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Phil Mickelson pressed down grass that was in his line of play. Why was this a penalty?
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A.
Phil is seen here pressing down grass on his Line of Play, which as per Rule 8.1, is a no-no.
You are not permitted to improve the conditions affecting your stroke including by moving, bending or breaking any growing or attached natural object (e.g. grass).
This situation occurred before the Rule changes of 2019, so the player would have to accept the penalty, even if they re-teed their ball in another part of the teeing area, or went and restored the grass to its former position.
HOWEVER, from 2019 the player could have tried to restore the conditions as nearly as possible so that the improvement created by the original breach is eliminated, to avoid incurring a penalty.
BUT you couldn't avoid the penalty if the improvement couldn't be eliminated, EVEN if you re-teed your ball somewhere else.
Rule 8.1d
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I’ve been a lifetime golfer and all I can say is there are a lot of stupid rules in golf.
But this isn't one of them
@@dopeydonaldtrump3744 Oh yes it is, stepping on some waving grass before he hit a tee shot is a ludicrous rule and most people agree. Biden is a corrupt career politician.
@@dr.pendyke4887 - 2 stupid remarks in one response. He didn't step on the grass because it's waving bothered him. He stepped on it because he wanted to hit a low shot and he felt he might hit that "waving grass". Next time a tree is in my way, can I chop it down??
The second stupid remark was to interject politics when it wasn't a topic of conversation, but since you made it a topic, how many college exams have you taken for that genius Lysol injector Dopey Donald Skunk?
@@dr.pendyke4887 Well said
DopeyDonald Trump Fixing a divot should be considered altering the golf course then
Can we just all talk about what a gentleman Phil Mickelson is here? No tantrum, no throwing his toys, all class.
He leaves his toys at home for that very reason.
yeah he was on camera 📷 tho lol
he's a douche and a half if he isn't on camera real talk
@@bonethirsty Why? So I can tell you my story just to have you deny it lol
nah just either except or deny that your great yt golf hype is a doucher lol bye now 😂
@@bonethirsty I'm fine with that. As long as I'm douchier than you and your yt Boi golf hero I'm straight 🖕
He wiped a signed ball with his arse and then gave it to the rules official as a souvenir after the match was over.
Sometimes when my buddies are buying more beers from the beer cart girl I pick up my ball and throw it onto the green. Is that a penalty?
Only when someone calls you on it. EVERYTHING is legal, until you get caught.
I think it might be a penalty pint, need to check the book though.
@@brucemiller1696.. "EVERYTHING is legal, until you get caught" .. You might be thinking of hockey rather than golf, lol. (I've played both.) With over a hundred players playing on a playing field sometimes as large as 200 acres, if the players don't police themselves it all falls apart. It's a practical matter. On course officiating is the rare exception in golf, usually only seen at the highest levels. It makes the game kind of unique and in my mind largely explains the necessity of the how weird the rules seem. Things have to be really spelled out so they're not taken advantage of.
@@blujay9191 I mean for sure take it more seriously
lol in a tournament I think you'd be penalized 1 career.
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This deserved more likes.. ha!!
Patrick Reed said he did that all the time but he will never report it. 😂
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That is called good character way to go
It's good character if this was an amt event. It's just not being dumb on the PGA, as he knows there are at least 5 or 6 cameras on him at this time.
No, it’s called not wanting to get disqualified for failing to assess a penalty after breaking the rules lol
That's called cheating and pleading ignorance. I took my chainsaw with me golfing today and I cut a couple of trees down that were in my way. I figured since my ball wasn't in play it was completely legal.
Perhaps Phil M should have the water hazards pumped too.
Cheater cheater.
He knows the damn rules.
So do those commentators.
@@philserna3581 That is my point mate.. the original comment says that it's good character.. i just said that its PM not being a dumb cheat.
Good character is finding a wallet on the street and turning it in to a police station or contacting the owner. This is a case of “It’s easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask permission”.
What mystifies me is that people see the same video that I just saw and come away thinking negatively of him. How is that even possible? He violated the rule on purpose in a diabolical attempt to incur a penalty? All he had to do was what he himself mentioned which was to simply move the ball a bit on the tee and then he wouldn't have been penalized. What I saw was a guy absentmindedly stomping down same grass that was barely in his way and then showing himself to be an honourable human being by alerting people to the fact that he might have violated the rules. If you hate Phil then fine but come on!
This happened a few weeks after his US Open debacle, and many believe this was a deliberate attempt to get the support of the people back, and show them that he is honourable.
@@GolfRulesQuestions Oh good God
Shut up nerds
@Abullet4Bolsheviks that's ridiculously silly
People who don't like Mickelson will think negatively of him just because they don't like him and it has nothing to do with this clip. That's just the way some people operate.
Love Phil. There was only a shadow of a doubt and he made sure to be on the up-and-up about it. Respectful to the game, respectful to his fellow competitors.
Phil = class act.
Calling it on himself... unsure... so he makes sure... then accepts the ruling with zero drama.
Were all pros like him.
When you make $60 million a year, you tend not to lose sleep over a penalty.
@@Notimp0rtant523 not necessarily... that obviously isn't a rule among other players (also making millions) that aren't so rules-conscious... I could name names, but don't think i have to
@@Notimp0rtant523 We all know athletes in all sports that make huge deals about penalties.
Patrick Reed accomplished this feat no less than an hour ago. Guess everyone missed it 😉
Highly rated comment.
I love how Phil instigated the convo. Classic Phil
honor rule game. Golfers need to police themselves. PGA tour pros especially because the film doesn't lie.. but if he just went on like nothing happened.. then he would be called out by the rules officials and penalized....and that looks really bad. Just ask Patrick Reed. lol
As much as I think Phil should have known, and I think he should have, I like that he turned himself in. Shows some honor.
Competitive golf is based on the honor system, which is rare in pro sports these days.
Why should he have known if the official had to call in for help as well? There were commentators that were pros talking as well as other golf experts talking and they weren't sure and even felt like it was not a penalty.
It all gets reviewed anyway
@@dr.pendyke4887 pga tour isn’t anymore, coverage on every shot from every player now
What he knew is that the grounds crew were to lazy to weed wack the little area in front of the tee area.
He called it on himself. End of story
That's what you do in golf!
Yep! Something Patrick Reed may want to learn from.
no he did not. a caddy said what he did might be illegal. mickleson then said he would hole out and ask somebody about it. he did ask though but it was a referee that called it. he did not call it on himself. if he had then why did he ask the ref?
@@domkelly1972 I know your comment was 6 months ago but still did you not watch the video? They played it three times and he said to the caddy first "I don't even know if what I just did is legal", then the caddy says I think you're fine. That's when he says he'll ask someone lol just sayin don't comment if you didn't even pay attention
That’s what I love about the game of golf! It really distinguishes itself from any other sporting competition in that you referee yourself! And if you don’t follow the rules, then you’re just hitting a small ball with a stick but you’re NOT playing golf! The most insulting thing you can call a golfer is a “cheater”! One of the greatest thing that anyone can say about you is that you’re a “golfer”! It takes a very special person to play this wonderful game called golf! ☮️🖖🏽
That is an excellent way to look at this game Ralph. I appreciate this comment so much, and there aren't enough thumbs-up to click on.
Why is it ok to move leaves off the green that are in your way before a put?
Not the same I guess. The green is a controlled surface its supposed to be clean.
The leaves are not attached to the turf. Same goes you can move twigs and other unattached debris as long as you don't move your ball. But you can't up root a tree or bush.
Your right. I completely forgot about that. Oops
Because it’s a loose impediment
It's a loose impediment
Why is this grass in play at the tee to begin with? THAT is the real question.
It is in the shot line.
@@ivandaniel08 I think he is asking why the grass right by the tee box is this long. I understand that course designers put trees and bunkers in players' way further down the fairway, but nothing around the tee box should be distracting you, especially during a tour event
There are many of top courses that the tour play on with this type of obsticles around the tee box including Augusta #18 over hanging trees.
@@cavaleir1 And we wouldn't condone a player on the tee bending a branch out of the way - nor moving grass.
Well, he didn’t lose his cool once he found out he committed a penalty. Class act imo
Say what now? He already knew he committed a penalty.
So your telling he knew he was committing a penalty BEFORE he moved the grass??😆
“It’s the only game I know that you can call a penalty on yourself, if your honest”
Hardy Greaves
Bagger Vance. Fantastic film
I had seen pros, after teeing up a ball, would step on the spot just behind the ball to flatten out the ground. How's that not a penalty while stepping on the tall grass in front of the ball is?
Rule 8.1b/5 will explain the difference
The Difference is What's INSIDE the Teeing Area and What's OUTSIDE of the Teeing Area.
You are allowed to create Any Lie you desire inside the Teeing Area.
Yeah, it's a breach, but realistically, the odds of him hitting that fescue....if it was a horse, you wouldn't bet on it.
No but it was in his view and could have bothered him. Golf is odd and I can understand moving it if it seems like it was poking out of your peripheral
probably more of a mental thing then hitting it Peter - he couldve teed off in another spot--thats a huge tee area
why did he move it then?
The tee box is clearly not supposed to have vegetation in front of it, so the tee box should obviously be exempt from the rule.
This dude makes amazing shots out of way crazier situations and he gonna move a grass blade.
"How do you violate a rule without a ball being in play?"
Very easily Jim Nance...now back to football.
Not Jim Nance
First time I've ever seen a pro believe he committed a violation and didn't call for an immediate ruling. 2 stroke lesson learned by Phil.
How honest is that??? He called it himself, no one would've even questioned it and he called himself out. Patrick reed take note.
Many would have questioned it, believe me. Phil Mickelson is honest, no doubt - but every movement on the course being captured in HD, from every conceivable angle, has to be part of every player's calculus.
It has the same effect on golf as cctv has on the public, in public spaces in the city.
Without waiting for the ruling, I just assumed it's a 2-stroke penalty to purposely alter anything that's growing/rooted. My guess is that applies to tall grass.
so i guess you can't walk on grass. you could alter it with your shoes.
@@DjBlakkTux I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. The key word is "purposely." If you're doing anything on purpose to alter your lie/shot (including traipsing over grass to improve your situation), it's a penalty.
@@reedr7142 i understand what you mean, thanks for clarifying. i just find the line to be a bit blurry at times. some players move leaves from the ground, some players take grass from the ground to check wind direction. i just feel like i've already seen players hold a branch or two with their body to make a shot in the woods. but i get your explanation about the official rule, which i didn't know, so thanks for that.
@@DjBlakkTux The point is purposely modifying something to improve your line of play. Phil didn't do it because he was concerned with the aesthetics of the course, he did it because he was going to hit a low shot and was concerned his ball might hit the grass that was sticking up. He modified the course to create an a advantage and clearly a violation. As for when your ball is in a bush or something, the rule is that you have to take your stance in the least obtrusive way possible - usually by "backing in." You don't get to position yourself so that you're holding back branches which might interfere, unless its only as a result of you taking your stance in the least obtrusive manner.
Then how can you walk into a hazard without altering the course?
OK, 1. He changed the condition of the course, prior to his ball being struck. Penalty.... accepted the decision as a true gentlemen that he is. Even after doing it, he considered if he had violated the rules, meaning that his intention is to follows the rules during play, so integrity involved, integrity proven, integrity intact.
And being acutely aware he’s being filmed, it would reflect poorly later if he had done that and been called on the carpet for it. Either way he knew better and instinctively called himself on it.
If the grass didn't break off or was removed how is that a penalty? I thought that so long as you didn't permanently remove something growing either on purpose or by accident, it's allowed. If my ball is underneath a tree and a branch is sticking in my back, I'm allowed to lean into the branch, bending it (so long as it doesn't break) so I can have a free swing at it. I know that's allowed because I've seen tour players do that many times when they are in the trees or bushes.
I love Phil cause I’m a gamesman like him. I love to use rules against people and use rules to my advantage. The thing is though when you’re like that, you gotta be like Phil and be honest as possible. Because you want to follow the rules, just maliciously
I love how 99% of the people in this clip don't even know all the rules lol.
And play pretty much everday and don't know half the rules i played with a many of golfers who do not have a clue.
Not ME .. "Know all the rules" ..That's quite a statement. The USGA used to have a yearly rules test contest. They may still do it, I dunno. I feel like I know the main rules better than most so I tried the contest once maybe about 30 years ago. It was filled with multiple infractions compounded on one another. It was a bloody nightmare. Ball halfway in bounds but in the caste of a burrowing animal that when struck hits a fellow competitor's equipment and you find out two shots later that you were playing the wrong damn ball all along. Crazy stuff like that. I bailed early on. I seem to recall that there was one guy, a dentist from somewhere in the midwest I think who aced it every year but I think he was about the only one.
@@blujay9191 why does it always seem to be a dentist ? 😅
Such an amazing game but holy some of these rules are dumb.
Here's an excerpt of the rule that he violated. In this case it's a bush instead of a fence.
8.1a/4 - Example of Moving, Bending or Breaking an Immovable Obstruction
Part of a fence that is situated out of bounds (and so is not a boundary object) leans onto the course and the player pushes it back into an upright position. This action breaches Rule 8.1a, which prohibits a player from improving conditions affecting the stroke by moving immovable obstructions. The player gets the general penalty unless the player restores the conditions by returning the fence to its original position before his or her next stroke as permitted by Rule 8.1c (Avoiding Penalty by Restoring Improved Conditions).
In such a situation, although Rule 8.1a prohibits moving, bending or breaking the immovable obstruction, the player has the option to take free relief from interference by the part of the immovable obstruction that is leaning onto the course under Rule 16.1b (Relief from Abnormal Course Conditions).
Yes, that is what is in the description text.
Good for Phil for recognising he might have acted without thinking it through. But I'm kind of surprised over the commentary. Phil is, if not "improving his lie", altering the course to improve the conditions for his next shot. He is clearly stomping on some growing grass, not moving a loose small twig.
I agree, but it's odd that he hadn't even begun play on the hole yet. His ball was not in play.
What if he were to walk up to that same spot to get a better look at the fairway and green and just stepped on that high grass as part of that walk? What would be the difference? How far down forward of the teebox are they allowed to go before hitting the ball?
That's ridiculous soon they'll tell me ripping out fistfulls of tall grass sourounding my ball causing it to move is somehow illegal
Good on Phil for his honesty!
Have the rules changed or would Tiger been assessed a penalty when the crowd held back tree branches. Are there separate rules for obstructions affecting swing path vs flight path?
When did the crowd hold back tree branches?
GolfRules Questions I thought I would be able to easily find it on the internet but I cannot. It was on one of the golf channel’s show “top 10”. I think that particular episode also included the time when he had the crowd move a boulder in a waste bunker. Maybe I was wrong about it being Tiger.
This is a pretty obvious rules violation. Good job by Phil to call it on himself. (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and not subscribe to any "he did this on purpose, then called it on himself to make himself look better after the US Open debacle where he putted a ball still in motion" theory.)
About 90% of the rules of golf can be boiled down to "don't mess around with the golf ball, hit your ball in the same condition as you found it", and "don't mess around with the golf course". There are specific examples of when you are allowed to mess with the ball (i.e. marking/cleaning a ball on the green, ground under repair) or mess with the course (loose impediments not part of the course, repair ball marks on your putting line), and the minutiae of the various rulings and sub-rulings are where it can get confusing.
How is this even a mystery? If your ball is in 2 foot high grass, are you allowed to tamp down the grass in front of your shot? How is this any different, especially since he's in a tee box and can move the ball for free anywhere within. And if he does not report the violation, his card handed in, anyone can call fowl and in the old days he would be DQ'd. Today, I think they call it the - "The, he did not mean to, and will not mean to do it again, ruling."
The really odd thing about this is that Phil's ball would have been about 3-4 feet above this grass when it reached the end of the tee box. There is no way in the world that the grass was ever going to interfere with his ball flight.
That was a brain-cramp in two parts.
THIS CHANEL IS GODDD
One of your n's somehow became two d's. Something to do with the caps-lock key, I suspect.
@@JiveDadson its gond?
It should be illegal for a golf course to have a possible obstruction six feet in front of a tee shot. Buy a weed whacker.
Or move the ball and tee it up 6 inches to the right or left.
Ian Grant . Maybe if he had re teed his ball up on a different line, it would have been good to go.
If 10 "rule officials" can't come up with the same rule interpretation / decision independently , the rule should be dropped for some golfers will be penalized, whereas others will not be, which is in itself a violation of the Spirit of Golf.
Just shows you how much the announcers know jack shit about the game
Good call
absolutely a penalty
If you try and alter the pathline of your ball by uprooting or tamping down any natural attached terrain (not loose items), it will be a penalty....pro golfers know this, Phil just had a momentary lapse in judgment, hence him coming clean about it instead of looking like a rank amateur.
had he moved his ball to another spot he would have been ok. That is the kicker there
Even a pro sometimes goes with the flow of his thoughts, and didnt think much of it. Happens, but altering the course to fit your play is a no-no.
I've forgotten more rounds of golf than I'll ever remember, but I'm pretty sure I've never seen this situation from the tee box before... honestly I didn't know which way this would go until the end of the video. "Well you can do that if you re-tee your ball afterwards." What a dumb rule.
This situation occurred before the Rule changes of 2019, so the player would have to accept the penalty, even if they re-teed their ball in another part of the teeing area, or went and restored the grass to its former position.
HOWEVER, from 2019 the player could have tried to restore the conditions as nearly as possible so that the improvement created by the original breach is eliminated, to avoid incurring a penalty.
BUT you couldn't avoid the penalty if the improvement couldn't be eliminated, EVEN if you re-teed your ball somewhere else.
Rule 8.1d
I’m curious , if he stamped down the grass then teed up would it be the same penalty ?
If it potentially improved his conditions, then yes.
Classiest guy on the course
This is not even a debate
The official in the golf cart says it best...there is no permission in all of golf that allows a person “to improve their lie”. Just keep that in mind...if what you are doing is solely to “improve your lie”, then it’s illegal. ⛳️ (note: tee shot is a lie).
The funny thing is that the grass popped up a second or so later and essentially he did not remove anything or alter the form of the grass
Before he hits the ball, the course is exactly as it was before he did anything
He hardly pressed on it and grass popped up
He sold himself too short
Golf rules are way too much
Play the ball as it lies and the course as you found it. The basis for all the rules of golf, if you do those two things you’ll have no problems.
That's why I never fix divots, just in case.
Hello
Question 1
after hitting over a frozen water hazard
my ball came short 1 foot from making it across not sure if the ice would hold my weight i decided to reach and grab my ball take a drop even though i did not make it across is this legal if not was i able to walk on the ice even tho i did not make it across and hit it
question 2
if my ball came shot on a water hazzert not frozen and was 1/2 foot short of making it across can i reach in the water for it and take a drop or do i have to re hit it in order to cross the hazzert
Q1. You can’t take a penalty drop at the nearest side to the green if it never crossed that edge of the red penalty area. You definitely can’t if it was a yellow penalty area.
You can play it as it lies if you wish.
Q2.
You can play it as it lies, or take penalty relief. Your penalty relief options wouldn’t be on the nearest side to the green unless it was a red penalty area, AND it had last crossed that edge nearest to the green.
@@GolfRulesQuestions if the lake is frozen can i go and hit it even though it dint make it across
@@dinofourkas2691 yes, but be careful.
If the rules of a GAME are so complex, subject to and in need of interpretation then the rules are wrong.
The problem is that Phil admitted to bettering his lie... What if he had told them he was cleaning his spikes off in the grass?
@@mudkat7611 people that know better would see through that bullshit and he’d look like a cheater. The *last* thing Phil Mickelson wants to do is be perceived to have cheated.
Oops. Guess I’m guilty because I’ve stomped out “runways” of knee high grass just to get my ball back in play after some of my drives!! 🤷♂️
as long as you added the 2 stroke penalty...your fine.
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Yes, he called it on himself, but golf is a game of honor, and I respect Phil and others who do the right thing. Also some rules are dumb.
I tap my ball off the tea on accident 6 or 7 times a round so is that a penalty ?
I think it’s a stroke
Basically I was in an all star tournament and on number 2 I had a tap in par a millimeter away and I was so mad at that putt my teammate and I picked it up they gave us a triple for picking it up
since I know absolutely nothing about golf...what was the penalty assessed to him? Did he lose a stroke?
Two strokes in stroke play.
Gained two strokes, but what you mean is what happened.
That's a crazy rule
Not really, maybe the specific circumstance seems trivial, but the range of actions the rule encompasses is important.
But you have a golf avatar, so I don’t know why I’m saying this to you like you don’t already know it lol
he knows better than that ! He just made a mistake........should thought "unplayable lie and take the penalty. He was honest
FIGJAM. A name well earned.
here's my issue ...some player can enlist the aid of other people to move a 300 pound rock near his ball ( Tiger Woods) because it's ruled a movable object but a player cant step on a clump of grass allowed to grow, to high, in front of a tee box ..WTF !!!! I agree ..golf has some really stupid ,nonsensical rules that need to be changed. Isnt moving the rock "altering the course" ??? It was deliberately put there to start with.!
a rock is a loose impediment, grass that is growing/attached is part of the course.
I'm on the tee box, the tree in front of me has the branches in the way...so I can just go out and move the branch out of the way, or the entire tree before my shot? NO! Rule has been broken here.
I think stomping down the grass should be no different than moving a tree or ripping off a branch that's in your way. The penalty makes sense to me.
On the course, not on the tee box. The grass should have been cut.
This was before the world decided to check their self before they wreck their selfs
This is one of those things I hate about golf. If he dug up the grass, sure penalize him. But what's the difference between him moving the grass with his foot, or the wind blowing it out of the way? If he said out loud, "Lord, please make the wind blow this grass out of my way", and the wind blew, would he get a penalty because he made it happen? Or would that be natural causes? A prayer, or a foot, either way it's a little ridiculous to penalize that imo...
That would be natural forces. The same as if Santa Claus' sleigh caused the grass to move.
@@GolfRulesQuestions Someone's foot is also a natural force
@@GolfRulesQuestions lmao
@@GolfRulesQuestions All these golfers nowadays, paying off Santa Claus to re-landscape the field...
@KLJohan It was probably messing with his line. You usually aim at a target that is close to you and in line with the hole.
What about moving leafs and what not off the green then? Isnt that the same thing really
Loose impediments are natural objects that aren't attached or growing, these can be moved. Phil moved an attached natural object.
Why didn't he just tee it a yard or two back and this wouldn't be a problem?
Where is the guy with the grass trimmer when you need him
its a stupid rule! They shouldn't place the tees in a spot that could block the path of your ball. If its blocked because of a bad shot I get it but its not even in play!
But the tee box wasn't in a place that blocked the path of the ball in most cases. Phil could have moved his tee or hit a different shot.
In this case it does seem silly, but if you don't have that rule, you'll have people bending and breaking branches or getting out a chainsaw :)
then why is it okay to walk on the green and push down other ball marks that are in your way, with your putter?That improves your putt.....
That is permitted under Rule 13.1.
Next time use the golf club Phil, wack the weeds down with some sharp practice swings
Can some one explain what he did and what was the mistake
What was the penalty? Plus stroke? Or What?
Two stroke penalty.
@@GolfRulesQuestions Thank you!
I can't remember the TELEVISED tournament, but it would have been within the last few years. Mickelson was putting and there was a downslope just past the hole. He putted too hard and the ball would have continued for another 6 meters (20 feet) easily. He knew it and ran after it and stopped it with his putter!!!!
I have never seen ANYONE do such a thing before. THIS WAS A TELEVISED TOURNAMENT!! He took a one shot penalty if I recall. I don't know the rules. Well, that is NOT playing the golf in the spirit of the game. MICKELSON IS A BLATANT CHEATER!!!
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Patrick Reed, are you taking notes?
today i learned, i don't play golf by the rules... i might as well be using a potato cannon to fire my ball
Spilled my drink... LOL
how anybody who plays or is involved in golf would think this is legal is beyond me.
Let’s be honest, we’re talking about the hand and foot wedge crowd 🤷♂️
I’m not an excellent golfer, but I’d rather take the stroke and count it even if it means hacking it out of a garbage lie to put myself back on the fairway and make a decent shot or alternatively, take the drop and mark it accordingly.
Mickelson wants to put a basketball net where the pin is it's allowed!
It’s golf, the rules don’t have to make sense.
Not sure how this is illegal. You are allowed to pick up and move sticks and other hazards in your way normally
You are permitted to move loose impediments, but not improve the conditions affecting your next stroke, such as pushing down growing/attached objects.
hits moving balls
Technically i.g. it might be a penalty but in the spirit of the sport there shouldn't have been an issue
I don't think that these rules are necessarily 'dumb', they just aren't specific enough. If you can't stomp down grass, say that.
Whilst I get what you're saying, the Rules book would be 20x bigger if they had to detail every possible action. Keeping it to - a player must not improve their conditions, is a lot easier to manage and gives broad spectrum to what a breach is.
"how do you violate a rule without a ball being in play"....... dumbest thing i have ever heard.
Love to golf, go for fun yet serious. Don’t know all the rules but some are really stupid when they come up! If he can’t put that grass down, then how come many times when I would watch golf on tv I would see a golfer move/pull a blade of grass when he’s putting. What’s in the course stays in the course, don’t matter what, who, when it got there. The course is the course, play it AS IT IS then! I firmly believe if he can’t move that grass, then when leafs fall from a tree and 1 in a million chance it lands on your ball, or if the ball lands under leafs, you should not be able to move it without penalty, that’s the way the course is, play as is.
If a natural object is unattached/not growing, then it is a loose impediment.
Hate to say it but if you think a rule is stupid, then it's you who simply doesn't understand why they are this way. Rules are not perfect (hence constant revisions) but they have a had a lot of thought put in them by people who know the game far better than the casual observer or player.
If you hit a perfect drive and your ball goes into a divot ...you can't move it. How that rule is still in the game is the dumbest thing ever.
Same situation involving Fatrick Reed: “hey Mr. Official, there was a muskrat in the tall grass in front of the tee, so I kinda kicked at it, well not really a kick more of a brush with my foot...anyways the other guy said I should ask you if that’s okay that I made a clear path for my ball to travel by using my foot? I mean that’s what they think I did, that’s not what I did...but it that cool?”
Might be a stupid question, but can you move a tree branch that's laying on the ground in front of my ball? I do it all the time. But I'm by no means a pro.
If it is loose, then yes. If it is still attached/growing, then no.
How do the two commentators not know that improving your line is a penalty..
asxtc they didn’t see Phil do it until the replays
@GoodRiddanceGooglePlus One of the commentators states..'how do you violate a rule without the ball being in play'.and they just watched him tread down the grass on his line...I take it you don't play golf.
Yet you can accidentally knock the ball off the tee white addressing it and replace it without a penalty.
I don't understand...how is what he did any different than golfers patting down the green in front of the hole or their ball before taking a shot... or them picking up an obstacle like a leaf or a twig that is laying on the putting surface between their ball and the whole.... you see both of these done all the time
On the green you are permitted to repair damage on your line of play.
Anywhere on the course you are permitted to remove loose impediments.
What Phil has done is improve his conditions, which is not permitted (except on the green).
@@GolfRulesQuestions oh. ... ok thanks...are a lot of rules in golf and are sometimes confusing 🤦♂️
he called himself out by asking,if you cheat yourself you will never enjoy the game..
Oh Phil
Love phil
Yet you can move a leaf off the green if it’s in your line??
Yes, because it's a loose impediment, it is not part of the golf course.
It ain't still growing
@@markywellsboy2182 That’s plain English right therrrrrr! 😂
@@zeroyou3060 sometimes, our glorious language in it's basic form is the most effective way to make a point 😂😂