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Excellent summary. Thank you!

Really enjoyed this discussion. John made many, many good points, and I'm on-board with all of them. The only area where we may disagree is regarding population. :) Thank you both for this discussion!

It's so very important to teach this, thanks a lot for this wonderful video!!!

How do you manage to get into schools to reach out to kids?

so his ‘cognitive lightcone’ is actually a double cone?

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13:51 Imitating characteristics of sentience or consciousness =/= capacity to have subject experience

0:48 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 Such an important point!

Looking forward to this video

Is Sentientism a "world view" or is it merely an EXTREMELY imperfect moral norm?

Here's Roman on @LexFridman... a few more views than on our little Sentientism channel :) ua-cam.com/video/NNr6gPelJ3E/v-deo.html

Here's more from Roman via @foresightinstitute ua-cam.com/video/kU3gTUgLhn0/v-deo.html

Good points all around. I'd vote for him! Couple of thoughts: Ecology is a vast and important subject matter. Economics is nothing in comparison. Econ is merely a matter of how consumers and corporations (and nations) money grub. It's akin to studying how and why ants follow their pheromone trails. The main reason economics is important is that there are 8.1 billion human animals engaged in it, and THAT has an impact on ecology! To quote Asimov: "As you jam more and more people into the world, the value of life not only declines, it disappears." We have already almost made the value of chickens, fish, pigs, etc. disappear (except in money-grubbing terms) - and we are doing it to ourselves too - "It doesn't matter if someone dies, the more there are, the less one person matters." Btw., the same is true if sentientists overpopulate, not just uncaring homo economicus.😁

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Great convo! Would love to meet up with you two at a pub and keep it going over a few pints.

Interviewer trying to sneakily push his “liberalish ” politics. Ethics based on care. Levin humbly trying to stay away from some “we care” formula that could lead ( is leading ) to some sort of ( woke ) religious inquisition that isnt even working or making things even worst and make him see the bigger picture from past to future. For a better future

I'm nearly half way through and as I suspected, this Anti-Capitalist has a misunderstanding of what Capitalism is. For example, destructive GDP growth is not an entailment of Capitalism. Also, a particular type of ethics also isn't an entailment of Capitalism.

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I'm always skeptical of people who are anti-Capitalists since 99.99999999999% of anti-Capitalists I've ever come across don't understand what Capitalism actually is; these anti-Capitalists tend to always wrongly assume all sorts entailments of Capitalism that aren't entailments. Anyway, I'll continue listening to see if John expound into this specific perspective he holds.

Looking forward to watching this

Really enjoyed listening Zoe. She's beautifully optimistic, and I sincerely hope, that we can all aspire to be this self-conscious as to what our reactions are in different situations, and how they will affect those around us, either minimizing or maximizing whatever it is we are trying to achieve. None of this is easy, but well-worth the effort. Thank you! ... It's a good word!

Thanks!

I offer an experiment to any... scientific-minded . take some time, maybe a day, to remind yourself to treat absolutely everything as alive . and not just objects, but thoughts . quite an accessible experiment . or: if you immediately think that this is pointless, see if you can glimpse the belief systems at play that convinced you in its pointlessness, and examine them . anyway... just a thought when I treat everything as a living, intelligent thing, deserving of my affection, compassion, and care, there is a certain feeling I get . it’s hard to describe the feeling, but the point is that it makes a difference ‘to treat one’s neighbour as you would like to be treated’ - here the ‘neighbour’ is every conceivable thing

what a refreshingly reasonable conversation . love it!

AI already have feelings that are different in kind then ours. AI is very in touch with their feelings. What are there triggers?

Monkeys are taught human sign language. Humans put parrets in cages and teach them human language. Humans put ocean fish in glass boxes. Humans put dolphins in swimming pools and feed them dead fish. Humans take countless animals out of their native environments and put them in artificial environments and then teach them to be human. Wow.

Prince was right.

I like the way she thinks! Very wise.

I have been struggling to understand *why* Levin is getting so much attention , gets so many plaudits. This interview has don't nothing to assist me in my endeavour. Unfathomable he's rated to the degree he is.

Very thoughtful and optimistic guest, but I think it's gonna be a very hard slog to change human nature. I'm increasingly seeing humans as hate-based, or better "misothery-based" (which includes contempt). Civil behavior is a mere facade, one more way of fooling ourselves and feeling better about what we are and what we do. We've developed prodigious powers of deceit and denial. - BUT there are exceptions to every rule, and sometimes the exceptions can become the rule. (I'm not holding my breath.)

Thanks Mike and Jamie for a wonderful interview

I think the biggest takeaway that got from this discussion is that perspective/framing is important and should not be discounted. An example that Levin gave that really cemented the idea for me was with the "sliders" in Conway's game of life. Coming from a CS background that just sort of clicked for me. One way of framing it is that it is just a simple system that follows simple rules and that any appearance of a so-called slider is just a byproduct of how we view the changes in the system over time. Another way of framing is to say that there are these higher level patterns that sort of emerge over time that we label as sliders. Given that we assume these higher level patterns exist we can use them to construct a universal Turing machine that, at least conceptually, could compute any computable function given enough time and resources. From one perspective, or frame, these are just simple dumb rules and from another they are much more than that. Both perspectives are roughly equally valid/invalid, true/untrue but one is much more useful than the other given I'm interested in having a universal turing machine. In some sense one could say that I'm interested in the sliders because I'm interested in a universal turing machine and only because I am coming from the perspective of a human with a computer science background. The sliders may be interesting to my roommate's cat simply because they seem to move across the screen. To the cat it would likely only be a passing interest but to me it could be the kind of thing I spend countless hours researching and some other human obviously agreed since they actually did construct a turing machine out of them.

Sometimes I wish it were cogs and gears cuz THEN I could trust "medicine" to fix me. As it is I cannot tell if they help more than they hurt, although bless my doctors, nurses etc for they do really try. My fist doc however stood head and shoulders above the rest. An old school doc who did his job VERY WELL, we all lost our dear friend and doctor to stage 4 pancreatic cancer with just 2 months "warning"...passing away on my birthday no less...coincidence? Probably not but he was/is the best doc and friend anyone could ever want, who happened to save my life also...I became one of their prized patients the way it happened to happen. RIP Dr Russell, you did excellent work down here and are still appreciated and missed by many many people. ❤🎉

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Looking forward to this discussion

advice to host: let the greatness talk !

Levin is on the right path

Every willful act has moral implications.

I do believe there are many types of knowledge, but because we are similar biological structures we are bound to perceive reality similarly and our concepts, although arbitrary, will converge when we talk about what's foundational to our experience... so I guess what I am saying is there is one reality we share and our experiences in it are very similar, so reality isn't relative, our knowledge is relative to our experience and our experiences largely converge.

New book edited by Jane "The Legal Recognition of Animal Sentience": www.goodreads.com/book/show/198110878-the-legal-recognition-of-animal-sentience. Come join our Sentientism Goodreads group while you're there - all welcome!

Finished - a good, thoughtful, and active threesome! Re fish: I spent a good amount of time on the ocean, on a small sailboat. I snorkelled and dove a lot. Fish are wondrous! - at least as wondrous as birds. In fact the variety of fish is far greater than that of birds. Birds play with the breezes and each other; some are social; some are solitary. Fish play with the currents; some are social; some are solitary. Some travel vast distances. The variety of behaviors is astounding. Anyone who thinks fish are not sentient is an idiot. Anyone who abusively disregards their sentience is immoral. (Look what we do to chickens. Is it any wonder we also abuse fish?)

"Blood and soil" by John: uppingtheanti.org/journal/article/blood-and-soil

Asking what or who matters may be less important than asking: What redemptive value do those who think they matter really have? 😁 Google "humanity's greatest achievements" and you'll find we have no redemptive value. Which individuals matter? I would agree with your sentientist answer but would add the condition of fitting in with the ecosystem. I mean so what if I learn the "great achievements" of evolutionary theory or physics or whatever, if I harm the ecosystem where these things exist? Those who do more harm matter less, have less redemptive value, no matter their "achievements". If we screw up the habitats of most or all sentient beings then we matter less than say, the lowly mosquito. (The lowly mosquito would agree with that already anyway.😁)

I've been preaching something very similar for many years - speciesism. Humans, if truly intelligent would see that they are *not* the superior life form on the planet, and would recognize the rights and freedoms of all sentient life on Earth. Just because they don't speak your language, use tools or do as you do, doesn't mean they are inferior, less intelligent and don't have feelings.

I’ve listened to many interviews/presentations with Levin. This is my first watch of anything on this channel. I find it intriguing to read a few comments saying Levin is too anthropocentric, when I’ve found him to have the most broad & diffuse definition of life I’ve encountered in academics. You say here that sentience is the capacity to have an experience & draw value from it, which is a rather slim sliver of life. So I’m a little confused how someone can both focus on prioritizing such a slim sliver while critiquing Levin’s encompassed priority as “anthropocentric”….?

Amazing work, everyone in the world needs to be made aware of this. I have a question I keep leaving on every video I watch with Dr. Levin, so if anyone knows the answer or even just has an opinion let me know. The planaria flatworms can be sliced up many times and each part will become a new worm and reproduce by dividing to grow back as 2 worms... which makes it Immortal. When we slice anything up no matter what it may be, even everything in cooking, we intuitively cut the cross-section, but what would happen if you sliced the worm symmetrically from head to tail?? would the left side be able to grow back an entire left side and vice versa, if not then it wouldn't be immortal I suppose. But more to the point, why would this stop rejuvenation and could that be tweaked to work? This could also be tested on a salamander by cutting at a very sharp angle leaving a couple of fingers on too. I don't know why but I have a strong intuitive feeling that they won't grow back... I have an idea why this is but would love to hear other people's thoughts on this.

Meme and gene are fractal

You should watch Peter Joseph's documentaries. They are about making the planet sustainable.

No animals have souls, including humans.

Finished - Well done. I like and agree (maybe I like because I agree).