"Making the kind choice becomes this gift" - Molly Elwood - Elwoods Dog Meat CEO - Ep: 175
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Molly is a writer, copywriter, editor, creative strategist and an animal rights activist. She is Founder and CEO of the non-existent farm, Elwoods Organic Dog Meat.
In Sentientist Conversations we talk about the two most important questions: “what’s real?” & “what matters?” Sentientism is "evidence, reason & compassion for all sentient beings." The audio is on our Podcast: apple.co/391khQO & anchor.fm/sentientism.
We discuss:
00:00 Clips
01:35 Welcome
03:20 Molly's Intro
- Writing, copywriting & animal rights activism
- 15 years in advertising
- Starting the #ElwoodsOrganicDogMeat web site: "a vegan journey... through their own cognitive dissonance... to the realisation that they love animals and they actually don't want to eat them."
- Going viral
- "I think everyone's #vegan already... I don't think they're given the space to act on that... not given the moment to give it the thought... this gives them the chance to make all the vegan arguments that are already in their heart"
05:39 What's Real?
- Not going to church growing up
- Occasional visits to Lutheran church "but I didn't know what was happening... thinking the pastor was Jesus because he had long hair."
- Dad: "There's just too much work to be done to waste a Sunday doing this"
- Hearing of child abuse by a pastor
- "It was never an #atheistic view... we never even talked about it... just 'this isn't our family - this isn't what we do'"
- Parents in military. Travelling a lot, long hours "just going through the day"
- At 12 yrs moving to a small, rural town "everybody was religious - I felt pretty left out"
- Attending church youth group in high school "it was the boys and singing I wanted to go for :) - I really wanted to fit in. I got a Bible and I read it."
- Asking youth group leaders questions: "If you can tell me what happened to the dinosaurs... why my parents are going to hell... why animals don't have souls... Once you've solved those for me... I'm ready to be baptised!"
- "Let's isolate her away from the children... she's asking too many questions."
- "It doesn't make any sense... Christianity had me in their palm and they rejected me"
- "Going through the motions" in church youth group
- At college youth group became a lot more religious "I realised this was not a group for me and I couldn't use this as my vehicle to belong."
- "#Spirituality and #religion was never... even today is not part of my life"
- Reading "The Buddha Got Stuck" then psychology
- "I find personal growth to be my kind of spirituality"
- A difficult time growing up "I was bullied... I was a bully... I have a lot of self-work I have to do"
- "As we explore ourselves and find more peace with ourselves then we can be more at peace in the world"
- "We all deal with so much suffering... if we understand ourselves we can heal a lot more in the world than we ever do through spirituality"
- #trauma and "chips on our shoulders"
- "We can make the world a lot better through personal growth than praying"
- JW "We can have the benefits of spirituality without the spirit and without the supernatural"
- The harms of supernatural beliefs via established religions, new age movements, wellness spaces, #conspiracy #conspirituality
- JW: Spiritual bypassing of issues and ethics "just manifest" (Jonina Turzi episode: • "A whole new relations... )
- JW: Risks of motivated reasoning among animal activists & vegans "veganism cures cancer!"
- JW: Animal exploitation fabrications "animals can't suffer", "animal farming is humane"
- "I did a lot of online activism... I had all of the facts..."
- Building Elwood's Dog Meat: "What is the one inarguable fact... animals suffer... and you as a human would not want this to happen to a dog... if you can just agree on this one thing everything else [health, climate, tradition...] just goes out"
- "This is the one thing I think all humans can agree on - that if I had a dog in front of me right now I would not kill it [them] for no reason"
- JW: "You're starting from their values... they already know"
- Taking the other side as Elwood's "'You can step on a dog's foot and they don't even feel it.'... and dog lovers will go 'no'... and then they argue it for me."
24:15 What Matters?
- "#veganism really became my moral compass in the last 7 years... it just opened up my eyes to the concept of doing less harm and being kind"
43:49 x A Better World?
01:16:02 Follow Molly
- mollyelwood.com/
- www.elwooddogmeat.com/
- / elwooddogmeat
- / mollyelwood
- / molly.elwood
- / mollyelwood
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Molly is amazing! Such a creative project! So good to connect with people who care :)
After seeing this, I had to go an google the Elwood dogmeat ad. We haven't seen it here in Aotearoa (NZ) But what a brilliant idea to make people think. Kudos!
Getting near the end... This just gets better and better!
Go Elwood ! - and go Molly's O.D.M.! (or the other way around...). - Either way 👍👍👍
Good one!
I'm glad I'm one of those who was able to just flip the switch away from eating animals. My identity simply wasn't wrapped up in what I stuffed into my gut. I should have done it earlier but I still trusted in the "wisdom" of the masses. - Kinda like trusting in the wisdom of the markets (I've gotten away from that too).
Btw. your trust in the compassion of the masses is misplaced too... I'm afraid we're on our own in this... Compassion is a form of wisdom. It's not a mass thing. --- BUT do keep trying! 😁
PS: I love freeing bugs too! - so fulfilling. ☺
Just found your podcast Jamie! Awesome....and of course, thank you Mollie for all you do as well! I knew I didn't want to eat animals all my life. But I grew up in the restaurant business and I had no clue I had an option for the longest time. Then I just was caught up in dealing with having a family, etc. So, the good Lord allowed me to live long enough to manifest my vegan self at 58 years old. Now I'm nearly 67 and I'm hoping to live long enough to enable others to find their true self and stop harming the innocents.
Thanks Tracey - wonderful to have you as a subscriber. We're on all the audio podcast feeds too if you prefer to listen. Molly is awesome!
Big fan of Molly's work
Thanks Louis - it was great to talk to her.
But she engages in LYING, just for positive consequences! What sort of deontologist are you, buddy? 😀
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😆 🤣 😂 I'm not a Deontologist if that's what Deontology entails (never lying).
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21:36
I came to this conclusion about 22 years ago........which is 10 years after embracing Veganism.
52:45
❤️ 💙 💜
Bug lover here!
Thanx for the great convo! I love going to Elwoods' to blow off some vegan steam. Re: the idea of an ethical by-pass, the bottom line for the animals is that people stop eating them. They don't care why and I'm sure they'd be fine with folks "flipping" (Monday's alliteration) because vegan options were the most convenient. And I believe for most people, there are no ethics to the eating of animals at all and they do so pretty mindlessly. Hard for them not to since our society "disappears" the reality of what happens to animals . . . or the fact they are animals at all . . . rather effectively.
Thanks Debbie. I'm with you in taking the non-human animals' perspective - the important thing is that the exploitation/suffering/death ends, not whether it's ended because humans fixed their ethics. Many of those who worry about ethical bypassing probably agree - but they're also worried about what humans might go on to do next if there isn't an ethical transformation. My personal hope is that we can get the best of both worlds - make the transition easy thereby freeing people up to get back to a compassionate ethic they'd probably prefer to have, deep down...
A whole world of possibilities exists once people take off their "meat goggles." Keep up all of your good work!
@24:30 Religious people so often describe some version of divine command theory as if it were moral realism. Michael Huemer is especially good at articulating the fact that DCT is a particularly extreme version of ethical subjectivism: one being's whim makes things right just because it's powerful.
33:25
Such a poignant moment 😔 🫂
Looking forward to this discussion
1:07:42 - Ha! That London Underground story was hilarious! (Full disclosure: I have no idea what The London Underground is. - Maybe it's my imagination of who they are that makes it funny...) 😁
PS: It just dawned on me - the subway transportation system in London, right? (Not some publication?)
It's London's mostly underground metro rail network - millions see posters there - so serious impact...: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground
Hoping that #Christspiracy comes out soon.
That is going to be an interesting watch! I just hope they don't over-do the conspiratorial thinking... we have enough of that already :)