I was in a cave that had a metal railing installed with 3-4” stalagmites already grown. That rail hadn’t been there 10 years. Hard not to question things you’ve been taught by “those who know”.
@@vladtheemailer3223 vlad, the standard explanation to people who go to caves is that the formations there slowly grew over millions of years. That is, of course, false.
Those ceiling channels to cupolas look like they were formed by hot water rising like a geyser. I wonder if when Yellowstone dries up, it would have the same features? I wish I could come to one of your seminars. Next time you go to St Helen's, maybe. I was there ten days before the eruption, and in Kennewick when it erupted. Love your work, sir.
Fascinating. I walked into a pendant in the Mammoth Cave tour, no helmet. It makes sense now why the tour guide told us to watch out for the hanging rocks (many pendants) on the left side.
The few caves I’ve been in here in Missouri I thought the same thing without knowing all the technical terms it looked like a whole mess of water had passed through them rapidly
Merci du partage de cette vidéo, et des découvertes qu'elle contient! Avez vous remarqué que lorsque l'on regarde ces images de grottes profondes, et la façon dont elles ont été formées, on retrouve des formes internes et externes du corps humain, voir animal? C'est incroyable! N'est ce pas... Stéph.
I believe there is a Sherlock Holmes quote (but it may be not be authentic) , thus. The plodding Dr Watson says, 'I thought this would be a difficult problem , Holmes, but now you have explained it to me, I see it is really quite simple!' I think that fits this fascinating account perfectly.
@@AndrewJarvis-hn7cc Very few caves have the features you mention. If all were carved by rising water as this video ridiculously claims why don't all caves have the features?
@@joshuataylor3550Joshua, you give me the impression that you think there is right and wrong; is that because your distant ancestor is pond scum? Do you think pond scum is the origin of right and wrong, good and bad etc.? Thanks. I am here to learn and share The Truth. 🙂
the vid was released half an hour ago and devil's lil minions are already here, they just can't click fast enough to watch Dr Wise and write how much they disagree with everything he said 😆
That’s because people are exposed to Zionist propaganda in the public indoctrination centers(schools) from an early age along with MSM and gov propaganda. Once indoctrinated you can hit them with all the truth and it will do nothing. Climate change “viruses”, “wars”, “shootings” all exampled
Very interesting. QUESTION: Is there a valid Flood Model that demonstrates by means of Cave Mapping Cave Formation through the Limestone layers that are FOLDED and Faulted? Another way to put it would be in folded Limestone deposits do the caves and passages demonstrate channel movement during folding?
seems to me these things may happen either way as the water if FULL in the tubes. it would be more telling if the water is FLOWING downwards or upwards along the tube. water flowing downwards if the tube is full can still erode the top part. I might imagine that the acidic water is more buoyant and thus at the top of the water flow.
Hi, Kurt. Very interesting. I got a feeling you would enjoy my ongoing research on this subject. Quite the “revelation” if do say, myself, and your photos, and research are priceless to my case at hand. I now know what caused these key holes/ caves,etc…My upcoming video will show you hundreds of photos/videos of physical proof , and it’s all based on biblical text, as well. Going to be quite the surprise for all…We’ve seen it our whole lives, but didn’t catch it! It took me 4 years to figure it out, but I should be done with the video, soon. Subbed. 😊
You mean the Walt Brown's "Hydroplate Theory" which violates mots of the known laws of physics? The one that has continents drifting 3000 miles in one 24 hour day, an average speed of 125 MPH? The one that has the asteroid belt being formed from rocks blasted off the Earth by the FOTD? That "hydroplate" theory? 🤪
Possibly the caves with land animal fossils were formed during flood and older caves without them existed before flood and could have signs of being broken up?
95% of all limestone deposits come from the shells of marine creatures such as coccolithophores, foraminifera, corals, mollusks. When these creatures die their calcium containing exoskeletons sink to the ocean floor as soft sediment. The accumulation is very slow, on the order of just a few cm every 1000 years. Eventually after being buried deeply enough the soft sediment lithifies into hard limestone. Now for the story in this video to be correct: 1. The Flood had to have enough nutrients to cause massive blooms of this marine life, enough to form hundreds of meters of sediment from their shells in one year. 2. Somehow the fresh sediment had to lose all its water content and lithify into hard limestone. 3. More acidic water showed up from somewhere underneath and blasted out these caves in the limestone. 4. The acidic water all drained away. 5. More regular water carrying the remains of Pleistocene mammals then washed the remains along with non-limestone mud depositing into the caves. 6. The remains then fossilized in the non-limestone mud deposits. Anyone want to defend or amend this scenario? 😜😜😜
Amend? Yes! The fossils were dragged into the cave by dinosaurs. They were fluent in English - like the serpent in the Garden of Eden. They wrote the lyrics to "The River". Bruce Springsteen killed them all, to steal the credit for the song. (And that's how they went extinct)
Vegans don't believe plants consume calcium from dead animals. And Christians don't believe on science because their astrology books told them this is as good as knowledge gets. (They thought Saturn was the furthest planet, hence the speciality of the number 7,so yeah).
according to Brian Nickel and the hydroplate theory (Walt Brown), there is no way an organic origin of all the earth's limestone is chemically feasible. See his video "problems with limestone formation". Very interesting
You do realize, don't you, that no one has actually observed 1,000 years of lime deposition? You're conflating a process and a rate with ancient history. You're # 1 point looks like bizarre imagination. Not speaking for others, my model doesn't require that at all.
@@mmaimmortals You apparently don't realize that "no one saw it" is the all-time dumbest creationist excuse for dodging science ever devised? 😄 Point #1 is directly from AIG's "How Did Limestone Form" article so yes, it IS bizarre imagination. 😅 Of course you "forgot" to provide your own explanation, as usual.
We also have to address the fact that the rock can have many different densities and makeup. Some of these features look like root and trunk channels from ancient trees, from before the clay turned to stone. The floodwaters create pressures that can cause erosion beyond the understanding of these theories. Many of the caves I have been in are eroded fault lines. We can look at the rocks surround Boone Lake and see how quickly the rock with erode, as the lake has only been there for 70 years. The black limestone is wearing away faster than the theories depict. This says the theories need to be updated. Black limestone is extremely hard limestone! I have issues believing the narrative is worth the paper they are written on!
The big question no creationist will touch - how did the Flood manage to deposit 200-300m thick layers of limestone in the first place? Limestone sediment slowly precipitates out of still water, less than 5mm / 1000 years, and is formed from the shells of tiny marine creatures called foraminifera. It *doesn't* form in a flood.
I've addressed the question directly myself. And your 1000 year claim is pure imagination. No one has ever seen 5mm of lime deposited over a 1000 year period, let alone 300 meters worth at that rate. Fun fact: lime quarries are usually above sea level, which means the sea was on land...
@@mmaimmortals Fun fact 1 - Waving your hands and going *NUH-UH!* does not constitute addressing the huge problem with YEC claims. Fun fact 2 - you're as clueless on limestone deposition as you are on biology and geology and paleontology and everything else in science. "No one saw it" is still the all-time dumbest argument creationists have ever dreamed up. 😄 Fun fact 3 - Of course seas have ingressed and regressed many times in the 4 billion years life has been on Earth. Plate tectonics has also raised some areas that were once below oceans to above sea level. I notice you forgot to give us your explanation for why some limestone quarries are above sea level. 😆
@GuenterBechly why be a jerk? You took the time to fashion a specific response showing your obvious knowledge of the pleistocene and now you can be bothered to insult people but not actually educate them? For all of your knowledge, what you lack is the greatest thing you could gain.
@@helives2630 because I am always irritated when in 2024 someone still posts such a question on a forum and waits for an answer by some random person of questionable competence, instead of typing exactly the same string of letters into Google and get an instant correct answer. It was meant as a kind of advice in the spirit of „it is better to teach a poor man how to fish than to just give him a fish“ 😉 By the way: You have a very aggressive and negative attitude that does not ring very Christ-like to me (see you other comment below mine).
If you believe explanations this while ignoring evidence to the contrary: you are willingly allowing yourself to be deceived, limiting your potential for success, and committing a great disservice to your family. Don't fall prey believing all your selfish desires will be fulfilled so long as you think what your told to and refuse to question it. Don't confuse ignorance for faith.
@@opendstudio7141 Possibly. My understanding from the lecture is that it's the underground water that is acidic, and percolates up through the limestone.
I've yet to see a Noah's Flood explanation which didn't require invoking multiple supernatural miracles. From removing excess heat and radiation caused by Accelerated Nuclear Decay to dispersal of the animals from the Ark to the reconstitution of complex ecosystems. If your explanation relies on multiple miracles why not just say the whole thing was one big miracle which left no physical evidence?
I've not seen too many objections to YEC or the Flood that didn't invoke huge amounts of imagination that neither evolutionists nor creationists actually believe. I will grant though that AND is the product of a particular YEC model. Nevertheless, I do agree that no AND happened. At least not in any appreciable amount that provides any explanatory power. I'm not including Creation Week though, which is by definition a miracle. I still don't call it AND though.
Early man would not have lived in caves. Too easily trapped. They probably used them as temporary shelters. But never as homes. You will see in some cave paintings of hunting scenes; Decorative of what might be for sale in these temporary little shops. They certainly sold meat in those days. Also booze. Which is why they also have hand imprints, to measure the age of prospective buyers of alcohol. Nobody would have wanted to be found selling booze to children. A form of age identification.
A: Well, he DID offer the hypothesis for all of the "North American limestone caves"... B: And he also said that we have "older caves than these, but they contain zero land-based fossils". I think I'm quoting him accurately enough. A + B = No, he didn't try to explain ALL caves in the world in one statement.
@@PatrickKQ4HBD In the title and description he doesn't say *SOME* caves form this way. Every time he just said *CAVES* form this way. That's amazingly disingenuous and misleading if was only talking about some caves.
@@PatrickKQ4HBD _but they contain zero land-based fossils_ Do some quick research on *cave paleontology.* There are many cave systems in the U.S. alone which contain fossils of terrestrial species. Carlsbad Caverns in NM contain the fossil remains of many extinct mammal species.
@@Meow-xx6oo Yep at 34:40. One more silly and easily rebutted claim with no connection to reality. For example we have _Australopithecus_ fossils found in the Sterkfontein Cave in Ethiopia which date to between 3.4 to 3.6 MYA. The Pleistocene goes back to 2.58 MYA so his claim is disproven right there.
Quote: "You can almost sense the water flowing up. It doesn't make much sense, going down". Answer: Except perhaps for physics! Water does not run up, in channels. Never once has an example of water running upwards been seen by anybody. Water, when running, follow the laws of physics. Water from the bottom (hydrothermal vents, for example) disperse, as soon as they exit the ground below. (PS. The desperation to come up with something that doesn't contradict the Genesis storyline, is both visible and audible).
So, some cave systems are formed via epigenic processes and some are formed by hypogenic processes. It doesn't mean all are hypogene caves. Formation of stalactites and stalagmites depends on dripping water and water doesn't drip upwards! So many caves are obviously epigenic. Vertical entry shafts are often caused by collapse of a section of the cave roof long after the cave beneath was formed. This changes nothing! The very old age of many caves has been well established by reverse paleomagnetism in cave formations. To suggest all caves were formed by hypogenic processes caused by the mythical global flood of Noah is just absolute nonsense! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I didn't see where he said all caves were formed by one process. I did hear him make a direct reference to more than one cave formation process though. And paleomagnetism can't tell you the age of anything.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
In Genesis 1 verse 1 no time frame is given, so no one knows how long this took. In Exodus 20:11 the entire creation is perfected, so this is a different context. It is better that we do not add or subtract anything from Bible texts, this is also stated in Deuteronomy 4:2
@@heinpereboom5521 I agree so why do YEC leaders delete from the Bible: Hebrews 4:9-10, Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6, Romans 1:20, Psalm 19 1-4, and Gen 2:4. Why do YEC leader act like Jews Pharisees says we must keep the 7th day. When the NT teaches that 7th day as not ended. And for the Jews the 7th day was not always 24 hours. The Jewish practice of the seven-year land rest, is a commandment from God to leave the land of Israel fallow and not work it every seven years. So a day is a year? Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days, The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
@@VernCrisler I don't have much to do with learned people who explain something because they think it is right. Making up your own theory about everything doesn't seem like a good thing to me. Theologians are the right people to explain Bible texts, they know the origin of the meaning. You also have to be careful about accepting stories from learned people. Take for example Martin Luther, a great reformer, a learned and intelligent man with courage, but he was also a great anti-Semite, given his clear statements about Jews, which were really not based on anything, but were just his own opinion. The same goes for the current Pope Francis, who says that God caused the big bang but cannot do everything and has let evolution take its course and lo and behold, here we are now. Many people also believe what the Pope says. To me this is a very strange statement from a church leader that I have heard, because then everything is based on coincidence. This invalidates Genesis and Jesus has become a random passer-by who just tells something about the sin of people. Scholars from the Vatican who want to prove God with astronomical research and have a radio telescope for that, it is getting crazier. Adding or subtracting something from a Bible text is not wise (Deuteronomy 4:2), then division arises and various churches, as well for interpretations of learned people who think they know it and think that we should think that too.
Some caves are formed by hypogene processes, but certainly not all of them, or even most of them. The proposal that they were all created that way because of the flood of Noah is just absolute preposterous nonsense!
@@all41tja I spent several years as a tour guide in limestone caves and it's pretty obvious how they formed, and it wasn't from water coming up from the deep!
This is ridiculous. Caves in limestone karsts were formed by water eroding the limestone from the top down. We can see the process at work today. This guy would get laughed out of any geologic conference.
Absolutely! These clowns seize on one little scientific fact and distort and twist it to try and prove their delusional old myths are real. While there are some caves formed by hypogene processes, the vast majority of them aren't. I notice he didn't address cave formations, that depend of water dripping down for thousands of years! Or maybe water also drips upwards in his world.
I was in a cave that had a metal railing installed with 3-4” stalagmites already grown. That rail hadn’t been there 10 years.
Hard not to question things you’ve been taught by “those who know”.
What cave would that be? Actual facts like where and exactly when would be nice.
Any competent geologist can explain it to you. Have you been to a cave where the stalagmites have hardly grown in 100 years?
Where?
More drips = More growth
Less drips = Less growth
Too fast = No growth
Verified in my kitchen sink
@@vladtheemailer3223 vlad, the standard explanation to people who go to caves is that the formations there slowly grew over millions of years.
That is, of course, false.
This. Is. Fascinating!
Always love getting to hear your theories Kurt, thank you for sharing brother!
Good work. Very informative!
Your enthusiasm is contagious! Another great video! Thank you for your work.
I love Dr. Weiss’ lectures. He’s a great guy. Looking forward to more sir.
Never thought I'd sit through a lecture discussing the formation of caves. Excellent ideas.
Great presentation , thank you
Those ceiling channels to cupolas look like they were formed by hot water rising like a geyser. I wonder if when Yellowstone dries up, it would have the same features? I wish I could come to one of your seminars. Next time you go to St Helen's, maybe. I was there ten days before the eruption, and in Kennewick when it erupted. Love your work, sir.
@@guylelanglois6642 ; Good example
Fascinating. I walked into a pendant in the Mammoth Cave tour, no helmet. It makes sense now why the tour guide told us to watch out for the hanging rocks (many pendants) on the left side.
I went through Ludlow Cave a few months ago, north western South Dakota. Really strange formations inside which correlated with your video. Thanks!
The few caves I’ve been in here in Missouri I thought the same thing without knowing all the technical terms it looked like a whole mess of water had passed through them rapidly
I'm curious about the water pressure. How much pressure is involved here?
Never really thought about this, great video, thanks.
I am from Crossville always wanted to go in Salt Peter cave. One of my middle school teachers used to explore in there a lot.
Fascinating!
right away this model starts with an acidic solution. HPT provides that overabundantly =D
Channels on the ceiling?! I would’ve been so confused! Lol. Thank you!
I understand what you are saying!
That's surprising
Merci du partage de cette vidéo, et des découvertes qu'elle contient! Avez vous remarqué que lorsque l'on regarde ces images de grottes profondes, et la façon dont elles ont été formées, on retrouve des formes internes et externes du corps humain, voir animal? C'est incroyable! N'est ce pas... Stéph.
I believe there is a Sherlock Holmes quote (but it may be not be authentic) , thus. The plodding Dr Watson says, 'I thought this would be a difficult problem , Holmes, but now you have explained it to me, I see it is really quite simple!' I think that fits this fascinating account perfectly.
There's another appropriate quote from P.T. Barnum on people who swallow this guff: "There's a sucker born every minute".
@@goody8839 so how do you explain the cupolas and carved channels in the roofs of the caves?
@@AndrewJarvis-hn7cc Very few caves have the features you mention. If all were carved by rising water as this video ridiculously claims why don't all caves have the features?
Thanks for sharing 😌🙏
Papoose Caverns of the Idaho "peninsula", between the Snake and Salmon Rivers, near Riggins..
Perfect explanation of Noah's flood - waters from the deep!
Noah is a fictional character, grow up
@joshuataylor3550 if you actually believe that, then your intelligence is also fictional.
@@joshuataylor3550Joshua, you give me the impression that you think there is right and wrong; is that because your distant ancestor is pond scum? Do you think pond scum is the origin of right and wrong, good and bad etc.? Thanks. I am here to learn and share The Truth. 🙂
waters of the deep = HPT = Walt Brown
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@@chrismessier7094 Walt Brown = wackaloon = most other YECs won't touch his "hydroplate" nonsense
Super great Kurt!
the vid was released half an hour ago and devil's lil minions are already here, they just can't click fast enough to watch Dr Wise and write how much they disagree with everything he said 😆
That’s because people are exposed to Zionist propaganda in the public indoctrination centers(schools) from an early age along with MSM and gov propaganda. Once indoctrinated you can hit them with all the truth and it will do nothing. Climate change “viruses”, “wars”, “shootings” all exampled
Accusing people of being devils minions for disagreeing with somebody on how caves are formed???
@@billcook4768 do you identify as a devil? no? did I offend some of your friends?
@@testdep I don’t think you cut anybody deeply. But it indicates an unwillingness to consider different possibilities.
The earth is absolutely not young.
Brilliant!
I’d like to speak with Kurt Wise sometime. I live very close to Cleveland, Ga….I could use some of his thoughts for a museum exhibit.
Very interesting. QUESTION: Is there a valid Flood Model that demonstrates by means of Cave Mapping Cave Formation through the Limestone layers that are FOLDED and Faulted? Another way to put it would be in folded Limestone deposits do the caves and passages demonstrate channel movement during folding?
Very interesting.
seems to me these things may happen either way as the water if FULL in the tubes. it would be more telling if the water is FLOWING downwards or upwards along the tube. water flowing downwards if the tube is full can still erode the top part. I might imagine that the acidic water is more buoyant and thus at the top of the water flow.
Hi, Kurt. Very interesting. I got a feeling you would enjoy my ongoing research on this subject. Quite the “revelation” if do say, myself, and your photos, and research are priceless to my case at hand. I now know what caused these key holes/ caves,etc…My upcoming video will show you hundreds of photos/videos of physical proof , and it’s all based on biblical text, as well. Going to be quite the surprise for all…We’ve seen it our whole lives, but didn’t catch it! It took me 4 years to figure it out, but I should be done with the video, soon. Subbed. 😊
Cool !
Interesting! Good video!
Are you leaning more towards Walt Brown's "Hydroplate Theory"? I love your presentations and learn a lot. Thanks for posting.
You mean the Walt Brown's "Hydroplate Theory" which violates mots of the known laws of physics? The one that has continents drifting 3000 miles in one 24 hour day, an average speed of 125 MPH? The one that has the asteroid belt being formed from rocks blasted off the Earth by the FOTD? That "hydroplate" theory? 🤪
So when Genesis talks about the great fountains of the deep coming out from below is this what Kurt is describing here that formed these caves?
Probably not. These processes were later.
Was fossilization happening after the flood too? How were the cave animals fossilized after flood waters receded?
They were buried by mud.
COO'-po-law: Like a steeple-like cupola on the roof of a house or building.
Are any of the caves from the fountains of the great deep that were broken up?
In all likelihood, the majority of the caves were formed when the fountains of the deep were opened up during the flooding of Noah's time.
Possibly the caves with land animal fossils were formed during flood and older caves without them existed before flood and could have signs of being broken up?
Highly unlikely since the fountains were beneath the bottom of the current ocean
@@rcmodelr thank you
@@bookofrevelation4924 thank you
i dont see any acid pools in my spelunking says the rocky mountan man
....very interesting....
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95% of all limestone deposits come from the shells of marine creatures such as coccolithophores, foraminifera, corals, mollusks. When these creatures die their calcium containing exoskeletons sink to the ocean floor as soft sediment. The accumulation is very slow, on the order of just a few cm every 1000 years. Eventually after being buried deeply enough the soft sediment lithifies into hard limestone.
Now for the story in this video to be correct:
1. The Flood had to have enough nutrients to cause massive blooms of this marine life, enough to form hundreds of meters of sediment from their shells in one year.
2. Somehow the fresh sediment had to lose all its water content and lithify into hard limestone.
3. More acidic water showed up from somewhere underneath and blasted out these caves in the limestone.
4. The acidic water all drained away.
5. More regular water carrying the remains of Pleistocene mammals then washed the remains along with non-limestone mud depositing into the caves.
6. The remains then fossilized in the non-limestone mud deposits.
Anyone want to defend or amend this scenario? 😜😜😜
Amend? Yes!
The fossils were dragged into the cave by dinosaurs.
They were fluent in English - like the serpent in the Garden of Eden.
They wrote the lyrics to "The River".
Bruce Springsteen killed them all, to steal the credit for the song.
(And that's how they went extinct)
Vegans don't believe plants consume calcium from dead animals. And Christians don't believe on science because their astrology books told them this is as good as knowledge gets. (They thought Saturn was the furthest planet, hence the speciality of the number 7,so yeah).
according to Brian Nickel and the hydroplate theory (Walt Brown), there is no way an organic origin of all the earth's limestone is chemically feasible. See his video "problems with limestone formation". Very interesting
You do realize, don't you, that no one has actually observed 1,000 years of lime deposition? You're conflating a process and a rate with ancient history.
You're # 1 point looks like bizarre imagination.
Not speaking for others, my model doesn't require that at all.
@@mmaimmortals You apparently don't realize that "no one saw it" is the all-time dumbest creationist excuse for dodging science ever devised? 😄
Point #1 is directly from AIG's "How Did Limestone Form" article so yes, it IS bizarre imagination. 😅
Of course you "forgot" to provide your own explanation, as usual.
We also have to address the fact that the rock can have many different densities and makeup. Some of these features look like root and trunk channels from ancient trees, from before the clay turned to stone. The floodwaters create pressures that can cause erosion beyond the understanding of these theories. Many of the caves I have been in are eroded fault lines. We can look at the rocks surround Boone Lake and see how quickly the rock with erode, as the lake has only been there for 70 years. The black limestone is wearing away faster than the theories depict. This says the theories need to be updated. Black limestone is extremely hard limestone! I have issues believing the narrative is worth the paper they are written on!
What theories are you referring to?
@@AtticusLaineBlos both theories spells out in this video. I thought my comment was thorough enough for a geologist. But you aren't educated.
Most caves were formed after the flood because the sediment and the tectonic movements during the flood changed the entire face of the Earth.
Caves form very slowly. The process is well understood.
@@vladtheemailer3223the theory is well understood
@@roberttorres6859 Either way, we know how it happens and the process is slow.
@@vladtheemailer3223 how slow is the question
And Amen !😮😊🙏
Water comes from the deep Also , i agree.❤
The big question no creationist will touch - how did the Flood manage to deposit 200-300m thick layers of limestone in the first place? Limestone sediment slowly precipitates out of still water, less than 5mm / 1000 years, and is formed from the shells of tiny marine creatures called foraminifera. It *doesn't* form in a flood.
Many address this question. Don't know where you've been hiding.
@@Video81501 Then give me your explanation.
@@Video81501Addressing isn't the same as demonstrating that this can all happen rapidly.
I've addressed the question directly myself.
And your 1000 year claim is pure imagination. No one has ever seen 5mm of lime deposited over a 1000 year period, let alone 300 meters worth at that rate.
Fun fact: lime quarries are usually above sea level, which means the sea was on land...
@@mmaimmortals Fun fact 1 - Waving your hands and going *NUH-UH!* does not constitute addressing the huge problem with YEC claims.
Fun fact 2 - you're as clueless on limestone deposition as you are on biology and geology and paleontology and everything else in science. "No one saw it" is still the all-time dumbest argument creationists have ever dreamed up. 😄
Fun fact 3 - Of course seas have ingressed and regressed many times in the 4 billion years life has been on Earth. Plate tectonics has also raised some areas that were once below oceans to above sea level. I notice you forgot to give us your explanation for why some limestone quarries are above sea level. 😆
Those river channels look like where giant roots used to be and have rotted away.
What is the Pleistocene?
What is Google?
@GuenterBechly why be a jerk? You took the time to fashion a specific response showing your obvious knowledge of the pleistocene and now you can be bothered to insult people but not actually educate them? For all of your knowledge, what you lack is the greatest thing you could gain.
The Pleistocene is the geological epoch that lasted from c. 2.58 million to 11,700 years ago.
@@helives2630 because I am always irritated when in 2024 someone still posts such a question on a forum and waits for an answer by some random person of questionable competence, instead of typing exactly the same string of letters into Google and get an instant correct answer. It was meant as a kind of advice in the spirit of „it is better to teach a poor man how to fish than to just give him a fish“ 😉 By the way: You have a very aggressive and negative attitude that does not ring very Christ-like to me (see you other comment below mine).
It means the ice age. Forget the fictional dates associated with it.
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I wonder if this explains the rapidly growing number of Sinkholes on the Florida peninsula?
According to science, caves evolved over millions of years by hydrological processes in order to better adapt to a changing geological landscape.
If you believe explanations this while ignoring evidence to the contrary: you are willingly allowing yourself to be deceived, limiting your potential for success, and committing a great disservice to your family.
Don't fall prey believing all your selfish desires will be fulfilled so long as you think what your told to and refuse to question it. Don't confuse ignorance for faith.
Which leaves the question.. How acidic was the great flood during Noah’s time?
Probably as acidic as the current ocean. Why?
@@VernCrislerThat's not enough to form the caves rapidly.
@@VernCrisler if it may have something to do with concentrations of various crystalline formations found in localized pockets.
@@opendstudio7141 Possibly. My understanding from the lecture is that it's the underground water that is acidic, and percolates up through the limestone.
I've yet to see a Noah's Flood explanation which didn't require invoking multiple supernatural miracles. From removing excess heat and radiation caused by Accelerated Nuclear Decay to dispersal of the animals from the Ark to the reconstitution of complex ecosystems. If your explanation relies on multiple miracles why not just say the whole thing was one big miracle which left no physical evidence?
I've not seen too many objections to YEC or the Flood that didn't invoke huge amounts of imagination that neither evolutionists nor creationists actually believe.
I will grant though that AND is the product of a particular YEC model.
Nevertheless, I do agree that no AND happened. At least not in any appreciable amount that provides any explanatory power.
I'm not including Creation Week though, which is by definition a miracle.
I still don't call it AND though.
@@mmaimmortals As usual you hand-wave and blither but can't support a single one of your YEC claims.
FFS…the plural of evidence is EVIDENCE not evidences.
Early man would not have lived in caves. Too easily trapped. They probably used them as temporary shelters. But never as homes. You will see in some cave paintings of hunting scenes; Decorative of what might be for sale in these temporary little shops. They certainly sold meat in those days. Also booze. Which is why they also have hand imprints, to measure the age of prospective buyers of alcohol. Nobody would have wanted to be found selling booze to children.
A form of age identification.
So the huge deep pits really could be the fountains of the deep opening up. I always joked that's what they were
No.
Does this guy really think there is only one explanation for cave formation for all the caves on the planet?? Good grief. 🙄
A: Well, he DID offer the hypothesis for all of the "North American limestone caves"...
B: And he also said that we have "older caves than these, but they contain zero land-based fossils". I think I'm quoting him accurately enough.
A + B = No, he didn't try to explain ALL caves in the world in one statement.
@@PatrickKQ4HBD In the title and description he doesn't say *SOME* caves form this way. Every time he just said *CAVES* form this way. That's amazingly disingenuous and misleading if was only talking about some caves.
@@PatrickKQ4HBD _but they contain zero land-based fossils_ Do some quick research on *cave paleontology.* There are many cave systems in the U.S. alone which contain fossils of terrestrial species. Carlsbad Caverns in NM contain the fossil remains of many extinct mammal species.
@@samburns3329 didn’t he say there are no pre-pleistocene fossils in cave sediments?
@@Meow-xx6oo Yep at 34:40. One more silly and easily rebutted claim with no connection to reality. For example we have _Australopithecus_ fossils found in the Sterkfontein Cave in Ethiopia which date to between 3.4 to 3.6 MYA. The Pleistocene goes back to 2.58 MYA so his claim is disproven right there.
Quote: "You can almost sense the water flowing up. It doesn't make much sense, going down".
Answer: Except perhaps for physics! Water does not run up, in channels. Never once has an example of water running upwards been seen by anybody. Water, when running, follow the laws of physics. Water from the bottom (hydrothermal vents, for example) disperse, as soon as they exit the ground below.
(PS. The desperation to come up with something that doesn't contradict the Genesis storyline, is both visible and audible).
The laws of physics are optional when dreaming up creationist explanations. 🙂
So, some cave systems are formed via epigenic processes and some are formed by hypogenic processes. It doesn't mean all are hypogene caves.
Formation of stalactites and stalagmites depends on dripping water and water doesn't drip upwards! So many caves are obviously epigenic.
Vertical entry shafts are often caused by collapse of a section of the cave roof long after the cave beneath was formed. This changes nothing!
The very old age of many caves has been well established by reverse paleomagnetism in cave formations.
To suggest all caves were formed by hypogenic processes caused by the mythical global flood of Noah is just absolute nonsense! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Two separate processes. 1) cave formation 2) Later modification (infilling w/ stalactites) You are assuming it was all the same process.
@@Video81501 A continuation of the same process.
I didn't see where he said all caves were formed by one process.
I did hear him make a direct reference to more than one cave formation process though.
And paleomagnetism can't tell you the age of anything.
@@mmaimmortals cope harder
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days,
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
In Genesis 1 verse 1 no time frame is given, so no one knows how long this took.
In Exodus 20:11 the entire creation is perfected, so this is a different context.
It is better that we do not add or subtract anything from Bible texts, this is also stated in Deuteronomy 4:2
@@heinpereboom5521 I agree so why do YEC leaders delete from the Bible: Hebrews 4:9-10, Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6, Romans 1:20,
Psalm 19 1-4, and Gen 2:4.
Why do YEC leader act like Jews Pharisees says we must keep the 7th day. When the NT teaches that 7th day as not ended.
And for the Jews the 7th day was not always 24 hours. The Jewish practice of the seven-year land rest, is a commandment from God to leave the land of Israel fallow and not work it every seven years. So a day is a year?
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours)
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
Gen 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” referring to the whole time of the six days,
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.
You need to take a course in hermeneutics.
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I don't have much to do with learned people who explain something because they think it is right.
Making up your own theory about everything doesn't seem like a good thing to me.
Theologians are the right people to explain Bible texts, they know the origin of the meaning.
You also have to be careful about accepting stories from learned people.
Take for example Martin Luther, a great reformer, a learned and intelligent man with courage, but he was also a great anti-Semite, given his clear statements about Jews, which were really not based on anything, but were just his own opinion.
The same goes for the current Pope Francis, who says that God caused the big bang but cannot do everything and has let evolution take its course and lo and behold, here we are now.
Many people also believe what the Pope says.
To me this is a very strange statement from a church leader that I have heard, because then everything is based on coincidence.
This invalidates Genesis and Jesus has become a random passer-by who just tells something about the sin of people. Scholars from the Vatican who want to prove God with astronomical research and have a radio telescope for that, it is getting crazier.
Adding or subtracting something from a Bible text is not wise (Deuteronomy 4:2), then division arises and various churches, as well for interpretations of learned people who think they know it and think that we should think that too.
@@VernCrisler When someone replies with name-calling or insults, I know the person has not one idea about the topic at hand.
No they were not. Caves are formed from rainwater dissolving limestone. Creating spaces and passageways.
That's the old way of interpreting the data. This is another way to interpret the same data. Isn't science great?
Some caves are formed by hypogene processes, but certainly not all of them, or even most of them. The proposal that they were all created that way because of the flood of Noah is just absolute preposterous nonsense!
@@PatrickKQ4HBD Not when it is deliberately misused to try and give credence to an ancient collection of myths and fairytales.
@@mirandahotspring4019 Do you know any limestone caves that doesn't have the features discussed?
@@all41tja I spent several years as a tour guide in limestone caves and it's pretty obvious how they formed, and it wasn't from water coming up from the deep!
Embarrassing that adults cling to fairy tales.
I’ll pray that the truth will find you….
🤍📯🕒⏳⌛; josh, please explain sea shell fossils & fossil jellyfish on top of the Himalayan mountains
@@turtlegrams6582easy, they flew there
@@turtlegrams6582 Plate tectonics...but then, nobody has seen that at work, so that doesn't count for creationists...
A fool says in his heart, "there is no God".
Simply delusional.
This is ridiculous. Caves in limestone karsts were formed by water eroding the limestone from the top down. We can see the process at work today. This guy would get laughed out of any geologic conference.
Because we see it today, that doesn't prove it has been going on for thousands or millions of years.
Absolutely! These clowns seize on one little scientific fact and distort and twist it to try and prove their delusional old myths are real. While there are some caves formed by hypogene processes, the vast majority of them aren't. I notice he didn't address cave formations, that depend of water dripping down for thousands of years! Or maybe water also drips upwards in his world.
Not if conducted in Europe.
Did Global Warming cause the Flood... Or Catastrophic Geology? LoL~!
Creationists are a cult.
Speculative nonsense, like all creationist bile.
Reported.
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