Tiny 11 on Tiny Computers
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Tiny 11 is a stripped down, debloated version of Windows 11, that is perfect for tiny computers. Trying out Tiny 11 on a Sony VAIO UX ultraportable handheld and a Microsoft Lumia 950XL phone.
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@Kingdom3533's Tiny 11 ARM video, 'Windows 11 Phone? | Tiny11 Pro 22H2 on the Lumia 950XL'
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Depeche Mode - Stripped (Down to the Bone excerpt)
I made an error in this video saying this UX has a Core2Duo, The CPU in this machine is an Intel Core2Solo U2200 1.20 GHz.
Fun fact: did you know it's possible to replace the Core2Solo with a Core2Duo CPU and some fine soldering skills. It has been done by some skilled VAIO UX owners in the past. I will need to learn more soldering skills before I can try that myself though :)
Correction on Intel's first 64-bit CPU: That honour goes to the ill-fated Itanium which was intended by Intel to be their replacement for x86 but did not catch on beyond some use on servers and workstations. The first x86-64 chip by Intel was a Xeon model called _Nocona_ and the first consumer-grade Intel CPU to come with x86-64 was the E0 revision of the Prescott core.
Could you please try and run the latest version of Android on a old computer lol pls do it
dosdude1 might be able to do this type of magic (possibly memory increase as well)
you should find a professional soldering repair shop and send it to them to do, with those tiny bga chips its very easy to break pads or get melted to gether solder balls which may kill the cpu or mainboard
ghost spectre is better than tiny 11
Seeing the Lumia running W11 so badly makes me want to see Windows phones come back. With a few tweaks it could be amazing and give a totally unique mobile experience with the taskbar, especially as W11 now runs Android apps so wouldn't be many downsides as I assume you could find a way to sideload most android apps and google services needed to run things like YT. I would 100% rock one.
Same here. For a long time I hated Microsoft for killing off Windows Mobile as I saw it as a true Windows on a phone experience but now I'd gladly take a modern Lumia and, as you say, Android app compatibility would fix the issue of lacking app ecosystem
youtube in browser on Android allows you to play video with screen off while it's blocked as a paid feature in the app
what would you need the app for?
microsoft you can come back to the fight just get win 11 phones we will be happy for the return of windows mobile 11.
Linux phones are becoming a thing
@@AncientTruthSeeker Linux phones have crappy UX. It's just a reskinned GNOME and most apps are optimized for desktop usage.
SONY should revive their handheld VAIO umpcs to compete with Steam Deck and other umpcs! This is the perfect time for this market!
Just turn off the transition animation
Do you think he looks at comments?
@@everythingpony well
he does
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That, and disabling apps working on the background
This is making me compelled to buy a Lumia 950 now, since I absolutely love the idea of miniature devices behaving like a desktop
The 950 XL model is better. If you can find one for a good deal it's an amazing little computer. Just remember the GPU is not well supported for graphics such as gaming.
@@JanusCycle They're basically the same thing, 950XL is better supported for these mods though.
Take a look at renegade project first, Lumia is sadly too old for Windows 10 and 11, but other phones can be better option
@@balmashev93 I'm interested in the renegade project, but it seems a lot more complicated to get started with as it simply supports more devices and is more involved.
Plus, the Lumia 950 series of phones is typically more modifiable, cheaper, and interesting to me.
Had the XL at released, coworkers laughed at me not having an iPhone or android. Jokes on them, I sold it for $50 😅
Your videos give this unusual 2013 UA-cam feels and I like it a lot. Plus it's always very interesting to see these obscure and unusual devices from the time when companies used to experiment a lot. Love your videos!
2013 UA-cam feel, I like that!
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Cool video. Thanks for the shoutout :) The comparison between the VAIO and Lumia is very interesting. Shows how far technology has come in the last decade. Have you seen Windows 11 on the 2018 PocoPhone F1? From videos at least, it looks amazing.
FINALLY, someone put Windows on an Android device thats not made by MS. Not that i have anything against MS, id love a Windows Duo, but they are still so costly.
You have some great videos and deserve the shoutout. I've been monitoring the Renegade Project, very impressive work. Looking forward to seeing where this goes.
@@JanusCycle The best option for now is Poco X3 Pro, 'cos it has powerful Snapdragon 860 with GPU capable of x64 emulation. Take a look at videos with it, it's really impressive
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@@balmashev93 Thanks for the hint. That is very impressive. I might have to buy one to test it myself :)
The Vaio would benefit from Windows 8.1. Yes, really. Even lighter than Windows 7 and of course 10, it's great for Core 2 based machines. I was able to daily drive a 2006 Dell XPS M1710 a few years ago when my Mac was in for repair.
I agree, its the most stable windows version PERIOD
I still have windows 8.1 on a laptop and desktop of mine, with startisback+ as well to make it more 'normal' lol the desktop is my vr rig though and it's frustrating that some programs want windows 10 and refuse to run on 8.1 now
For an actually good user experience, you could try Tiny7 which uses less than 512mb of ram and can even fit into under 2GB of storage if you disable the swap partition
but is it for arm?
Is there a Tiny Vista out there?
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I went to the comments section just to write this
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Honestly there's even a way stripped down version then tini11 called atomic11, it's 1Gb in size. It runs so smoothly on my surface go 3
Ghost Spectre Super Lite is the smallest versions of W10 and W11, Lite10 and Lite11 just removes the usual stuff but Ghost Spectre goes a step further.
@@SMGJohn Ghost Spectre Super Lite is about 3.4 GB in size, while Atomic11 is only 1Gb.
@@marco.scaligeri
Bruh, size is not what defines how well it runs, its the services running in the background.
@@SMGJohn I tested both, size means also less services runnnin in the bg...that's why I'm suggesting it ;)
Bought my Vaio UX a few years ago (second hand) just to fulfill how I remember seeing one in the shop as a kid and thought it was so cool. I elected to leave it on XP as it just really isn't up to running even 7. I do actually still use it occasionally for one purpose, as it is extremely portable to take with me in my car, and has no trouble running its equally ancient ECU tuning software.
XP really is the best for this model. I may go back there after trying out these other OSs. Great to hear from a fellow UX owner :)
@@JanusCycle I tried to stay with 7 Starter for a while, but even that wasn't optimal. Some of them apparently shipped with Vista and I can't comprehend how those were ever usable.
The slide-up keyboard is a godsend for my application. I thought to upgrade to a newer Win10-based tablet, but because most interactions require having to input numbers, onscreen keyboard is super annoying.
@@Ashquacks Honestly, Vista wasn't the resource hogging monster everyone seems to remember it as, provided there were good drivers available for your hardware.
@@delimitnc yes I know, I'm a big fan of Vista. This however was a machine that, even when it was new, was woefully underpowered. Anything beyond XP just isn't a good time.
Entertaining video, I wasn't too surprised by how slow 11 is on the VAIO.
This reminds me of my teenage years. I remember back when I got Android to run on an iPhone 3GS for the first time after a jailbreak. It's so fun freeing our little devices to do things they were never intended to do.
Mate I’ve fallen in love with this channel. You’ve got the perfect amount of everything needed for a great channel. Interesting technology, a good voice, knowledge, and a love for tinkering. Btw, it’s such a shame that Lumia didn’t continue till today. The 950XL was a fantastic phone, and I really liked its UI. Look forward to more of your videos mate. Cheers.
I'm glad you are enjoying. Thank you for your compliments :)
When you are starting windows you need to set up a manual pagefile size of a few gigs or memory, strip down effects and unnecessary things, go to accesibility and disable transparency and all that stuff, and finally energy plans and set it on high performance. This usually increases responsiveness.
I just discovered this channel! And I regret not finding this earlier! Your content is super duper awesome and I love it. It's my style! Thank you and can't wait to see more. 😊
I'm really glad you found my channel. I enjoy making these videos and it's good to hear you want to see more. Thanks.
My jam is weird and obselete technology that is unheard of to many people. And your channel fits that. Haha
Same, today
that's really dope
I never knew you even COULD run alternate OSs on the windows phones...
I wish Windows phone was half as good as you make it look. It's all I really wanted in a phone, tbh. And you're showing, like, a glimpse into what we could have had.
same, I honestly would prefer having a Windows phone like he showed wiht SMS and phone, over Android, because I just want a mini computer not a "app storage device that can't be touched for my security reason"
4:58 " *Tnstalling* this is relatively smooth ..."
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Thank you for this. Possible future life for Lumia phones. ❤ I love Lumiaaaa
How small can Tiny 11 be? Can you make an iso of 700MB so that it fits on a single CD?
The first 64-bit consumer cpu by Intel was Intel Pentium 4 661 or 670.
That is true, thanks. I could have said the Core2Solo was the first popular mainstream CPU to be more accurate.
@@JanusCycleOK
To install windows 11 on unsupported hardware, you can also open regedit from cmd, create a key with a few values, then the OS installs as normal.
I find old x86 devices good for specific light linux or windows uses, or as terminals, have heavy tasks run on another device over the local network.
Intel had a few 64 bit CPUs before the Core 2, a couple of Xeons and Pentium 4s. They were terrible and fell behind a Core 2 running at a fraction of the clockspeed. There were a ton of chipset limitations and a 32 bit memory controller (from what I remember) on some early chipsets that limited early Core 2 CPUs to 4 GB or less of RAM despite being technically compatible with more. It was a strange time.
You'd find IDE and SATA on the same board and tons of crossover options to maintain backwards compatibility with older standards.
Great video - and love your persistance. Have you tried Tiny11 on iPad Pro M1 with UTM?
Also, a tool called "MSGM Toolkit" can be used to make custom Windows ISO's. I usually will start with a Windows Server ISO, to get the cleanest base with no bloatware, than you can strip EVERYTHING with MSGM Toolkit. From the Microsoft Store and Cortana, all the way down to Windows defender, the start menu task bar and explorer.exe itself, etc.
Obviously it can go overkill, but it's way more powerful. It's also open-source and just functions using simple DISM commands.
Windows defender in particular, is very taxing especially on old hardware. Obviously it's never exactly a good idea to remove your anti-virus, but for situations like this video it make sense.
Very interesting tool you mention there, thanks!
Pro tip: Most of those Windows CMD commands in diskpart all have shortcuts.
Example: "select disk 1, select partition 1" can just be "sel dis 1, sel par 1" etc.
I have since learned and done this :)
shove linux on it
Interesting... I've got a pair of Lumia 650s here, neither doing anything useful. I wonder if I can make those work? I know they're a bit smaller than the 950XL. Also, I wonder if it'll work on other ARM based kit, like older tablets?
My first computer had 16Mb of RAM and ran Windows 95. The fact that an “optimised” version of Windows needs 2Gb shows how massively bloated the OS has become.
It’s impressive: that Sony mini computer could hack the operating system for a variety of Skynet Terminators, but it struggles to run a cut-down version of Windows 11.
This tells you how bloated Microsoft makes their OS 😂
Speaking of emulation, windows' subsystem (both linux and android on github) might be an amazing try for these old tiny devices
New to channel. Sub earned! Would love to see you test game emulators on these devices. Will boost views ten fold. "Running Nintendo 64 emulator on tiny device using windows" everytime you do this on a phone or old pc run emus. That will bring the crowd.
Thank you. I do love retro gaming and emulating. I hope to have more gaming style videos soon.
I really need to try this on my Lumia. The last hope to make it borderline usable and not slower than molasses.
Dude, it's literally running at like 5fps on the Lumia doing nothing.... I want this too but it aint good enough to be used..
@@oscarsh2909 So leaving it lying in a drawer doing nothing, thats a better use of the phone?
@@UnknownObservers Better use of your mind as well
I bet that thing would run Linux like a dream.
Sceptical!
Microsoft's tradition of bloating down installations and taking them from ultra-fast to sluggish in just a couple of updates will not play well here as the margins are so much smaller. Also Microsoft survey's everything you do on a Windows machine and that will also hurt a low end hardware.
This is why the ultra scalable Linux platform has a firm grip on this market and Windows will probably have a hard time competing here. Windows dominance on the pc market is because it is a general purpose hardware, so a middle of the road performance, one size fits all OS is appealing. Same applies when you scale up one step above a department server or general use pc. Here Microsoft doesn't stand a chance. It's just that narrow gap of "good enough" and where you have more hpk then you really need, that suites Microsoft's products.
As things get smaller it also tends to be a more focused use case and you need to make use of a relatively weak hardware and that's not something you can easily fix with just a stripped down Windows. You need a platform that has scalability at it's core and that is not Windows. That's why SteamOS is Linux, that's why your SmartTV, your car, your mobile and all your smart home appliances all run Linux.
Were you unable to find the graphics driver for the VAIO? I'm sure graphics drivers made for Vista x64 or 7 x64 would work on Tiny11, or even the full fat version of Windows 11.
I installed tiny 11 superlite on a lenovo flex with 4gb ram and a 3350 celeron processor and its SO SLOW. how can it be so snappy on yyour phone. Is the 11 you used better that the superlite version?
my phone is a lumia 950 xl whiz windows 11, How i can install whatsapp on my lumia, i don´t have whatsapp for 4 years because this
Hi, Can you do a video about nokia's most sold phone ever the 1100? also 1100 was in the news a while back for being involved in interception of someone else's sms.
next try to run linux mint xfce on it.
Are you using a normal HDD or SSD in your Vaio UX? Even Windows 7 was very slow on one of my Vaio UX until I installed an SSD.
I'm using an SSD, I installed a faster one than the original as well!
I did this on 3 systems from Nokia and sold them on Ebay. In the end you cant open anything and it became extremally sluggish.
I have a stripped down Windows 10 ISO that takes 3GB installed and 600MB of RAM after a boot.
the problem with these "tiny windows" versions is that gradually over time regardless of start menu options, it will start to soak up more and more ram from regular use, installing shit ect
#Janus Cycle... Fab Video. Greetings from Perth WA.
I have a Dell Latitude ST 10" tablet. It is a rebadged Computer Motion CL900 with a z270 (z260) single core atom x86 1.5ghz CPU and 2Gb ddr2 ram. I have just got Win 7 SP1 going on it but as it is x86 only, my options are limited. W11 is x64 only. Any thoughts on an OS upgrades? It uses an mSata and I have a few of those up to 1tb. I managed to get the drivers to get it to windows 8. Apparently the last version of W10 it can run is 1607. the 1st anniversary of W10. The Tablet has some great features which I don't want to lose. EG Pen, handwriting recognition, etc. Cheers Mate - David
You could try a lite version of a later Windows 10 build. You might have to bypass restrictions like I did installing Windows in this video. But Windows 7 is also great, I hope to downgrade an old Windows 8 tablet to 7 soon :)
@@JanusCycle G'Day and thanks so much for replying! After a week of trying to get windows update to work I error code 80072EFE... I've tried every trick in the book to no avail. I'm at the point of your suggestion of VS-W10 , but Drivers stopped at Win 8 (Those need reg hacks to work) or going *nix. Honestly I'm at the point of donating it. All that said, I loved your video and subscribed. Thank you for making such great content ! - David (Perth WA)
its nice someone 0ut there cares about this and is keeping it alive. i wish reactOS woiuld catch up already so we could revive our old beloved mini pcs. i love this little computer, used it for college with a stripped down version of windows 7.
i much prefer the oqo model 02. its what i always wanted and i want one with a 12th gen intel core or the new chinese via centaur generation cores but sadly can't just transplant its guts and swap.
i would still use this stuff if everything wasn't so incompatible with current gen stuff. they make amazing office PCs and the GPD win series doesn't capture the pocketable, fancy keyboard nicheness utilitarianess this retro stuff has.
i loved the viao UX series, biggest reason was you could install Chell graphics driver mod and play GTA San Andreas on the go....friggin loved that. but nowadays the GPD win series just blows that away
really great for music, never getting rid of my UX50 lol
sorry for my rants. love this stuff :D
Go for it, I enjoy reading comments :)
I really like your clean pronunciation, I can easily watch without subtitles, thanks for that.
cool, thanks
how come outdated 15 year old sony tech always feels like it's from some far off better future
Too bad all of these "tiny" versions, even Tiny 10, won't install on any of the systems I need it on.
you got the wrong version. there's one without the system requirements
I'm glad you kept yours.
this would run Ubuntu with LXDE or AntiX just fine! Would love to see a video of that, though, im sure you don't want to wipe the drive and have to reinstall later lol
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I would suggest trying micro 11 for the vaio, even tho it has weird quirks like not having a required service to connect to internet. Maybe you could try adding it back?
get retroarch up and running on it, it works on both 32 and 64 bit operating systems, would be cool to see what games this thing can play
I do like Retroarch very much
This look cool. It's give Blade Runner vibe.
You should ask Enderman. He is a master at skipping the setup.
I'd love to see the Nintendo Switch run on Windows or Android or Linux
thank you for all the work you do. i really enjoy every video you make. please dont change this style of making videos. :)
Lumia 950 plays android app with Windows 11 😅
That Sony Vaio still looks pretty sweet, even by today's standards. And now you've made me look at my old Nokia Lumia 1020 and wonder what I could do with it.
Do it on the first surface go 😁 I think that'll be a challenge.
Cool, if you forget that any windows is a malware by itself
if you want to speed up timing for the DISKPART install, you can use
‘conv mbr’
‘cre part pri’
‘form fs=ntfs quick’
‘sel part 1’
and other commands as normal.
great tip, thanks
Do Android-x86 version 6.0 on that Sony vaio tablet because Android is made for touchscreen.
I really like this idea. I'm curious how well thee hardware such as the GPU will be supported.
Try ghost spectre. It’s even smaller and runs faster.
Yeah I tried it its not that bad plus it have a comand line that let's you reinstall some stuff if you need to.
@DarkIceyWolf it works on laptops with emmc storage and celeron chips too
2GB of RAM? sorry but no, that is not tiny. Tiny would be running on a HP LX200 with 2MB of RAM.
My 200LX only has 1MB if RAM, even tinier :) But the physical dimensions of these two here are comparable in their tiny size at least. Especially when compared to the size of a PDP-11.
Hi, Janus! I watched the video and i thought that it would be pretty interesting to install the following systems on the VAIO:
1. Windows 8.1 Embedded Industry Pro or maybe Windows 8.1 RT3 (For Surface RT) and maybe even Windows 8.0 build 9200/8400.
2. Windows 10X (Find a tutorial how to install)
3. Android x86_64.
Some great suggestions there. I've never used Windows 8(.1) and always been curious.
@@JanusCycle I've been using Windows 8 for quite a long time, I'm just curious how would it act on devices like this. It might actually be a lot usable with the full screen start menu and the gestures. Plus embedded industry pro is intended for use in low-end pc's.
Windows 10X is just like ChromeOS(Would like to see it on vaio too) but capable of running Desktop/UWP apps, and intended for the tablet pc's, but it requires Microsoft Account, and there's just no way around. Thx for the reply!
@@JanusCycle maybe it would be cool to see Windows Embedded Standard 8 and Windows Embedded Compact 2013 with custom shell. Windows 10 IoT would be cool to see too. Out of all this OSes i haven't installed only compact 2013, but if windows 11 has installed, why wouldn't it?
Hi, new subscriber here. I'm asking my question here because this is your most recent video. Question is, Have you ever used any of the Sharp Zaurus line of digital assistants known as the Zaurus line of PDAs? The very last one was released in 2004 and is model SL-C3200. There were several previous models in this category, they all have a full keyboard and can be rotated into tablet mode. The earlier models were: SL-C1000, SL-C3000, SL-C3100. These all had one SD slot and one CF slot and usb host/client IRda and headphone jack. These came with Japanese OS and run Linux. The ARM processor is ARM ver 5. Some models came with a 4GB microdrive. Thank you, Bill
Hi Bill, I remember seeing one a long time ago. But it had a had a black and white screen from memory. The models you mention looks newer and sound much more interesting. Thank you for mentioning them. I hope one day I can find one and try it out!
Tiny11 on ARM for OnePlus Open?
I tried Tiny11 on my Steam Deck on an external SSD and it's been as flawless as Windows on the Deck gets. Great little OS if you want your resources free for shenanigans.
Can't believe these sell for £700 ++ on ebay
in Rufus you can turn off all the annoying and add local account
I love the fact you tinker with older tech on this channel like me. We all likely have a tech graveyard. Of the days past that were top of the line, then eventually fell out of favor. And finally, ended up relegated to a drawer or box. But I love picking up old tablets, watches and phones I have and searching for custom roms for them, to see if they can be updated. Mainly just because I can. But also, I hate the fact we create so much e waste.
If I can find little jobs these old techs can do for me. Maybe just one job. But do it semi capably around my house (for instance an old tablet for bathroom music). That can just sit on a shelf in there and stream music when showering or getting ready for the day), then that is a win for me.
Thanks for the interesting videos! ❤❤❤
I very much agree with your philosophy. Keep exploring that older tech!
@@JanusCycle will do!
Hi can you do a video with ghost spectre 11?
Try running puppy Linux or some other distro
Wonder if you could try tiny 11 on your F-07C. Would it be able to recognize the emmc and intsall/boot from it?
I would love that. But the F-07C is limited by it’s 32-bit CPU, can’t run Win 11.
@@JanusCycle Ah, forgot about that nugget :\
Just remembered. You did a video about W10 on this. Have you tried tiny 10 on it?
I have not tried. I would like to get back to that phone. Tiny 10 is a possibility. But I want something with a better chance in only 1GB.
Also the mystery of how Windows XP on eMMC based netbooks work, which do exist, needs to be solved.
I'm also hoping for an XP powered F-07C.
Finally managed to snatch one from japan last week, albeit without the docking station.
Do you know of any XP running netbooks that run on emmc? Especially if they're models sold in the US or Europe, I could try to find/get one in working condition
You should probably install an actual GPU driver, it might speed things up considerably
Wow super cool and interesting!!!!
I gotta try this ISO image on my HP Mini 210.
Genuinely in awe of you sir!
Recently yet unexpectedly come across you and your channel and content. Absolutely hooked on your content!
Stay amazing sir!
sir stop making awesome videos!
dusted off my old 950's , just waiting on another charger to try this tiny11 arm build on them
I hope it goes well :)
Yo so this may be a dumb question but is it really "guwie" and not just the letter's sounded out? Isn't gui an acronym?
I do think that it depends on how you learn. Reading vs hearing can produce differences like this.
Cool video
This only works on 64bit machines, do they have one for old 32bit?
Windows 11 is 64bit only, the world has changed.
Try something like Pop!OS or some arm compatible Linux distro on the Lumia, and maybe the x86 version on the VAIO?
Only windows works on the lumia
@@KofolaDealer Someone has gotten Debian to run on the Lumia 950xl
ua-cam.com/video/vuHwaWLcy-U/v-deo.html
8:46 What about Pentium D and earlier Xeon Intel's 64 bit cpu's?
Yes! I should have said 'first mainstream 64 bit CPU'.
Anyone ever tell you that you sound like Hal from 2001 a space Odyssey
I like that :)
There's still a lot more you can do to get Tiny11 to run well on something like this, but I'm going to guess you don't want to tinker with it anymore XD
With the RAM limitation I'm not optimistic. I have some other OSs I want to try on here in the meantime. But I have been hearing about some other custom 11 versions that are even more stripped down than Tiny 11.
Nice content, I’ve subscribed
I hope to to find the best os your vaio
Tiny 11 is the real deal. I'm running all my major devices on it.
If there is tiny11 where's big11
That's default windows
diskpart also understands its commands if you only type the first three letters. cre par pri, sel par 1
thanks!
you're improving a lot, congrats!
Try this on a Sony Vaio vgn-p70 or other P series of mini laptops. 😊
I will get a P series VAIO one day :)