I can understand wanting exemptions for the vehicles of private contractors, but for regular commuters, if you are driving into Manhattan everyday to go to work, you are at least extremely comfortable, hardly 'working class.'
I agree, only people with money can drive into manhattan and park there. They can afford it and wills till drive. Then it affects other people because costs pass down.@@michaelsieger9133
@@michaelsieger9133 You're clearly not from the tri-state area. Manhattan isn't the final destination of most people commuting through the city from NJ. And mind you, this fee is charged at 5AM in the morning, which is not an hour at which there is congestion.
@@commodoor6549 I’ve lived in and around the NYC area for almost all my life. And I’ve commuted all around the city for work without a car. I’m sure there are a few people who have legitimate grievances, but, all in all, I don’t have much sympathy for them.
if they can give ILLEGAL immigrants a credit card for $1500 a month, free housing in hotels; why do I have to pay 23 dollars for going past 59th street.
Prices will go up in restaurants and stores because costs are going up as a result. Families visiting the city for dinner and Broadway Plays will go down! Less shoppers, less families dining out means Manhattan will be in a world of pain. Entering Manhattan prices are just gonna keep going up and up and up.😢 All because Kathy Hochul and the MTA said so…
They're going to charge congestion parking 24 hours, with a reduced price between 9PM and 5AM. But it will never be free to drive in Manhattan. There is no congestion at those hours so why charge at all? Why? because this is a money grab, not an attempt to curb traffic. Seriously, why would you charge somone $15 to drive into Manhattan at 5AM; it's certainly not to reduce traffic congestion. Btw, this is only the begining. If NYC gets away with it, they're going to be charging people to drive on streets all over the country. This is an insult. Our tax dollars pay for the streets, now we'll have to pay a regressive tax to use the streets we pay for.
First of all, it doesn't prohibit travel, or put such an onerous burden that travel is no longer feasible. Secondly, there are about a million alternatives to getting into Manhattan that do not involve cars. Thirdly, when doesn't this make toll roads unconstitutional? The exact same logic applies. Fourthly, cars didn't even exist when the constitution was written, so I'm not sure the founders would agree that cars were essential to their vision of free travel within society. How about you keep your nasty hunk of shit off the Manhattan streets.
So, only wealthy people can go there? Because, as long as you have the money, you can drive as many your premium gasoline car as you want. If at least they cared for the environment, ANY hybrid or electric vehicle should at least be exempt.
US Postal Service vehicles already are by default, since they don't have license plates. Congestion pricing is a farce. However, NYC knows many will pay whether they like it not. Another reason to WFH or elsewhere. As for visitors, minimal effect, especially the bus lobby got their exemption.
Actually, no. Most people who travel through Manhattan in the morning are only passing through. So now they're going to use the GWB. And this is going to snarl traffic there and making the commute a nightmare. And Manhattan will end up a ghost town. Businesses will be hurt. Louis Rossman saw the warning signs and moved his computer repair shop out of NYS and to Texas; he must be laughing it up. Currently office space vacancies in Manhattan is at an all time high. Expect this trend to worsen. What the MTA makes in tolls, the city will lose in tax revenues. Heads will roll for this bad decision. Now I'm sure some residents of NYC will like the reduced traffic. But who in their right minds moves to NYC and expects no traffic? But the majority of people who work in Manhattan and the tunnel and bridge workers, who aren't rich, but working class. They'll switch jobs. Why? Because they already pay $17 to cross a bridge or tunnel. Now they'll pay roughly $30 per day, adding up to over $8,000 per year. Wall Street bankers won't care, but the ones with money already work remotely. People will not pay. They'll admit that it's just too expensive to work in NYC.
Buses carry a lot of people, and the point of congestion pricing is to disincentivize car usage so as to reduce their negative effects. Busses help in achieving that goal. Congestion pricing will also charge trucks to incentivize trucks to make trips out of rush hour
@@yasinali3754 Good for them. I cannot imagine why anyone in the world ever thought it was a good idea to drive into Midtown Manhattan. It’s like a hellish punishment of sorts. If commuters are still determined to drive, they can pay.
@@yasinali3754 This is the kind of attitude that has actually destroyed the middle class. There are plenty of other cities around the world where middle class people can comfortably live in cities without a car. NY has to lead the way in this country as a city where its residents can enjoy full car independence. Reinvesting this money in commuter rail efficiency and safety and incentivizing a renewed surge in train use would be the biggest boon to the middle class that we've seen in the last 50 years. The idea that the middle class lifestyle must involve car ownership is a painfully American idea, and we've retrofitted our infrastructure to conform to that idea, in spite of the possibility of a stable post-war urban middle class, buoyed by the strong American economy of the time. Now, we are dealing with inner city ghettoes, unsafe public transit, endless traffic and congestion, crumbling infrastructure in the sprawling suburbs. The economic tide will always be shifting, isn't it better to be more adaptable when it does?
If you use the north Exit to FDR you are fine. If you use the south Exit you must pay to get to WSH. In Addition, if you use the top ramp on the 59th street bridge you will not pay. All other entries you must pay. Even going back over the bridge you must pay because the entrance is smacked in the Zone. They really planned this one to ensure EVERYONE WILL PAY.
Dumpster fire city. PSA, All MTA busses are free. Walk on the front right in front of the driver and don't pay, or the back door and don't pay. Nobody has to pay and almost nobody does. So let's just steal money from everybody else!
There are a lot of cities in Europe where mass transit is free. Taxpayers pay for the MTA, and then we pay again to ride the mass transit. Make this make sense. This is simple, at least for NYC, have Wall Street pay for it with a per transaction charge of about $0.01 per transaction. They'd make way more than a $billion per year. But NYS is all about regressive taxes.
@@commodoor6549Taxpayers don't fund the daily operation of the MTA. Why is it so hard for you socialists to understand that other people, in your case Wall Street, should be forced to pay for your expenses? Nothing y'all like more than stealing people's money via the government because y'all think you're entitled to it.
If you work and make money to pay your bills you will not be exempt!
Lol I get it, those people have no cars to be charged to pay the toll!
I can understand wanting exemptions for the vehicles of private contractors, but for regular commuters, if you are driving into Manhattan everyday to go to work, you are at least extremely comfortable, hardly 'working class.'
I agree, only people with money can drive into manhattan and park there. They can afford it and wills till drive. Then it affects other people because costs pass down.@@michaelsieger9133
@@michaelsieger9133 You're clearly not from the tri-state area. Manhattan isn't the final destination of most people commuting through the city from NJ. And mind you, this fee is charged at 5AM in the morning, which is not an hour at which there is congestion.
@@commodoor6549 I’ve lived in and around the NYC area for almost all my life. And I’ve commuted all around the city for work without a car. I’m sure there are a few people who have legitimate grievances, but, all in all, I don’t have much sympathy for them.
This is disgusting. The people who imposed the fee are exempt from it.
Why aren't school buses on field trips exempt? That's not congestion...
Doing any and everything to get you into them dangerous subways 😂
It’s not like we don’t pay enough in taxes and tolls already.
NYC is no more like NYC before.
Lots of homeless people, immigrants, fees…sad😢
if they can give ILLEGAL immigrants a credit card for $1500 a month, free housing in hotels; why do I have to pay 23 dollars for going past 59th street.
Prices will go up in restaurants and stores because costs are going up as a result. Families visiting the city for dinner and Broadway Plays will go down! Less shoppers, less families dining out means Manhattan will be in a world of pain. Entering Manhattan prices are just gonna keep going up and up and up.😢 All because Kathy Hochul and the MTA said so…
So true! there will be a lot of stores going out of businesses bcz ppl will choose to spend their money in other boroughs instead
I wonder how many NYC & MTA officials have city fleet vehicles assigned to them?
look, the city workers probably don't pay the toll
How can they create laws the mta were not elected
This is going to make goods and services go up
If they really want to solve the congestion issue, just make it a car free zone and provide free bus service to everyone.
They're going to charge congestion parking 24 hours, with a reduced price between 9PM and 5AM. But it will never be free to drive in Manhattan. There is no congestion at those hours so why charge at all? Why? because this is a money grab, not an attempt to curb traffic. Seriously, why would you charge somone $15 to drive into Manhattan at 5AM; it's certainly not to reduce traffic congestion.
Btw, this is only the begining. If NYC gets away with it, they're going to be charging people to drive on streets all over the country. This is an insult. Our tax dollars pay for the streets, now we'll have to pay a regressive tax to use the streets we pay for.
Bravo
Does the constitution not guarantee the right to travel ?
It does hence why people are suing
NYC is Anti the US Constitution
First of all, it doesn't prohibit travel, or put such an onerous burden that travel is no longer feasible. Secondly, there are about a million alternatives to getting into Manhattan that do not involve cars. Thirdly, when doesn't this make toll roads unconstitutional? The exact same logic applies. Fourthly, cars didn't even exist when the constitution was written, so I'm not sure the founders would agree that cars were essential to their vision of free travel within society. How about you keep your nasty hunk of shit off the Manhattan streets.
So, only wealthy people can go there? Because, as long as you have the money, you can drive as many your premium gasoline car as you want.
If at least they cared for the environment, ANY hybrid or electric vehicle should at least be exempt.
It’s going to get pass. Mta going to pay the judge a few million to approve it
US Postal Service vehicles already are by default, since they don't have license plates. Congestion pricing is a farce. However, NYC knows many will pay whether they like it not. Another reason to WFH or elsewhere. As for visitors, minimal effect, especially the bus lobby got their exemption.
Actually, no. Most people who travel through Manhattan in the morning are only passing through. So now they're going to use the GWB. And this is going to snarl traffic there and making the commute a nightmare. And Manhattan will end up a ghost town. Businesses will be hurt. Louis Rossman saw the warning signs and moved his computer repair shop out of NYS and to Texas; he must be laughing it up. Currently office space vacancies in Manhattan is at an all time high. Expect this trend to worsen. What the MTA makes in tolls, the city will lose in tax revenues. Heads will roll for this bad decision.
Now I'm sure some residents of NYC will like the reduced traffic. But who in their right minds moves to NYC and expects no traffic? But the majority of people who work in Manhattan and the tunnel and bridge workers, who aren't rich, but working class. They'll switch jobs. Why? Because they already pay $17 to cross a bridge or tunnel. Now they'll pay roughly $30 per day, adding up to over $8,000 per year. Wall Street bankers won't care, but the ones with money already work remotely.
People will not pay. They'll admit that it's just too expensive to work in NYC.
Private co buses are exempt why ? Did they give big donations to the dems ? Did their unions back them ?
Buses carry a lot of people, and the point of congestion pricing is to disincentivize car usage so as to reduce their negative effects. Busses help in achieving that goal. Congestion pricing will also charge trucks to incentivize trucks to make trips out of rush hour
What democratic group(s) own these private co buses?
Yes just another reason to leave the city
Car owners in NYC are a minority.
@@michaelsieger9133 in my prior workplace every owned a car. Edit: They don't drive daily but they had the option
@@yasinali3754 Good for them. I cannot imagine why anyone in the world ever thought it was a good idea to drive into Midtown Manhattan. It’s like a hellish punishment of sorts. If commuters are still determined to drive, they can pay.
@@michaelsieger9133 good bye middle class
@@yasinali3754 This is the kind of attitude that has actually destroyed the middle class. There are plenty of other cities around the world where middle class people can comfortably live in cities without a car. NY has to lead the way in this country as a city where its residents can enjoy full car independence. Reinvesting this money in commuter rail efficiency and safety and incentivizing a renewed surge in train use would be the biggest boon to the middle class that we've seen in the last 50 years. The idea that the middle class lifestyle must involve car ownership is a painfully American idea, and we've retrofitted our infrastructure to conform to that idea, in spite of the possibility of a stable post-war urban middle class, buoyed by the strong American economy of the time. Now, we are dealing with inner city ghettoes, unsafe public transit, endless traffic and congestion, crumbling infrastructure in the sprawling suburbs. The economic tide will always be shifting, isn't it better to be more adaptable when it does?
Combat Veterans should be exempt from this racket.
If this pass them the trains fare should be reduced MTA can't get 3x a more revenue and still can't control spending
This is terrible, the Brooklyn Bridge has no toll and never will. So they work around it by tolling you for using the street after the bridge...
Never say never.
If you use the north Exit to FDR you are fine. If you use the south Exit you must pay to get to WSH. In Addition, if you use the top ramp on the 59th street bridge you will not pay. All other entries you must pay. Even going back over the bridge you must pay because the entrance is smacked in the Zone. They really planned this one to ensure EVERYONE WILL PAY.
Dumpster fire city.
PSA, All MTA busses are free. Walk on the front right in front of the driver and don't pay, or the back door and don't pay.
Nobody has to pay and almost nobody does.
So let's just steal money from everybody else!
There are a lot of cities in Europe where mass transit is free. Taxpayers pay for the MTA, and then we pay again to ride the mass transit. Make this make sense. This is simple, at least for NYC, have Wall Street pay for it with a per transaction charge of about $0.01 per transaction. They'd make way more than a $billion per year. But NYS is all about regressive taxes.
@@commodoor6549Taxpayers don't fund the daily operation of the MTA.
Why is it so hard for you socialists to understand that other people, in your case Wall Street, should be forced to pay for your expenses?
Nothing y'all like more than stealing people's money via the government because y'all think you're entitled to it.
Oh, no.. McDonald's prices are going to be further out of reach for most people now...