The last time I checked, this is NYC, not the suburbs or countryside. Stop trying to chance nothing that real native New Yorkers can care less about unless repaving bumpy pothole filled streets.
This is to keep the richer peoples area nicer and quieter. They can also get more street parking. While the regular guy will pay more for things as trucks will pass on the cost to the consumers
Make sure the congestion charge only applies to through traffic, not to local traffic. In other words, if one gets off the highway only to rejoin it at a different exit.
@@kirkrotger9208Ideally yes but the whole point of discouraging through traffic is to make sure that the only people entering Manhattan are those with legitimate business. Streets are for people, roads are for cars.
@@Awesome_Aasim Yeah, streets are for people, which is precisely why we should prevent as many people from driving as possible. Ideally, all private cars would be banned from Manhattan, but that's not happening any time soon.
@@Awesome_AasimThere's no reason whatsoever why people "with a legitimate business interest" couldn't take transit into Manhattan. If they choose to drive instead then they absolutely should be charged congestion pricing.
@@kirkrotger9208 I can give many reasons why this is impractical, but I can give something that is a bit more. We have all used horse drawn carriages and boats for millennia as quick and reliable means of transportation. A car is often used as a replacement of horses, as much as I think equestrian travel should come back, it probably won't come back anytime soon. And of course there is a reason not everyone owned their own horse. What many cities are trying to do right now is become nearly car free. The Dutch concept is "autoluw" or car-lite. That does not mean entirely car free, just so that very few people actually need to drive, and the reason for driving is something like deliveries or moving or going out of town, not for commuting or errands. Although those that want to drive would still be able to. In the long term the best approach would be to cut off all through traffic so drivers are redirected onto the highways if they want to travel through NYC. Emergency vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, and public transit would always be allowed to cut through; while these vehicles might be slowed by gates they would not be stuck in traffic during emergency response. But in the short term anything to discourage rat running is a win as it reduces pollution and causes traffic evaporation.
How typical of NY politicians does not work in London, but they’re going to make is work here. I know the problem 23 MTA board members only make $192.000 per year and the president $350.000. Once the congestion pricing is in, they can give themselves a raise and devote more time to fixing the problem. (like the Fulton Street Mall) Keep up all the good work.
@@alum6390 first of all, I never collided with anyone or anything since I started driving. Second, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Getting rid of reckless drivers doesn’t get rid of reckless people who randomly, stab, shoot, shove, and assault random bystanders in the subway stations
@galactblast1628 There's a much higher and proven likelihood that one will be killed by a driver than by a random act of violence on the train, so make sure you cut out the shrooms you eat so you don't keep believing in alternate realities.
Another cash grab, look how NYC roads look, NY has some of the highest tolls in the country but yet has some of the worst roads and this is with steady fee increases. Most people aren’t critical thinkers so they think this is for the “environment”. If they have fees for the congestion zone, all that is going to do is double the congestion outside the zone with people trying to avoid the fees by staying outside of the zone. They keep using London as a model but a quick search would show you that the London model failed. It worked for a few years and they are now back to the same gridlock only worse outside the zone. Search “How congestion pricing has impacted London.” Oh yeah, have fun with your higher grocery/restaurant prices in the zone, trucks delivering in the zone will of course have to raise their delivery prices which will then be passed on to you, the consumer. If you’re wealthy shouldn’t be a biggie.
But boy does it cause air and noise pollution... At least your last "fact" is false: 80% of the money will be used to modernize subways and buses; 10% will go to Long Island Rail Road, and 10% to Metro-North Railroad.
So.people.that live.in Manhattan have to pay 15.00 to re enter Manhattan..makes no sense they should have a reduced price just like you give people that live in Staten Island and people that live in the Rockaway...so of us drive to work from Manhattan every day ...and 15 .00 is unreal and ridiculous
After a long and exhausting period of talking to people who are still angry about this, it is ready to go ahead. I’m so glad By the way, how is stetting up a park-and-ride system for people that have no choice but to drive currently going? How are you dealing with people being mad at paying the full cost of delivery?
Delivery will like be cheaper because of fuel savings and labor savings and savings in wear and tear. Park and Ride already exists in much of NYC. People who have no choice but to drive are already relatively rare. Still, NYC is upgrading more of its transit to be wheelchair accessible and the like, to help solve this issue.
Quality of life for who? The ones who will profiteer from this tax? It won't take long for them to regret supporting it once they see the air pollution get worse, prices go up, and places start closing down because they won't be able to sustain themselves. This tax will destroy New York City and the region.
How will pollution become worse? Also not sure about price, but in the space for parking a car, a lot more business can be done by opening it up for 'more' people walking/biking/etc.
@@jsn683 , ah that makes sense. But did the assessment say why drivers would instead move to those surrounding areas. Aren't most drivers travelling to Manhattan for work? Also makes me think let's then expand this and improve public transit everywhere! :)
After a long and exhausting period of talking to people who are still angry about this, it is ready to go ahead. I’m so glad By the way, how is stetting up a park-and-ride system for people that have no choice but to drive currently going? How are you dealing with people being mad at paying the full cost of delivery? How are you dealing with people that don’t like the current state of our transit system? You gonna fix crime?
That is false. Bike and bus lanes have a much greater capacity than automobile lanes, and as such by replacing automobile lanes with bike and bus lanes you are adding more capacity to the street. Though it is true that in the short term traffic might increase, as people notice the higher capacity, and as such less jammed, bus and bike lanes, they will switch from using their automobile to using a bike or bus to get around the city in a faster manner
@damianoandreaarrigoni4401 Explain how no one before in NY history complained so much to ride a bike. Um, no one is riding a bike in bad weather except some dopes . You stop talking yourself you don't I have 2 and I'm not selling them because my space where i live or shop is mine. No matter how slice it you need a car please enough people love their cars and love to drive leave drivers and their cars plus parking and driving spaces alone before one we file a law to halt this garbage plan this city has succumb to. Time for new leadership across the board from the MTA to Gracie Masion right up to Albany. Enough is enough.
@@brooklynelite5428 Dude, please shut up. Most households in this city don't even have access to a car, and no, nobody "loves to drive." You'd have to be a masochist. Driving in traffic is one of the most stressful and aggravating things about living in the US. If you love it so much, move to Houston or LA or some other suburban hellscape where you have to shell out 10k a year just to leave your house.
So.people.that live in Manhattan have to pay 15.00 to re enter Manhattan..makes no sense they should have a reduced price just like you give people that live in Staten Island and people that live in the Rockaway...some of us drive to work from Manhattan everyday
@@Hipster_Doofuss They already do. Their taxes paid the roads/streets and upkeep. Now they are being taxed again to drive on the roads/streets they already paid for to begin with. Not to mention, they also paid for the tax called car registration to use their car on the roads/streets that their yearly taxes paid for to begin with. You have some nerve to tell people to take public transportation or pay the toll(aka tax).
what's your argument when London, after 20 years of congestion pricing, saw congestion reduced by 30% and boosted bus travel by 33%? and further, they saw a reduction of NOx pollutants by 46%?
@@saucycade123 my argument is that it will price people with low income out of the city and out of their cars where they are forced to ride bikes and take subway trains while the elites get to ride around in their fancy cars.
My quality of life will be vastly lower with the congestion charge implemented. More expensive groceries, more pricy cabs and amenities, cars in and out of the city at an even higher cost with so many additional fees. This serves no one but the executives at the MTA that are lining their pockets
After a long and exhausting period of talking to people who are still angry about this, it is ready to go ahead. I’m so glad By the way, how is stetting up a park-and-ride system for people that have no choice but to drive currently going? How are you dealing with people being mad at paying the full cost of delivery?
Excellent, now ban all trucks that have a grill over a certain height. It's unbelievable how some of these trucks are allowed in Manhattan.
No. Banned personal vehicles.
Yeah it’s so unbelievable that they ship your packages!
@m0dze1532 Who cares how it comes as long as you receive it.
How about not and say we did.
@@m0dze1532 I'm not talking about delivery trucks. Im talking about Ron from New Jersey driving his lifted F250 into Manhattan
Good. Too much space wasted for cars. Dedicate space to people, not cars.
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The last time I checked, this is NYC, not the suburbs or countryside. Stop trying to chance nothing that real native New Yorkers can care less about unless repaving bumpy pothole filled streets.
This is to keep the richer peoples area nicer and quieter. They can also get more street parking. While the regular guy will pay more for things as trucks will pass on the cost to the consumers
Rather than parallel parking, add more loading zones so that delivery trucks and vans have more room to load and unload.
Support Pro Choice.
Make sure the congestion charge only applies to through traffic, not to local traffic. In other words, if one gets off the highway only to rejoin it at a different exit.
Why? People shouldn't be driving in Manhattan at all?
@@kirkrotger9208Ideally yes but the whole point of discouraging through traffic is to make sure that the only people entering Manhattan are those with legitimate business. Streets are for people, roads are for cars.
@@Awesome_Aasim Yeah, streets are for people, which is precisely why we should prevent as many people from driving as possible. Ideally, all private cars would be banned from Manhattan, but that's not happening any time soon.
@@Awesome_AasimThere's no reason whatsoever why people "with a legitimate business interest" couldn't take transit into Manhattan. If they choose to drive instead then they absolutely should be charged congestion pricing.
@@kirkrotger9208 I can give many reasons why this is impractical, but I can give something that is a bit more.
We have all used horse drawn carriages and boats for millennia as quick and reliable means of transportation. A car is often used as a replacement of horses, as much as I think equestrian travel should come back, it probably won't come back anytime soon. And of course there is a reason not everyone owned their own horse.
What many cities are trying to do right now is become nearly car free. The Dutch concept is "autoluw" or car-lite. That does not mean entirely car free, just so that very few people actually need to drive, and the reason for driving is something like deliveries or moving or going out of town, not for commuting or errands. Although those that want to drive would still be able to.
In the long term the best approach would be to cut off all through traffic so drivers are redirected onto the highways if they want to travel through NYC. Emergency vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, and public transit would always be allowed to cut through; while these vehicles might be slowed by gates they would not be stuck in traffic during emergency response. But in the short term anything to discourage rat running is a win as it reduces pollution and causes traffic evaporation.
How typical of NY politicians does not work in London, but they’re going to make is work here. I know the problem 23 MTA board members only make $192.000 per year and the president $350.000. Once the congestion pricing is in, they can give themselves a raise and devote more time to fixing the problem. (like the Fulton Street Mall) Keep up all the good work.
NY likes things that don’t work, there’s a long list, why would you expect any different. Just take a look at their current policies.
Maybe, you should reduce the mortality rate on your subway system before forcing a failing transportation system on the people
You don’t seem to be concerned with the higher rates of mortality on the roads caused by drivers like yourself on pedestrians.
@@alum6390 first of all, I never collided with anyone or anything since I started driving. Second, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Getting rid of reckless drivers doesn’t get rid of reckless people who randomly, stab, shoot, shove, and assault random bystanders in the subway stations
@galactblast1628 There's a much higher and proven likelihood that one will be killed by a driver than by a random act of violence on the train, so make sure you cut out the shrooms you eat so you don't keep believing in alternate realities.
Nice, MTA.
Another cash grab, look how NYC roads look, NY has some of the highest tolls in the country but yet has some of the worst roads and this is with steady fee increases. Most people aren’t critical thinkers so they think this is for the “environment”. If they have fees for the congestion zone, all that is going to do is double the congestion outside the zone with people trying to avoid the fees by staying outside of the zone. They keep using London as a model but a quick search would show you that the London model failed. It worked for a few years and they are now back to the same gridlock only worse outside the zone. Search “How congestion pricing has impacted London.” Oh yeah, have fun with your higher grocery/restaurant prices in the zone, trucks delivering in the zone will of course have to raise their delivery prices which will then be passed on to you, the consumer. If you’re wealthy shouldn’t be a biggie.
WHY TAKE THE TRAIN
Slay
Fact: Congestion will be reduced at 10% at most.
Fact: This plan openly admits this will reduce VMT in NYC by
But boy does it cause air and noise pollution...
At least your last "fact" is false: 80% of the money will be used to modernize subways and buses; 10% will go to Long Island Rail Road, and 10% to Metro-North Railroad.
Most of that was just a lie
#boycottthemta
So.people.that live.in Manhattan have to pay 15.00 to re enter Manhattan..makes no sense they should have a reduced price just like you give people that live in Staten Island and people that live in the Rockaway...so of us drive to work from Manhattan every day ...and 15 .00 is unreal and ridiculous
Are you really comparing the density and transit network of Manhattan with those of Staten Island or the Rockaway?...
After a long and exhausting period of talking to people who are still angry about this, it is ready to go ahead. I’m so glad
By the way, how is stetting up a park-and-ride system for people that have no choice but to drive currently going?
How are you dealing with people being mad at paying the full cost of delivery?
Delivery will like be cheaper because of fuel savings and labor savings and savings in wear and tear. Park and Ride already exists in much of NYC. People who have no choice but to drive are already relatively rare. Still, NYC is upgrading more of its transit to be wheelchair accessible and the like, to help solve this issue.
Quality of life for who? The ones who will profiteer from this tax? It won't take long for them to regret supporting it once they see the air pollution get worse, prices go up, and places start closing down because they won't be able to sustain themselves. This tax will destroy New York City and the region.
How will pollution become worse?
Also not sure about price, but in the space for parking a car, a lot more business can be done by opening it up for 'more' people walking/biking/etc.
Wait until you hear how economically successful car-free areas are for businesses... ;)
Because all the people patronizing business in Manhattan are driving in and parking their cars, right?
@@Sivah_AkashRead the environmental assessment. Air pollution will be shifted to the surrounding areas, many of which already suffer greatly from it.
@@jsn683 , ah that makes sense. But did the assessment say why drivers would instead move to those surrounding areas. Aren't most drivers travelling to Manhattan for work?
Also makes me think let's then expand this and improve public transit everywhere! :)
I mean, SOMEBODY has to try to spin this to a positive...
After a long and exhausting period of talking to people who are still angry about this, it is ready to go ahead. I’m so glad
By the way, how is stetting up a park-and-ride system for people that have no choice but to drive currently going?
How are you dealing with people being mad at paying the full cost of delivery?
How are you dealing with people that don’t like the current state of our transit system? You gonna fix crime?
Make congestion pricing happen!!
just reduce that $15 tag plz.
Just don't go to/from New York or New Jersey by car. Stay in your own state.
We will
This is why it’s best to just get out of NYC altogether
Nah just take the train like a normal person
MTA SERVICE BUSES MTA is OK
They suck
creates congestion by adding bus lanes and bike lanes!!
You do realize that bus and bike lanes move about 10x more people than car lanes, right?
That is false.
Bike and bus lanes have a much greater capacity than automobile lanes, and as such by replacing automobile lanes with bike and bus lanes you are adding more capacity to the street. Though it is true that in the short term traffic might increase, as people notice the higher capacity, and as such less jammed, bus and bike lanes, they will switch from using their automobile to using a bike or bus to get around the city in a faster manner
You couldn't have said that more better. Thank You.
@damianoandreaarrigoni4401 Explain how no one before in NY history complained so much to ride a bike. Um, no one is riding a bike in bad weather except some dopes . You stop talking yourself you don't I have 2 and I'm not selling them because my space where i live or shop is mine. No matter how slice it you need a car please enough people love their cars and love to drive leave drivers and their cars plus parking and driving spaces alone before one we file a law to halt this garbage plan this city has succumb to. Time for new leadership across the board from the MTA to Gracie Masion right up to Albany. Enough is enough.
@@brooklynelite5428 Dude, please shut up. Most households in this city don't even have access to a car, and no, nobody "loves to drive." You'd have to be a masochist. Driving in traffic is one of the most stressful and aggravating things about living in the US. If you love it so much, move to Houston or LA or some other suburban hellscape where you have to shell out 10k a year just to leave your house.
A tax on motorists - not better quality of life
Motorists are the ones making quality of life worse, so...
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CONTROL IT CONTROL IT
So.people.that live in Manhattan have to pay 15.00 to re enter Manhattan..makes no sense they should have a reduced price just like you give people that live in Staten Island and people that live in the Rockaway...some of us drive to work from Manhattan everyday
If you live in Manhattan and own a car, go fuck yourself. You can afford this little nothing fee. You pay more per month just for the garage.
Use public transit or pay the toll.
@@Hipster_Doofuss
They already do. Their taxes paid the roads/streets and upkeep. Now they are being taxed again to drive on the roads/streets they already paid for to begin with. Not to mention, they also paid for the tax called car registration to use their car on the roads/streets that their yearly taxes paid for to begin with.
You have some nerve to tell people to take public transportation or pay the toll(aka tax).
Congestion pricing will do nothing for NYC and the quality of life.
Yup it's legalizing extortion from MTA.
what's your argument when London, after 20 years of congestion pricing, saw congestion reduced by 30% and boosted bus travel by 33%? and further, they saw a reduction of NOx pollutants by 46%?
@@saucycade123 my argument is that it will price people with low income out of the city and out of their cars where they are forced to ride bikes and take subway trains while the elites get to ride around in their fancy cars.
@@quarlic People with low incomes aren't driving their cars in the city
@@foisixes677 yes they are when they have to leave the city to go to someone’s house in another state.
My quality of life will be vastly lower with the congestion charge implemented. More expensive groceries, more pricy cabs and amenities, cars in and out of the city at an even higher cost with so many additional fees. This serves no one but the executives at the MTA that are lining their pockets
Make it happen; I want buses to get _GOOD_ again. 🫵
After a long and exhausting period of talking to people who are still angry about this, it is ready to go ahead. I’m so glad
By the way, how is stetting up a park-and-ride system for people that have no choice but to drive currently going?
How are you dealing with people being mad at paying the full cost of delivery?