I had 8 on laptops and desktops and it was so slow. I used the classic shell and it made it look like classic windows but it was constantly at 100% max CPU use even on a quad core clean install with 16gb memory and SSD I don't know what Microsoft was thinking
I had a Garmin Nüvi 2460LMT, i used to install different position markers (they are stuff on the screen that tells you your current position), and i had so much fun with it
Modern handheld gaming PC is basically a modern take on these MID/UMPC It's now powerful enough to be a daily PC, but they need to be a little smaller to become actually pocketable like these devices
windows 8 was the best optimized system i have ever used. It is much faster than windows 7 you can feel the difference on old machines. It was the first windows to feature real-time protection and smartscreen.
The main thing Microsoft did wrong with Windows 8 was changing the interface so much that it was unrecognisable by people used to the standard Windows interfaces of the past. They should've at least given people an option like they did in Windows 10 with tablet mode. It's a shame because that single start menu change completely overshadowed all the other interface and performance improvements. I had a fully setup Windows 8 system with a 5400 rpm drive that booted to the desktop, ready to go in around 40 seconds (where a Windows 7 Ultimate install would take a bit more than 2 minutes). It's not just the boot times either, the explorer was improved, copy/paste was improved, it had a vastly better task manager; it was a breath of fresh air back in the day. It's still the snappiest OS after Windows XP. Either way, great video.
@pyeltd.5457 XP absolutely was snappier on account of it being built for older hardware and not having things gradually tacked onto it for another decade
Really nice video. I never known this device existed. I used Windows 8.1 until 2023 . And for a while i prefered the start screen over the start menu. Keep up the great work :D
Same!!! Althought we only had it for 5-6-7 years, and even thought i loved and still love the Metro Design/Microsoft Design Language, the Start Screen was very hard and uncomfortable to control with a trackpad, even after all the updates that really improved Windows 8.1!! But i still really love Windows 8.1 and i have fond memories of getting on our family's laptop after school, and checking out the Tips+Tricks App (or whatever it was called, sorry, i don't remember that detail), and discovering the many tricks to operate Windows 8.1, like the Charms side-bar, how to open apps in Split-Screen, how to switch between multiple Metro/Modern apps... But our family laptop was a bit sluggish, even with Windows 8.1, because of it's low-end CPU i guess... Anyways, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 will always be one of my favorite OS's, with all their acheivements, progresses and even their problems!!! I do wonder though how easy-to-use Windows 8 would be on a tablet computer, but i never got to try it on one... Anyways, please keep it up!!! ❤❤
Believe it or not, I just loved windows 8, the version without start button. Windows 8 is my most favourite windows operating system. I also have one installed on one of my vms.
Thanks for another awesome video Janus! Fyi: the touch screen mouse issue with starcraft is due to a resolution mismatch. I've had that issue while playing starcraft and other dosbox games, anytime the monitor does not support that resolution natively. It's almost as if the game was built to support 800 x 600 only. Super weird.
Yay! Another upload! :D (I encourage you to try Windows 7 on that machine, as a portable Windows Media Center device.) (Or Vista if you wanna get crazy)
There are 2 reachable usb ports pin pairs inside you can connect some additional hardware like a card reader, units with the cellar modem had always a SSD as the modem filled half of the hdd compartment, there you have a mimi pcie port usb conencted pcie I don't remember. IIRC you can control the bios by using a key combo to switch the joystick mode. the IO port has one USB port, and VGA. I used mine with windows 7, and there is a proper touch screen driver i think i have it some ware worked on win 7 as it should, if you want to try it reach out to me.
HOLY CRAP you weren't lying. I missed this, thank you! I bought it because of business purposes in the field. It didn't turn out good. XP still didn't run that well on mine except I never swapped the ZIF Drive with Solid State. Bought it from Dynamism while they were still a company.
This Atom version included "Intel Graphics" but were Imagination Technologies PowerVR SGX545 or 540. Intel couldn't modify the drivers and it was baaaad. I moved to 7 by upgrade within the OG installation.
I've always hated intel atom CPUs, because even back in the day, they were super underpowered and disappointing. This palmtop can't do anything useful anymore.
The bigger problem with that one is the Intel GMA 500 (PowerVR SGX535) which has awful drivers. Most netbooks had Intel GMA 950 or 3150 which were actually made by Intel and had much better drivers. A lot of early 2000s games run fine on the GMA 950 and 3150 netbooks. The Atom CPUs were fine for what they were made for and had really low power consumption
I had a Acer Revo PC at the time with an atom.. it was soooo slow.. the only reason it could be used at all was the gpu and media player classic leveraging that a lot.. so I could barely use windows on it.. but watching a ripped bluray in full HD was no problem..
I just acquired 4 Sony Vaio Duo 13 and one 11. These computer were designed to work with Windows 8.1, being a hybrid of laptop and tablet. I just love them! Currently I am trying all sort of Linux distros and Windows(es). Windows 8 and 8.1 I jumped, never had contact before and now I realize... it's weid. Dear Janus, I am looking for a Ubuntu for tablets to test. That would be nice to see in your oddware machine. Great video!
Search to launch apps has been my go to method on windows since vista, when i had to stay using 8, search to launch was a godsend, Start-no enter and notepad opens
I remember back when Windows 8 was starting to release, wanting to see the laptop displays to really see the touchscreen interface they were selling hard at the time. Before, with 7, it felt like innovation at its peak performance rather than an iPad competitor with fully bendable laptops and Surface Pros
Posy's new video was the first one I watched after finishing this upload and relaxing. His work is a huge inspiration and I'm pleased to be seen in a similar vein, thank you.
for future reference, you can slipstream drivers into an off-line Windows 8.x image before deployment by mounting both the setup and OS install images using the DISM utility (via an administrative command prompt). assuming X is the drive letter where your source image is mounted and Y is the drive letter of where the image will be mounted: mounting images: DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\boot.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Index:1 DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\boot.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Index:2 DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\install.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Index:1 DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\install.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Index:2 installing drivers (assuming they (and their inf files) are extracted to their respective directories) to the offline OS images: DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse unmounting and saving changes: DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Commit DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Commit DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Commit DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Commit refer to learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/add-and-remove-drivers-to-an-offline-windows-image?view=windows-11 for more information
A friend of mine recently gave me an old Asus Transformer T100 tablet with a removable keyboard, it's running windows 8 and I can see exactly what Windows 8 was going for BUT...... Back in 2013 I bought a Asus G46VW 'Gaming' laptop that was running windows 8, no touch screen... it was utter crap, the worst 'non touch' device OS.... I think Microsoft gets so deep into an idea they don't stop to think about their main customer base(see Windows 11 for more information). P.S. Great video as always!!
Insane that you got anything working on this lil guy, i remember how much it sucked getting debian running on one, and I still never got the touchscreen working right.
I've got one of these in my closet! Haven't used it for a decade and the screen has many bad pixels but it's still there! I once used it as a standby pocket device for checking warehouse product stock on a sales floor.
Should have tried 8.1 instead. Stability fixes. Imo, 8.1 was the best OS Microsoft has ever made. The UI was the most intuitive ever. It had natural feeling gestures for both touchpad and touchscreen. For a period of time, my only PC was a Toshiba Encore 2, which ran Windows 8.1. It was the best possible experience i ever had with any PC. And the performance boost my friends got from switching from 7 to 8.1 was just insane. 8.1 truly felt like a breath of fresh air, after the cluttered UI of XP, Vista and 7.
that Defcon game is probably my fav back in the days.i got my copy thru some PC Magazine that comes with CD.the soundtrack is haunting especially when the nuclear hit your city and you watch the casualty rises
Honestly being able to use Windows XP for _six hours_ at a time when the most recent iPhone could get you six hours of a far more primitive mobile OS is amazing.
Man I was using Win2003 up to 2020, then I jumped to win2008 (server editions, stripped down to the bone), fast, stable and does anything I wanna do, I'm not a mindless gamer so I'm not forced to roll with the newer spywares.
I've got a viliv S5 as well, you can use the directional control as a mouse control, just press 3 seconds on "menu" and it will switch. Mine is the 3G modem, it has both GPS and 3G capabilities. Perfect little umpc
I still have my old viliv n5 and s5 from back in the day, they were fun little PCs that gave you the power of x86 in your pocket which was handy. There weren't a lot of mobile apps back in the day so having an x86 pc allowed you to run normal apps on the go without having to lug a laptop if it wasn't always needed. I think the n5 had GPS as well if I remember correctly.
If you can look past the lack of a Start Menu, Windows 8.x was a surprisingly solid OS. At its foundation it built on Windows 7, and I found on earlier machines it ran better than Windows 7. The lack of a Start Menu is also solved with Classic Shell or Start8. I used this setup on a 2006 DELL XPS M1730 for a while and it worked really well. As for the Viliv, unfortunately that graphics chip is a complete non-starter and is really the black sheep in the Intel GMA family. Claimed to be an Intel GMA chip, it's in fact a rebranded PowerVR SGX 535 which wasn't a bad mobile GPU to be fair - but it has awful, awful drivers. Which is a shame because if it had better driver support, I'm sure it'd be a solid GPU.
Wonderful as always. Devices in that form factor with period appropriate atom chips like the z2760 would have been so much fun. They really dropped the ball with such boring devices in the windows 8 hayday.
I had one of these viliv when it first came out. I played with it for a bit but was too slow for media stuff I wanted to use. The iPad was released the following year, I sold the viliv and haven’t looked back since.
I have an idea for that thingy: Go back to XP and try to use a PS1 or a handheld emulator. This thing might not work well with Windows 8 (and considering Windows 8 is lacking support for basically anything) but it would make an awesome retro machine. I wanna playolder games or smth like Sims 1 on my phone so badly but a handheld pc is always better than a smartphone when it comes to the feels
Have you considered using an x86 emulator if on android you can use something like winlator, mobox, termux with chroot and a linux distro on top if ios i think there's a good app to help virtualize a x86 machine
Windows 8 is literally Windows 7 with some winrtapi features. I don't see how it's lacking support for anything. Windows XP is lacking support even more at this point.
@@андрей_свиридов He is thinking of Windows RT which is Windows Mobile which never had app support and never supported full desktop application such as VLC and Audacity. You had to install a special Windows App Store version which is now non existent. Windows RT is iOS but with no support so it failed with the 2011 Windows Phone and 2012 Surface
@@pyeltd.5457 yeah, it also used ARM(v6/v7) architecture which was pretty unpopular at the time, and wasn't seen as future of the desktop PC's since they were only popular in hanndheld devices.
Personally I don't mind the missing start button. Partly because at the time I was already using wp8 and windows 8 made the experience on my desktop seamless, also I always hit that win key on the keyboard to pull up start anyway. When 8.1 came out, it was a great improvement on tablet and phone, and I don't mind it in desktop environment either. Maybe because I'm heavy on keyboard and shortcut to begin with. For laptop however I was using the last osx, simply because nobody can beat that company' trackpad even though during this time MS came out with precision touchpad. My only gripe was on the server side, skipped srv2012 and held to srv2008r2 until srv2016 came out.
You always end up finding the coolest devices to take a look at. This was a fun one. The GMA 500 graphics is weird and quite awful to support unfortunately. Perhaps XP Tablet PC edition or a cut down 7 would be the best choice for an OS, even if they are rather uninteresting!
If you bought this via buyee, we might have bid on the same unit :) Viliv was really cool back then. Along with UMID, they made some of the coolest 1st gen Atom UMPCs. I highly recommend the N5. At the time, it was one of the best mini laptops money can buy. While the S5 is rare, the N5 is a lot harder to find nowadays. If buying from Japan, UMID devices there were rebranded as Kohjinsha (工人舎) PM series and Onkyo (オンキョウ) BX series. The former is the UMID M1, and the latter is the BZ.
Highly disagree! I am the original owner of an N5 still in my closet. The keyboard on it was terrible, the distance between keys is near zero so inadvertent strikes are common. It also had lots of missed keystrikes and double strikes. The Open Pandora 1ghz model ended up being my daily driver UMPC until fairly recently. New daily is pretty much a Panasonic LetsNote CF-RZ4, or one of a ton of Samsung Chromebook 3's with linux installed. Not exactly UMPC's but small compared to the norm today, no issues with linux, and good battery life. I should be finally getting my ClockworkPi Uconsole in the next few days which I am really excited for because it should last forever (18650 batteries, and a Pi Compute Module 4...so the commonly failing/upgrade things can be replaced).
Kohjinsha rebranded a lot of Korean UMPCs in the late 2000s and early 2010s. They had several mini laptops powered by AMD Geode, and a few Atom UMPCs (PM and PA series')
@crsv7armhl I think this is a case of YMMV. I have fairly thin fingers and can thumb type my way on both the UMID and Viliv N5. I wouldn't write a document on any of themselves, but for casual browsing and short messaging, they were perfect. I currently have both a GPD Pocket 2 and P2 Max. I can thumb type on the Pocket 2, and pick type on the P2 max comfortably. Again, I don't use either for any serious work, but for email, casual browsing, and the like, I really enjoy them
Awesome video Janus!! You should try installing Adele Linux cuz the devs made it lightweight to the point you might be able to use on older CPUs than Viliv S5 PMP has. Worked on my Pentium 4 PC!
I remember years ago trying to upgrade an Acer Aspire One to Windows 8.1, wanting to use it as a media laptop. Got a Broadcom HD decoder board to handle video playback and an SSD. Tried to find touchscreen kits for it, but never did. Memories. Lol
you can install open shell to make 8 look like you want. it was what i done first 5 min after purchase win8 laptop (it was classic shell back then), while whole world whining about they can't use 8.
Dosbox is running at a lower resolution but the touch screen is working for the native resolution, so it's confusing dosbox with its scaling of the touch commands
windows 8 and mobile were pretty great oses for the stuff they worked on, touch screens, and convertable laptops, windows 7 for standard laptops and desktops
I suspect that if you want to play games on that thing your best choice might be reverting it back to Windows XP. I have an old Atom netbook that's a few years newer than that one, but not much, and I remember reading back in the day that despite the fact than that generation of Atom devices always came with W7 many installed XP as a secondary OS just for gaming since the GMA drivers had better performance on XP. I've still managed to run some mid to late 2010's indie games on it but only 2D stuff, for 3D the limit was mid 2000's era games or the rare later game that was optimized to run on a toaster like the original release of "Aaaaa! for the Awesome" (the new remastered version has almost no optimization, it almost killed my modern laptop simply because it expects a dedicated GPU, runs fine on desktop tho).
Viliv! I have a Viliv N5 in my closet somewhere. Absolutely terrible keyboard... ended up with it because the mbook bz was way backordered in those days.
I wonder how well it could handle ReactOS or EmuELEC. If I had one, I think I'd updrade the SSD, and dual boot XP or 7 for playing old games, and Debian + XFCE for going online.
Kinda curious if Tiny10 or Tiny11 will work on this palmtop or if something like Zorin OS will work I would also give a shot of something like Android 9 X86 32bit a try too since it's running an old Atom CPU and has a low amount of RAM
Remix OS is an Android OS that has a desktop mode and a dedicated tablet mode for touchscreen devices. It uses Android 6 but still has support for most apps/ Playstore. It comes in 32bit and 64bit versions. If you decide to try it and need any file or apk I will be happy to share what I have. I still use Remix OS on x86 hardware for game emulation, ftp server, media, and more. Remix OS can be installed to a usb 3.0 drive with persistence via Rufus. Don't use the Rufus settings for persistence, just burn the iso as you would normally.
@@JanusCycle I have always got favorable results with Remix OS on old and new hardware alike. This OS was created by a few former employees of Google. You should at least try it on a 3.0 usb drive. If you need anything such as but not limited to, the Playstore activator apk, or help in general I will be happy to do what I can. You don't need the Google service activator apk, it's just easier if wanted.
My first exposure to Windows 8 was on a tablet designed for it, the HP Stream 7. And honestly, on a tablet designed for Windows 8 it wasn't too bad. Unfortunately they really half reared the design of the hardware so it has a 32bit uefi so it can't run 64bit windows even though it has a 64bit processor so it's forever stuck in the past. I yearn for a similar device, around 7 inches, runs desktop windows, has at least 8gb of ram. I would immediately make it my primary portable computer. Unfortunately everyone seems to be goo goo ga ga for 12+ inch tablets which are too big to fit in a pocket. I can't even find an android tablet with flagship specs at the small screen size I want. Apparently if you want a small screen in a compact device that also means you want budget specs.
I loved the small size of the Stream 7. It was nice to be able to carry a full Windows PC in a pocket and it used MicroUSB for charging so it was possible to charge it with a regular power bank. But annoyingly it only had one MicroUSB port and a 3.5mm headphone jack. It would have been nice to be able to charge it while having a USB device plugged in. HDMI would have been nice to have too
The first time I used window 8.1 was on a Nokia lumia 630 it ran like butter on that phone to me it's one of the most underrated window versions because it felt futuristic it had it's bad sides but I feel like if they given it more time and optimize it then it would have been one of greatest window operating systems
2:40 Time out for current desk top switching for windows. If we just swap out the desktop items and the foreground and background items, then we might not have to load the entire resources of creating and deploying and destroying entire environments of desktops.
@@JanusCycle I noticed you changed the thumbnail, so try going to docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SnamR8M6ywEhN1AmPRb0tbRkMcbbQEXiUrCoGtOjOHU/edit?usp=sharing for a comarison between thumbnails. For the right (new) one I had to extract it from the YT source code, wheras the left (old) one i got it from the notification page. That should explain the quality loss in the right (new) thumbnail image.
I've requested access to hopefully see your screenshot, thanks. UA-cam has a new thumbnail compare feature. I'm testing it out with two very similar photos that have just different Windows logos. drive.google.com/file/d/13X8UzqDqIvQjRR4Hbk8N-oj27L1ZHn1P/view I wonder if this is causing a problem.
@@JanusCycle While analysing the thumbnails, I noticed that the device was in a different position between the first and second thumbnail (i.e. the top and bottom ones).
I really liked Windows 8 controversial lol. It shines with a touch device like a tablet, but indeed for most desktop PCs without touch screens etc, it's not a great idea to replace the desktop with the tiles as the main focus. With a modern windows tablet, you cant get the old tiled display which is disappointing.
Installing a current version of Linux on the device would improve performance as it is less resource hungry than Windows, at the same time making it more secure and modern.
yeah, Windows 8 was so badly received by the public that they made Windows 8.1 which brought the start button back, either way i hated using both of them, 8 just got rid of the menu as a whole and 8.1 just kind of shoehorned it back in as an afterthought.
Pretty sure I bought banished when it was released in 2014, not 2007.
Thanks, I'm not sure how I got that so wrong. I must have been thinking of a different game.
I had 8 on laptops and desktops and it was so slow.
I used the classic shell and it made it look like classic windows but it was constantly at 100% max CPU use even on a quad core clean install with 16gb memory and SSD
I don't know what Microsoft was thinking
@@ocsrc Thanks for letting me know...
@@ocsrc considering 8 was designed for Metro UI
@@ocsrc how do you have your startup apps arranged, i used 8 and 8.1 and it was faster than any os that ive ever used, and it was on an HDD. 4GB ram.
Not gonna lie, the first thing I thought when seeing that device is "Huh, a car GPS". Didn't knew there were mini Atom computers this small.
And this has GPS built in. Install some maps and I have a car GPS :)
Gosh!!! Me too! I had a cheap-o-matic GPS that looks like this one. :D
@@JanusCycle oh boy!!!!
i mean its called atom for a reason haha
I had a Garmin Nüvi 2460LMT, i used to install different position markers (they are stuff on the screen that tells you your current position), and i had so much fun with it
Modern handheld gaming PC is basically a modern take on these MID/UMPC
It's now powerful enough to be a daily PC, but they need to be a little smaller to become actually pocketable like these devices
Good point. The GPD Win 3 and 4 are smaller than most, but still a little to big.
They should make laptops as handhelds, laptops are too ew to carry around specially if you are a gamer
windows 8 was the best optimized system i have ever used. It is much faster than windows 7 you can feel the difference on old machines. It was the first windows to feature real-time protection and smartscreen.
great perspective
honestly, It makes sense. because 8 was made for the not really high specs touchscreen laptops
@@UltraCenterHQ especially because windows 8 didnt have these fancy aero effects.
@@flyezzy-uc8vy nah, even Windows 10 was laggier
@@UltraCenterHQ windows 10 was laggy for other reasons.
The main thing Microsoft did wrong with Windows 8 was changing the interface so much that it was unrecognisable by people used to the standard Windows interfaces of the past. They should've at least given people an option like they did in Windows 10 with tablet mode. It's a shame because that single start menu change completely overshadowed all the other interface and performance improvements. I had a fully setup Windows 8 system with a 5400 rpm drive that booted to the desktop, ready to go in around 40 seconds (where a Windows 7 Ultimate install would take a bit more than 2 minutes). It's not just the boot times either, the explorer was improved, copy/paste was improved, it had a vastly better task manager; it was a breath of fresh air back in the day. It's still the snappiest OS after Windows XP.
Either way, great video.
Windows XP was never snappy. It's the same Windows Explorer as the one in Vista/7 as well.
@pyeltd.5457 XP absolutely was snappier on account of it being built for older hardware and not having things gradually tacked onto it for another decade
Win 8/8.1 was just super snappy.
Windows 8's performance was what made me keep using it, I'm glad I'm not the only one who acknowledged that.
Such beautiful camerawork and lighting. The reason I subscribed.
thank you!
Really enjoying the ambient music thrown into the video. It feels like an increased production value.
Thanks! I would like to include more music into videos.
Thanks
You're awesome, thanks!
The narration is like the National Geographic which describes cheetahs running very fast in tropical forests, I love it
Technological Geographic?
Really nice video. I never known this device existed. I used Windows 8.1 until 2023 .
And for a while i prefered the start screen over the start menu. Keep up the great work :D
I would have used 8.1 with classic shell if it still had security updates.
Same!!! Althought we only had it for 5-6-7 years, and even thought i loved and still love the Metro Design/Microsoft Design Language, the Start Screen was very hard and uncomfortable to control with a trackpad, even after all the updates that really improved Windows 8.1!! But i still really love Windows 8.1 and i have fond memories of getting on our family's laptop after school, and checking out the Tips+Tricks App (or whatever it was called, sorry, i don't remember that detail), and discovering the many tricks to operate Windows 8.1, like the Charms side-bar, how to open apps in Split-Screen, how to switch between multiple Metro/Modern apps... But our family laptop was a bit sluggish, even with Windows 8.1, because of it's low-end CPU i guess... Anyways, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 will always be one of my favorite OS's, with all their acheivements, progresses and even their problems!!! I do wonder though how easy-to-use Windows 8 would be on a tablet computer, but i never got to try it on one... Anyways, please keep it up!!! ❤❤
The way you made it a story , amazing. I have little interest in this but you made it enjoyable. Thank you.
awesome, thanks
Believe it or not, I just loved windows 8, the version without start button. Windows 8 is my most favourite windows operating system. I also have one installed on one of my vms.
Good to hear from a Windows 8 fan!
Shout out to that DEFCON music, gave me an immediate pavlovian response. (commented this before seeing the actual game in the video lol)
This game is just so atmospheric!
Good to see someone else still uses their gpd win 1!
Thanks for another awesome video Janus!
Fyi: the touch screen mouse issue with starcraft is due to a resolution mismatch. I've had that issue while playing starcraft and other dosbox games, anytime the monitor does not support that resolution natively. It's almost as if the game was built to support 800 x 600 only. Super weird.
next android x86 on netbooks
I'd love to get a modern Android x86 on a umpc VAIO. Tricky to get enough hardware support though.
@@JanusCycle wifi issue solved via rtl8811 wifi card
There’s an Intel Atom in the Amazon Echo Show 10 (second generation) if you were wondering
@@JanusCycle Try like a Eeepc android x86 build. They were made up from normal builds
I think, the touch screen is used as a mouse pointer, instead of an actual touch screen.
True
Yay! Another upload! :D (I encourage you to try Windows 7 on that machine, as a portable Windows Media Center device.)
(Or Vista if you wanna get crazy)
Glad to see you back posting videos!!! Keep them coming. Stay safe and God bless.
Bedankt
Awesome, thank you!
I could have gone my entire life without knowing what windows 8 looked like, but here I am
There are 2 reachable usb ports pin pairs inside you can connect some additional hardware like a card reader, units with the cellar modem had always a SSD as the modem filled half of the hdd compartment, there you have a mimi pcie port usb conencted pcie I don't remember. IIRC you can control the bios by using a key combo to switch the joystick mode. the IO port has one USB port, and VGA. I used mine with windows 7, and there is a proper touch screen driver i think i have it some ware worked on win 7 as it should, if you want to try it reach out to me.
Internal hardware modding, I love that idea. A key combo? I should have read the f. manual better. Thanks for all the info!
I remember installing Android as a dual boot on my iPhone 2G back in the day. People just didnt believed that is actually real.
This is something I'm going to try.
I try it on iphone 3g 😅❤
HOLY CRAP you weren't lying. I missed this, thank you! I bought it because of business purposes in the field. It didn't turn out good. XP still didn't run that well on mine except I never swapped the ZIF Drive with Solid State. Bought it from Dynamism while they were still a company.
I'd buy it back from you if I could! ❤ I need to search ebay because I saw 1 not weeks ago. Maybe the one you're using.
This Atom version included "Intel Graphics" but were Imagination Technologies PowerVR SGX545 or 540. Intel couldn't modify the drivers and it was baaaad. I moved to 7 by upgrade within the OG installation.
I've always hated intel atom CPUs, because even back in the day, they were super underpowered and disappointing. This palmtop can't do anything useful anymore.
The bigger problem with that one is the Intel GMA 500 (PowerVR SGX535) which has awful drivers. Most netbooks had Intel GMA 950 or 3150 which were actually made by Intel and had much better drivers. A lot of early 2000s games run fine on the GMA 950 and 3150 netbooks.
The Atom CPUs were fine for what they were made for and had really low power consumption
@@Pasi123 This makes sense, it really looked like a driver issue on the video, for example the start menu. If only they chose a different atom...
Even funnier thing is, chipset on earlier Atom netbooks were more power hungry than the cpu itself.
I had a Acer Revo PC at the time with an atom.. it was soooo slow.. the only reason it could be used at all was the gpu and media player classic leveraging that a lot.. so I could barely use windows on it.. but watching a ripped bluray in full HD was no problem..
@@olik136 I'm going to guess it had 1GB RAM and Windows 7
Windows 8.1 did brought back the Start button and made directly to desktop instead of starr screen when turning on PC.
I just acquired 4 Sony Vaio Duo 13 and one 11. These computer were designed to work with Windows 8.1, being a hybrid of laptop and tablet. I just love them! Currently I am trying all sort of Linux distros and Windows(es). Windows 8 and 8.1 I jumped, never had contact before and now I realize... it's weid. Dear Janus, I am looking for a Ubuntu for tablets to test. That would be nice to see in your oddware machine. Great video!
The VAIO Duos sound like fun, good luck.
Search to launch apps has been my go to method on windows since vista, when i had to stay using 8, search to launch was a godsend,
Start-no enter and notepad opens
I remember back when Windows 8 was starting to release, wanting to see the laptop displays to really see the touchscreen interface they were selling hard at the time. Before, with 7, it felt like innovation at its peak performance rather than an iPad competitor with fully bendable laptops and Surface Pros
First Posy uploads and now you? It's a good day indeed.
Posy's new video was the first one I watched after finishing this upload and relaxing. His work is a huge inspiration and I'm pleased to be seen in a similar vein, thank you.
for future reference, you can slipstream drivers into an off-line Windows 8.x image before deployment by mounting both the setup and OS install images using the DISM utility (via an administrative command prompt).
assuming X is the drive letter where your source image is mounted and Y is the drive letter of where the image will be mounted:
mounting images:
DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\boot.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Index:1
DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\boot.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Index:2
DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\install.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Index:1
DISM /Mount-Image /ImageFile:"X:\path\to\install.wim" /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Index:2
installing drivers (assuming they (and their inf files) are extracted to their respective directories) to the offline OS images:
DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
DISM /Image:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Add-Driver /Driver:"Y:\path\to\extracted_drivers" /Recurse
unmounting and saving changes:
DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\winre" /Commit
DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\setup" /Commit
DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_professional" /Commit
DISM /Unmount-Image /MountDir:"Y:\path\to\mount\install_core" /Commit
refer to learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/add-and-remove-drivers-to-an-offline-windows-image?view=windows-11 for more information
These are the sort of details I really appreciate, thank you!
Everytime janus uploads i feel happy
I wonder what the latest version of windows it could boot into is.
I think this would boot Windows 10 32 bit just fine, but the drivers would be a problem.
A friend of mine recently gave me an old Asus Transformer T100 tablet with a removable keyboard, it's running windows 8 and I can see exactly what Windows 8 was going for BUT...... Back in 2013 I bought a Asus G46VW 'Gaming' laptop that was running windows 8, no touch screen... it was utter crap, the worst 'non touch' device OS.... I think Microsoft gets so deep into an idea they don't stop to think about their main customer base(see Windows 11 for more information).
P.S. Great video as always!!
Insane that you got anything working on this lil guy, i remember how much it sucked getting debian running on one, and I still never got the touchscreen working right.
I was about to call out the DEFCON music. Then I saw the icon. Then you showed it.
it's so atmospheric
@@JanusCycle Heck yes it is!
I've got one of these in my closet! Haven't used it for a decade and the screen has many bad pixels but it's still there! I once used it as a standby pocket device for checking warehouse product stock on a sales floor.
4:55 - some devices have captive screws that lift the cover a bit when unscrewed, probably to make disassembly easier.
Maybe, but it didn't feel like they were supposed to be captive
Should have tried 8.1 instead. Stability fixes.
Imo, 8.1 was the best OS Microsoft has ever made. The UI was the most intuitive ever. It had natural feeling gestures for both touchpad and touchscreen.
For a period of time, my only PC was a Toshiba Encore 2, which ran Windows 8.1. It was the best possible experience i ever had with any PC.
And the performance boost my friends got from switching from 7 to 8.1 was just insane.
8.1 truly felt like a breath of fresh air, after the cluttered UI of XP, Vista and 7.
I'm looking forward to trying 8.1, but I wanted to try 8 first to experience the comparison.
that Defcon game is probably my fav back in the days.i got my copy thru some PC Magazine that comes with CD.the soundtrack is haunting especially when the nuclear hit your city and you watch the casualty rises
Haunting is a good description of this game and I love it.
I played the hell out of Defcon back then. Miss those days. I still need to finish Uplink and Darwinia
You may wish to take a look at the Surface RT, it's pretty neat for what it is
Honestly being able to use Windows XP for _six hours_ at a time when the most recent iPhone could get you six hours of a far more primitive mobile OS is amazing.
Man I was using Win2003 up to 2020, then I jumped to win2008 (server editions, stripped down to the bone), fast, stable and does anything I wanna do, I'm not a mindless gamer so I'm not forced to roll with the newer spywares.
These UMPCs are quite expensive back in the day. I am surprised that the build quality is still not on par with major manufacturers.
I've got a viliv S5 as well, you can use the directional control as a mouse control, just press 3 seconds on "menu" and it will switch. Mine is the 3G modem, it has both GPS and 3G capabilities. Perfect little umpc
very interesting
I still have my old viliv n5 and s5 from back in the day, they were fun little PCs that gave you the power of x86 in your pocket which was handy. There weren't a lot of mobile apps back in the day so having an x86 pc allowed you to run normal apps on the go without having to lug a laptop if it wasn't always needed. I think the n5 had GPS as well if I remember correctly.
12:46 that error was the bane of my existance when i was playing with win8/8.1 on small screens...
really think this would be interesting to see some lightweight mobile style linux distro
If you can look past the lack of a Start Menu, Windows 8.x was a surprisingly solid OS. At its foundation it built on Windows 7, and I found on earlier machines it ran better than Windows 7. The lack of a Start Menu is also solved with Classic Shell or Start8. I used this setup on a 2006 DELL XPS M1730 for a while and it worked really well.
As for the Viliv, unfortunately that graphics chip is a complete non-starter and is really the black sheep in the Intel GMA family. Claimed to be an Intel GMA chip, it's in fact a rebranded PowerVR SGX 535 which wasn't a bad mobile GPU to be fair - but it has awful, awful drivers. Which is a shame because if it had better driver support, I'm sure it'd be a solid GPU.
Tasty Windows XP product key up for grabs, not that anyone would actually need that :D
I would love to know that someone used this key :)
Wonderful as always. Devices in that form factor with period appropriate atom chips like the z2760 would have been so much fun. They really dropped the ball with such boring devices in the windows 8 hayday.
hey, whats that music behind you? 15:48
Check out the most recent track Drifting on Engineered Vibes channel, www.youtube.com/@engineeredvibes1837/videos
@@JanusCycle thankyou 😊
Android running on this thing... Imagine if someone hacked together a ROM for the 3G version with calling capabilities. A smartphone would be born.
pls make more vids on the vaio ux, you make great videos!
You're right, the UX deserves more.
I wonder if Bodhi Linux would work on that touchscreen?
Netbook with touchscreen, same users bought that Qualcomm Windows tablet.
I had one of these viliv when it first came out. I played with it for a bit but was too slow for media stuff I wanted to use. The iPad was released the following year, I sold the viliv and haven’t looked back since.
Windows 8 ui as a phone was the best - it still would be awesome, especially for something as big as a 14 inch s9 tab ultra
I have an idea for that thingy:
Go back to XP and try to use a PS1 or a handheld emulator. This thing might not work well with Windows 8 (and considering Windows 8 is lacking support for basically anything) but it would make an awesome retro machine. I wanna playolder games or smth like Sims 1 on my phone so badly but a handheld pc is always better than a smartphone when it comes to the feels
Have you considered using an x86 emulator
if on android you can use something like winlator, mobox, termux with chroot and a linux distro on top
if ios i think there's a good app to help virtualize a x86 machine
Windows 8 is literally Windows 7 with some winrtapi features. I don't see how it's lacking support for anything. Windows XP is lacking support even more at this point.
@@андрей_свиридов
He is thinking of Windows RT which is Windows Mobile which never had app support and never supported full desktop application such as VLC and Audacity. You had to install a special Windows App Store version which is now non existent. Windows RT is iOS but with no support so it failed with the 2011 Windows Phone and 2012 Surface
@@pyeltd.5457 yeah, it also used ARM(v6/v7) architecture which was pretty unpopular at the time, and wasn't seen as future of the desktop PC's since they were only popular in hanndheld devices.
Personally I don't mind the missing start button. Partly because at the time I was already using wp8 and windows 8 made the experience on my desktop seamless, also I always hit that win key on the keyboard to pull up start anyway.
When 8.1 came out, it was a great improvement on tablet and phone, and I don't mind it in desktop environment either. Maybe because I'm heavy on keyboard and shortcut to begin with. For laptop however I was using the last osx, simply because nobody can beat that company' trackpad even though during this time MS came out with precision touchpad.
My only gripe was on the server side, skipped srv2012 and held to srv2008r2 until srv2016 came out.
You always end up finding the coolest devices to take a look at. This was a fun one. The GMA 500 graphics is weird and quite awful to support unfortunately. Perhaps XP Tablet PC edition or a cut down 7 would be the best choice for an OS, even if they are rather uninteresting!
XP Tablet would be a good finishing point after stressing this with other OSs :)
If you bought this via buyee, we might have bid on the same unit :)
Viliv was really cool back then. Along with UMID, they made some of the coolest 1st gen Atom UMPCs. I highly recommend the N5. At the time, it was one of the best mini laptops money can buy. While the S5 is rare, the N5 is a lot harder to find nowadays.
If buying from Japan, UMID devices there were rebranded as Kohjinsha (工人舎) PM series and Onkyo (オンキョウ) BX series. The former is the UMID M1, and the latter is the BZ.
I didn't get this from Japan. It was a local purchase for a good price. Thanks for the info. I saw a Kohjinsha device on eBay and wondered what it is.
Highly disagree! I am the original owner of an N5 still in my closet. The keyboard on it was terrible, the distance between keys is near zero so inadvertent strikes are common. It also had lots of missed keystrikes and double strikes. The Open Pandora 1ghz model ended up being my daily driver UMPC until fairly recently.
New daily is pretty much a Panasonic LetsNote CF-RZ4, or one of a ton of Samsung Chromebook 3's with linux installed. Not exactly UMPC's but small compared to the norm today, no issues with linux, and good battery life.
I should be finally getting my ClockworkPi Uconsole in the next few days which I am really excited for because it should last forever (18650 batteries, and a Pi Compute Module 4...so the commonly failing/upgrade things can be replaced).
Kohjinsha rebranded a lot of Korean UMPCs in the late 2000s and early 2010s. They had several mini laptops powered by AMD Geode, and a few Atom UMPCs (PM and PA series')
@crsv7armhl I think this is a case of YMMV. I have fairly thin fingers and can thumb type my way on both the UMID and Viliv N5. I wouldn't write a document on any of themselves, but for casual browsing and short messaging, they were perfect.
I currently have both a GPD Pocket 2 and P2 Max. I can thumb type on the Pocket 2, and pick type on the P2 max comfortably. Again, I don't use either for any serious work, but for email, casual browsing, and the like, I really enjoy them
Awesome video Janus!!
You should try installing Adele Linux cuz the devs made it lightweight to the point you might be able to use on older CPUs than Viliv S5 PMP has. Worked on my Pentium 4 PC!
Thanks, I'll check this out. I also see Action Retro did a video on this recently.
I remember years ago trying to upgrade an Acer Aspire One to Windows 8.1, wanting to use it as a media laptop. Got a Broadcom HD decoder board to handle video playback and an SSD. Tried to find touchscreen kits for it, but never did.
Memories. Lol
you can install open shell to make 8 look like you want. it was what i done first 5 min after purchase win8 laptop (it was classic shell back then), while whole world whining about they can't use 8.
2:11 there is a very similar Asus UMPC called the R2H.
I had one back in the day and regretted not just getting a 7 inch eee instead.
Another interesting machine with no keyboard, great mention.
Dosbox is running at a lower resolution but the touch screen is working for the native resolution, so it's confusing dosbox with its scaling of the touch commands
windows 8 and mobile were pretty great oses for the stuff they worked on, touch screens, and convertable laptops, windows 7 for standard laptops and desktops
I suspect that if you want to play games on that thing your best choice might be reverting it back to Windows XP. I have an old Atom netbook that's a few years newer than that one, but not much, and I remember reading back in the day that despite the fact than that generation of Atom devices always came with W7 many installed XP as a secondary OS just for gaming since the GMA drivers had better performance on XP. I've still managed to run some mid to late 2010's indie games on it but only 2D stuff, for 3D the limit was mid 2000's era games or the rare later game that was optimized to run on a toaster like the original release of "Aaaaa! for the Awesome" (the new remastered version has almost no optimization, it almost killed my modern laptop simply because it expects a dedicated GPU, runs fine on desktop tho).
Viliv! I have a Viliv N5 in my closet somewhere. Absolutely terrible keyboard... ended up with it because the mbook bz was way backordered in those days.
Debian Window Maker Live: a time-mind trip without a seal ;)
But can it run DOOM?
Duh
I wonder how well it could handle ReactOS or EmuELEC. If I had one, I think I'd updrade the SSD, and dual boot XP or 7 for playing old games, and Debian + XFCE for going online.
Kinda curious if Tiny10 or Tiny11 will work on this palmtop or if something like Zorin OS will work I would also give a shot of something like Android 9 X86 32bit a try too since it's running an old Atom CPU and has a low amount of RAM
Remix OS is an Android OS that has a desktop mode and a dedicated tablet mode for touchscreen devices. It uses Android 6 but still has support for most apps/ Playstore. It comes in 32bit and 64bit versions. If you decide to try it and need any file or apk I will be happy to share what I have. I still use Remix OS on x86 hardware for game emulation, ftp server, media, and more. Remix OS can be installed to a usb 3.0 drive with persistence via Rufus. Don't use the Rufus settings for persistence, just burn the iso as you would normally.
Thanks, I wonder how well it does with older hardware.
@@JanusCycle I have always got favorable results with Remix OS on old and new hardware alike. This OS was created by a few former employees of Google. You should at least try it on a 3.0 usb drive. If you need anything such as but not limited to, the Playstore activator apk, or help in general I will be happy to do what I can. You don't need the Google service activator apk, it's just easier if wanted.
Link to DEFCON game please?
It's available on Steam. I haven't had a proper go yet. store.steampowered.com/app/1520/DEFCON/
@@JanusCycle thank you!
Nice one . When is a handset, not a palmtop? ..😅
Back in the day, this device was a monster😁
the Asus R2H also lacks a built in keyboard.
My first exposure to Windows 8 was on a tablet designed for it, the HP Stream 7. And honestly, on a tablet designed for Windows 8 it wasn't too bad. Unfortunately they really half reared the design of the hardware so it has a 32bit uefi so it can't run 64bit windows even though it has a 64bit processor so it's forever stuck in the past. I yearn for a similar device, around 7 inches, runs desktop windows, has at least 8gb of ram. I would immediately make it my primary portable computer. Unfortunately everyone seems to be goo goo ga ga for 12+ inch tablets which are too big to fit in a pocket. I can't even find an android tablet with flagship specs at the small screen size I want. Apparently if you want a small screen in a compact device that also means you want budget specs.
I loved the small size of the Stream 7. It was nice to be able to carry a full Windows PC in a pocket and it used MicroUSB for charging so it was possible to charge it with a regular power bank.
But annoyingly it only had one MicroUSB port and a 3.5mm headphone jack. It would have been nice to be able to charge it while having a USB device plugged in. HDMI would have been nice to have too
The first time I used window 8.1 was on a Nokia lumia 630 it ran like butter on that phone to me it's one of the most underrated window versions because it felt futuristic it had it's bad sides but I feel like if they given it more time and optimize it then it would have been one of greatest window operating systems
makes me want another umpc. one that isnt either too old or too expensive.... hmmm
2:40 Time out for current desk top switching for windows. If we just swap out the desktop items and the foreground and background items, then we might not have to load the entire resources of creating and deploying and destroying entire environments of desktops.
try installing tiny11
I've never seen a UMPC marketed as a PMP...
Why was the Fujitsu phone pictured in the thumbnail?
If you can get a screenshot of that let me know. UA-cam would be having an error.
@@JanusCycle I noticed you changed the thumbnail, so try going to docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SnamR8M6ywEhN1AmPRb0tbRkMcbbQEXiUrCoGtOjOHU/edit?usp=sharing for a comarison between thumbnails.
For the right (new) one I had to extract it from the YT source code, wheras the left (old) one i got it from the notification page.
That should explain the quality loss in the right (new) thumbnail image.
I've requested access to hopefully see your screenshot, thanks.
UA-cam has a new thumbnail compare feature. I'm testing it out with two very similar photos that have just different Windows logos.
drive.google.com/file/d/13X8UzqDqIvQjRR4Hbk8N-oj27L1ZHn1P/view
I wonder if this is causing a problem.
@@JanusCycle While analysing the thumbnails, I noticed that the device was in a different position between the first and second thumbnail (i.e. the top and bottom ones).
@@augustingavrilovici8951 They are photos taken at different times with different logos on the device’s screen.
Maybe throw every OS you can think of at it and see which one works best on on the quirky thing.
You could use the Pocket PC as a portable server or music player/ plex server
Can you install android on it? I've seen others who put android 2.3 on old pcs
I really liked Windows 8 controversial lol. It shines with a touch device like a tablet, but indeed for most desktop PCs without touch screens etc, it's not a great idea to replace the desktop with the tiles as the main focus. With a modern windows tablet, you cant get the old tiled display which is disappointing.
Snappy driver installer is also useful for installing drivers once you have network
What about Windows xp media center?
Installing a current version of Linux on the device would improve performance as it is less resource hungry than Windows, at the same time making it more secure and modern.
Maybe trying different lightweight linux distro on it
yeah, Windows 8 was so badly received by the public that they made Windows 8.1 which brought the start button back, either way i hated using both of them, 8 just got rid of the menu as a whole and 8.1 just kind of shoehorned it back in as an afterthought.
Really enjoying your videos keep up the great work 👌
thanks!
wish they still made PCs like these, i love the oqo but the specs are so bad its un-usable today.
WOW i have one of those use it for a Wearable setup with an HMD
Viliv S5 is an underrated UMPC