WATCH THE UPDATED VERSION! ua-cam.com/video/fyH2spi4620/v-deo.html Hope you guys enjoyed this one 😅 Let me know if you'd change any rankings UPDATES: - Weapon Stats Spreadsheet added to description :) - Sweet Business is 360rpm, not 600... lack of sleep I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - I ended up moving Tommy's Matchbook many times, I think my final decision was B tier but I messed up the graphic. It could go either tier really. - Traveler's Chosen: For PC, I'd probably say S/A tier for controller and maybe B for MKB. Sidearms just don't feel great on MKB with how they shoot but it's definitely a great perk set and opens up some really cool builds
Pattycakes Gaming as a Wish Ender player, seeing this weapon in d tier makes me happy because it’s hard to manage, but it is also a really good weapon with the right gear for a hunter with the exotic gauntlets that boosts the aiming down time to unlimited. Pretty fun to use in trials And competitive on most of the maps
MrPinkpanzer i used scouts to get randy and the whole time I was getting outgunned I kept leaving someone low and they ran or they just kill me before I can kill them and randy needed 450 final blows so it was definitely a grind but if you want a scout rifle that’s actually good pick up randy from Shax if you haven’t.
My disappointment is immeasurable that Rat king isn’t S tier. Jokes aside, a good Invis build with rat king means you can flank the enemy without them knowing, it gets better when they are focusing a different direction
Insurmountable Idiot that’s why the comment said flank the enemy from behind, when invisible you cannot be seen on the radar, plus I doubt that you’ve never been killed by an invisible person unless you’ve barely played crucible
@@dayonbledsoe Being invisible already removes you from the radar. If you're getting shot at anyway, it's because you're running through their vision, since Destiny invis isn't really true invis, or you're making noise by using jump abilities.
@clement tamika no ace only does that on precision kills and it’s not as effective, plus sunshot kills will chain to other enemies. What I mean by that is that if the explosion kills an enemy, that enemy explodes into a chain of explosions. You could clear an entire group of ads with 1 bullet. Also sunshot just has insane stats.
My favorite part about Sunshot has always been that it's sights are literally fire shooting out of the top of the gun. There's even little slits where the gas or whatever shoots out of.
@Ig_needs_a_wig Numerical stats are the same, but it's affected very positively by aim assist, magnetism, etc, and it doesn't really need more stability, so it's much better on controller than M&K.
Nathan Li theres the problem: if you spin it up, you have very little time until you have no bullets. Meaning a skilled player will no the right time to spin it up, and an unskilled player will not, and will die
Symmetry is actually nuts in Gambit. Invading done easy while also having a sword for boss dps. Xeno or truth may be good, but a heavy for melting the boss is also really good.
So I appreciate the amount of effort and work put into this video. All of those segments put in so its easier for people to navigate to the different weapons. And just in general getting footage for all of the weapons too, not just random footage.
Imagine if Mida's catalyst was something like Mida Calculator: Precision hits slightly increase precision and body shot damage. Not decreasing TTK, but allowing for forgiveness.
yea it's something that all scouts need. not really a decrease is ttk, but some forgiveness and reliability. they have no place in pvp or pve right now
I would switch: - Devils Ruin C -> D - Sunshot S -> A - Suros and Hardlight S -> SS - Lumina A -> B - Malfeasance C -> B - Last Word B -> D - Outbreak Perfected B -> A - Crimson B -> C - Gravitron Lance B -> C Would love to give my reasons to all of my changes, otherwise, I think you have a great list. Some guns are easier for worse players and therefore boost their usefulness. The Last Word for example is B or A for Console but D for PC as most people struggle with its recoil and tracking. Good players can assume better control of the guns. As a mid tier player, sometimes some of the worse *statistical* weapons are also easier to use weapons. Suros and HL are both guns that have good stats and are easy to use making them much more deadly in better players hands. Thanks for reading!
first of all great content as usual, imo devils ruin in a skilled pvp players hand could be places in the A tier, let me explain: - if u precharge around a corner your laser has a .31s crit and a .43 body TTK - lets remember that in sidearm mode it has a .6s crit and a 1s body ttk (drang is better in sidearm mode but will be sunsetted) - paired with something like foe tracer/wraith hunter/khepris/antaeus it can help precharge your laser
I love scout rifles, they are my favorite weapon type. I wish they would get the adjustment they need to make them competitive. As it is I use MIDA to counter snipers all the time. The radar while scoped feature lets me hard scope lanes commonly used by snipers, and then it is just flinch city for them until they die.
Same with Jade Rabbit, it’s just a 150 scout with head seeker, except the head seeker doesn’t make the gun more forgiving. Jade’s only saving grace is that it has high aim assist, making it actually decent...but that’s not enough to be considering “exotic” and it sucks that it takes a scout being “exotic” just to be considered decent...
@@cry0genic52 jack king queen a legendary hand cannon has 96 aim assist and is a 150 midas scope is so wack that you have to learn how to aim completely differently than any other traditional primary in the game for no reward which also makes you more inconsistent if you ever decide to use another weapon also the outbreak prime has a ridiculously sticky sight that you barely need to aim with but that still isnt a viable option in pvp unless youve miraculoulsy got a lobby full of rare weapons.
These are so geeky and fun to watch. Never thought I would sit around 30 minutes and listen to someone talking about guns from a game but it is so enjoyable!
Air bender: Vigilace Wing Water bender: Hard Light Earth bender: Rat King Fire bender: Sunshot Energy bender: Riskrunner ...Bullet bender?: Skyburners Oath
I was struggling to find out which primary weapon to pair with my Feltwinters or Beloved, but this video helped me out a lot. It also bought some attention to some fun exotics that I will definitely give a try! 😁 Keep up the great work Pattycakes! 🔥🔥
I love these tier list videos, they’re all really excellent work! And since you work from a script, you don’t like, always like, say “like” all the time which makes the flow of your presentation so much more confident and coherent. 10/10
X9T Favorite? I’m into orange. To be honest I love all of them, it really just depends on your mood. Since colors can match your mood, you can pick that special crayon that makes you feel just right.
Ikr? Sweet Business definitely gets a higher ranking when paired with Actium War Rig. As I like to say, one does not simply use Sweet Business as a non-Titan.
Cerb is great, it eats shields titan barricades and glaciers for breakfast and can be used on your own stasis for various purposes. It also has negative drop off to help maintian some damage at longer ranges. When the enemy is playing super aggro or all standing on the other side of a room holding it down I like to equip it to surprise the F out of them.
This was a great list, on console I can’t really say it matches up (at least in the current sandbox). At the moment it will be EXTREMELY hard to not find someone using pulse rifles or autos like suros and gnawing hunger, they absolutely dominate. Almost every weapon i love is completely useless with the harsh recoil/flinch control and the lightning fast ttk of these meta weapons. Really bad experience for me atm
@@PattycakesGaming I know how much work goes into making these videos, and that they're sunsetting a lot of our favorite guns, but it would be awesome for a similar vid on legendaries. Or maybe just the popular ones. I showed this vid to my brother while we were playing and he loved it to. Thanks.
It makes me so happy that you put Le Monarque in the A-tier list. Its disgustingly good and has been the bane of everyone stupid enough to challenge me mid range. I cant wait for the Catalyst to come out. Im hoping the poison kills will cause another poison explosion.
Devils ruin: A-tier⬅️, fast ads, amazing hip-fire, amazing in air accuracy, amazing ttk, one of the best ranged side arms, can beat a fully charged suros and supers if beam is timed correctly. I have countless more things to say, but it’s way too underrated...
Nick Grout Ya, that I can actually agree with, mainly because of the glitch also resulting in a failed charge because of it. Glad to see someone understand it’s not just an ordinary weapon.
@Landon Martin I feel like the charge time is too slow and cancels out of sprint too sluggishly to agree. I thought it had potential on release, but now I don’t really question as to why no one often runs it. On PC at least, where Pattycakes plays, it’s not that great. If someone wants/needs a cracked sidearm, Traveler’s Chosen exists or sometimes Rat King. If someone wants a good charging one-shot weapon, Telesto and Bastion both do the job much better.
(28:57) I main Le Monarque and I rarely switch to the secondary, if they are close follow with melee, if not shoot an uncharged arrow. Once you get the timing down on how much u have to charge to do a specific amount of damage, you will be unstoppable. It's a hard weapon to pick up, but with time, if u manage to master this bow it will serve you very well at any range. To note: -you can track people through walls via the dmg numbers -I highly recommend Oathkeeper with those.
Don't tell people the secrets bro... I'm a Monarque main too and I want Bungo to not look at it and buff Oathkeepers. :D You are right with everything you are saying tho.
I feel like you didn't give wish ender fair credit for being incredibly good in a combo like fighting lion or le monarque. Paired with a good hand cannon with Quickdraw or an auto you feel comfortable aggressively pushing with like gnawing hunger, it's incredibly quick to kill and catches people very off guard
A gun that takes most of enemys health and allows a secondary weapon to finish of the enemy are always nice if your quick also I feel like him putting crimson at b is wrong cause in what situation is being able to gain back all your health in a short time isn't good I always run high kill games I ran a game were i got 40 kills were i got more then 20 of them before dying once
My hunter has extremely good PvP potential against super aggressive teams with Wish Ender. Using Oathkeeper I am able to permanently keep it held and track my targets virtually anywhere and then go for the headshot kill. I rarely get less than 20 kills a match with it, it's easy A tier at least.
Even though how much I love it for casual PVE, I can't see Sunshot in the S tier for PVP. I can tell you a fact: I've been killed many, many, many, many times with all the weapons in the S & A tier but Sunshot :-)
Human Expresso That’s only a problem until you get the catalyst, then it feels like it has the same aim assist of any average hand cannons while also having the benefits Sunshot has. It’s actually nasty.
@@martingeygan8933 Oathkeepers are much better used with Wish-Ender than Le Monarque. You definitely shouldn't be walking around with an arrow ready to fire since you compromise your mobility way too much. Wish-Ender's exotic perk is all ADS tho, so no shame in using Oathkeepers there.
With the Trinity Ghoul, any arc kill when the bow is equipped will activate the perk once you bring it out. So if you get 5 arc super kills, that gives you 5 arc shots. Get 4 more kills with 3 of those shots, now you have 6 shots. It works well in a full arc set
I'd say devil's ruin should be higher, it's essentially a sidarm fusion, the range and ttk is really good, and if your able to call your foe's advance on you the laser shuts down offense while also being an effective anti super tool if you land your head shots with the charge mode. It's a good sidearm and it's charge function helps it play a good defensive role if you can anticipate enemy pushes. Even without charging the gun is good.
Here's my suggestion to make MIDA loadout even better: change Mini Tool to a quickdraw shotgun. Faster run speed with Multi Tool paired with Mini Tool as a shotgun would be OP in pvp
In my opinion this tier list is perfect say for the fact that Tarrabah is in the B tier, requiring 2 kills worth of damage in PVP to use the perk and the perk being completely lost if you switch weapons or use super. Put it in the C tier. And how is Devil's Ruin in the C tier, its basically a hyper accurate fusion rifle in the primary slot, easily A tier.
What you fail to realize with wish ended is that you can shred with it. I usually run a last hope QuickDraw tap the trigger with it. If you have any kind of cover, anyone at medium to far range goes down easy. Anyone close and you can put one arrow in them to take half their health, and melt them with the QuickDraw. Wishender is truly powerful when you are only visible while loosing your arrow. Since you can see through walls, you can line up your shot and track your target while in cover, pop out to fire, and drop back in to cock your next arrow. If you are lucky, you can rarely get one arrow to hit someone twice and one shot body them.
If you use the charged with light mod that gives you a bunch of damage resistance after your shield breaks/red bar (its a void one I for the life of me cant remember the name of it) with Tommy's matchbook it really helps with your survivability and makes the gun a lot more practical to use in a lot more situations
One thing to note about cerberus is it has reverse damage drop off. If you watch the clips you were doing more damage the further away the target was to you, somethin neat to keep in mind but still not an amazing gun. Catalyst also breaks that reverse dropoff
Hey, when you do special weapons and take a look at Trace Rifles - I want to make a note on Prometheus Lens The Current iteration of the Massive spreadsheet has incorrect info for Len's damage output, it's far higher than what it shows in there. It's TTK is in the realm of ~0.67 on all crits, might be even faster than that. It's by far the most lethal trace rifle out there because of this.
Riskrunner: As a riskrunner main i gotta say you nailed the tier here. Used correctly and with smart thinking this is definitely a S tier. Otherwise I gotta say it’s like a A/A+
My top 3 weapons: vigilance wing. Great to just chill. Risk runner. Haven't used it in a while, but dam it was fun. Huckleberry. Not as good as the above(fun wise) but a partial reload on a kill has saved me a lot in 2v1/3v1 situations.
as guy with tarrabah being my most used primary wep in pvp, with 4k crucible kills on it, and being an smg lover in general, im glad where you placed it and although i think i use it to another higher level due to my experience with it and smgs, you placed it where it should be. everybody talks about a catalyst that would let you keep progress no matter what, but that would genuinely make it the best weapon in the game and bungie knows this. i personally would enjoy a catalyst that either bumps the reload up immensely, or one that makes it so you dont hav to reload during rav beast. it would keep it balanced but make it more worth using to the average player. you also did not mention an important aspect, and that is that it does not charge by damage numbers, but rather damage ticks. even if you are hitting 8 damage from across the map, it is charging the same amount as it would up close. this is part of the reason i think it is a fantastic option in competitive. a smart player can win a 1v3 by being passive and charging rav beast from distance, and then switch to aggressive with the perk and shred any team. it is truly my fave weapon in the game and i think you represebted it pretty nicely rather than calling it terrible like most ppl. great vid overall, keep up the good work!
lmao Wishender is super underrated. It was my main weapon while I completed the unbroken seal. Solo freelance, no communication with my team either. It's borderline op paired with a invisibility build.
WATCH THE UPDATED VERSION! ua-cam.com/video/fyH2spi4620/v-deo.html
Hope you guys enjoyed this one 😅 Let me know if you'd change any rankings
UPDATES:
- Weapon Stats Spreadsheet added to description :)
- Sweet Business is 360rpm, not 600... lack of sleep I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- I ended up moving Tommy's Matchbook many times, I think my final decision was B tier but I messed up the graphic. It could go either tier really.
- Traveler's Chosen: For PC, I'd probably say S/A tier for controller and maybe B for MKB. Sidearms just don't feel great on MKB with how they shoot but it's definitely a great perk set and opens up some really cool builds
Obviously haven't seen it full, but thx mate, really needed this
IMO, I wouldn’t consider how an ornament changes the weapon sight for ranking for vigilance wing
I am new to Destiny 2 so this actually helped me a lot thank you
Dr Genius he didn’t. He simply stated the ornament is clean.
Pattycakes Gaming as a Wish Ender player, seeing this weapon in d tier makes me happy because it’s hard to manage, but it is also a really good weapon with the right gear for a hunter with the exotic gauntlets that boosts the aiming down time to unlimited. Pretty fun to use in trials And competitive on most of the maps
I figure it should be mentioned but one of the reasons outbreak feels really nice is because it has a hidden rodeo/dynamic sway reduction perk.
its persistence
you are the superior weapon 😙
I need u rn
That’s a myth, it does not have dynamic sway reduction.
@@115zombies935 it has persistence which is d1s dynamic sway so it def does
Not a single scout made it above C. I'm not saying you're wrong, but as a scout guy, it's painful to see.
I know I really wanted to put Polaris higher. I love that weapon but scouts just don’t feel great to me rn
MrPinkpanzer i used scouts to get randy and the whole time I was getting outgunned I kept leaving someone low and they ran or they just kill me before I can kill them and randy needed 450 final blows so it was definitely a grind but if you want a scout rifle that’s actually good pick up randy from Shax if you haven’t.
Xbox games are Expensive its insane i used frostmires hex (same archetype as randys)
The real deal quick sell teal Neal ! Yeah I just got mine like a couple days ago but I love it I don’t know if I can use it instead of arbalest though
My confusion was why he placed jade rabbit above mida
skyburners oath: it's hidden perk is The Funny™
i think it needs its own tire
How did you get the tm
Archie the Bat
Hold Alt and then type ”0153” on the numpad
Lmao I just got that two days ago an I was excited
I thought I was trippin when I seen it
"im gonna put this gun under b tier"
*places tommys matchbook in a tier*
Haha guess it’s just too fun for B tier
@@PattycakesGaming its basically touch of malice but as a auto rifle. I love running up on ppl with it in rumble and sometimes trials if i feel risky
@@PattycakesGaming it also has almost if not perfect hipfire accuracy. Making it amazing for hipfire in PvP.
Looked for this comment.
What was the TTK of it again?
Calling it now, Traveler’s Chosen is gonna be S tier when it comes out. The broken common version is A+ tier as is. 😉
Lol the broken one is actually pretty good, I think the exotic could be strong
I used it on controller I hate it
The range listed on light.gg is even bigger than Breachlight's, I think it will probably be around 18-20 meters
As I said, more range than The Last Word, perfect replacement.
So Is basicaly every side arm but there legendary
“Hybrid of a pulse rifle and a hand cannon”
Me: pulse cannon
Hand rifle
Fireblade A31 pulse hand
@@randomdude2031 that name belongs to the thing you do before bed.
Hand rifle RIFLE HAND
@@orang7846 wait
My disappointment is immeasurable that Rat king isn’t S tier. Jokes aside, a good Invis build with rat king means you can flank the enemy without them knowing, it gets better when they are focusing a different direction
Invisible in destiny is not invisible. Never have i been killed by an invisible person because i can literally see them coming
My disappointment is immeasurable that he used Gnawing Hunger
Insurmountable Idiot that’s why the comment said flank the enemy from behind, when invisible you cannot be seen on the radar, plus I doubt that you’ve never been killed by an invisible person unless you’ve barely played crucible
@@insurmountableidiot9191 exactlyyyy they needa at least take radar off to add a boost to it so ppl can’t see u on the radar
@@dayonbledsoe Being invisible already removes you from the radar. If you're getting shot at anyway, it's because you're running through their vision, since Destiny invis isn't really true invis, or you're making noise by using jump abilities.
Finally someone talks about how good Sunshot is.
Yeah
@clement tamika no ace only does that on precision kills and it’s not as effective, plus sunshot kills will chain to other enemies. What I mean by that is that if the explosion kills an enemy, that enemy explodes into a chain of explosions. You could clear an entire group of ads with 1 bullet. Also sunshot just has insane stats.
The explosion only happens on precision final hits and is much smaller. Sunshot also basically has explosive payload with more explode
@clement tamika he didn’t mention the insane flinch you get when shot by the sun shot
Pattycakes: this gun has a .76 ttk which is pretty average
Also pattycakes: lumina has a fast ttk of .8 seconds
Me: hold on what?
Yeah only high impact pulses, vigilance and adaptive autos get below 8 with good range. Side arms and smgs do as well but their range lacks.
I presume it's fast because it's a hand cannon. They don't have the greatest fire rate in comparison to other weapons.
Feels real bad seeing you destroy me with Skyburner's! That is such a good map for the gun, but unfortunately it just isnt good anywhere else.
Haha it's so fun to use but not really that strong IMO. Fun playing you :)
9:51 LMAOOOO LOOK AT THAT GUARDIAN FLY
😂😂😂
How tf did I not notice that 😂😂😂
My boi got yeeted
_"It's time to go, my planet needs me."_
My favorite part about Sunshot has always been that it's sights are literally fire shooting out of the top of the gun. There's even little slits where the gas or whatever shoots out of.
"Placing Tommy's matchbook in B tier"
Icon appears in A tier.
Guess you were really tired editing the video at the end! :)
Haha yeah I moved it back and forth so many times, guess it’s a B+/A- officially :)
They did my boy Last Word dirty this game, I’ll never forget you D1 Last Word
I know. He disrespected last word.
Me too. Last Word is my baby. They massacred my boy :(
B tier isn’t bad
On console it's a beast. Deserves more than B.
@Ig_needs_a_wig Numerical stats are the same, but it's affected very positively by aim assist, magnetism, etc, and it doesn't really need more stability, so it's much better on controller than M&K.
Imo The Last Word on console is incredible if you are decent with hitting headshots
Sturm has essentially just been handicapped because Drang isn’t getting a new version and it’s only good when paired with Drang.
They should have made Drang Exotic as well and have it be the only gun combo where you could equip 2 exotics at the same time.
@@DeLawrence97 or they couldve just not sunset at all
@@DeLawrence97 tru
@@r0la447 Or that, yeah.
Good thing most PvP doesn't require high light levels
Fighting Lion S Tier or we riot
Is it really you?
I actually had it A tier for a while but decided to bump it down to like a B++
@@PattycakesGaming Bump it down? ....
@@anonuser4806 He means that he put it as A tier but later decided to bump it down (lower it's position) down to B++
It has such a high skill ceiling. A inexperienced user won’t get anything out of it, but a skilled user can dominate. Hard to rank for sure
I used exclusively Fighting Lion with a shotgun and this got me the Flawless title on Anomaly so personally I rank it S tier!
r/fightinglion represent!
@@nickgrout2502 FLGANG
“In the hands of a talented player”
*EVERY BOT SPAMS SUROS IN CRUCIBLE WHAT DO YOU MEAN*
Bruh suros is way too good. It's literally pre nerf recluse at this point
Suros go brrrrrrrrrrr
A half decent player on pc will know how to punish an unskilled player spinning up a suros
@@Jay-lz2wc yeah but the ttk if they spin it up is still insane
Nathan Li theres the problem: if you spin it up, you have very little time until you have no bullets. Meaning a skilled player will no the right time to spin it up, and an unskilled player will not, and will die
Symmetry is actually nuts in Gambit. Invading done easy while also having a sword for boss dps. Xeno or truth may be good, but a heavy for melting the boss is also really good.
This was all very well thought through. Well done.
I swear to god when you do specials and Telesto isn't S tier....
S+++ tier for breaking the game
13:36 If you don’t know, momento Mori means “remember death” in Latin.
Unnus Annus
Felt that
remember you are mortal more literally i think
So I appreciate the amount of effort and work put into this video. All of those segments put in so its easier for people to navigate to the different weapons. And just in general getting footage for all of the weapons too, not just random footage.
Imagine if Mida's catalyst was something like Mida Calculator: Precision hits slightly increase precision and body shot damage. Not decreasing TTK, but allowing for forgiveness.
yea it's something that all scouts need. not really a decrease is ttk, but some forgiveness and reliability. they have no place in pvp or pve right now
Man predicted dead mans tale lmao
I would switch:
- Devils Ruin C -> D
- Sunshot S -> A
- Suros and Hardlight S -> SS
- Lumina A -> B
- Malfeasance C -> B
- Last Word B -> D
- Outbreak Perfected B -> A
- Crimson B -> C
- Gravitron Lance B -> C
Would love to give my reasons to all of my changes, otherwise, I think you have a great list. Some guns are easier for worse players and therefore boost their usefulness. The Last Word for example is B or A for Console but D for PC as most people struggle with its recoil and tracking. Good players can assume better control of the guns. As a mid tier player, sometimes some of the worse *statistical* weapons are also easier to use weapons. Suros and HL are both guns that have good stats and are easy to use making them much more deadly in better players hands.
Thanks for reading!
first of all great content as usual, imo devils ruin in a skilled pvp players hand could be places in the A tier, let me explain:
- if u precharge around a corner your laser has a .31s crit and a .43 body TTK
- lets remember that in sidearm mode it has a .6s crit and a 1s body ttk (drang is better in sidearm mode but will be sunsetted)
- paired with something like foe tracer/wraith hunter/khepris/antaeus it can help precharge your laser
Nice video! Agree with most of the ranks. Looking forward to the special ammo edition :D
I'm so early that I needed to buy dlcs too continue to watch it
i got matched with a malfeasance 6 stack in IB this week. It was rough.
Oof
9:50
So that’s how the perk “Spinning up” works?
Haha it's the hidden feature
I love scout rifles, they are my favorite weapon type. I wish they would get the adjustment they need to make them competitive. As it is I use MIDA to counter snipers all the time. The radar while scoped feature lets me hard scope lanes commonly used by snipers, and then it is just flinch city for them until they die.
Mida multi tool might as well be a legendary its literally just a lightweight frame with third eye and it still doesnt have high cal back
Same with Jade Rabbit, it’s just a 150 scout with head seeker, except the head seeker doesn’t make the gun more forgiving. Jade’s only saving grace is that it has high aim assist, making it actually decent...but that’s not enough to be considering “exotic” and it sucks that it takes a scout being “exotic” just to be considered decent...
Mida best gun in the game imo
@@cry0genic52 jack king queen a legendary hand cannon has 96 aim assist and is a 150 midas scope is so wack that you have to learn how to aim completely differently than any other traditional primary in the game for no reward which also makes you more inconsistent if you ever decide to use another weapon also the outbreak prime has a ridiculously sticky sight that you barely need to aim with but that still isnt a viable option in pvp unless youve miraculoulsy got a lobby full of rare weapons.
It is definitely a relic of dual primaries, but the perk is actually better than the usual lightweight buff. +15% movement speed vs +10% iirc.
Im just going to drop that Im kinda glad to see Mida as a shell of its former self...that gun made my life hell back in D1
These are so geeky and fun to watch. Never thought I would sit around 30 minutes and listen to someone talking about guns from a game but it is so enjoyable!
Haha thanks!
Air bender: Vigilace Wing
Water bender: Hard Light
Earth bender: Rat King
Fire bender: Sunshot
Energy bender: Riskrunner
...Bullet bender?: Skyburners Oath
Lol
Knife bender: monte carlo
I was struggling to find out which primary weapon to pair with my Feltwinters or Beloved, but this video helped me out a lot. It also bought some attention to some fun exotics that I will definitely give a try! 😁 Keep up the great work Pattycakes! 🔥🔥
>uploaded a day before new exotic quest
Drifter: “OOH, stinger!”
well, the ruinous effigy is a special, so it wouldnt be in this video either way
I love these tier list videos, they’re all really excellent work! And since you work from a script, you don’t like, always like, say “like” all the time which makes the flow of your presentation so much more confident and coherent. 10/10
Thanks!
I'm one of your favorite exotics thats sweet! But lets be honest I'm S++ tier
I just don't want everyone to know how secretly OP you are 🤗
@@PattycakesGaming yeah it's best to be kept a secret so bungie doesn't find out... I don't want to be nerfed
Hmm🤔
Wow a risk runner Ur cool but I'm a bow guy
In the right build this weapons unmatched. I use to run it on warlock and shred during the dreaded recluse days.
I’ve been looking for good exotic primaries for Trials, and I found this video very helpful!
21:36 "Defeated Mara Sov's Cheeks" - Destiny 2 - Pattycakes
You could say that he clapped them...
@@nickgrout2502 But did the helmet stay on?
Bruh
This is some quality background gameplay! Great video
1:47
Me, a crayon addicted Titan: *Well duh, you aren’t shooting enough bullets. That’s why you got killed.*
Favorite crayon?
I like the purple ones
X9T
Favorite? I’m into orange.
To be honest I love all of them, it really just depends on your mood. Since colors can match your mood, you can pick that special crayon that makes you feel just right.
Personally, when I play titan I tend to favor the magenta colored crayons
*moar boolet!*
Ikr? Sweet Business definitely gets a higher ranking when paired with Actium War Rig. As I like to say, one does not simply use Sweet Business as a non-Titan.
This is a great and helpful video, I can tell you put a lot of work into it, keep up the good work
Thanks!
Put literally all of my favorites in c tier. Jade Rabbit, Cerberus, Graviton, Polaris, Symmetry, AND Trinity Ghoul
Lol uhhh sorry about that :)
I flipping main Cerberus man you have no idea how much that hurt and I'm not sure if patty knows about the reverse range drop off 😢
@@Chementani not sure if they know either. It's lots of fun to use and is extremely consistent.
@@PattycakesGaming Btw WDYM only good in 6v6? I got to 5500 in comp with that thing a while back
Cerb is great, it eats shields titan barricades and glaciers for breakfast and can be used on your own stasis for various purposes. It also has negative drop off to help maintian some damage at longer ranges. When the enemy is playing super aggro or all standing on the other side of a room holding it down I like to equip it to surprise the F out of them.
22.7k subscribers does not properly portray the love you should get. All of your videos are amazing. Keep up the great work!!!!
This was a great list, on console I can’t really say it matches up (at least in the current sandbox). At the moment it will be EXTREMELY hard to not find someone using pulse rifles or autos like suros and gnawing hunger, they absolutely dominate. Almost every weapon i love is completely useless with the harsh recoil/flinch control and the lightning fast ttk of these meta weapons. Really bad experience for me atm
I use bastion and destroy
On console, the last word is S tier. I’m playing TLW with beloved, it is amazing
I stull have nightmares about gnawing hunger
*still
@@flor4033 agreed
Just bought sunshot because of your review.
It manages to become my favorite weapon for pvE.
Totally overpower.
Malfeasance basically sounds like the needle rifle from Reach. Chain shots onto a target and they explode
The needler was the same way except it shoots like a Smg (depending on what Halo game you’re playing)
There are so many underrated UA-camrs out there
At 19:05 you buffed your team mate with noble round and then he died :( then he way you looked at his ghost made me laugh so hard
Fantastic video! Thanks for the effort. It really helps players like me see which exotics are considered "the best" in PVP, and why. Very well done.
Glad I could help!
@@PattycakesGaming I know how much work goes into making these videos, and that they're sunsetting a lot of our favorite guns, but it would be awesome for a similar vid on legendaries. Or maybe just the popular ones. I showed this vid to my brother while we were playing and he loved it to. Thanks.
On console Crimson is S tier due to zero recoil and ease of use
Same with malfeasance imo
Yeah, I was surprised to see it so low....and sunshot so high.
Was gonna say. It’s my most used PvP weapon with over 13k pvp kills. It’s definitely S tier on console, easily one of the best crucible weapons ATM
It makes me so happy that you put Le Monarque in the A-tier list. Its disgustingly good and has been the bane of everyone stupid enough to challenge me mid range.
I cant wait for the Catalyst to come out. Im hoping the poison kills will cause another poison explosion.
Devils ruin: A-tier⬅️, fast ads, amazing hip-fire, amazing in air accuracy, amazing ttk, one of the best ranged side arms, can beat a fully charged suros and supers if beam is timed correctly. I have countless more things to say, but it’s way too underrated...
Honestly the only thing holding DR back is the funky feel of having it fire when you release the trigger
Nick Grout Ya, that I can actually agree with, mainly because of the glitch also resulting in a failed charge because of it. Glad to see someone understand it’s not just an ordinary weapon.
@Landon Martin I feel like the charge time is too slow and cancels out of sprint too sluggishly to agree.
I thought it had potential on release, but now I don’t really question as to why no one often runs it.
On PC at least, where Pattycakes plays, it’s not that great. If someone wants/needs a cracked sidearm, Traveler’s Chosen exists or sometimes Rat King. If someone wants a good charging one-shot weapon, Telesto and Bastion both do the job much better.
(28:57) I main Le Monarque and I rarely switch to the secondary, if they are close follow with melee, if not shoot an uncharged arrow. Once you get the timing down on how much u have to charge to do a specific amount of damage, you will be unstoppable. It's a hard weapon to pick up, but with time, if u manage to master this bow it will serve you very well at any range.
To note:
-you can track people through walls via the dmg numbers
-I highly recommend Oathkeeper with those.
Don't tell people the secrets bro... I'm a Monarque main too and I want Bungo to not look at it and buff Oathkeepers. :D
You are right with everything you are saying tho.
I feel like you didn't give wish ender fair credit for being incredibly good in a combo like fighting lion or le monarque. Paired with a good hand cannon with Quickdraw or an auto you feel comfortable aggressively pushing with like gnawing hunger, it's incredibly quick to kill and catches people very off guard
A gun that takes most of enemys health and allows a secondary weapon to finish of the enemy are always nice if your quick also I feel like him putting crimson at b is wrong cause in what situation is being able to gain back all your health in a short time isn't good I always run high kill games I ran a game were i got 40 kills were i got more then 20 of them before dying once
My hunter has extremely good PvP potential against super aggressive teams with Wish Ender. Using Oathkeeper I am able to permanently keep it held and track my targets virtually anywhere and then go for the headshot kill.
I rarely get less than 20 kills a match with it, it's easy A tier at least.
I'm just getting back into d2 so this helps me figure out which guns to use in pvp honestly.
Even though how much I love it for casual PVE, I can't see Sunshot in the S tier for PVP. I can tell you a fact: I've been killed many, many, many, many times with all the weapons in the S & A tier but Sunshot :-)
If you don't like aiming due to sunshot low aim assist people don't want to use it trust me at the monster in the right hands
Human Expresso That’s only a problem until you get the catalyst, then it feels like it has the same aim assist of any average hand cannons while also having the benefits Sunshot has. It’s actually nasty.
Even on consoles the low aim assist is barely a problem. I never even felt any difference between sunshot or the spare rations.
finally someone who actually sees the worth of exotics ingame, probably the most accurate tier list ive seen so far
Thanks!
Came here to hear about Le Monarque, left with a big grin on my face
I like how they completely overlooked how Oathkeeper works with Mona's poison
@@martingeygan8933 Oathkeepers are much better used with Wish-Ender than Le Monarque. You definitely shouldn't be walking around with an arrow ready to fire since you compromise your mobility way too much. Wish-Ender's exotic perk is all ADS tho, so no shame in using Oathkeepers there.
With the Trinity Ghoul, any arc kill when the bow is equipped will activate the perk once you bring it out. So if you get 5 arc super kills, that gives you 5 arc shots. Get 4 more kills with 3 of those shots, now you have 6 shots. It works well in a full arc set
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Hmm, kinda sounds like a certain Covenant weapon...
I like how I start watching you for advice then immediately after try some stuff in crucible only to get into a match with you
I clicked expecting Cammycakes...
But y'know what, this is alright.
Geez extent vid surprised you had the determination to go so In-depth on everything. Props to you!
Your voice is so relaxing. Aaaaaaahhhhh....
Agreed! Patty is like the Ira Glass of Destiny. “All Things Destiny Considered” or “This Destiny Life”
I'd say devil's ruin should be higher, it's essentially a sidarm fusion, the range and ttk is really good, and if your able to call your foe's advance on you the laser shuts down offense while also being an effective anti super tool if you land your head shots with the charge mode. It's a good sidearm and it's charge function helps it play a good defensive role if you can anticipate enemy pushes. Even without charging the gun is good.
Last word is extremely strong on console. It should be A or S
Agreed.
Here's my suggestion to make MIDA loadout even better: change Mini Tool to a quickdraw shotgun. Faster run speed with Multi Tool paired with Mini Tool as a shotgun would be OP in pvp
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Defeated: "mara sov's juicy thighs"
I cannot.
Bruh I love you now just because you put sunshot in s tier. It's been my favorite weapon since the release too 🥰🥰🥰
157 thumbs down? some people hate life.. Great video Patty! keep up the good work
In my opinion this tier list is perfect say for the fact that Tarrabah is in the B tier, requiring 2 kills worth of damage in PVP to use the perk and the perk being completely lost if you switch weapons or use super. Put it in the C tier. And how is Devil's Ruin in the C tier, its basically a hyper accurate fusion rifle in the primary slot, easily A tier.
Thank you for making it clear that your list is PVP driven
What you fail to realize with wish ended is that you can shred with it. I usually run a last hope QuickDraw tap the trigger with it. If you have any kind of cover, anyone at medium to far range goes down easy. Anyone close and you can put one arrow in them to take half their health, and melt them with the QuickDraw. Wishender is truly powerful when you are only visible while loosing your arrow. Since you can see through walls, you can line up your shot and track your target while in cover, pop out to fire, and drop back in to cock your next arrow. If you are lucky, you can rarely get one arrow to hit someone twice and one shot body them.
Thanks for doing all the hard work PattyCakes! 😊
When you pair the mida multi with the mini , the mini is just nasty. very lethal combo.
If you use the charged with light mod that gives you a bunch of damage resistance after your shield breaks/red bar (its a void one I for the life of me cant remember the name of it) with Tommy's matchbook it really helps with your survivability and makes the gun a lot more practical to use in a lot more situations
Its a nice surprise when you find someone using Sturm and drang because it's a combo that's never used anymore
As always bro. Great video. Keep them coming.
One thing to note about cerberus is it has reverse damage drop off. If you watch the clips you were doing more damage the further away the target was to you, somethin neat to keep in mind but still not an amazing gun. Catalyst also breaks that reverse dropoff
Hey, when you do special weapons and take a look at Trace Rifles - I want to make a note on Prometheus Lens
The Current iteration of the Massive spreadsheet has incorrect info for Len's damage output, it's far higher than what it shows in there. It's TTK is in the realm of ~0.67 on all crits, might be even faster than that. It's by far the most lethal trace rifle out there because of this.
Riskrunner: As a riskrunner main i gotta say you nailed the tier here. Used correctly and with smart thinking this is definitely a S tier. Otherwise I gotta say it’s like a A/A+
Thank you for all the hard work and fantastic information. One of my new favorite YT'ers. Subbed.
Thanks!
Brand new player so thank you for the awesome video!!
Glad you found it helpful - what other kinds of videos would you like to see?
My top 3 weapons:
vigilance wing. Great to just chill.
Risk runner. Haven't used it in a while, but dam it was fun.
Huckleberry. Not as good as the above(fun wise) but a partial reload on a kill has saved me a lot in 2v1/3v1 situations.
Fun fact : Ace can 3 body someone with memento mori active, this works up until 6 res, after that its 1c 2b
Seriously well put together video
This is an amazing review bud. Keep it up!
The monte carlo was my first ever exotic back in Destiny 1!
Crimson makes up for a bit of those downsides with how much it flinches people. The healing is also OD.
I appreciate this kind of content, I’m subbing!
Thanks! :)
as guy with tarrabah being my most used primary wep in pvp, with 4k crucible kills on it, and being an smg lover in general, im glad where you placed it and although i think i use it to another higher level due to my experience with it and smgs, you placed it where it should be. everybody talks about a catalyst that would let you keep progress no matter what, but that would genuinely make it the best weapon in the game and bungie knows this. i personally would enjoy a catalyst that either bumps the reload up immensely, or one that makes it so you dont hav to reload during rav beast. it would keep it balanced but make it more worth using to the average player. you also did not mention an important aspect, and that is that it does not charge by damage numbers, but rather damage ticks. even if you are hitting 8 damage from across the map, it is charging the same amount as it would up close. this is part of the reason i think it is a fantastic option in competitive. a smart player can win a 1v3 by being passive and charging rav beast from distance, and then switch to aggressive with the perk and shred any team. it is truly my fave weapon in the game and i think you represebted it pretty nicely rather than calling it terrible like most ppl. great vid overall, keep up the good work!
Thanks! I agree it would be way too strong if it didn't lose progress. It kills so fast with rav beast active
lmao Wishender is super underrated. It was my main weapon while I completed the unbroken seal. Solo freelance, no communication with my team either. It's borderline op paired with a invisibility build.
Excited waiting the next vidéo ! 😝
So much work put into this thank you!!
Great video. This was the first of your videos I have seen. SUB!
wishender and igneous (snap shot and quick draw) with a bow helm mod + revenant makes this one of the strongest flank loadouts
This channel is such a hidden gem 💎
Thank you :)