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Great demonstration of how to install this sensor switch. I would have been 'experimenting' for hours if I had not watched so thanks! I did add the pigtail in the non-sensor switch as shown in the instructions. Doing this allowed the sensor switch to work regardless of the position of the other switch.
Hey Kevin, I really appreciate the video! It was way better than what I could find looking through the Lutron list. I wish I would've found yours first :) Thanks again man!
hello, excuse me for the question on which side did you place the lutron sensor on the side where the constant power supply is or on the side that brings the power to the focus
Hello, either side works. But you cannot use the other 3-way switch. It has to stay ON or else it will break the connection. Must be on 24/7 or else the motion sensor switch will not stay on 🍻
You're very welcome Rikard. I would probably leave the switch and pretend it wasn't even there. Or you can do this: ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html A lot of my viewers configured theirs 🍻
Great walk through video for a motion sensor replacement. I did everything as you did, then I turned the light back on 😥 no sign that it was working. I went back to turn off the lights off and I calmly sat down to check if there were troubleshooting instructions on the menu. The first thing I saw was, “your switch may not work... wait 2 minutes for the switch to fully charge.” (Something along those lines). I was like surprised so I set my alarm for two minutes. Sure enough, two minutes later it was working like it’s supposed to. Thanks for the clear instructions. 👍
I have 2 devices in the same box and no red wire? I have 3 blacks and a white. The black hot meets in the middle of the 2 devices (1 3way switch and 1 single pole switch).
@@KevinPon. I bought the Ecoeler YM2108T Motion Sensor from Amazon and it has 5 wires, green, red, black, blue and white. How do I hook those up? Thanks.
Red with red, black with the power supply that's also black, white wires all together, green is to ground wire and the blue goes to the black on the 14/3 traveller wire. Good luck 🍻
Hi kevin, i have a questions, if i have a 3 way switch, can i put only 1 motion sensor, and the other one just regular switch, will it be working? Thank you very much
Hi Nick, you absolutely can. However, the manual switch must stay in the "on" position or else the motion sensor switch will turn off. It won't be running 24/7 🍻
Kevin, you are the greatest. Seeing this procedure actually being done made it so easy. My only problem was that I had removed and replaced the 3-way switch several times and wasn’t sure which of the black wires was the power wire. I used a circuit tester to find the right wire and was off to the races. I can now enter my shop to light blazing.
@@KevinPon. I had given up and was about to take the parts back to Home Depot when I searched UA-cam and your post came up. What you showed was exactly what I had. Brilliant. Thanks again. How long have you been posting and on what subjects?
@@jimgrant3384 you're very welcome! I've been posting for a little over a year now. The main things I post are tutorials, reviews and product demos. A bit of everything for everyone.
Per my comments below, I did the install. Perfect. Everything EXACTLY has Kevin showed in UA-cam. Yeah Kevin!! I installed in the utility (laundry) room. Thanks again!
can you explain the single pole part (4:35) one more time? do we connect all 4 of the black wires together? or do you connect the wall black wires together and the switch black wire together?
If you have the same switch as me. Do not use the blue wire. You cap it off. Connect the black wire (corner of the switch) to the power source. Now you're left with the other black wire, connect that to the light fixture of the black wire. Lastly connect all your whites (neutral) together 🍻
My wall box (one of the two) has only four wires: one black, one red, one white, and one naked coper ground. Can I use the same product? How would you wire?
Hi John, are you positive that's all the black wires you have? There should be the black wire from the 14/3 (group of 3) and another black wire from the 14/2 (group of 2) that will be either the power source or the wire form the light fixture.
It should still work with the same product. You will have to connect the black with the black, white with white, red wire with the black wire that's next to the blue on the switch and lastly the bare copper with the aluminum bare on the switch. Must have constant power flowing to the motion sensor so the other switch cannot be switched off.
Hi Kelvin, I am trying to install one 3 way switch. Mine has a bare copper wire, white, red and 2 black wire one connected to the black screw. I am wondering what is the copper wire? Is that a ground wire? Thank you very much.
Fantastic, direct & simple instructions Very well explained as well Only problem is on this 3 way switch setup, after installing my MS-OPS5MH If I turn off the rocker switch, the moti9n doesn't turn back in right away...say I forgot something & came back in 5 seconds or more later... Solution?
@KevinPon. Thank you! is there an alternative to having the rocker there? Say out in a blank after tying the wires in an always on mode style with wire nuts so that it doesn't accidentally get shut off ?
@mobileautorepairs2169 yes, this is what I did to mine. I've connected the 2 wires together that completed the path as if the rocker was in the on position. There will be a traveler wire unused. After that was done, I put a blank cover on 🍻
Thanks for the video! I completed this, programmed it with the indicator lights signaling, but the switch wasn't turning on. I waited the two minutes and still no go. I almost took the whole thing apart, then i realized i just had to turn the closer switch on (and then wait the two minutes) Thank you for the walkthrough! Couldn't have done it otherwise
Hi Ryan, if you plan to have two occupancy sensor switch on the 3-way. I recommend you watch this video to make it work. ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
I purchased one of the 3 way switches and was able to install it just fine. The new switch worked well. However, the other old switch was able to turn off the light, but not turn it back on. Also, if the old light switch was off the new switch could not turn the lights on or off. I tried switching the travelers, but that did not help. I was able to wire the old switch back and both switches work without issue. Thoughts?
Hi Nick, the reason for that is that the old switch has the control of the main power source that will feed the new switch. The new switch needs 24/7 constant power for it to work. If you turn off the old switch, it will stop the power traveling to the new switch. That's why I leave my old switch untouched. So the new switch stays on 24/7 and turns on the light automatically when someone walks to the room. 🍻
Thanks for the quick reply. So what you’re saying is I installed the new motion switch on the wrong switch? Therefore, my options are to change the motion switch to the other switch, or put motion switches on both switches?
@@nickcoad3763no problem. I wouldn't say you installed it wrong. You done it correctly. Even if you installed it to the other side. You cannot flip the old switch. Must leave it on. Let's say you did installed both on both sides and if both switches are triggered and you want to turn the lights off. You will have to press both switches to turn the light off. However installing both allows you to turn the light off only if the other switch doesn't pick up motion. Here's a video on how I made 2 new switches to work with the correct wiring ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
my only hot wire in the box is white? I am going to put black tape on it. Don't you have to do something in the other switch box? This is a 3 way right? My switch instructs me to tie the black wires together and put the bare wire on the common terminal.
It was very helpful. Thank you, Kevin. Just one thing, I wish you could mention in the beginning the difference between the singe pole and 3-way switch cause I had to pay five bucks for the online service just to find out mine isn't a single pole but requires 3-way if two switches control one light. Then I could find you only after typed in 3-way switch installation. ;) I am a lady with no clue whatsoever. Lol. Your demonstration is very clear and easy to follow. Two thumbs up!
What happens when you turn off or on the other switch that's in the 3way? Does that switch has to be on a certain state for this to work? I added a occupancy switch to a 3way and it works only when the dumb 3way switch is on a certain position, otherwise it doesn't work at all.
Hi Glen, you are absolutely correct. The other 3-way switch has to be "on" in order for the whole system to work. If you have it "off" ot cuts off the power to your motion sensor switch, so it does not work. You will have to leave the manual switch untouched. 🍻
@@KevinPon. Thats unfortunate. Ill likely add a smart switch there and program it to auto turn on every 1 minute to avoid someone turning it off. Thanks.
Kevin - great video! I want to replace my current bathroom and light fan (dual single toggle switch) with this one Lutron Sensor. I'm not sure how run this.
Thanks Peter! To do that, so everything is the same except for you will not be using the blue wire on this switch. Cap it off. The black wire that's right beside the blue wire on the switch, you will splice that wire with the fan and the light (your loads)(black wires) and all the white wires will be together 🍻
Kevin. Although this is a great tutorial, I still need some help to figure out which wires from my existing switch should be matched with the wires from the Luton switch. It’s a 3 way set up. The existing switch has two white wires at the top on each side (left hand side connected to a black screw, right hand side to a brass screw), and two red wires at the bottom on each side (LHS red is connected to a brass screw, RHS red is connected to a black screw). There are no tags on any of the screws. Can you advise? Happy to send a picture, however I don’t think it possible to attach pictures in these comments. Hope you can help. Thank you. R.
I have 2 , 3 way switches going to lights, can I buy two of these for both 3 way switches that will work together? Or will only one work on a circuit? Thanks
Very good question Joshua. The answer is absolutely yes! But you'll have to follow these instructions to make it work. Watch my video to see how: ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
@@selaxlife7621 It's a very to what I have going on here in this video ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html Will need to rewire so the 4-way will have constant power at all times. The 3-way you must not touch, it has to stay "on" all time time or it will not work.
Oh man, thank you for this. Really appreciate the east to understand walk through and we’ll detailed video here. Got my working with the help of your video. Thanks again!!
In your video you remove the plate and show your old switch. No white wires are connected. I went back and checked to see if I’m losing my mind. Are those wires in behind in the wall? Are they connected to the other switch?
Opps my bad. They will be the white wires inside the box. All the white wires inside are mostly connected together. That's what you'll be looking for 🍻
Hi Kevin, my electrician install 2 3-way sensor on my staircase , one upper and one lower, but right now only the lower señor auto on and off, but the upper sensor is not working at , the switch is not able to turn on and off either , I try to do the setting high sensitively and auto on and off, I don't know what part of wiring is wrong ?
Hi Loretta, I know what's wrong. The problem is that the other switch has no constant power. Please check this video, this will solve your problem. ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
Hi Rich, here a link with both switches replaced that works its the only way to get them both functional ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html In this video only one switch was installed and the other 3-way non-occupancy sensor switch was left alone and cannot be used 🍻
Hey Kevin thanks for this vid! Is it possible to wire two Lutron occupancy sensor 3-way switches together? The switches are around the corner from each other and so I'd really like both switches to have sensors.
so i install one 3-way sensor in one switch and a normal 3-way switch on the other switch. my sensor switch only work when my other normal switch is turn on. is this normal? So if i turn off my normal 3-way switch, the sensor doesn't work.
Yes that is normal. The reason why it does that is cause the sensor is not being supplied by constant power 24/7. So you will have to leave your normal 3-way untouched in order for the sensor to be on 24/7 and it'll be able to do its thing.
The instruction that come with this exact switch show you how to wire the non-motion sensor switch in a 3 way setup so that this exact issue won’t happen. I’m not sure why this video left out that part. It is absolutely possible to wire it correctly so that you do not have to leave your normal switch in the “on” position constantly.
@@LouDog0102 regardless, you won't be using the normal switch. By doing this way, there's the option to turn off the occupancy sensor. Even if it was wired the other way. The normal switch is ON even if you flip it "off"...
There's actually something you have to do to the old switch. You have to take one of the travelers and wire it together with the common wire. Then you will always have power supply to the motion switch.
Hello Kevin, me again lol So this time I got the single pole version of this switch and realized that my old switch didn't have a ground connected to it (just 2 black wires on 1 side). I do see an empty screw in the back, so can I twist the green and bare wires from the Lutron together and connect it to the screw in the back as ground? Thanks!
@@KevinPon. hm, another question here, if I have a neutral, should I be connecting that too? Don't quite understand the purpose of it. My old mechanical switch only had 2 blacks connecting to it
@@KevinPon. and a slightly random question, if you turn the lights off manually with the big switch (before the timer is up), how long does it take before it starts registering motion again? 2 of mine are around 30 secs but this other one takes forever
Hello! I have a 3 way setup and I had a handyman come do this for me (I just don't trust myself lol), but what's happening now is that the regular switch doesn't turn the light on (however it can turn the light off with it if I trigger the light with the Maestro first). What wiring did we mess up? I noticed that he didn't use that one wire at 1:43 and used the one at 0:52 to hook to the very back instead Currently the light only turns on when the regular switch is in 1 state, acting as the gatekeeper😆 I'm hoping to still be able to use the regular switch separately if possible in this setup Great video though! Thanks!
@@KevinPon. I see, so the behavior I want is that I can independently use the mechanical switch while the Lutron will turn the light on regardless of what state the mechanical switch is in Is this possible? Or is the current behavior how it's supposed to work? Thanks!
@@KevinPon. I see, so with your wiring, can you turn the lights on and off with just the mechanical switch (no triggering of the lights with the Lutron)?
Very interesting! Kevin. This is what I would like to see, the installation of the sensor. Thank you! friend, for the demonstration, thank you! same.😃👊🏻
Thanks for your helpful demo. I just installed 3 3-way and 2 single pole switches . Stairway has 5 3 way switches as group of 3 and 2, I only change 3 of them, in the group of 3, I changed two which are to detect the start of stepping down the stair and one to stepping up. I left out the middle between the bottom and the top of the stairs which is a 3-way with dimmer. I ran onto one which does not have neutral and one which needs to wire with a whole bunch of white wires. For single pole, just don't use the green one and connect to the bare. However, there is one old switch which controls light but does not look like 3-way but rather single pole switch and not only it has 2 screws but 4 screws, so this part I'm still figuring out if I can use it as a single pole but it may disable whatever the other 2 screws got connected. I was looking and almost ready to buy battery power stairway lighting set which would be a very bad idea since Lutron's cool occupancy sensor switches solved how lighting should operate in need of those situations as in my case as older people forgot to activate light when going downstairs. Not only it lights up automatically but turns off when not in use. This is how demo should be so you can see wire connection with clear explanation as I was able to understand to get this installed correctly.
@KevinPon1. I've got kids. They are always leaving the fan on in the bathroom. My solution? An occupancy sensor switch. The bathroom has a sink and a toilet. The are two switches. One for the exhaust fan and one for the physically seperate light fixture. So I decided to have the light fixture motion activated. I took note of how the original switches were wired. But when it was time to use those drawings. I couldnn't make sense of them. Go figure. I did not realize it when I started but it turns out that they adjacent foyer light, a wall outlet and my porch light wired into the bathrooms switch box. So when I disconnected the wires, all the above had no power Anyway, with both switches pulled out from the wall, the box has a bundle of nuetral wire, four black lines, one of which is hot. Not sure why. But, Chatgtp tells me to wire up the occupancy sensor with fan control first. The switches need to operate independantly of each other. In other words. I do not want one switch to work only if they other switch is turned on. The occupancy switch has a Line in, a load out, a ground, a nuetral, and a blue traveler. The motion sensor light switch has a line in, a load out, a nuetral and a ground. I connected each switches ground to the wall ground. I connected bothe nuetrals to the nuetral bundle. Having only one Hot line I wire nutted the line in of bothe switches to the hot line. I connected the load out lines of each switch to its corresponding fixture line. Now, here is the problem. The fan will not turn on unless the light switch is turned on. I still have one unused black line in the wall. I'm think that line delivers the power to my foyer, prorch light and wall outlet. So, I'm guessing I should have also wired it to the hot like in the wall. Do I need to use the blue traveler to power my light switch instead of a black line in? I'm guessing that the traveller provides constant power and bypasses the on/off switch. Fast response would be greatly appreciated. I mean happy wife , happy life, right? Yeah shes sort a pissed that my work cut some of the power. LOL. Switches Lutron single pole motion sensor with fan control MS-OPS6M2-DVR-WH and Lutron single pole motion sensor light switch MS-OPS2
Haha oh boy. Hi Peter, I'll try my best to help you out. From what you have been telling me. Whoever wired your place, put everything on one circuit... You're on the right track. Do not use the blue traveller, just cap it. We won't be using it. What we are going to do is connect your hot wire to: line for the occupancy, line for your motion, and the remaining black wire that feeds power to the foyer, porch and wall outlets. Combine them all. Connect your two loads as I've read you have already done that and all your ground wires. Connect all the neutral wires together. Make sure you have your breaker is off to be safe. When everything is all complete you can turn the the breaker back on and everything should be back to normal. 🍻🍻
@@KevinPon.so, indeed. Everything is working. I didn't die, I didn't burn the house down. Mind you. This is the second set of switch. With the first set I thought I had it hooked up right. But clearly didn't. When I hit the switch to turn on the light. The actual light switch blew up. This included some shrapnel on fire as well. That happened before I messaged you. But we are good niw Except the setup still isn't functioning as expected. The fan switch is behaving as though it gets it's power from the light switch. It doesn't. But fan won't run unless the light switch is turned on. When the light switches sensor shuts off the light. The fan stops. But I don't want that. The two seperate switches are pigtailed to the one hot line in the bathroom. So both are independant ly powered. Or at least they should be. I was hoping to ha e sensor active light. A fan you have to turn on. Then the light shoukd go off after 5 minutes. Whike the fan runs for 5 more mi utes. That was the idea. But instead. I have to set. The light to remain on longer than the fan. I guess with these poless switches, there's no bypassing the switch. In the old setup. Power went to the fan first then over to Line of the light switch L. Am I Mali g sense? Am I missing something here? Perhaps a second hot line from the wall?
*Check this video to have 2x 3-way occupancy sensor switch installed and working!* ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
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Question can you hook up two sensor switch one for light and on other one for the fan in the bathroom .. thanks
Absolutely, yes you can! 🍻
Great demonstration of how to install this sensor switch. I would have been 'experimenting' for hours if I had not watched so thanks! I did add the pigtail in the non-sensor switch as shown in the instructions. Doing this allowed the sensor switch to work regardless of the position of the other switch.
Great tutorial thank you. I want to light up my stairway 3 pole. Do I need a dimmer switch for every switch I want motion detected?
Nope, it is not required 🍻
Hey Kevin, I really appreciate the video! It was way better than what I could find looking through the Lutron list. I wish I would've found yours first :) Thanks again man!
Haha glad to hear! You're very welcome man! 🍻
hello, excuse me for the question on which side did you place the lutron sensor on the side where the constant power supply is or on the side that brings the power to the focus
Hello, either side works. But you cannot use the other 3-way switch. It has to stay ON or else it will break the connection. Must be on 24/7 or else the motion sensor switch will not stay on 🍻
Thank you very much, would it be convenient to use a bridge in the three-way switch to prevent the circuit from being open?
You're very welcome Rikard. I would probably leave the switch and pretend it wasn't even there. Or you can do this: ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
A lot of my viewers configured theirs 🍻
Thank You Bro
Great walk through video for a motion sensor replacement. I did everything as you did, then I turned the light back on 😥 no sign that it was working. I went back to turn off the lights off and I calmly sat down to check if there were troubleshooting instructions on the menu. The first thing I saw was, “your switch may not work... wait 2 minutes for the switch to fully charge.” (Something along those lines). I was like surprised so I set my alarm for two minutes. Sure enough, two minutes later it was working like it’s supposed to. Thanks for the clear instructions. 👍
You're very welcome Alexander! I'm happy you got yours to work 🍻
I have 2 devices in the same box and no red wire? I have 3 blacks and a white. The black hot meets in the middle of the 2 devices (1 3way switch and 1 single pole switch).
How are you able to figure out which side is the hot wire and which side is the load wire? Both 3 way switches look the same. Thanks.
The safest way of checking is by using a voltmeter to test voltage. Or else you will have 50% of getting it right the first time if you're guessing 🍻
@@KevinPon. I bought the Ecoeler YM2108T Motion Sensor from Amazon and it has 5 wires, green, red, black, blue and white. How do I hook those up? Thanks.
Red with red, black with the power supply that's also black, white wires all together, green is to ground wire and the blue goes to the black on the 14/3 traveller wire. Good luck 🍻
@@KevinPon. thank you so much! Got it to worked.
That is wonderful!
Hi kevin, i have a questions, if i have a 3 way switch, can i put only 1 motion sensor, and the other one just regular switch, will it be working? Thank you very much
Hi Nick, you absolutely can. However, the manual switch must stay in the "on" position or else the motion sensor switch will turn off. It won't be running 24/7 🍻
Great video. Nice to see someone use a level. They definitely didn’t use one building my last home.
Kevin, you are the greatest. Seeing this procedure actually being done made it so easy. My only problem was that I had removed and replaced the 3-way switch several times and wasn’t sure which of the black wires was the power wire. I used a circuit tester to find the right wire and was off to the races. I can now enter my shop to light blazing.
Haha thank you Jim! Job well done! I am super happy with your success 🍻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@KevinPon. I had given up and was about to take the parts back to Home Depot when I searched UA-cam and your post came up. What you showed was exactly what I had. Brilliant. Thanks again. How long have you been posting and on what subjects?
@@jimgrant3384 you're very welcome! I've been posting for a little over a year now. The main things I post are tutorials, reviews and product demos. A bit of everything for everyone.
@@KevinPon. Great. I’ve subscribed so I look forward to your future posts.
It's possible to install the same switch in both sides??
Cause I did and it doesn't work properly, unless I made a mistake wiring those wires
Absolutely buddy! Watch this video
ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
Per my comments below, I did the install. Perfect. Everything EXACTLY has Kevin showed in UA-cam. Yeah Kevin!! I installed in the utility (laundry) room. Thanks again!
That is wonderful, good job! You're very welcome 😁 🍻
Did you have to do anything for the other switch as mentioned in the manual?
I followed your instructions but the light,once on, stays on.
@pikuban you have to wait till it times out then both will be off or if you press the off button for both of them it should be off 🍻
can you explain the single pole part (4:35) one more time? do we connect all 4 of the black wires together? or do you connect the wall black wires together and the switch black wire together?
If you have the same switch as me. Do not use the blue wire. You cap it off. Connect the black wire (corner of the switch) to the power source. Now you're left with the other black wire, connect that to the light fixture of the black wire. Lastly connect all your whites (neutral) together 🍻
My wall box (one of the two) has only four wires: one black, one red, one white, and one naked coper ground. Can I use the same product? How would you wire?
Hi John, are you positive that's all the black wires you have? There should be the black wire from the 14/3 (group of 3) and another black wire from the 14/2 (group of 2) that will be either the power source or the wire form the light fixture.
It should still work with the same product. You will have to connect the black with the black, white with white, red wire with the black wire that's next to the blue on the switch and lastly the bare copper with the aluminum bare on the switch. Must have constant power flowing to the motion sensor so the other switch cannot be switched off.
The blue wire on the switch can be capped off. You won't need to use it.
This is helpful. I tried to upload some pictures of my wall box, but UA-cam does not allow URL. Will buy one and try.
@@johnhe9984👍🏻😎 I've seen that. If you need some help again. Try just sending me a link of the picture
Hi Kelvin, I am trying to install one 3 way switch. Mine has a bare copper wire, white, red and 2 black wire one connected to the black screw. I am wondering what is the copper wire? Is that a ground wire? Thank you very much.
Hi Bao, yes you are correct. It is the ground wire 🍻
@@KevinPon. Thank you.
Fantastic, direct & simple instructions
Very well explained as well
Only problem is on this 3 way switch setup, after installing my MS-OPS5MH
If I turn off the rocker switch, the moti9n doesn't turn back in right away...say I forgot something & came back in 5 seconds or more later...
Solution?
@mobileautorepairs2169 the rocker switch cannot be turned off. It has to stay on so the motion sensor switch is powered on 24/7 🍻
@KevinPon. Thank you! is there an alternative to having the rocker there? Say out in a blank after tying the wires in an always on mode style with wire nuts so that it doesn't accidentally get shut off ?
@mobileautorepairs2169 yes, this is what I did to mine. I've connected the 2 wires together that completed the path as if the rocker was in the on position. There will be a traveler wire unused. After that was done, I put a blank cover on 🍻
Thanks for the video! I completed this, programmed it with the indicator lights signaling, but the switch wasn't turning on. I waited the two minutes and still no go. I almost took the whole thing apart, then i realized i just had to turn the closer switch on (and then wait the two minutes)
Thank you for the walkthrough! Couldn't have done it otherwise
You're very welcome John! Glad it worked out! 🔥
Hola que tal ...disculpa la pregunta de que lado colocaste el sensor de movimiento
Can you explain how to wire the yellow jumper on the other switch?
Hi Ryan, if you plan to have two occupancy sensor switch on the 3-way. I recommend you watch this video to make it work. ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
I purchased one of the 3 way switches and was able to install it just fine. The new switch worked well. However, the other old switch was able to turn off the light, but not turn it back on. Also, if the old light switch was off the new switch could not turn the lights on or off.
I tried switching the travelers, but that did not help. I was able to wire the old switch back and both switches work without issue. Thoughts?
Hi Nick, the reason for that is that the old switch has the control of the main power source that will feed the new switch. The new switch needs 24/7 constant power for it to work. If you turn off the old switch, it will stop the power traveling to the new switch. That's why I leave my old switch untouched. So the new switch stays on 24/7 and turns on the light automatically when someone walks to the room. 🍻
Thanks for the quick reply. So what you’re saying is I installed the new motion switch on the wrong switch? Therefore, my options are to change the motion switch to the other switch, or put motion switches on both switches?
@@nickcoad3763no problem. I wouldn't say you installed it wrong. You done it correctly. Even if you installed it to the other side. You cannot flip the old switch. Must leave it on. Let's say you did installed both on both sides and if both switches are triggered and you want to turn the lights off. You will have to press both switches to turn the light off. However installing both allows you to turn the light off only if the other switch doesn't pick up motion.
Here's a video on how I made 2 new switches to work with the correct wiring ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
@@KevinPon. Would connecting it to a neutral work to supply it power constantly?
@@blackhat8287 hi CY, no it does not. Watch this video. I think you might find the answer you're looking for ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
So clear; thanks for the answers to so many questions. Proceeding with install this afternoon. Again, thanks.
You can do it Abby! I believe in you! 🍻
Thank you so much!!! Your video was the most informative on YT!!
😁 thank you, glad to hear! 🍻
Thank you so much! The switch works perfectly. Thanks to your direction.
You're very welcome and my pleasure! 😁🍻
my only hot wire in the box is white? I am going to put black tape on it. Don't you have to do something in the other switch box?
This is a 3 way right? My switch instructs me to tie the black wires together and put the bare wire on the common terminal.
You will have to make sure it's 100% a hot wire. Mistakes can happen. If that's the case then you can put black tape on it.
It was very helpful. Thank you, Kevin. Just one thing, I wish you could mention in the beginning the difference between the singe pole and 3-way switch cause I had to pay five bucks for the online service just to find out mine isn't a single pole but requires 3-way if two switches control one light. Then I could find you only after typed in 3-way switch installation. ;) I am a lady with no clue whatsoever. Lol. Your demonstration is very clear and easy to follow. Two thumbs up!
Thank you for your feedback Christine! Lol I'm glad it worked out in the end for you! If you have any questions feel free to ask anytime 😊🍻
What happens when you turn off or on the other switch that's in the 3way? Does that switch has to be on a certain state for this to work?
I added a occupancy switch to a 3way and it works only when the dumb 3way switch is on a certain position, otherwise it doesn't work at all.
Hi Glen, you are absolutely correct. The other 3-way switch has to be "on" in order for the whole system to work. If you have it "off" ot cuts off the power to your motion sensor switch, so it does not work. You will have to leave the manual switch untouched. 🍻
@@KevinPon. Thats unfortunate. Ill likely add a smart switch there and program it to auto turn on every 1 minute to avoid someone turning it off. Thanks.
So I guess it’s not as true 3-way then if you can’t change the state of the light on either ends.
Kevin - great video! I want to replace my current bathroom and light fan (dual single toggle switch) with this one Lutron Sensor. I'm not sure how run this.
Thanks Peter! To do that, so everything is the same except for you will not be using the blue wire on this switch. Cap it off. The black wire that's right beside the blue wire on the switch, you will splice that wire with the fan and the light (your loads)(black wires) and all the white wires will be together 🍻
Kevin. Although this is a great tutorial, I still need some help to figure out which wires from my existing switch should be matched with the wires from the Luton switch. It’s a 3 way set up. The existing switch has two white wires at the top on each side (left hand side connected to a black screw, right hand side to a brass screw), and two red wires at the bottom on each side (LHS red is connected to a brass screw, RHS red is connected to a black screw). There are no tags on any of the screws. Can you advise? Happy to send a picture, however I don’t think it possible to attach pictures in these comments. Hope you can help. Thank you. R.
Hi Raouf, you could send me pictures at kevinponbusiness@gmail.com
Your existing switch does not sound like a 3-way 🍻
@@KevinPon. just sent. Thank you so much.
Can we use single motion switch or we need to buy a 3 way motion sensor?
Yes, you can use a single motion switch. But you will have to wire it correctly to function properly 🍻
I have 2 , 3 way switches going to lights, can I buy two of these for both 3 way switches that will work together? Or will only one work on a circuit? Thanks
Very good question Joshua. The answer is absolutely yes! But you'll have to follow these instructions to make it work. Watch my video to see how: ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
Can I install a motion sensor on a 4 way switch????
Absolutely. Yes you can. But have to wire it correctly is the key
@@KevinPon. I only have 3 wires on the motion sensor???? And my 4 way has 4 wires...can u please explain???? Please
@@selaxlife7621 It's a very to what I have going on here in this video ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
Will need to rewire so the 4-way will have constant power at all times. The 3-way you must not touch, it has to stay "on" all time time or it will not work.
@@KevinPon. thanks bro!
Oh man, thank you for this. Really appreciate the east to understand walk through and we’ll detailed video here. Got my working with the help of your video. Thanks again!!
Glad to hear. You are most welcome!! 😁🍻
Super helpful and easy to follow video! Thank you
You're very welcome Rick! 🍻
Where did the white wires come from?
It's the same wires that were previously attached on the original switch 🍻
In your video you remove the plate and show your old switch. No white wires are connected. I went back and checked to see if I’m losing my mind. Are those wires in behind in the wall? Are they connected to the other switch?
Opps my bad. They will be the white wires inside the box. All the white wires inside are mostly connected together. That's what you'll be looking for 🍻
Hi Kevin, my electrician install 2 3-way sensor on my staircase , one upper and one lower, but right now only the lower señor auto on and off, but the upper sensor is not working at , the switch is not able to turn on and off either , I try to do the setting high sensitively and auto on and off, I don't know what part of wiring is wrong ?
Hi Loretta, I know what's wrong. The problem is that the other switch has no constant power. Please check this video, this will solve your problem. ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
Wait...did you replace both switches with 3-ways or did you leave the other switch as a 3-way non-occupancy sensor switch?
Hi Rich, here a link with both switches replaced that works its the only way to get them both functional
ua-cam.com/video/zEqfHxSLC-s/v-deo.html
In this video only one switch was installed and the other 3-way non-occupancy sensor switch was left alone and cannot be used 🍻
Hey Kevin thanks for this vid! Is it possible to wire two Lutron occupancy sensor 3-way switches together? The switches are around the corner from each other and so I'd really like both switches to have sensors.
Hi Corbin, I'm thinking it will work. I'm planning to test that out to see. Hopefully today I'll have some time.
@@KevinPon. Thanks for responding so quickly! Fingers crossed that you can figure it out!
@@KevinPon. Oh yes please! I've been interested in doing the same thing but have no idea how to do it.
@@pkmaul9156 I will have an answer by the end of today. Promise! 😂
@@pkmaul9156 Here's your answer: Video for proof ua-cam.com/video/Ma_gWiJ5VEE/v-deo.html
And the answer is no can do :(
so i install one 3-way sensor in one switch and a normal 3-way switch on the other switch. my sensor switch only work when my other normal switch is turn on. is this normal? So if i turn off my normal 3-way switch, the sensor doesn't work.
Yes that is normal. The reason why it does that is cause the sensor is not being supplied by constant power 24/7. So you will have to leave your normal 3-way untouched in order for the sensor to be on 24/7 and it'll be able to do its thing.
The instruction that come with this exact switch show you how to wire the non-motion sensor switch in a 3 way setup so that this exact issue won’t happen. I’m not sure why this video left out that part. It is absolutely possible to wire it correctly so that you do not have to leave your normal switch in the “on” position constantly.
@@LouDog0102 regardless, you won't be using the normal switch. By doing this way, there's the option to turn off the occupancy sensor. Even if it was wired the other way. The normal switch is ON even if you flip it "off"...
There's actually something you have to do to the old switch. You have to take one of the travelers and wire it together with the common wire. Then you will always have power supply to the motion switch.
@@blackhat8287 yes you can or leave it. Then you will have the option to turn off the occupancy sensor. You have more options this way.
Hello Kevin, me again lol
So this time I got the single pole version of this switch and realized that my old switch didn't have a ground connected to it (just 2 black wires on 1 side). I do see an empty screw in the back, so can I twist the green and bare wires from the Lutron together and connect it to the screw in the back as ground?
Thanks!
Yes that's correct Tim! The back of the box are for grounding. You go it!👍🏻👍🏻
@@KevinPon. hm, another question here, if I have a neutral, should I be connecting that too? Don't quite understand the purpose of it. My old mechanical switch only had 2 blacks connecting to it
If there's a neutral. Generally you will put all the whites together. Most of the time!
@@KevinPon. and a slightly random question, if you turn the lights off manually with the big switch (before the timer is up), how long does it take before it starts registering motion again? 2 of mine are around 30 secs but this other one takes forever
Mine is around 5 secs or less. Not long.
Hello! I have a 3 way setup and I had a handyman come do this for me (I just don't trust myself lol), but what's happening now is that the regular switch doesn't turn the light on (however it can turn the light off with it if I trigger the light with the Maestro first). What wiring did we mess up? I noticed that he didn't use that one wire at 1:43 and used the one at 0:52 to hook to the very back instead
Currently the light only turns on when the regular switch is in 1 state, acting as the gatekeeper😆
I'm hoping to still be able to use the regular switch separately if possible in this setup
Great video though!
Thanks!
Hi Timothy, oh boy that is so weird. But wiring at 1:43 you can skip. The wiring at 0:52 should be used to combine with the rest of the white wires.
@@KevinPon. I see, so the behavior I want is that I can independently use the mechanical switch while the Lutron will turn the light on regardless of what state the mechanical switch is in
Is this possible? Or is the current behavior how it's supposed to work?
Thanks!
@@KevinPon. oh, did you make changes to the other half of the 3 way switch? I just realized instructions for that
The other 3 way switch has to stay "on" so it does not turn off the Lutron. No changes made.
@@KevinPon. I see, so with your wiring, can you turn the lights on and off with just the mechanical switch (no triggering of the lights with the Lutron)?
The instructions say to jump the second 3-way switch on the other end, how come you didn’t have to do it?
By not doing it, I still have the option to turn off the lights from the second 3-way switch if I wanted to 🍻
@@KevinPon. so you have a 4 way setup with 3 switches? I believe to have to jump it to get them to work arbitrarily
Very interesting! Kevin. This is what I would like to see, the installation of the sensor. Thank you! friend, for the demonstration, thank you! same.😃👊🏻
You're very welcome my friend! 🍻👍🏻
@@KevinPon. 😃🍻👍🏻
Thanks for the video buddy. It's very informative.
My pleasure Sam! 😎
How many 3 way switch in 1 light because have traveller where going this
Only 2x 3-way switches maximum per light
Thanks for this very helpful video!
My pleasure 😁🍻
Why are you working with live wires?
I'm an electrician. There's a risk but I am not worried.
Gotcha. I’ve had to do that a few times before as well. Certainly not the most desirable method to say the least.
Sometimes you gotta do it 😅
Thanks for your helpful demo. I just installed 3 3-way and 2 single pole switches . Stairway has 5 3 way switches as group of 3 and 2, I only change 3 of them, in the group of 3, I changed two which are to detect the start of stepping down the stair and one to stepping up. I left out the middle between the bottom and the top of the stairs which is a 3-way with dimmer. I ran onto one which does not have neutral and one which needs to wire with a whole bunch of white wires. For single pole, just don't use the green one and connect to the bare. However, there is one old switch which controls light but does not look like 3-way but rather single pole switch and not only it has 2 screws but 4 screws, so this part I'm still figuring out if I can use it as a single pole but it may disable whatever the other 2 screws got connected. I was looking and almost ready to buy battery power stairway lighting set which would be a very bad idea since Lutron's cool occupancy sensor switches solved how lighting should operate in need of those situations as in my case as older people forgot to activate light when going downstairs. Not only it lights up automatically but turns off when not in use. This is how demo should be so you can see wire connection with clear explanation as I was able to understand to get this installed correctly.
Great job !!
Thank you brother! 🍻
@KevinPon1. I've got kids. They are always leaving the fan on in the bathroom. My solution? An occupancy sensor switch. The bathroom has a sink and a toilet. The are two switches. One for the exhaust fan and one for the physically seperate light fixture. So I decided to have the light fixture motion activated. I took note of how the original switches were wired. But when it was time to use those drawings. I couldnn't make sense of them. Go figure. I did not realize it when I started but it turns out that they adjacent foyer light, a wall outlet and my porch light wired into the bathrooms switch box. So when I disconnected the wires, all the above had no power Anyway, with both switches pulled out from the wall, the box has a bundle of nuetral wire, four black lines, one of which is hot. Not sure why. But, Chatgtp tells me to wire up the occupancy sensor with fan control first. The switches need to operate independantly of each other. In other words. I do not want one switch to work only if they other switch is turned on. The occupancy switch has a Line in, a load out, a ground, a nuetral, and a blue traveler. The motion sensor light switch has a line in, a load out, a nuetral and a ground. I connected each switches ground to the wall ground. I connected bothe nuetrals to the nuetral bundle. Having only one Hot line I wire nutted the line in of bothe switches to the hot line. I connected the load out lines of each switch to its corresponding fixture line. Now, here is the problem. The fan will not turn on unless the light switch is turned on. I still have one unused black line in the wall. I'm think that line delivers the power to my foyer, prorch light and wall outlet. So, I'm guessing I should have also wired it to the hot like in the wall. Do I need to use the blue traveler to power my light switch instead of a black line in? I'm guessing that the traveller provides constant power and bypasses the on/off switch. Fast response would be greatly appreciated. I mean happy wife , happy life, right? Yeah shes sort a pissed that my work cut some of the power. LOL.
Switches
Lutron single pole motion sensor with fan control MS-OPS6M2-DVR-WH
and
Lutron single pole motion sensor light switch MS-OPS2
Haha oh boy. Hi Peter, I'll try my best to help you out. From what you have been telling me. Whoever wired your place, put everything on one circuit... You're on the right track. Do not use the blue traveller, just cap it. We won't be using it. What we are going to do is connect your hot wire to: line for the occupancy, line for your motion, and the remaining black wire that feeds power to the foyer, porch and wall outlets. Combine them all. Connect your two loads as I've read you have already done that and all your ground wires. Connect all the neutral wires together. Make sure you have your breaker is off to be safe. When everything is all complete you can turn the the breaker back on and everything should be back to normal. 🍻🍻
@@KevinPon.so, indeed. Everything is working. I didn't die, I didn't burn the house down. Mind you. This is the second set of switch. With the first set I thought I had it hooked up right. But clearly didn't. When I hit the switch to turn on the light. The actual light switch blew up. This included some shrapnel on fire as well. That happened before I messaged you. But we are good niw
Except the setup still isn't functioning as expected. The fan switch is behaving as though it gets it's power from the light switch. It doesn't. But fan won't run unless the light switch is turned on. When the light switches sensor shuts off the light. The fan stops. But I don't want that.
The two seperate switches are pigtailed to the one hot line in the bathroom. So both are independant ly powered. Or at least they should be. I was hoping to ha e sensor active light. A fan you have to turn on. Then the light shoukd go off after 5 minutes. Whike the fan runs for 5 more mi utes. That was the idea. But instead. I have to set. The light to remain on longer than the fan. I guess with these poless switches, there's no bypassing the switch. In the old setup. Power went to the fan first then over to Line of the light switch L. Am I Mali g sense? Am I missing something here? Perhaps a second hot line from the wall?
That is so weird. When you splice the line with the light and fan switch. They should both be functional. The fan shouldn't rely on the light switch.
@@KevinPon. and both neutrals go to the same bundle of neutrals in the wall.
Yes, combining them would be the easiest. Since we have no idea what's going on exactly 🙈
LOL! You're OCD. hehe At 6:43 it shows the wall plate back on with all the screws pointed in the same direction!! Hahaha.... I do that!
😂😂😂 it's the only right way to do it haha and horizontal just doesn't look right lol
Thats not OCD...thats how Union electricians work....we all do that.
You have to zoom in bro. Pointing to a lump of wires and saying, Connect these two, doesn’t work. Didn’t help me at all. 🙁
Sorry bro. I'm new 😅