SnS be like: This party's getting crazy! Let's rock! *Does one attack.* *Dismal.* *Does two more attacks.* *Crazy!* *Does a whole combo string.* *Abysmal.* *Puts on Destroyer oil, then does a whole combo and parries the roar with Metsu, breaking the head while falling down.* *Savage!* *Does perfect rush, then metsu.* *Sick skills!* *Dodges one tailswipe, then blocks an attack, does metsu, stunning the monster for a sweet counter attack into perfect rush.* *Smoking **** style!* Rank: S.
I'm so looking forward to having this move! I always struggled to make good use of falling shadow because of how vulnerable it left you and how tricky it was to control; but a grounded version with a slightly longer cooldown that doesn't use sharpness AND comes with a free block to let you charge recklessly through monster attacks? The shield and sword has never looked so clean
Yeah personally it being able to block projectiles isn't that big of a deal to me, way I see it is I'm gonna have to build around guard up and guard to make that useful and SnS already has so many potential skills you want on it without those two, regardless of how cheap they are. Backstep, roll and falling shadow have so many iFrames that I don't see myself outright replacing it, I'd probably end up running with this yet to be officially named silkbind on a more grounded silkbind set used for smaller monsters or monsters with good anti-air though. And yes, the potential DPS is higher, but not by such a large margin that it'll always be worth the safety of having the current backdash/perfect rush/sliding slash, especially now that we can swap back and forth at the press of 3 buttons on controller. It's a good option, but it doesn't outright replace it for me. NOW Destroyer Oil on the other hand..... Capcom plz, just make it reduce sharpness loss or negate it entirely, SnS doesn't need more stagger and if you REALLY wanna push elemental SnS.
I will always remember iceborne PR as the pinnacle of SnS but I'm honestly very excited for this new move. I'm already planning om getting wirebug whisperer for master rank sets and this will ramp the shield charge uptime by a lot.
id say its still a viable option but its deffinately not the most damaging unless your going for a tail cut or something. I do miss the damage it would put out in world.
I do, but you are only having the frames during the last traveling portion of the move. So it is kind of hard to time well so much in advance. I use that only when I am far in multiplayer and I see the monster doing an attack. But I don't have time to do this move for roars usually.
My guess is, that even if you have the opportunity to put them on the same build, there is a "cost" involved, that of using silkbind swap and that of using the bug itself. To a speedrunner, only the most optimal strategies and routes are considered. This shouldn't really apply to a player unless they're trying to be absolutely the most optimal possible. If Destroyer Oil can produce a more comfy hunt and you want to use it, go ahead. This is why I value things like exhaust phial on switch axe, as getting a KO on a solo hunt is more useful to me than simply killing the monster a few attacks earlier.
good god You are very thick. Yes, you probably can but it's all about efficiency. the cooldowns for Destroyer oil is too long for it to be considered an optimal option to use. Would you rather waste a precious wirebug for Destroyer oil or use them to spam Metsu that is going to flinch the monsters anyway ? I mean if you want to use it to look cool then sure. But looking cool won't really save you most of the time. But a metsu can save you while flinching monsters everytime. So yeah people would rather save wirebugs for metsu than wasting a long recharge for Oil.
@@SnoopinATB Shield and Shield is busted fun in Sunbreak. Just beat the main story boss and stunned him 4 times within 10mins without slugger hahaha disgusting
@@fishnutz5196 that’s crazy, I’ve had slugger maxed out and it’s crazy how much you can stagger and knock down monsters, don’t know if they changed it for sunbreak but it seems easier to stun monsters
Leaving this here for those wondering about the destroyer oil "hate". The best way to describe it is suboptimal as hell. You don't control when a monster roars, giving up a metsu roar counter for increased flinching chances, isnt worth it for speed runners. Hell not having access to metsu 100% of time itself is just... tough. To top it off! You're giving up one wirebug, and very precious resource which may only be more precious in the actual game as wire bug whisperer +3 may not be available. Metsu is both your best offensive and defensive option, sloting in at least wire bug whisperer 1 is basically mandatory for SnS, if you want to take away resources that prevent you from your best tool... you better have a damn good reason. For some positives; Destroyer oil is still a buff and a buff that can be active around 95% of the time. The cool down for the buff is waaaaay longer than the cool down for wirebug recharge. Just hope you apply it at a good time and don't get hit, because metsu likely won't be there to save you ;_;.
Agreed that compared to metsu, chaos oil is pretty meh. Metsu is just too good. Which is why I'm afraid that if people complain too much of the sub chaos oil they would nerf metsu instead. Perfect rush seems on life support now and I fear metsu would be next.
Capcom left the new moves in the demo and just made them inaccessible, so with the help of cheats people have been able to access them and try them out. So they are officially made by capcom, but not officially revealed or released.
The new twin blade combo is objectively better than the sword/shield combo. You can aim it in any direction, follow up with spinning reaper, and even use it after return stroke. It will definitely be useful for elemental SnS.
Honestly it won't be easy to compete with the Falling Shadow because it's much more versatile. It has a , gives you vertical reach, you can do Plunging Thrust to land earlier and of course it has strong follow ups.
Imo, the thing about falling shadow that always gets me, is that unless you're using it for an approach or an immediate exit to / from far away, it becomes a very awkward move to pull out, due to the actual distance windup before the slash. You can also launch yourself with either a charged backstep slash, or shoryugeki, which I find a lot more controllable as well. And if I'm disengaging immediately, I can always just pull out a backstep cancel, capitalize on shoryugeki counter, roll away, or even just pull out a block with guard up, in a pinch. Besides, if I'm approaching, I'd much rather just use the unsheathed aerial bug to get me in, so I can start shield bashing asap.
@@emosgowoof I believe it was designed that way to enable it to function as a escape/reposition move as well. But I would much rather prefer for it to function as for example as the Soaring Kick - being able to connect with monster parts next to you and make it part of the combo rotation.
I respect you, and love your content, but I can't shake the feeling that you have something against destroyer oil. Not saying it's a bad thing, I personally have windmill in place of it for my Sword or Shield playstyle, but I just find it funny. Yeah wiredash looks amazing and I can't wait to try it when Sunbreak comes out
Windmill is actually not bad now! It's does a little more damage and only the first and last hits reduce sharpness. But about destroyer oil, I feel like the developers have been fooling SnS players recently. They fooled SnS players into thinking the Hi Ninja Sword is good, and now they are fooling SnS players into thinking Destroyer Oil is good. There are still people out there who think it's actually Chaos Oil. Destroyer Oil in Gen/GU was almost useless, so it's not going to be useful in Sunbreak, especially since hard basher and metsu already flinches a lot.
@@SKY85sr I agree. We really are the clowns in Capcom's circus. I heard about windmill being buffed and I'm happy for it since I actually really like windmill as a move. I never put that spinach juice on my sword in GU anyway.
@@SKY85sr im planning a Yakuza-inspired gimmick build that relies more on shield attacks (punch since Hi Ninja Sword doesn't have a shield) and since it also prioritizes guard skills, there will be another move to utilize it
this move looks really cool, but man im so disheartened at how watered down rise sns is. the bnb combo isnt useful, elements dont even get applied on 99% of the dps attacks, and even perfect rush, which i thought was also too spammy in world is basically useless now. it just feels like the devs slowly stripped it of it's whole identity and replaced it with "a faster hammer"
Instead of caring about "whats most effective" just play to have fun. SnS has some of the best combos in the game and chaining them all together may not be the highest dps but its flashy and satisfying. Once i changed to this mindset i enjoyed it alot more. Most of us players arent speedrunners and we shouldnt try to play like they would.
Silkbind? Yeah I'm looking forward to the new Hollow Knight too.
yes
🤣, fun but actually yeah
SnS be like: This party's getting crazy! Let's rock!
*Does one attack.*
*Dismal.*
*Does two more attacks.*
*Crazy!*
*Does a whole combo string.*
*Abysmal.*
*Puts on Destroyer oil, then does a whole combo and parries the roar with Metsu, breaking the head while falling down.*
*Savage!*
*Does perfect rush, then metsu.*
*Sick skills!*
*Dodges one tailswipe, then blocks an attack, does metsu, stunning the monster for a sweet counter attack into perfect rush.*
*Smoking **** style!*
Rank: S.
No one's gonna believe me, but except for the destroyer oil part I once did that to a barioth
I find it more satisfying to dodge through a monster roar without evade window so satisfying
I'm so looking forward to having this move! I always struggled to make good use of falling shadow because of how vulnerable it left you and how tricky it was to control; but a grounded version with a slightly longer cooldown that doesn't use sharpness AND comes with a free block to let you charge recklessly through monster attacks?
The shield and sword has never looked so clean
The shield and sword? I think you mean the shield and stick. 🤣
Yeah personally it being able to block projectiles isn't that big of a deal to me, way I see it is I'm gonna have to build around guard up and guard to make that useful and SnS already has so many potential skills you want on it without those two, regardless of how cheap they are.
Backstep, roll and falling shadow have so many iFrames that I don't see myself outright replacing it, I'd probably end up running with this yet to be officially named silkbind on a more grounded silkbind set used for smaller monsters or monsters with good anti-air though.
And yes, the potential DPS is higher, but not by such a large margin that it'll always be worth the safety of having the current backdash/perfect rush/sliding slash, especially now that we can swap back and forth at the press of 3 buttons on controller. It's a good option, but it doesn't outright replace it for me.
NOW Destroyer Oil on the other hand..... Capcom plz, just make it reduce sharpness loss or negate it entirely, SnS doesn't need more stagger and if you REALLY wanna push elemental SnS.
@@luck002 I think you mean the stick and board
I will always remember iceborne PR as the pinnacle of SnS but I'm honestly very excited for this new move. I'm already planning om getting wirebug whisperer for master rank sets and this will ramp the shield charge uptime by a lot.
Truly, SnS now means Shield and Stun.
0:52 bro that poor Izuchi got sent to the shadow realm
shield and sword still going strong
dont forget that perfect rush got and maybe gets more motion value buffs
i hope it becomes competative again i loved that playstyle in world
@@Raya.T I know right, I miss perfect rush being the strongest option. In rise it's no longer perfect rush, it's normal rush
id say its still a viable option but its deffinately not the most damaging unless your going for a tail cut or something. I do miss the damage it would put out in world.
Great content as always
Thanks, Franz!
I've a question, can we use this silkbind like a counter, or it isn't I-frame ?
I do, but you are only having the frames during the last traveling portion of the move. So it is kind of hard to time well so much in advance. I use that only when I am far in multiplayer and I see the monster doing an attack. But I don't have time to do this move for roars usually.
Hey there! SnS main here! Here is a pro tip:
Did you know that you can perform a sword attack by pressing the triangle button?
Ill give him a break here since he has the seregios sns here so he doesnt have any elemental to scale with his sword slashes
There's a sword attack?
I mean it's not like you can't use both destroyer oil and wirecharge in the same build
Why not use both?
My guess is, that even if you have the opportunity to put them on the same build, there is a "cost" involved, that of using silkbind swap and that of using the bug itself. To a speedrunner, only the most optimal strategies and routes are considered. This shouldn't really apply to a player unless they're trying to be absolutely the most optimal possible. If Destroyer Oil can produce a more comfy hunt and you want to use it, go ahead. This is why I value things like exhaust phial on switch axe, as getting a KO on a solo hunt is more useful to me than simply killing the monster a few attacks earlier.
I'll consider using both if destroyer oil gets considerably buffed. No point in using destroyer oil as of right now.
good god You are very thick.
Yes, you probably can but it's all about efficiency. the cooldowns for Destroyer oil is too long for it to be considered an optimal option to use.
Would you rather waste a precious wirebug for Destroyer oil or use them to spam Metsu that is going to flinch the monsters anyway ?
I mean if you want to use it to look cool then sure. But looking cool won't really save you most of the time. But a metsu can save you while flinching monsters everytime. So yeah people would rather save wirebugs for metsu than wasting a long recharge for Oil.
How has it taken me this long to find this UA-cam channel
Better late than never!
At this point i pretty much main the shield
Lol ever since I unlocked the ninja sword I just main my fist 😂
@@SnoopinATB Shield and Shield is busted fun in Sunbreak. Just beat the main story boss and stunned him 4 times within 10mins without slugger hahaha disgusting
@@fishnutz5196 that’s crazy, I’ve had slugger maxed out and it’s crazy how much you can stagger and knock down monsters, don’t know if they changed it for sunbreak but it seems easier to stun monsters
destroyer oil wishes it was chaos oil
The only way I'm giving destroyer oil a pass is it it was part Breaker 3 + minds eye 3
Leaving this here for those wondering about the destroyer oil "hate". The best way to describe it is suboptimal as hell. You don't control when a monster roars, giving up a metsu roar counter for increased flinching chances, isnt worth it for speed runners. Hell not having access to metsu 100% of time itself is just... tough. To top it off! You're giving up one wirebug, and very precious resource which may only be more precious in the actual game as wire bug whisperer +3 may not be available. Metsu is both your best offensive and defensive option, sloting in at least wire bug whisperer 1 is basically mandatory for SnS, if you want to take away resources that prevent you from your best tool... you better have a damn good reason.
For some positives; Destroyer oil is still a buff and a buff that can be active around 95% of the time. The cool down for the buff is waaaaay longer than the cool down for wirebug recharge. Just hope you apply it at a good time and don't get hit, because metsu likely won't be there to save you ;_;.
Agreed that compared to metsu, chaos oil is pretty meh. Metsu is just too good. Which is why I'm afraid that if people complain too much of the sub chaos oil they would nerf metsu instead. Perfect rush seems on life support now and I fear metsu would be next.
or just skill swap after you apply it. Wow easy.
@@SchwartzSchnee read what I said carefully, it applies with skill swap
@@SchwartzSchnee learn to read properly. then comment again.
Or don't and take the L
can i ask you 1 thing? it's officially public by Capcom or just mod? because it's look great! and i fcking love it!
Capcom left the new moves in the demo and just made them inaccessible, so with the help of cheats people have been able to access them and try them out.
So they are officially made by capcom, but not officially revealed or released.
The method I used to make wire charge accessible in the demo is in the description. It is a little sketchy though, so do it at your own risk.
@@SKY85sr thank you so much
@@cruzerion oh i see. thank you so much
Sns needs a damage buff 😎
Any thoughts on the new 2 hit combo replacement?
The new twin blade combo is objectively better than the sword/shield combo. You can aim it in any direction, follow up with spinning reaper, and even use it after return stroke. It will definitely be useful for elemental SnS.
This is great news 🎉
SNS eating good 😤
Oh yeah!
Why is "better then" relevant in any way? It´s not like those skills are in the same shortcut slot! Even then we can swap now anyway.
Wire charge does a better job at destroying monsters than destroyer oil
Right ? It's almost like YOU CAN USE BOTH, this "X better than Y" is stupid af
Just give me my Shield and Shield already.
Woohoo!
WOOHOO!😀
Wait is perfect rush not good?
Perfect got buffed a little bit, but wire charge loops will do more DPS now.
Honestly it won't be easy to compete with the Falling Shadow because it's much more versatile. It has a , gives you vertical reach, you can do Plunging Thrust to land earlier and of course it has strong follow ups.
which animation of falling shadow have the i-frame?
Imo, the thing about falling shadow that always gets me, is that unless you're using it for an approach or an immediate exit to / from far away, it becomes a very awkward move to pull out, due to the actual distance windup before the slash. You can also launch yourself with either a charged backstep slash, or shoryugeki, which I find a lot more controllable as well. And if I'm disengaging immediately, I can always just pull out a backstep cancel, capitalize on shoryugeki counter, roll away, or even just pull out a block with guard up, in a pinch. Besides, if I'm approaching, I'd much rather just use the unsheathed aerial bug to get me in, so I can start shield bashing asap.
@@yuutsukariyuzuki6904 Shortly after you connect with the target. I often dodge roars this way.
@@emosgowoof I believe it was designed that way to enable it to function as a escape/reposition move as well. But I would much rather prefer for it to function as for example as the Soaring Kick - being able to connect with monster parts next to you and make it part of the combo rotation.
@@AkantorCZ I see. Cool, thanks!
I respect you, and love your content, but I can't shake the feeling that you have something against destroyer oil.
Not saying it's a bad thing, I personally have windmill in place of it for my Sword or Shield playstyle, but I just find it funny.
Yeah wiredash looks amazing and I can't wait to try it when Sunbreak comes out
Windmill is actually not bad now! It's does a little more damage and only the first and last hits reduce sharpness.
But about destroyer oil, I feel like the developers have been fooling SnS players recently. They fooled SnS players into thinking the Hi Ninja Sword is good, and now they are fooling SnS players into thinking Destroyer Oil is good. There are still people out there who think it's actually Chaos Oil.
Destroyer Oil in Gen/GU was almost useless, so it's not going to be useful in Sunbreak, especially since hard basher and metsu already flinches a lot.
@@SKY85sr I agree. We really are the clowns in Capcom's circus.
I heard about windmill being buffed and I'm happy for it since I actually really like windmill as a move.
I never put that spinach juice on my sword in GU anyway.
@@SKY85sr What was wrong with the Hi Ninja Sword? Is the new MR Ninja Sword also bad too? I was looking forward to making it
whats the music?
MH4U ost - Cathar theme
my Mad Dog build is getting more and more viable
Mad Dog build?
@@SKY85sr im planning a Yakuza-inspired gimmick build that relies more on shield attacks (punch since Hi Ninja Sword doesn't have a shield) and since it also prioritizes guard skills, there will be another move to utilize it
this move looks really cool, but man im so disheartened at how watered down rise sns is. the bnb combo isnt useful, elements dont even get applied on 99% of the dps attacks, and even perfect rush, which i thought was also too spammy in world is basically useless now. it just feels like the devs slowly stripped it of it's whole identity and replaced it with "a faster hammer"
Some of the elemental modifiers have been buffed, so there’s still hope for elemental SnS to be good.
Instead of caring about "whats most effective" just play to have fun. SnS has some of the best combos in the game and chaining them all together may not be the highest dps but its flashy and satisfying. Once i changed to this mindset i enjoyed it alot more. Most of us players arent speedrunners and we shouldnt try to play like they would.
@@fishnutz5196 Thank you for speaking the truth.