harder to keep players who want or have high contracts without gutting the roster.
@@nobitskiiowo5968I never really liked the second apron because that just felt completely unnecessary and the first apron was fine enough.
The Celtics are a superteam still.
idk the Celtics and Nuggets were legit superteams a la the 90s Bulls and 80s Celtics
@@Junyah_they’re a great team. They are closer to 2003 lakers than 2012 Miami
Definitely could have included the Clippers' Kawhi Leonard-Paul George-James Harden recent swing at creating a super team
I keep forgetting Kawhi is on the Clippers.
Did all 3 actually get on court? Cant remember
If that team exists in 2019 it’s the best team ever. Russ was still insane, Paul George had his best year, MVP Harden, Finals MVP Kawhi. Crazy that these guys are old now
@@riqo7385 they were on court together the whole season, just shows you’re a casual that doesn’t actually watch games, don’t have league pass, and just follow on social media. That’s why the clippers were winning so much, because they played together. Then Kawhi’s knee gave up as usual and he tried to play thru injury costing the clippers a playoff game loss to the Mavs and they ended up losing the series with kawhi on the bench the rest of it. I’m still trying to figure out why the Clippers make the move they ddi in the first place, I’ll never forget where I was when I looked at the TV and saw Kawhi eas demanding the Clippers get another proven veteran star for him to play with, or he would sign with the lakers. I told my boy there’s no way in hell the clippers are gonna trade the house to do that, and sure enough they traded away their budding young star for another injury prone star to land an injury prone star, both past their primes 😭 I feel bad for Harden, he led the league in assists his last year in Philly and helped embiid win an MVP, and dropped 40+ twice against Boston in the playoffs that season. He still had more left in him. And now he’s spending his final years on a bum ass clippers team with kawhi in street clothes.
@@kamicloudssbest team ever 😂
I personally just think the fit of these new big three/super teams is what is to blame. The ones that have been successful are the teams where all the guy fit each other and suit the way the other play and/or can cover for the deficiencies of the other players.
Yep. Heatles worked because Bosh sacrificed and became a stretch big. The KD-Russ-Harden Thunder worked because Harden came off the bench. The warriors worked because Steph, Klay, and KD could all play without the ball.
Many of these failed superteams were either old or terrible fits for each other.
@@mkgibertjrKyrie, Love and Lebron worked because Love sacrificed like Bosh
Exactly KD, Booker and Beal arent even a real superteam and they dont fit
@Chris56076 💯 agree on all points ✊🏽
The super team era is never over. It just comes and goes. A lot of younger NBA fans don't remember the NBA already went through this in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. The 60s had super teams. The 70s had parity. And then the 80s went back to super teams.
Yeah back in the stone age when there were less than 20 teams
Dude the league’s parity is MUCH more meaningful now than ever, most teams ever and highest level of skill ever. The NBA championship is turning into a superbowl in terms of difficulty to win
Saying that there were super teams in the 60s is ignoring the fact that there was only like 14 teams😂😂
no, there were not super teams, nor was player empowerment and free agency remotely similar to it is today
Yes, there were very few executives early on who actually understood how to evaluate talent and assemble teams.
Sure, talent may have been concentrated at different periods throughout the history, but that doesn’t mean there were “super teams” in a modern context, back in the 60s.
To suggest such a thing, when what was actually happening is “red Auerbach is the only person who actually understands what basketball is”, is pretty stupid IMO
The superteam made sense back in the day because the 3 stars would actually play together without load management and were actually good at basketball
2017: "The Warriors are so stacked they have too many stars😫😫😫
2025: "Steph needs to win 5 championships, get him more stars Joe Lacob!!!"😫😫😫
Oh how things change, for real tho it would be cinema to see Steph win another title.
Clearly two arguments from teo separate fanbases, but you also need to understand one thing. People want to see superstars be superstars. It’s good for the league. When face of the league players are surrounded by poor talent it diminishes the quality of the game (Kobe 2007, Bron early Cavs, etc). 2017 was an anomaly for crippling the league by destroying all sense of parity tho
@@TheEloka123the rating in 2017 were far better than what is now. Fans like super teams. Whether they want admit or not. I hated the heat but i watched a lot of their games to see them lose. Hater shi? Yes, but they did their job of getting viewers
It’ll be back. History repeats itself.
history rhymes
Not anytime soon. The new CBA heavily punishes teams for it
@@thuggwaffle8825exactly
Dont forget Cavs legend Andrew Bynum he played 24 games for us too
Pacers legend
76ers legend
If the Nets just stayed on the court they could’ve been the 2020s version of the Heatles. That big 3 offensively was the greatest collection of talent ever assembled and would’ve wrecked the league if injuries and other factors didn’t impact them.
The Nets were actively sabotaged by Adam Silver behind the scenes that season and they did a great job of making most people think it was just injuries and bad luck😅😅
Not with that hack of a coach they had.
Finally someone smart. And ever year they have chance to sign, trade for upset defensive player of veteran to take over the top.
@@bamidelakin-np2ubsilver making the vaccine mandated for nets players and not away players never made sense but clearly the leagues way of sabotaging them
True but those Nets were so bad defensively that they had to score 130+ to win games because they weren’t a great defensive team.
And i couldn't be happier. Today's game is old school meets new school. A couple superstars don't guarantee your success anymore. Proper ball movement, strict defense and building a ball club from the ground up. I'm not the biggest fan of the 3 point dominant offense but its pretty to watch when teams got it going. It could be because i am an Oklahoma City fan and its a very exciting season for us, but i haven't had so much fun with an NBA season in a few years.
The new CBA has destroyed the opportunity for super teams. The thing is, for the popularity of the NBA as a whole, that’s actually a bad thing. All of us like to say we hate super teams but hate drives engagement.
It drives engagement for casuals. Real fans prefer parity.
Generous of you to call them casuals. They in reality are braindead inbreds that worship everything media throws at them. Those aren't fans, those are lunatics.
@@titaninsane It makes zero business sense to care about what self-righteous so-called “real fans” want because they’ll watch either way. You’ll watch D’lo be a tank commander against a mediocre Lakers team just like you’d tune into LeBron vs. Steph just like you’d tune into Kobe and Shaq’s threepeat. You’re glued to the game regardless. We can feel super cool and different for having a “real” appreciation of the game all we want, but if the league wants to get out of the rut they’re currently in, they have to recognize “casuals” matter.
Yup, you couldn't be more right
@@ClareAmel Well, I'm glad the NBA didn't agree with you on this and pushed the 2nd apron through. Hate based engagement is corpo crap that will destroy the planet.
It’s the era of the big 2 + depth now. Every contending team out there has two superstars, paired with like 3-4 excellent supporting players. For example, the Celtics (Tatum and Brown, supported by Jrue, White, KP, and Pritchard), the Knicks (Brunson and KAT, supported by Bridges, OG, and Hart), and Cavs (Spida and Garland, supported by Mobley, Allen, and LeVert). Thunder are the only exception, as they have 1 superstar with like 6-7 excellent supporting players
And then there's the Nuggets with Jokic carrying the whole team
@@mr.tennisballs955bro stop he has Murray
@@SwaggySimon20show me his all star/all nba teams made.On top of that he’s injury prone
@@pragunahuja6879 doesn’t matter. Murray is known to be a playoff raiser. So jokic didn’t do it by himself
That's cap. Murray hasn't been good in the playoffs since the Nuggets won their championship. Other than that Murray has not been that good in the regular season and only had a couple of good playoff series.
Definitely after that failure of the Nets Big Three in the modern era should have been a sign that super teams and big threes don’t work at all
@@nvm9040 man I remember how scared I was of that team when they first assembled 😭 should've known how it would play out.
Something About A Duo /Back And Forth Commentary Is Great All These Videos Never Miss Feels Like Im The Third Person In Yalls Podcast Talk
In 2010 Wade, Lebron and Bosh were the 1,2 and 4 ranked players in the East. Never happened before or since.
Lebron fans love to act like it was not a super team.
And those Miami Heat teams were favored in the finals every year and still only won 2 titles. They easily should have won at least 3 or 4 titles if not more.
@@petersonofleo11 IKR? Trying to rewrite history like always
@@wallacejordancromwell765 The funny thing is that they try to act like Dirk had more help than Lebron on 2011.
i appreciate the inclusion of the mid-2010s cavs. i think a lot
of people overlook the fact that they’re a very well well constructed team and practically a superteam as well. made those cavs/warriors matchups even more exciting
They were a superteam. Kyrie was one of the best scorers in the league at the time and Kevin Love was a top ten player before he went to Cleveland. And they had a a really good supporting cast around them too
A super team? Really?
A fringe all star
An all star, Kyrie was not a superstar in 2016 he was averaging 19 a game
And a superstar
This literally describes the 2021 bucks, 2019 raptors, 2010 lakers like what the fuck?
Superteams could still work if teams actually have good role players that are put around the big 3.
Yeah but that’s borderline impossible with the way contracts and the second-apron works now. Signing 3 free agent superstars making $50 mil or more is already $150,000,000- which is $10 mil over the first apron.
That leaves you limited to either signing a bunch of bums on vet minimums or hoping the guys in their rookie contracts play above their salary for a year- which usually doesn’t work out.
Yeah quite impossible you either got to trade them for the superstar or have them in cheap contracts where you can just sign them. Extremely hard to in todays cba
and if all the superstars could actually be on the court at the same time for the majority of the season instead of having pieces out at any given time from injury
I love the era of having great or elite teams win the rings over Superteams
3:15 Kg really pulled a Jayson Tatum after the championship
😂😂
I just ordered the most BUSTIN tacos and you guys drop this at the same time? Bruh.
Teams missed the * where not every one of the superstars on a super team are ball hogs, for example- Klay and Steph, they both know how to shoot but both also know when and how to pass.
Something that's clearly missing from the Suns, where all 3 guys are ball hogs and the 'main guys'.
I have no idea how this would fit into y'all's schedule, but I absolutely would love to listen to a Synthetic Sports podcast!
Great episode 💪🏾
I am completely okay with not having super teams. I just want to watch good basketball from many different teams.
Celtics have a super team. I would say Cavs have one, OKC is close but they have the best bench in the league and chemistry
I agree Boston is a superteam. But teams that become superteams through drafting well like OKC is a lot different that teams that bring in developed superstars like Boston
@@thuggwaffle8825not really a superteam is a superteam
@@alexescutia4805 Nah, there needs to be a distinction between what the teams in this video did, which is trading or signing FAs to make your superteam, vs. bringing in someone to complete your team, or just getting better. Cavs weren't a superteam for the last two years, but this year with 2 years of chemistry and a new coach, they are balling out. OKC doesn't even have their 2nd or 3rd best player on the court, so how are they are superteam? Just because they are winning? That's not what a Super Team is.
@@shorewall so the kd nets weren’t a superteam since their stats were consistently hurt? Having 3 all star level guys with a pretty good team around them has been the standard for super teams
Boston doesn't have any superstars that they brought in from trades or free agency. Jrue Holiday, Derrick White and Porzingis are far from superstars. Tatum and Brown were both drafted by Boston
This new salary restriction would definitly put an end to the superteam era, i doub that players would prefer to not get paid in their prime for a ring
Don't think the Superteam era is completely over - it will just adapt itself and evolve in this current landscape.
1999 Houston (Hakeem, Pippin, Barkley) were the first superteam as in a team with 3 star players but they weren’t in or even near their prime. Same goes for the 2004 Lakers who only had two (Kobe and Shaq) of their four star players in or near their prime. Malone and Payton were way past their prime. 2008 Boston was therefore the first superteam with all three star players in or near their prime.
U forgot the Kuzma, Beal and Porziņģis Wizards, ik some people are looking at that and our going, "thats not a superteam". Someone needed to tell the Wizards front office that, they were hyping this up like it was they were acting like they were going to win a title. Biggest moment of delusion in NBA history potentially, for that alone they should've been mentioned.
it more or less ended in 2019-2020 when more successful teams have been led by dynamic duos with bench depth
The 3 stars are paid a lot which takes up the teams salary cap so they have to pick up veterans or min level players, the supporting cast isnt there
You forget Boogie was on that 18 warriors team too lmfao shit was insane
And Boogie was a shell of the player he used to be. Cousins was like 2 years removed from being a starting caliber player when he was on the Warriors
@@Christo_Trismegistus I have no idea where you got "2 years removed from being a starting caliber player" from, because Boogie was an all-star averaging 25/13/5 while playing next to AD the previous year. Sure, you could say no one knew what to expect from him coming off a season-ending ACL injury. But by no means the general feeling towards this move was that Boogie was a "Shell of a player he used to be".
For an extended period of time/ being built through free agency, yes. However through extremely good drafting and well thought out trades/acquisitions, I think they will live on. The Cavs Thunder and Celtics are all stacked beyond belief and deeper than any of the “super teams” of the 2010s
Dont do that. Kawhi was on a heater that series. Besides, Warriors were favorite to beat the Raptors even without KD in the beginning of the Finals. Dont vet pissy cause Portland dont have a title since Bill Walton.
I don't think the Celtics are ever counted because it wasn't formed by players, the front office put those moves together like the teams of old i.e
Classic Celtics, Lakers, Detroit all built through draft picks and trades via the front office
The Superteam era started in 1999 with the Rockets. They had Hakeem, Barkley, and Pippen on their squad. The '08 Celtics weren't even the first superteam that Garnett was apart of, he will say this himself that the first time the phrase "Big Three" was used to describe a team was with the '04 Timberwolves. You also had the Jailblazers and the '04 Lakers which definitely fit in the category of Superteams. Heck with the criteria, the 3-peat repeat Bulls could also be categorized as a Superteam.
Super team have existed since the inception of the NBA, and those Cavs teams were not super teams.
lol, revisionist trash, just because a better super team stomped them, and Lebron chased away Kyrie.
Don't even know basketball card revoked@@shorewall
The late 90’s Houston teams. I’d consider them a superteam that didn’t win.
The NBA is dying regardless. The diva era has ruined the sport
The super team era is not over. You just need 5 elite players instead of three.
The bar got raised.
There will always be super teams whether they’ll work or not is up for debate but the reason these latest ones failed is due to the organization not knowing how to make a fit and young superteam that actually fits.
I also forget in just a few short years certain players will be making 100 million dollars per year. So unless Adam silver gets rid of the salary cap rule perhaps superteams will truly be dead
Tbf, Celts got KG that one season and was never the same after he got injured the next year. Ray and Paul weren’t the same after 08 too they were definitely on a downhill trajectory after their title
I don’t think it’s that super teams don’t work it’s that big 3s don’t work anymore.
What do you think a super team is? They first started calling the Lebron Heat a super team, and then every team was trying to build a Big 3 to match them. That's what a superteam means, like a superstar compared to just a star.
super teams will always happen overtime but weather it's effective is questionable. You still need the right personell and chemistry to get everything right
I think the turn "superteam" are made only because superstars make a blockbuster decision, either by trade or free agency.
and so the superteams are "dead" only because no one is on that LeBron KD caliber or more so no one pulling off crazy shenanigans.
KD and LeBron, players that let their team behind because they're not good enough to win with them.
I'll be happy if it does stop happening.
Maybe with less superteams, players will actually strive to make their team good enough, instead of joining a better team to get a shortcut to a ring.
@mekacrab you say shit like this, but do you really think Lebron wouldve won any rings if he stayed in Cleveland in that 1st stint? You wouldve been calling him a bust today if he hadnt won any ring. Easy for someone on the couch to say shit like this, but think about what these players are thinking at that moment.
@mekacrab KD, who was a 4 time scoring champion and MVP, wasn't good enough to win a title. LeBron, a B2B MVP, yearly DPOY candidate and scoring champ, wasn't good enough to win a title. It couldn't have been their supporting cast who heavily underperformed but no, blame it on the teams best players
@ First of all, I'm not "blaming" anyone here, just stating facts. There's no shame in not winning a title.
Although I am blaming players that leave to better teams.
Nobody said it was or should be easy to win a title in the best league in the world, obviously it's a team sports, so winning doesn't only depends on them. But we are too often blaming GMs or coaches when it's the players that are out there playing. How the heck do you think they did in the 80s and 90s ? Superstars didn't constantly switch teams, and yet they still won. Weird isn't it. Maybe some of them are better than others.
@ Well, I know some players that would have persevered and would have won eventually, despite not winning anything in their first 10 years with a team.
Todays players are impatient, and only think about ring chasing. They don't even want to deserve their win anymore. No competitive spirit.
I believe LeBron would have won eventually with the Cavs, assuming he was good enough for that. But they can't wait and work towards a title, they just want it isntantly. Instead they'll blame the GM or coach for the lack of help or whatnot.
I noted this 2 years ago, and being a nobody, none would bother listening to me. The same is also happening in football/soccer.
2:42 I'd say the first super team is the 60´lakers. Jerry West, Elgin Baylor and Wilt Chamberlain. That is a BIG 3.
The reason super teams are failing today is because stats are locked in with the teams that gave them their max contracts. The cap space on nba teams can’t provide like it used to. Bron/Wade and Steph/KD were all top 3-5 players in the league. No super team recently has had that kind of duo
The irony of this video is that if Jokic had like, one more All-Star, that would probably bring back the super team era
There's a lot of very good players in this era, so having a deep team is a must to win the championship
Norman powel said it best. Addition by subtraction
When we gonna get some wrestling videos? We all here that Roman reigns theme at the end of y’all’s videos 😂
I think the real issue is you can’t put together all stars past their prime and expect them to win. Super team on paper but not in reality. See how the Heat and Warriors had success but all the other teams were old.
Kinda funny you guys mentioned how the Celtics didn’t trade a lot of assets for KG lmao. Look at what the Lakers got for trading Shaq
the Nets' Big 3, with KD, Kyrie, and Harden, were fantastic when they actually played.
I would not be that certain... for 4 reasons:
a) Stars in the modern era want to play together. They will take pay cuts, so they can play together. Just look at the Knicks.
b) Veteran role players will still chase their ring in their later years. They will sign for the veteran minimum to help themselves and a Super Team to that title. And there will be the next Shane Battier signing on below market value. Battier earned 47 million, before he joined the Heat. He took a massive pay cut to join that Super Team.
With the amount of money being thrown at players, taking pay cuts will become easier every year. Over 100 players made 50+ Million on their current contract. Not for their entire career, but over 4 or 5 years. Eventually some of these players will realize, that it won't matter for them, if they make 110 or 150 million Dollars over their career. But winning that illusive Ring? Or a 2nd one?
c) The next television deal is coming. Which will lead to a big jump in cap space, which will lead to a lot of GMs throwing around money at stars. That Warriors Super Team only became possible, due to that spike in the salary cap.
d) Bad owners and bad GMs will make bad decisions. And most of these failed Super Teams come down to exactly that: An incompetent owner fulfilling his video game fantasy. A GM then overpaying for that fantasy.
People seem to forget that Boston had the first super team of that decade with Pierce Allen and Garnett
The Celtics are still doing pretty good I'd say
The Black Ops Cold War lobby music goes so hard each time 😂
I knew I wasn’t tripping, I always thought the intro sounded very familiar
Can you guys make a video on James Jones’s career? He was one of the luckiest players
Regarding superteams derailed by injuries - the best ability is availability. If you can't stay on the court, you must not actually be that super *cough Anthony Day-to-Dayvis cough*
Rubio-Curry-Brewer-Kevin Love-Al Jefferson+good roles players was wrong in era 2010s wouldve been elite 2020's
Superteam is over, meanwhile Celtics has 2 superstars, 2 all defensive team selection and a unicorn 7 footer. Surely it's over.
Biggest thing about the superteams, fit matters. PHX and Russ in LA were not good basketball fits
Superteams dont work because teams nowadays build them wrong. There is no modern superteam that found success that was build primarly by trades. The Heat signed Lebron and Bosh in free agency and Golden State got KD in free agency aswell. Every other team gutted their roaster and financial flexibility because they traded for one or two of their stars. The Nets *almost* worked, KD and Kyrie again joined on a free, but failed due to poor roster construction and injuries. The Suns for example went cavemen and saw "3 starplayers = win" without considering the circumstances superteams worked in the past.
If youd have a team today with one to two star players that gets other stars in free agency without losing their depth, that team would work aswell. For the next offseason there are no real examples because the only available star is brandon ingram, but if the Magic f.e. with Franz and Banchero would add an established star in free agency in two to three years, theyd be a superteam no doubt.
Yeah, but I think teams don't let their players get to FA any more. They either sign them and make a trade later, or they trade them to a team who can sign them. However, it will be interesting how the 2nd apron changes things. It won't be smart anymore to just sign players that you don't want, just to save the asset. If players like Randle and Ingram go to FA, then it will be interesting how that shapes up. They aren't the best players to be a part of something, and PG was a bad choice as well.
Tell me rn the Celtics aren’t a super team
Yah I don’t think it’s over just makes no sense right now with teams like OKC and Cleveland that go deep and OKC is going to be a problem for a long time with the strategy they rolled out
There are two men we must thank for ruining the Superteam Era. Kawhi Leonard and Giannis Antetokounmpo.
Or James Harden maybe
Dirk kinda landed an early blow.
For me, the NBA ended after 2010. Ever since this player empowerment celebrity BS started, the actual competition died. The thing they play nowadays, you can't even call it basketball.
You guys should do a “how an oligarch ruined the nba” video. The Celtics would never be this good if prokhorov wasn’t such an incompetent moron
Who is Prokorov?
Pleas explain
@@peterakinrinade5170 He was the original owner of the Brooklyn Nets when they move to Brooklyn and he was the guy who hired Billy King to be the general manager of the team, which didn't end very well.
It really depends on the circumstances
Like the heat big three, they really just have the guy to walk into their building and sign a contract with them
Also the superteam needs to be two superstar at least top5. I think the nets really have that talent if they are not hurt
For the suns and most of the other superteams case, they bring in a top superstar but with other star in around maybe top20-30 or even just a very “marginal” star. That of course will not work
The OK3 killed me. 😂
It's over but not just because of what you guys said. The new CBA killed it. Too many penalties for getting 3 max or near max players.
So glad the superteam era is over Glad my Nuggets didn't need a superteam to win a Chip 💯👏🏾
Player empowerment at the cost of fans and parity. Wasn't worth it
Wait how aren't the 22-23 and 23-24 t-wolves not a super team when both ant and kat were all-stars, making max money and their team traded for the defensive player of the year in Rudy gobert?
Saying the Celtics traded nothing for KG is insane, Al Jefferson was a massive trade chip
Lol.
Pau and Kobe did it as a duo makes me mad bro. Odom and bynum did their part
I totally agree, they had a great big man rotation that complimented Kobe perfectly.
They aren’t even a super team when KD joined them. Again they were organically built, and they added one superstar.
Yeah, by the rules of the video, I agree.
So many pretentious superteams nowadays with GMs mismanaging their whole franchise's future
"They were gutting a roster that won 24 games" at that point the guts aren't worth anything lmao
Precisely a super team on rookie contracts is the key to a dynasty.
Damn I almost thought you were FlightMike with how your voice sounds in the first 5 seconds of this video, almost made me close UA-cam 😂😂😂
SGA, Jdub, and Chet would like a word
KD on the Warriors was not a super team. They added one player to their regular roster.
Why do people keep on bringing up 2016 and 2017? What the 2011 mavs ring or the 2014 spurs ring. It seems like people just started watching in 2015
Yall missed how suns also had cp3 booker and Durant for that one season. Similarly boston kinda had a big 3 with prozingis JT and JB
The CBA put the final nail in the coffin
1/20/2025…..it is appropriate to release this video
Your right, super super team is in
I don’t know how the super team era is over 😂 I’d argue with the talent in the league it’s just that there are an overwhelming amount of super teams that it evens out until you reach like the 6th seed in the west and probably like 4th seeded east. With a bunch of potential super teams full of injuries off to the side
Was the showtime lakers not a super team ?
The Cold War music 👀
The logic behind “super teams” in the minds of most NBA fans is so flawed . How does free agency have anything to do with how “super” a team is? If we’re defining super teams as any team with a big 3 that consistently beats their competition, then the Bulls were one of the first super teams, with Jordan, Pippen and Rodman (3 hall of famers) to suggest a team is any less “super” (which essentially just means a stacked team) just because they didn’t acquire those guys in free agency is Braindead, and we need to stop letting people try to get away with it. It’s another prime example of how we tolerate nonsense from sports fans as long as enough of them gang up together and try to push a narrative. Even if that narrative is completely flawed lol
People are using the term “super team” backhandedly to dismiss and downplay the achievements of any stacked team that was assembled in free agency, simply because they hate when good teams are assembled via free agency, and they’re withholding that same label from other “super” teams of the same caliber, to make their achievements seem more worthy. The entire narrative is just one big attempt to manipulate the casual fan to root against stacked teams they don’t like.
The Suns were never a superteam ya’ll crazy. Only 2 superteams we’ve seen are the Heat and the Warriors
i disagree the kd warriors and lebron heatles team were deep and both played elite defense
i think thats what these gms are forgetting while making superteams also those teams had all there players in there prime/close to it and weren't injury prone
Idc what no one says, the Lebron heat “era” was a failure. 3 top 15 players in the league and went SECONDS away from going 1-4. After the whole “not 5, not 6.” I don’t see how any one can see it as anything other than a failure.
What about the "I'm Always Hurt" era?