Would YOU fly on a day like THIS?
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- I fly my son from England to North Wales, where it always seems to be raining!
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I’m an airline pilot based in one of London airport I must say you’re doing an absolute amazing job I really like watching your videos. I know how it is flying in the busy UK airspace you’re fantastic in single pilot operation.
Thank you!
A good video showing practical use of the IR(R) rating rather than the “get out of trouble you shouldn’t have got in” use case. Thanks Jon.
Two hours after posting the video it appeared on my feed. I'm a simple man. I see a Flying Reporter video, I click on it!
Thank you!🙏
Me too. I guess that makes us The Simpletons? 😂
Has to be the best GA channel on youtube. Always well narrated and engaging. As a private pilot i've learned a lot from your content and always look forward to the next video. You're doing a great job.
Thank you so much Andy.
@@TheFlyingReporter No worries, said with absolute sincerity. Your videos are keeping me engaged and enthusiastic until i can get back to flying again.
As a former private pilot in the U.S. now grounded by chronic illness, it does my heart good to see someone using their flying privilege as it was meant to be. And given a choice, flying IFR is always safer than VFR. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching. And hope your health improves.
Fabulous. Being able to get all that way in 1 hour 20 mins! A big responsibility for you and well executed. Really enjoy your flights.
It’s a regular jaunt and it would be painful in the car. Thanks for watching.
I am in awe. You have excellent recall, I tried reading back some of the information/instructions from ATC you had on your video and couldn't remember it all.
Thank you, John and Burty, for another excellent video. I'm feeling slightly homesick watching you visit my home area of Hawarden, where I first got the aviation bug. Keep up the good work.😃
Thanks for watching. Hope it brought back some happy memories.
As another airline pilot here I think your content is great. Your planning is meticulous, flying conservative and attitude professional.
Lovely to see you fly from where I started my career. Even nicer to see a classic instrument suite fitted to the Arrow…..
Blue skies mate
Spot on decision making Jon 👌🏻 I didn't see much wrong with the flight at all and thought you handled it perfectly well. It made for another entertaining vlog 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks Kevin.
Great video, great pilot too. Glad you are going for your full instrument rating, it's the way to go! Fantastic. 🙂
It's about time!
As a non-pilot with a great interest in the mechanics of flying, I have one comment on your flight "very regimental". Safe flying.
nice flight. glad to see how happy the guy was just because you remembered his name. good pilot and good pr. :)
It doesn't hurt to show some courtesy does it.
Nice to see IFR operations in the UK 🇬🇧. It’s very similar to the procedures here in the USA 🇺🇸. We don’t have restricted IFR ratings, however. Greetings from a Piper Turbo Arrow III pilot based in Kestrel Air Park (1T7) in central Texas.
Thank you for watching. TA3’s are the best!
'Back in the day' in Canada we used to have Class 1 and Class 2 Instrument ratings. The Class 2 seems similar to your UK qualification. With a Class 2 approachs were limited to 800 feet / 1 mile vis (or some such).... Most new IFR applicants got the '2' for the first 6 months or so ...
Thanks for sharing 🙏.... good job.... there's enough people out there willing to give you a hard time. You don't need to do it yourself. Kind regards 😊
A great video that highlights the benefits and usefulness of an instrument rating even for GA pilots like yourself. Definitely worth having for safety and to give you a second option for plan A before you resort to plan B or even writing the flight off completely before you've even started as you mentioned.
Great video Jon as usual and good to see you using the safety nets available with your rating.
Thanks Nigel.
Proper job! Thanks for the vid!
Good stuff Jon, I like that you are always expanding your experience and aren’t afraid to push yourself with well thought out options. Was also just watching your instrument training from 4 years ago and can see how you’ve improved all round.
Flying at 2400 under the London isn’t something I ever do, partly because you and other do and partly because of how easy it is to go up 100’. A CherokeeArrow is a bit more docile I imagine.
Cheers, keep up the good work.
It's a stable platform, but yes, can be affected by unexpected lift, like any aircraft.
4:31 I like you telling your son you’ll be hard at work soon. As a lowly student pilot I had my share of marginal VMC flying recently coming back to my home field, thankfully together with my FI. Conditions were still legal, but alone I would have diverted, tbh. I know the TP like the back of my hand but it was a struggle to find the field and my usual I usual visual markers. I realized my task saturation when my FI suddenly took over radio coms. A unique experience I will avoid like hell in the future 😊.
Since 2022 we have the Basic IR in the EASA world. Minimums are no less then 200AGL and 600 for dep. Sounds worth it for me. Maybe your UK IR can be transferred? For what it’s worth, I think you did a pretty good job on that instrument app! Hopefully I can do that myself someday.
Loved it!! It's so good to be able to fly with you. (Especially today.....bed bound on serious painkillers with a slipped disk...again😕) But your film just took me on a lovely trip! Thank you.
Thanks for riding with us.
Brilliant video as always, really nice to watch, thanks for the detailed view. Good to see your son with you
Matt
Thanks Matt.
Great video as always John, lovely way to travel cross country! Finally looking to begin my LAPL/PPL early next year over in Ireland!
Excellent!
I gained my PPL back in the eighties but soon had to give up flying due to the arrival of twins. (cost ££££) Your video's are getting my interest going and I would love to do some more flying but I'm getting on a bit and guess I would have to to start from scratch all over again. I will have to make do with microsoft flight sim now so have just ordered a force feedback yoke and two G1000's. The flight sim seems fairly good (not the 2024 ver at the moment) but not using a good feedback from the yoke I think is very important so can feel the aircraft.
Great video and helped me understand more the benefits of a IR(R) rating as I look to build on my PPL
Fantastic video, it's great to see british flying, sharing these videos will be helping so many people like me who have just got into aviation!
Thanks Christopher.
A nice flight thanks for sharing. 😁
Pleasure.
Even though I don't fly class A I always watch your excellent videos. I love your calm and open presentation.
I have always watched various videos of different class/size/weight aircraft to have an appreciation of the bigger picture of aviation in the UK and abroad.
Thanks Alan.
Another top class publication. As a simmer (can I say that without rebuke?) I love watching your real world flying.
Just pure quality. Many thanks
You absolutely can!
Thanks for an excellent video. Sensible flying and a great example.
Great to see someone using the IR(R) to get places. Mine is very much underused, but I tend not to fly with places that have approaches - not by choice, just very few GA friendly airfields where I tend to fly to. "Bertie" seemed to be more interested in what you were up to on that flight. Perhaps he is looking for a promotion to the first officers seat? 🤣
Yes, I noticed he was more interested this time.
Great job John love the instrument vids brill use of ir(r) look forward to the update on your instrument flying
Thanks Kevin.
Great journey Jon & Bertie!!
Thanks for riding along with us.
Great video Jon as always. I am a non IRR PPL so bear with me on this questions which is where was the glide path indication on your ILS instrument?
On the HSI, the glideslope is a yellow indication on the left of the instrument, which is mostly obscured from the camera by the instrument panel bevel on the footage, due to the position of the camera. If you look closely, you'll see the yellow indicator centred in the middle, with lines above and below.
Another cracking video. Thanks for sharing.
Good to see you using the “ IMC “ rating as it used to be to the full extent . I used to teach these, but there wasn’t many people going for it , and a few immediately after PPL bit off a tad more than they could chew . Single crew IFR isn’t easy .
Thanks.
Keep flying safe. Love your content.
Thank you!
You're an excellent pilot, Jon.
Thank you!
I love Hawarden. I was posted to RAF Sealand back in the 80’s and my first married quarter was at Hawarden, next to the airfield. John and the guys are always very welcoming as indeed are ATC. Not sure what the propensity to fly VFR all the time is. I would always take an instrument approach unless I was short on time, it’s safer and hones one’s skills.
The UK isn't very well set up for IFR flight outside of controlled airspace.
nice flight nice film. ... your destination airport seems to be a big airbus facility
Yes, they build the wings for airbus aircraft.
Another great video! This Yankee is still trying to figure out all the rules and such over there. But flying is flying, and there really isn't much difference here or there.
I live about 3 miles from that airport. I often drive past the runway.
Another nice video Jon. Cheers
Thanks for watching.
ive been watching with horror a lot of USA GA nonsense recently (i did some private flying in the 90s in Dallas) and seeing especially disasters due to all forms of negligence, ego and utter stupidity, your safe relaxed well conducted trip, in calm professional controlled airspace reminded me when i learnt to fly at Shoreham in the days when FMS were the only glass device in the cockpits, with one's map on the knees, your flight really was enjoyable great to see UK from the air, I'm stuck in permanent VMC at 35C local and light on shore winds, = Thailand bored stiff and retired no plane real bummer...
Thanks for watching.
I'd suggest an instrument rating should be used regularly. That way , IF you have to use it (weather not as forecast etc) it is much more muscle memory than rusty.
I watch Pilot Debrief, by Hoover, and too many accidents happen to I.R. pilots who haven't (fully) used it since qualifying but think they still can.
They then stray from VMC into IMC and suffer task saturation.
Nice one again Jon. Brings back memories watching your trips. High workload on that one. Did well. Flying IMC but having viz can i imagine at times be harder than just using instruments. Any thoughts on that? Looking forward to your IR journey.
Well, you have to keep the lookout going, in the class G. That's the only difference really.
Excellent .
Nice to watch, i miss Noel Phillips pilot vlogs so can watch your videos instead 😊
Being your own worst critic is a good thing, because essentially it’s your and your passengers lives ultimately. That being said, you have a tendency to be particularly harsh on yourself. I get it, you want to be the best pilot you can, to keep your son & husband safe, and to portray a positive message. But don’t be so down on yourself or second guessing so much.
Your good judgement got you this far in life, as a viewer I trust you and what you say. Part of that trust comes from your honest self reflection, but again don’t be quite such a harsh self critic.
Lovely video, looked like a very pleasant flight!
Thank you.
I enjoyed that little jaunt. New sub here!
Thanks for subscribing.
Always better safe than sorry! And practicing an ILS-approach every now and than is a got thing!
That's very true.
Another great video!
Thank you.
Gee if I had been flying with my dad.....I would be up front wanting a go.
You just about flew over my house on app to Hawarden Chester Airfield.
Hope you visited the cafe Chocks Away.....I often ride over there on my motorcycle for lunch.....hopefully and see a Beluga.
Very nice retractable aircraft you have.
Great video Sir.
My son prefers to fly in the back for a variety of reasons - one of them being he's out of the camera 'spotlight' most of the time.
@@TheFlyingReporter No need to explain.
Totally paying a visit to Hardon.
Hawarden 🤭
My apologies, my puerile nature meant I couldn’t resist.
But thanks for producing this and your other videos. It’s a niche subject but you cover it very well and I’m grateful someone is taking the time to give PPLs an education on the real world use of the privileges they have, especially those with an IMC/IRR.
Enjoyed that 👍🏻
Great vid, thanks for sharing
Thanks Gary.
Yeah, living in N. Wales I can confirm that it's much more rainy than the other side of the border :(
I was expecting a backlash from the locals for that comment, but I'm pleased that it was a fair comment!
Wow, I never knew the nose wheel completely skips over the numbers at Redhill… I’m always conscious of them
A jet, good synthetic vision, good nose phased array radar and good ADS-B it should be a breeze :)
We don't have such a limited instrument rating here in Canada. Thx for the video.
Thanks Stephen, pleasure.
Excellent video as usual. How much planning time?
Gosh. I cannot remember. It’s a familiar route, so probably an hour-1.5 hours
@ Plus getting to and from airfield, preparing aircraft and wiping down and removing flies (not as many these days) after, total time nearer 4 hours? Still better and more pleasurable than a five hour drive! I spend three hours going nowhere on a short bimble from Compton Abbas in my shared Warrior plus the time preparing for the flight. Your trips to France, e.g. Disneyland, really save time though. Just taken part in an Astral Aviation talk on Human Factors and up popped your checklist - very impressive!
Thanks for the video. I would be interested to know the landing charge you had to pay. Back in 1974 when I flew into and out of Hawarden as part of my PPL cross country solo flight, I had to pay an astronomical amount.
It was very reasonable. Can’t remember exactly. About £20/£30
Having just completed my IR(R) (including an ILS approach into Hawarden airport!) this is a really interesting watch - thank you! I wondered if you could tell me how you use your GNS530 during an ILS approach, if at all? I completed my IR(R) in a Cessna with a nice touch screen GPS, but I am yet to put this into practice in my PA28 which is equipped with a GNS530. Do you set the ILS up in the PROC menu, for example? Thank you!
You can do. And then activate approach. It will autotune the ILS for you. But I just manually tuned the ILS.
As a lifelong commercial pilot, instructor, and examiner, I have thousands of hours with singles in all sorts of conditions, night and day, in various countries. Although I never had any unmanageable incident, I never felt the same level of security in a single as in a multi in IMC, at night or over water.
same here I often wonder how our forefathers felt at night returning home in WW2 with min or no instruments
@ They had no options, and many never made it back home.
Re your closing notes onscreen: Please never let the trolish comments from some 'arm chair pilots' interfere with your enjoyment of creating this content (never fear to block obvious agitators!) Your stuff is most excellent and btw - CUDOs for remaining on the IFR plan. It's excellent practice to fly these in the 'easy conditions' and you'll be happy you did on those more marginal days! Thanks as always for 'putting yourself out there.' Makes me wonder why I'm not out flying my mighty 'T-hawk PA38!' Cheers.
BTW - being 'steady' on 1/2 needle to the right, with the GS nailed like it seems it is - is far preferable to constantly s-turning down final and never 'nailing' the heading, IMO. We can be pretty sure that the wind is going to change at minimums anyway and then things may self-correct... or not. Nicely flown! (several thousand hours IFR pilot just 'sayin' ;-) ).
Thank you.
What is the cost difference? Redhill to Liverpool and back in an average car, is about £60
Great video. I live right next to Hawarden airport and I'm happy you pronounced it correctly. I work on the trains in the area and our automated announcements on the train pronounce it "HOWarrrDEN" and it drives me mad.
quick question, when approaching Hawarden, do you have any special instructions if you see a train on the approach to runway 22? I've been told that the training pilots at RAF Valley have to abort their landing if there's a conflict. (to be fair, we have special emergency signals there too that are turned on by RAF Valley tower in an emergency, there are none at Hawarden so I assume there's no special instructions.)
There are no warnings about the railway line. The approach is designed such that aircraft follow a clear and unobstructed path to the touchdown zone.
A great informative video as always, as a bonus your plane got a bit of a much need wash on approach, sorry. 🙂😆
It needs more than a light shower. I was at the airfield polishing last week. I've done one side, now need to do the other.
It’s good to keep current on the approach types too, even if not strictly needed. Gosh - you are being self critical : that was a good effort on the LOC in the crosswind I thought … and I do it for a living !!
Thanks Jonno.
Thanks for the video. Very cool. Interested in roughly how much it costs to do the trip in your aircraft? It’s certainly quicker but at what cost.
Fuel wise, the cost is about £129 each way. Landing and parking fee about £30. Cost of maintenance, engine fund insurance probably adds about another £170 per hour. So the return trip about £530.
I don’t see any reason too critique your LOC tracking, the video camera position seems to have a little parallax error. What I would ask is what happens if The GNS430 decides to fail ? The #2 KX170 is not FM immune and the ADF seems not to work. I guess in that case if hard IMC it would be the SRA or Shawbury for a PAR.
Yes. A surveillance radar approach somewhere, or divert to an airfield in VMC.
@@TheFlyingReporter a PAR is the gold standard if all you have left is a radio but only the Military have PAR now.
Another advantage of doing the approach is the chance to practice it.
Yes, that's very true.
Excellent video. Just wondering that although not shown on the video, did you have alternates if things deteroriated too much? ie below minimums for your IFR rating?
Yes. Always.
Great vid. Shame you had to put the disclaimer up. I used to post to YT but got badly trolled by some idiot after an ILS vid into Exeter - you didn't do this, I'm going to report you to the CAA etc etc. Yes, some checks, briefs etc were edited out. Maybe I'm more sensitive than you? Just do vids for my own records now. No need to beat yourself over what looked like a great approach.
Thanks.
What is the reason that your son is sitting in the back seat, when the right seat is empty? Maybe your son could be your help in the right seat. Have you tried let him fly on a sunny day? What about your son could learn some things to help monitoring things to help you flying as a second pair of eyes. What do you think about these suggestions?
He prefers to sit in the back so that he’s not on camera the entire time. He’s free back there to amuse himself. Finds it more comfortable.
Royalty always rides in the back 😤
Exactly what an IMC rating is for. I use mine similarly but fly N reg so planning FAA IR next year and then also uk IR flight test! Where are you doing your IR?
I'll be doing the practical training with Nigel at Earls Colne.
yes, absolutely would have flown on a day like that. looked fine all the way... nicely executed.
I have been flying since 1987 and I just love flying vids lol. No need to be hypercritical of yourself when actually flying VMC
I like to debrief myself Tony. Always looking to improve.
Yes.
Good man John At Hawarden
They're a great bunch at Hawarden.
Is there a cost implication for IFR approach over VFR?
Each airfield will have its own policy.
I enjoy your flights. Accomplished 10 hours ppl, then got married and agreed to stop flying!
I think it's maybe time for a reneogitation?
Think you made Jon at Hawarden's day by remembering his name
Yes, he was made up!
Did you file a flight plan?
I did.
Out of curiosity, why is your son sitting in the back? Just his preference?
Yes - he prefers it back there, out of the spotlight of the cameras most of the time. He has his own space back there to amuse himself.
if you can afford a plane, it's no wonder you find it easier to travel this way.
Northern Ireland is part of the UK. Other than that, good work.
I think on days like this is why god invented the Instrument rating and ILS approaches.
Aviation was great. Did any one tell you y0ur son is a dead ringer of the young Tom Daley! 🙂
I haven’t heard that before!
Like to know why your son is seating in the back !?
Jon's far too dangerous to fly with up front 🙂
The question has been asked before. It's his preference.
@@grahamlees4394 Thanks for the reply. C-GYAB
If there's any chance visual flight rules can't be followed then go for instrument approach/landing. Only ever regard visual as a backup whilst already on instruments. Weather is so unpredictable you must never let visual rules be primary means to land unless weather perfect and destination is clearly in sight. Trust me, I'm an expert with no flying training and no experience of flying. Just a shed load of common sense
Why does berty allways sit in the back😂
He prefers it there, away from the cameras.
Free plane wash.
Yes. I would. Bit clickbaity.
All fun and games until someone gets hurt. This is the start of a tragic ending . Glad everyone is safe BUT. With weather BE SAFE drive
While reading your headline I thought noone is forced to fly, but suddenly it's an IFR flight. I'm out...
I think you are confusing IFR with IMC. You can fly IFR in VMC.
Excellent.