Just did rear riser landing on my 130th jump because of broken left steering line. I did full control check with rear risers as soon as the steering line broke, then I decided to land with it. I was sliding in my final and did not get any injuries. I was so glad that I took B license canopy course so I knew how to play with it. A lot people not even touch their risers, I think it definitely is a necessary skill to learn. For me, I just avoided one unnecessary cutaway and survived without hurting myself. I am happy with it!
I assume that Brian is talking about a fully intact canopy - not a canopy with a broken steering line. Landing on rear risers with a broken steering line is not at all the same. So much so that I will NEVER do it again. If you break a steering line it's Reserve time - that's why you wear one. (exception - large slow "student" canopies - they fly pretty well still)
Once the other brake is released to allow the canopy to fly straight, I have seen no difference at all. If the brake lines are too short, there will still be asymmetrical input on the tail when one brake is severed, of course, but without input in full flight, it is a mechanically identical situation. What are you proposing is the difference, scientifically speaking? The only way brakes effect the flight is if they are loading the tail. We don't hang off our brake lines, and they are not necessary for stable flight, or rear riser flares. Your premise is incorrect unless the brakes are actually pulling the tail down in full flight, which they should not be. If they are, your brake lines need to be made a little longer by a rigger so you can front risers the canopy without tail input.
I do acknowledge your greater expertise in all things canopy, but I have also had several flights with a broken steering line (I used to jump my canopies until they fell apart), and the old "broken steering line? just use your rear risers" does not seem to be safe. If you have plenty of height to practice the landing then perhaps give it a go, but my personal experience is "My canopy is broken, I will now use the other one that I carry FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE". Over the years I have seen and heard far too many people who are AFRAID to use their reserve - including things like "It's my last parachute" - they are worried that their reserve will also fail. I jump my reserve EVERY JUMP - just that sometimes I don't unpack it. Too many jumpers don't have that mindset. Thank you for your wonderful and continuing education - we all learn something, even dinosaurs like myself. (I started in 1984). Blue skies.
@@77gravity you have me by two years (1986). Yep, proud to be dinosaurs in a sport in which survival is proof that you know pretty much what you are talking about. I agree that people need to enjoy their reserve rides and not avoid chopping when it is the right thing to do. I have 13 reserve rides myself, and I can say, it is not a big deal, but landing a malfunction is a very big deal. I have done both. That said, with learning, training and rehearsal, landing on rears is something modern canopies can do surprisingly well. Old ones, on the other hand, F-111 and ragged out, or if you have not worked on this skill,, I say enjoy that fresh one on your back. There is a time and a season for all things.
Thank you!!!
Just did rear riser landing on my 130th jump because of broken left steering line. I did full control check with rear risers as soon as the steering line broke, then I decided to land with it. I was sliding in my final and did not get any injuries. I was so glad that I took B license canopy course so I knew how to play with it. A lot people not even touch their risers, I think it definitely is a necessary skill to learn. For me, I just avoided one unnecessary cutaway and survived without hurting myself. I am happy with it!
amazing photage at the end. what a beautiful family
Think you Brian for all the great informative videos and bringing us all into your life! Currently enjoying your book as well!
Thank you
Hy Brian. What kind/size/manufacturer risers are you useing?
I use a wide variety of risers. I prefer 21-23 inch, personally.
I assume that Brian is talking about a fully intact canopy - not a canopy with a broken steering line.
Landing on rear risers with a broken steering line is not at all the same. So much so that I will NEVER do it again.
If you break a steering line it's Reserve time - that's why you wear one.
(exception - large slow "student" canopies - they fly pretty well still)
Once the other brake is released to allow the canopy to fly straight, I have seen no difference at all. If the brake lines are too short, there will still be asymmetrical input on the tail when one brake is severed, of course, but without input in full flight, it is a mechanically identical situation. What are you proposing is the difference, scientifically speaking? The only way brakes effect the flight is if they are loading the tail. We don't hang off our brake lines, and they are not necessary for stable flight, or rear riser flares. Your premise is incorrect unless the brakes are actually pulling the tail down in full flight, which they should not be. If they are, your brake lines need to be made a little longer by a rigger so you can front risers the canopy without tail input.
I do acknowledge your greater expertise in all things canopy, but I have also had several flights with a broken steering line (I used to jump my canopies until they fell apart), and the old "broken steering line? just use your rear risers" does not seem to be safe. If you have plenty of height to practice the landing then perhaps give it a go, but my personal experience is "My canopy is broken, I will now use the other one that I carry FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE".
Over the years I have seen and heard far too many people who are AFRAID to use their reserve - including things like "It's my last parachute" - they are worried that their reserve will also fail.
I jump my reserve EVERY JUMP - just that sometimes I don't unpack it. Too many jumpers don't have that mindset.
Thank you for your wonderful and continuing education - we all learn something, even dinosaurs like myself. (I started in 1984).
Blue skies.
@@77gravity you have me by two years (1986). Yep, proud to be dinosaurs in a sport in which survival is proof that you know pretty much what you are talking about. I agree that people need to enjoy their reserve rides and not avoid chopping when it is the right thing to do. I have 13 reserve rides myself, and I can say, it is not a big deal, but landing a malfunction is a very big deal. I have done both. That said, with learning, training and rehearsal, landing on rears is something modern canopies can do surprisingly well. Old ones, on the other hand, F-111 and ragged out, or if you have not worked on this skill,, I say enjoy that fresh one on your back. There is a time and a season for all things.