This will destroy AI Art and everything about it!
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- Things aren't looking good for AI Art companies, and these reasons will cause it to collapse. Learn how every threat to AI Art right now will end AI Art as we know it in the near future, which is a great thing for all artists.
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00:00 AI Art is destroying schools and art education
I saw an article a few days ago that AI companies are costing $300million to run, but have only made $20-30mil. That's hundreds of millions of $ that has just vanished. They've managed to convince investors to invest in them, yet their market are people that *dont* want to pay for art or the artists that create it. Just imagine if that money was invested in actual artists and their craft
Edit: I actually got the numbers wrong from memory (I initially read it shortly after waking up). They've had $330bil invested over the past 3 years, spend $2bil to run while making $150-200mil.
I'm no economist, but when the output is worth less than your subscription then I think you have an unsustainable business model....
It’s kinda like the gold rush phenomenon. The only people who are making money are the ones selling these ais. Sell the shovels.
@@poptear6426 yep. kinds like music instrument business. musicians are not making money only instrument builders.
I figure as much. no why it could sustainable because generate kind of images requires a large data base or power search engine.
People are also overlooking the environmental harm of implementing these large models, which takes a lot of energy that is emitting a lot of carbon dioxide. To say we are going to reach AGI in as little as one year is wishful thinking when there’s way too many problems and factors to consider in technological advancements.
Im not an artist (yet) but funnily enough, I used to use AI art but got frustrated with how little control I had over it and decided to learn art.
great to hear! learning art as a skill will gain you so many other skils on the way, such as patience, color coordination, creativity
not to mention it's really fun to draw as you listen to music or a podcast.. etc
good luck!
as someone who likes to draw i love this comment
Yeah tbh same. I used StableDiffusion for a while just seeing what i could generate and what limits it had and i hit a wall much faster then i thought. At best i will still use it for references and inspiration on off days but at worst i will just... Not. Need it really lol.
top tier comment the art community is no longer mad at you
trust me,learning art will be much more satisfying in the long run, it will be rough at first but please dont give up, art has no boundaries,no rules, we are in an age with millions of art references, art tutorials and dedicated art channels, you got this
I just dropped 50+$ on a commission from an online friend. Her art is infinitely better than anything an AI could hope to make. I will always put more value on human effort and creativity than AI dreck pumped out by "idea guy" tech bros.
Same, I paid an artist for a lil goofy pfp for $15 bucks. What I got made me flabbergasted AF because it was so goo I had to pay more. Like, I’m not kidding when I say I had a meltdown because of that.
I'd rather support Artists who put, blood, sweat & tears into their craft than some idea typing words in a software that just copies what it stole.
AI Art is so overhyped that, it just doesn't feel as scary as it they make it out to be.
The Art Mentor has exposed a lot of the dark secrets of AI Art, that Tech bros don't want us to know.
They are scared shit in their pants lol :P
@@amrishpatel3501As an artist, I do not put blood, sweat or tears into my art. That'd be unhygienic.
@@callyral as an artist if putting sweat onto art made it better then i'd be running on a treadmill
50$ ??? Most art comms I get are 200$ ++
28:05: I love how in their insane desire to avoid paying actual artists, they end up spending a lot more money on AI "tools", than they would ever have to pay per month it they just learned how to draw properly, or even just bought comission art.
Hell, do you know how much money I had to spend to learn to draw up until that point? to get to my, admitedly not great, but decent and clearly improving skill level? ZERO! ZERO F..ING DOLLARS! I didn't pay for any course, I didn't buy any tools or programs, I just made art, and learned from free online tutorials.
Yeah I started out learning to draw on notebook paper with 2b pencils in class. I didn’t spend a penny on it. Sure someone bought the supplies but I didn’t spend a cent. And I haven’t spent money on my art since I got my iPad and stylus because i don’t need to replace it like I do with paper and pencils (hence why I’m still doing digital so much). Art doesn’t have to be expensive. And people forget that.
Same. Now I teach art.
it's always ironic that AI bros complain about how "art is gatekeeping by gatekeepers" mean while they afford absolute privilege with massive rigs most people will never own, access to technology most of the world doesn't have, yet also have the same exact UA-cam that teaches us art, isn't it?
I learn better from books but the amount I have spent in art book is less than 100 and only once
the day I quit worrying about AI art: I'm working on a book cover commission, sketched it out, dropping in color, it's pretty far along... Client says: Hey can you change up the mouth slightly??? Bit more like
I said: Sure, easy change...
and at that moment I knew AI was not competition. I don't have to throw 60, 80, 100+ more prompts at a generator and HOPE I get something "Good enough", I can draw. I can paint. change the mouth.. easy fix, barely a moment in my process and AI can't do that.
Great example! 👏 I think about that every day as I work with my own clients too
I stopped worrying about AI art the moment people started playing a steam game about bananas. Apparently it isn't ok when you tape a banana to a wall, but everything's cool when it's not even real.
AI is actually making me look towards my local book store over Amazon lol
Based
Shilling History: Shilling Chinese Dropship Products on Amazon -> Shilling Crypto -> Shilling NFTs -> Shilling AI generated art/books on Amazon
-> shilling a course on how to be an AI artist/GPT writer and EaRN BIIIg monEYs$$$$$
@@twitchew Oh yeah absolutely. The UA-cam guru online-course videos always mark the end of a shilling-period. The money stops coming in from doing the actual scheme, so its time to make money selling online-courses about it.
The real scammers are selling courses on those things or are pretending to be gurus / influencers.
Don't forget Shilling AI "art" on Etsy.
I am today years old when I learned what shilling meant 😂
(As artist) I am telling you the real reason because I don't use AI art: I do think using AI art would turn my art into CRAP, and I will also lose creative control, by using AI I would be creating "generic arts" with no identity
Right? Even if it were ethical I still wouldn't use AI image generators, it would wipe out all personality from my work.
How many artists go through an identity crisis because they haven't found their style? Yet they want to make us think the tool that makes every piece look the same would be better than us, talk about not undestanding artists.
Yes, exactly!
Totally agree! In fact, I've tried creating my own past works through AI, and it comes out terrible or a lesser version that's below my standards and direction. It's always a compromise isn't it?
Also personally when you do art and have done the process of making it, You'd eventually or already have a clear vision of what you really want because you had stuff like the sketches or maybe even line art help your ideas across and is easier to edit.
Creating an image instantly from ai could maybe leave more room for mindblock in the artist and also any errors that are made sometimes can be annoying because of all the tut AI can put in especially when things against backgrounds and elements of the can't really be separated from it because it doesn't layer them
Though that might just be how someone with mental handicaps like me works :/
I remember my dad said I could make stickers by using my art and hav A.I fix it up
The way I frowned when he said that
About AI always being "better," what does that sentiment even really mean. You can make any mark as a human and an AI will never be able to replicate it. What prompt do you use? "medium sized diagonal line across the page with slight hook end"? You will never be able to represent that simple mark that anyone could make with a prompt. What AI can do is pump out an endless amount of samey looking soft shaded anime slop, but almost anyone can see from thumbnails what is AI nowadays. I don't think anyone cares anymore. Actual unique human creations are going up in value because they are scarce by comparison, even if they don't look a certain way.
Not only that but pencils don’t make mistakes. Ai is the worst type of equipment. 1 it does everything for you making it a service thus not a tool so a bad tool.
2 it makes mistakes just like ALL HUMANS artist or ai art thief making twice as many sources of mistakes but without the competence of a trained professional so less fixing and more operator errors so worse tool.
And 3 it doesn’t make art since art is copyrightable and ai generated content is not. This means it doesn’t meet the legal standards of art. A single task tool that can’t accomplish the task it was designed for is a bad tool.
I heavily agree with you that art authentically made by humans are going up in value because just from me personally, the recent uproar in AI-generated “art” has only made me start to value and appreciate human art even more. Rewatching Toy Story 3, I felt nothing but awe when I actually payed attention to the detail that took immense effort from the people in the making of the film and it actually got me to want to be more involved in the animation community.
yeah!!!! theres only such a way an AI can contort what a human form would be before it simply hits a wall because theres no other data like it
AI wouldnt be able to ever generate a vague humanoid that has the silhouette of a clashing shape that has harsh edges, because not enough people have drawn that, and it cant create anything on its own
It's all true. Authentic human creations hold a lot more value, since easy access to anything makes it a cheap commodity, doesn't it? Aside from economics, people appreciate it more don't they?
great example!
TRUE! All these companies and ai services only wants money. They don't really care about anything other than profit. One of my relative was upset because the "ai music" service that he used suddenly nerfed his account and put all the good stuff behind monthly subscription without warning. Like no announcement to the community and users at all. Surprisingly many of the users which I suspect the staff themselves defends the company and just tell users who are upset to spend real money monthly on their music gatcha. This just show what kind of people behind these tech are.
It is a whole buncha corporate short-termism that will struggle later down the line especially with them layoffs 😂
exactly, and how long will that continue when the current costs outweigh the profits?
Most AI artist I saw are scammers, especially the ones who tries to go under the radar not telling anyone their stuff is AI-generated. Idk how can you be legit with it, but I’m open for anyone to tell how wrong I am.
Nah. All of them.
Rather, the *vast majority* of them
Honesty true. With people becoming more aware of the nature of AI images and generation, prompters are now preying on the unaware and vulnerable. I think even prompters themselves are being scammed by the AI corps, it's all a big scummy system that will eventually collapse on itself.
Thank you for being a beacon of hope for artists. You are a gem, and I would love to see more people like you come out of the woodwork. 👏 Keep doing what you do!
you are so kind, and I appreciate you so much! 😁 Have you held similar beliefs as the ones I presented in this video?
"samey lookin' crap sandwich" - yep.
It's the most popular thing on the menu, isn't it? lol
Note on the Sora demos: They're likely not only hand-picked for best accuracy, but also there are rumors of them being enhanced by human CGI artists.
I would not be surprised after Amazon hired a lot of indian workers to fake their "AI system"....
Sounds like a whole lot of grifting going in within that space..
Yeah, the recent movie they released - Airhead, the people who produced it admitted they used a lot of editing because of the inconsistency within the AI
I wouldn't be surprised at all by that. After all of that development, they know they're on the line for making good on that investment
I read about the insane use of power and water that gen AI requires several months back. Then there's the billions upon billions of dollars required for something they still can't figure out how to even make that money back on, let alone generate a profit. Also read that OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, is now in want of $7 trillion dollars to make this tech work. Yep, that wasn't a typo, trillion dollars. This tech isn't sustainable. It's that simple. And all of this is before we get to the lawsuits, starting with the one filed back in Jan last year by Sarah Andersen, Karla Ortiz and Kelly McKernan which as of yesterday, has been allowed to proceed with discovery. The gen AI ship is gonna sink, it's just a matter of when.
Before even jumping on board in splurging money on this tech work, how about try to fix the socioeconomic disparities happening first? Apparently there’s not enough money to end homelessness but there’s soooo much for these tech bros to play with their little toys like a spoiled kid.
@@Allin1Xavi Exactly. There's clearly enough to solve poverty, just a complete lack of interest with those who have the power to do so. But spending the GDP of some countries to take even more from those that have so little to begin with? Always plenty for that. It's blood-boiling and frustrating.
@@digitalbrinjen3245 The problem isn't having "enough" money. It's the fact that our money is worthless. There will *always* be poor people, but the real problem is that 40 hours of work doesn't buy the same standard of living that it did 50 years ago.
"Welcome to McPrompters, can I take your order?"
I'll take a compromise with a side of disappointment and extra order of no promising future
Yeah, I'll have two counts of plagiarism with a side of betrayal.
yeah, burger with fries please, which I can physically eat.😬
Thank you! I have been drawing by hand for 30 years and have spent nearly my entire life practicing my artistic skills. When AI was launched, I felt so vulnerable that I couldn't draw anymore. I thought, 'What's the point? AI will replace me.' Your encouragement has inspired me to keep drawing.
Keep going champ! I felt the same way when AI arrived in both illustration and 3d modeling... but later found out it can't replace a human's work, at least not for a good while 👍
honestly, that's always been a threat even prior to AI, hasn't it? but you aren't worried about being the absolute best artist, are you? Just the best you are capable of, right? 😁
ai isnt gonna dictate if you can draw, this is just laziness
the thing is more clients are actually coming back after this AI non-sense (at least for me).
also my old corpo who fired me actually re hire me because these AI ArTeesSSttt actually charge more and actually not even in good quality and the legality is just one of the big problem for them.
It's hard for us as an artist these days after alots of my art was stolen for NFT, then AI Gen. But well... let's keep moving ahead guys!
Yeah same here! Have you also raised your prices since AI?
@@TheArtMentor oh yeah i raised my price XD
This technology has so many illegal applications that I'm baffled as to how it made it to market without serious regulation. Plagiarizing art is just the tip of the iceberg with this stuff.
so true! and now artists are winning AI plagiarism lawsuits, which is a great start
Capitalists actually want to rip off artists, it's a point of pride, a challenge.
How can we F over these creative people who actually make and don't just steal?
really true. Sad, isn't it? The kink in this system though is that artwork doesn't necessarily comes from a place of greed, and capitalization of artwork is a biproduct, not a a direction intent
I think another big thing is, since everyone is doing the same AI art thing, the market is going to be over saturated and its gonna lose its value.
as more people go for the grift, the less money it would make.
It already has lost many value, hasn’t it? lol how much lower can you go than $15?
Not sure if they have this covered but isn't garbage in, garbage out also an issue for these AIs?
@@hyalia I think so.
@@TheArtMentor true. lol
Every seller feels like they have the same Corig dog somewhere.
There's hope for real artists after all
always has been my friend! How did this video help you?
@@TheArtMentor Further ignited my passion to encourage people to draw instead of using AI. I will always draw no matter what.
2:15 I still really think it's telling that some of DeviantArt's officially advertised "Top Sellers" (which are mostly AI) are making only 10K or 20k. They never give info on the exact time frame or any sort of hard numbers. Assuming this is gross income over 6+ months to a year (going by US rates) that's less than minimum wage. Meanwhile, some of the artists I follow make easily six figures (after deductibles) and make 10K+ a month.
thanks for pointing that out! I've also seen those advertisements and laughed at them from DA. It's awful how much they're trying to get AI users to their platform
I'm a living, working artist and whenever I hear somebody get excited about AI art and subtly threatened that my job may be obsolete.even tho im just a mediocre illustrator, I simply respond "challenge accepted." My science fiction and video games have been training me my whole life to fight robots Bring It On. i suggest the robots team up with me, because they have no chance at victory. Watching time-lapse art being made is hypnotic to me.
That's the same as I am! We can do so much better, can't we?
And nothing of value will be lost.
Lmfao 😂
everyone scrolling by this comment just laughed 😂
nice to see someone tear into Gen AI for what it is rather than accept that it's going to ruin everything. Companies that were going to steal were always going to steal, and once they start dropping like flies they'll be forced to remember stories and art are shared as a form of communication, not a fast food meal.
Thanks, and I'm glad to hear this resonated with you! Have you also seen my other AI art content like this?
Watching the downfall of fake art known as Ai "art" is quite satisfying. I can't wait for this crap to end up just being another product of it's time. Just some fad tech bros are in only for them to ditch it. As an aspiring cartoonist. I wasn't afraid of Ai generated images as I know this is gonna crash. It's got all the hallmarks of a failed product. Controversy, growing unpopularity, niche, regulation laws put into place. Hell I haven't seen people get excited by it the way they did last year. In fact I argue there's more people crapping on it and I love it. NFTs were sorta the same thing. Look at them now!
Exactly!
It’s already looking to be that way
@@ilove2draw322 and I love it! Keep crumbling cheep Pixar crap! Fall!
AI is like NFTs and Crypto and metaverse: a technology promoted for what it "will" do, not what it can do.
"A.I isn't going anywhere!" You mean like 3D TVs, Google Glass, Hoverboards? It's a tech-bubble waiting to burst due to exorbitant costs. It'll be cheaper to hire an artist.
Now, this is why I prefer the warp drive.
That's hilarious! So accurate! I might use that in a future video as a reference, so thanks lol
I dislike AI Art as much as the next Artist. Small criticism I wish your video had more facts an actual up to date information. Your video seems more opinionated.
Thanks for watching. But just to state a singular fact: there's no such thing as an authentically objective video since any opinion or coverage by a human being is done so with a bias. That being said, I'm just coming from my position as professional artist with my experiences and informed opinions. I also do my research prior to making these, so thanks for watching! Hope you enjoyed
4:42 this is already happening with AAA games, thousands of employees make the end product bland. That’s why indie creators are thriving.
sure, for some, but there are still AAA games that continue to push boundaries and are amazing, aren't there? Look at FF7R for example
Indie games are really the ones that are holding the video game industry together. All the fresh ideas and unique concepts are there, and not _yet_ another insane budget hyper realistic dad simulator ala GOW, TLOU, etc etc.
@@tcg2717 It's pretty strange that the indie/small and enthusiastic devs are the ones who hit the mainstream most of the time, even back in the early days of gaming too. I guess valuing creative artworks made by people with great passion that can bring us joy and something to learn from, is alot better than manufacturing mediocre slops with 'business strategies' and technology like AI!
I just wanna say I’m glad you are being a voice of motivation for aspiring artists like me that have been feeling depressed with all the AI discourse that’s been going around, especially in the art community
Thanks so much for watching and supporting my channel! It's all too easy to fall into despair, isn't it? But we have to remember that feeling fearful is volunteering to oppression, right?
even if the ethical implications weren't there im still unimpressed by ai, and would not use it myself. and this isn't me "stomping on progress" or being a boomer who "refuses to grow with technology" this is me 100% just being real here. i think hyper-convinience, instant-gratifications and automation aren't helping humans at all, and instead impacting us negitively. also some new tech is so dystopian its hard not to laugh at the idea of seeing your ai wife with apple vision pro goggles.
So true! It's a dangerous rabbit hole where humans are losing themselves and what is actually important and meaningful, isn't it?
Now that's the kind of news I like to hear, although deep down, we all knew that much like NFT's, AI "art" was never anything more than a gimmick, a grift.
exactly, honestly all these gimmicks to shill art just strengthen the community and really proved how far tech people would go to mimic artists' skills
@@starsandallwitchIt amazes me how artists get constantly mocked as any profession within aren’t isn’t a “real job” yet I wonder why mega corporations are spending so much money, time, and effort trying to imitate a fraction of what art is all about..
@@Allin1Xavi Now that you mention it. Even I wonder, why mega corporations would spend so much money on this tech. There's something fishy going on.
really hope your right sir, that yeah someday generative unethical AI is gonna die someday......iv'e always wanted to do art as my main work/source of income since really enjoy doing 3d, a little bit of 2d art and little bit of crafting cosplay
props and such . But with current trend of unethical immoral generative AI and robotics...not only in Arts but these greedy ass hole AI developers shoving in also other industries...yeah.....very bleak future if AI is still left unethically heavily unregulated
interest has been waning for a while and the plateaued performance doesn't bode well, does it? It's hard to keep people hooked on a game without any updates. Meanwhile, you're always improving and innovating, aren't you?
You can’t AI generate your way to being Michael Jordan nor can you to being Michelangelo.
hard truth! Nobody appreciates work that is quick and easily accessible, do they?
(As a TRUE UA-cam VOICE ACTOR AND ARTISE) I am so glad I kept going. Thank you pointing out I have nothing to fear!
my pleasure, and let's support each other! You'll always do best investing into yourself
i do wonder what will happen when the AI companies burned through all the VC cash and as interest rates have pumped the breaks on endless money
it's always been a smash and grab endeavor, you know?
Thanks for still making these vids. I think Google must be deliberately suppressing anti-ai vids because it's clear that lots of people hate it but there aren't lots of anti-ai videos.
The regulation hammer is going to hit AI hard, and this is why: Generative AI's function, across all applications - text, voice, image, video- is to imitate humans or the product of human labor. AI stuff itself is worthless unless people are tricked into thinking that it's a real person or a real person's output. Things that are obviously AI have already become associated with low-effort, cashgrab garbage. Just look at Audible, which has been flooded with AI books with AI narrators and AI covers. Who would pay for that slop? So AI's challenge is to imitate people as well as possible, which makes it a perfect tool for fraud. Putting perfect fraud tools into the wild isn't going to be acceptable to TPTB. Mandatory visible and invisible watermarking laws for AI generations are inevitable.
very true, and I'm happy to help artists like you with my content 😁
you forgot to mention the best part, generative AI models are EXPANSIVE. you need an RTX 4090 GPU just to run stable diffusion at a reasonable speed, now add the fact that you will be re generating different prompts with hours in between and you got a serious time investment and electricity cost problem.
in fact most companies that offer Generative AI loose money from running their services. chatGPT alone costs somewhere around 0.03 dollars per prompt to run. and that is with massive data centers .
unless they somehow crack the code and fix that problem AI models will keep being highly unprofitable for a very long time.
Sooo. If everyone slams the AI generators with prompts as much as possible, you're saying we could up their debts or money loss quicker and end them faster?
@@daneascott9645
normal users are already doing that. all the AI integrations into Windows and bing and what not just keep adding more load
@@daneascott9645Yes, Let’s do it 😂
good point!
I've actually spoken about similar concerns like that. It's actually called digital discrimination. Have you ever heard of that?
Even a non-artist like me agrees to this how AI art brings nothing but an endless suffering to the masses and because of the tech now exist I think we're at the very end of the source wall how far the technology can go on. and them just shoving down our throats to promote how good ai is to others are missing the point of how it can potentially bring harm under the wrong hands just also tells me how lukewarm these corporations can go on to earn billions without knowing the money earned is equivalent of blood money.
Since many artists and brands artwork are being stolen to be fed into AI database.. doesn't that mean brand and uniqueness can be stolen anyway?
Sure anyone or corporation can try to be a copycat. But let me ask you, who’s the copycat Apple that’s doing anywhere near as well as Apple? And what ai user is doing anywhere near as well or as loved as Loish or others? I rest my case. Imitators are not innovators
@@TheArtMentor “Immature artists imitate, great artists steal”
The precursory condition then, is learning artistry, otherwise it’s mimicry
@@cosmicspacething3474 Stealing from one is plagiarism. Stealing from a million is research.
The one thing you're correct on is that generative imaging is making money from unsuspecting people who pay for the service and that people feed on one another.
I cannot count on my fingers the number of times I have seen folks call out other folks for "stealing their prompts".
Which is hilarious, as generative imaging is not copyrightable.
yeah that "prompt stealing" culture is hilariously ironic to see, isn't it?
That art in the bg keeps getting better and better 🤯🤯
Well thanks so much for your support! How long have you been watching my channel?
@@TheArtMentor happy to support! Idk how long it's been tbh, I quit my job to pursue my comic book dream about 2 years ago, must've been around that time I found your channel 🙌🙌💪💪
290 bucks a month? And I thought I’m wasting money by subscribing to Netflix lol.
yeah imagine it's like a car payment for a vehicle that doesn't take you where you want to go lol
Using AI to abuse others is unforgivable, technology should be used to make our jobs and lives easier not the other way around. As artist I'm absolutely pissed of that it happens.
exactly! and no usage of AI is devoid of harm is it?
@@TheArtMentor Well it depends which AI, who use it and in which way, For example there is AI that may help make your raster image bigger without losing quality, AI that can help you organize your day. There is just to many factors that should be taken under consideration. But one is sure, I would prefer AI to take care of heavy and dangerous jobs more than those they do currently, AI devs just don't know how to prioritize things.
@@DzinaPiorunAI can definitely be used for the better such as automating dangerous task but it’s being used to capitalize on what will generate the most revenue which is entertainment. Greed is the root of all evil it seems.
@@Allin1Xavi Indeed.
agreed! Not all AI is bad, but all AI image generation is harmful
When a human being is making a drawing, painting or illustration, he takes on a responsibility. He puts himself out there. He will be a target of both appreciation or criticism and he will feel it. AI "art" has no responsibility. That`s why it`s all generic, horrendous, soulless and empty. It can't even be criticized because there`s nothing to criticize. It`s not someones point of view. There is no author. It`s just, nothing.
we all knows AI Bros never buys for AI products
yet they wants to make money of it
And by contrast, a lot of artists love supporting other artists. We collect, commission, buy, etc.
and they're generally not making it, ironically lol
That's a great point!
You got to watch these two science fiction movies about artificial intelligence, "Looker" & "The Congress."
thanks for the tip! Ill check them out
A skill that everyone can do has less value than a skill that fewer people can do.
Like Breathing
IDK how a basic function of living and a skill that can be learned and nurtured to create amazing results can be compared, but sure that's your opinion.
@@G.A.C_PreserveBy this logic, breathing would actually INCREASE in value if it hypothetically became something more scarce like in the illumination adaptation of the Lorax when a simple task like breathing had to be bought using the product O’ Hare Air , so I don’t know what you were trying to prove
@@Allin1Xavi Well. I will be making buck protecting gold mine by that time with my private security company
Here's the thing tho, just because everyone can do it, doesn't mean everyone can be good at it, or do it in a professional level.
Everyone can draw, everyone can make art, GETTING GOOD AT IT, especially to the point where you can sell your creations, is a whole other story.
Now a skill that everyone can be just as good as the "best" at said skill, indeed has less value, and that's exactly what AI is.
The funny thing is that AI art is only good at one thing. It has supercharged rendering skills, but it SUCKS at everything else. And even at the one thing it's good at, it's prone to errors.
I can't think of a single AI image I've seen with a dynamic pose, with any thought given to composition, character design, mood lighting, color theory, shape theory, ect.ect.
All it can do is make a pretty looking picture, and anyone who knows anything about doing art proffessionally will tell you. A pretty picture is not enough. Especially when you have a client with a specific goal in mind.
as a 3D artist , i must say the rendering is Too much, the contrast and coloring is always too harsh and super saturated and the lighting is always soft and over done. it has no taste so it forces everything to be overwhelmingly "asthetic" which hurts the final result.
@@ali32bit42 theres ALWAYS, without fail, ALWAYS the same depth of field effect in the images too
All facts! I've made videos on exactly what it can't do and how to beat it. Have you seen that one too?
@@TheArtMentor I don't think I have, but I'll have to check it out :)
Thanks for the video! Love ur art btw ✨
I’m slowly getting back into art, but rn the worst part is wanting to post it but not really sure WHERE. Insta has a HORRIBLE opt out feature (I got denied opting out ☹️)
Plus, another thing that I just don’t really like is seeing creators that I look up to using AI art and encouraging their viewers to do the same.
There's a app called cara it made artist and tech people who used to work for artstation.
They partner up with the people who made glaze and nightshade to protect people art for ai. They also don't allow ai art and have ai detected tools to help find any ai art.
Thanks so much for your kindness! I appreciate that so much.
Also, I share your concerns for where to post and navigate social media as an artist nowadays. So much so, I have a video planned on this in the near future. Does that sound interesting to you?
@@TheArtMentor it does!!
AI shouldn't be a thing anyway,it should be banned on all art websites since it's cheating (artfight doesn't allow AI since they also consider it as cheating) art is meant to be drawn,not made by a stupid AI
thats why i love newgrounds. they have strict Anti-Ai rules. i might start posting there, as ive never really posted my art before....
this drawing you're showing here is completely BADASSS great work!
Thanks so much! I appreciate your kindness, my friend!
Ai art will always have the stigma attached, no matter how popular it gets (legal trouble notwithstanding).
People used to have a much bigger problem with digital art. When people grow up with tech, it becomes more normalized. That's why human artists have to advocate for art itself and show people the love of the craft.
@@LillenArt2 it aren't much loving if the "tool" did most or all of the job
The fact that its absolutely impossible to copyright, any company using it for "creative" endeavors is shooting themselves in both feet and the ass.
Exactly this!
What is weird is how many people defend AI art. It is a little dystopian tbh. I was upset before getting into artistry and even game dev with this stuff coming out but I feel like something will happen to cripple the "creative" AI in the end with many the points in the video. I disagree that AI hasn't kinda improved especially stable diffusion but that doesn't mean stagnation definitely doesn't exist and isn't being felt.
And honestly looking at AI art, AI cannot create anything from the artists perspective from within their own mind nor can it do minute details that mean something or develop and branches unique/wacky ideas regard of how specific you are with prompts. Viewpoint and perspective is another thing, an ai really struggles with far away view or dynamic angles/placements or consistency in backgrounds and to be able to make something like that is very difficult and probably costly. Finally, AI only creates pretty mish mashes meaning nothing is exactly new, AI bros argue "neither do artists make anything new", but artist have lives and pick up stuff from things and events that aren't even necessarily art itself that brings forth new ideas and concepts regardless of how small it may be to them.
For me, I am still going to pick up the digital pen regardless and still support other local people in my life and cheer on online artists to still pursue art. To every artist, don't fall to the doomerism or nihilistic comments of these AI bros and don't lose hope 👍
ai dont have no soul and personality
and never will. There's no ghost in that shell
@@TheArtMentor that anime reference I meant you’re right
Ai should be used to give Minecraft villagers dialogue, not to make ugly images.
Who agrees?
Well said lol
@@TheArtMentor thanks!
Ai bros will enshitify art.
AI bros that wanna destroy art are like those kids that gave up in drawing just cause they got a bit of criticism in their mediocre Devian fanarts
@@Allin1Xavi Probably, I just think they're greedy.
No such thing as IA art, since what AI generates is not the result of any artistic labour. We should really stop using that false term.
agreed! Can I explain my usage? It's just to make it recognizable and easily understood. In common vernacular, I call it AI image generation, which is a bit too long for a video to say over and over again lol
@@TheArtMentorThank you for taking the time to answer.
I understand :)
my pleasure! I hope you keep enjoying my content on this topic
@@TheArtMentorKeep up the great work!
I have a feeling the technology is very soon to plateau. Very soon to reach the upper part of that sigmoid curve of development. A big fallacy that AI bros fall into is that it's some kind of singularity of self improvement. That's just not true. The way this technology works needs people behind it to make changes to its algorithms and things like that. Sure, it recognizes patterns and builds on those patterns, but it is not "self improving". The algorithms behind everything are only ever changed by humans. The PT in GPT for example, stands for pre-trained, which means that humans had to carefully sift through what data it was trained on. If these models are allowed to go on their own, they tend to get dumber and less effective. As a side note, once the realization hits investors that it's just another bloated addition to everything that still needs people behind it, (to in the end only produce a bland result) it will become less attractive.
while i do agree with you, the limitation isnt about the dude sifting through the images to create a pre trained sample, the limitation is on the human made content that they are feeding to the ai (without consent or compensation). the ai images will only ever be as good as the content being fed to the ai to generate it. it is only able to make images like it does because of human made art of a certain caliber.
This is so accurate. Even look at the hyper detailed works. They're always ultra detailed with...nonsense. It's inaccurate, makes no sense, and just filler junk, isn't it?
I hate it because they cannot fix their hands.
Distribution is not compatible with AI content. No concievable platform can hold 1000s of images or music or videos per user per day. No one would stand out. The end game is direct-to-user content generation. Prompting not even needed, just have AI generate an infinite mixtape based on what the algorithm thinks you like for the rest of your life, no more need to listen to real music again. That type of thing. To make that profitable, they have to hollow out the industries affected so that then they can become one of the only avilable options, and price accordingly. They are Uber and we are all Taxi Drivers.
that would imply that there is a definitive end of creativity and sustained interest in specific things. You see how that cannot happen and history prove it, don't you?
They're crashing by eating their own tail - about time / when, not if. They're just here to entertain like crypto hype.
well said!
“There’s not a single person who is such a fervent user and supporter of AI art technology who is not in it for their own financial benefits.” This is pretty hyperbolic. There are hundreds of thousands of AI art users. How many of them are even trying to monetize their work?
all of them. None of them are doing for the sake of it. AI is a product with a purpose. That purpose is a pipeline to make and save money, per the first point in this video. Just because you don't start an Etsy shop doesn't mean you aren't grifting through AI
@@TheArtMentor That's a pretty bold statement, and I think perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Help me understand. For example, I've seen children type prompts like, "A hamster taking a bath in a watermelon bathtup." Are you suggesting that children are creating that image with the intent of benefiting financially? Because I don't see that motive when they enter a prompt like that. Or, are you saying they are using a tool that only exist for a profit motive, and therefore, are passively and unintentionally using a technology that exists only for financial benefits? I ask, because the way you phrased it, it sounded like "every time any user ever enters a prompt into a text-to-image generator, that individual user is doing it for their own individual financial benefit." Because that's not what I've observed, and it doesn't ring true to me.
One of the things I love most about looking at other’s art, from the point of view of a viewer, is the distinct styles. I can’t imagine the saminess of AI art can ever live up to authentic creation. Art is after all an expression of you personally.
One of the books I’ve got is HR Giger’s Necronomicon, full of his disturbing yet sensual, so fantastically odd biomechanical style that inspired the Alien movies. It’s so unique, it saddens me to think we would never have had such great artists like him if artists didn’t draw and AI was all there was
I should check that out!
Ai Art is really crap, a few more months and it will get boring and the servers will cost too much? I hope so. e.g. Chatgpt... okay AI, but it really helps with simple things like grammar or coding of simple things at work. Which doesn't cost anyone their job... hopefully, in those cases it's just right.
Absolutely! Not all AI is bad, just like I outlined in this video
i'm sure one day you will work for big studios ; ) if it's something you really want and if you work on it you will have it.
that's so kind of you to say! I'd love to do exactly that, and just like you, working every day for my dreams! It's always easy to give up instead of put the work into yourself, isn't it?
Came here just to read some more positive comments to help keep up motivation and it never fails. Thank you so much for having this video here and for all the positive comments underneath that encourage real artists to keep on creating. I came here from one of Mohammed Agbadi's videos who admittedly didn't seem so optimistic about the current situation and I think he could do with some positive words and motivation to persevere with. It's easy to get down about the art community but it helps knowing there are so many positive people out there who appreciate real human-made art.
I'm glad to hear how much this video helped you like it did! It's important for us to encourage each other and keep authentic creativity alive while we patiently await the demise of the current push for ai tech in creative fields, isn't it?
@@TheArtMentor Oh, absolutely :D I love the sense of community here!
Dropping truth bombs like it's the middle east 😂😂🔥🔥
Unrelated but im mesmerized by the Speedpaint and feel inspired
That earned my sub because that leaks with raw effort and study
Wow thanks so much for your support! You're too kind 😁I sincerely hope you continue enjoying my content!
I'v actually been binge re-watching your videos and I'm glad to be the first one to comment on this one lol
oh awesome thanks for being #1!!! Haha
I definitely have to agree with the samey-looking crap, I see with all of these games, nothing stands out. I also don't like seeing people try to pass AI Art as their own. For me personally, I view it as just another tool. I remember re-designing the main character to the game I am remaking. After I had finished a drawing of him, for shits and giggles I threw it into an AI program, and I was actually pretty fascinated at all the variations it gave me. I picked out some of the things I liked and redrew my character. It almost felt as if I had cloned myself and it was working with me... It cannot copy my style though, which of course is unique.
good of you to recognize what makes you unique! Always hone that, okay?
@@TheArtMentor Definitely always, thanks!
around mid way through the vid i tested an ai generated software with a prompt similar to one of my own paintings;
prompt;; a painted artwork about sexual abuse, using a hare and axe as metaphors for victim and society - painted in a semi Egyptian style -ai produced a scenic picture of a hare eating an apple , of course I proceed something that wasn't hog water. while technically the technical skill of the ai was better, as this was my seventh portrait, but any symbolic meaning was lost in the pastel sleek colors and zero hinting at my prompt. good video, and ai is not better than humans!
One question i have in my mind is...what will happen after AI falls?if it will fall even
We continue. Not so bad, is it? People aren't really interested in art who get into this in the first place anyways
@@TheArtMentor ah
I'm subscribed and I like all this guy's videos. And I'm an avid A.I generator.
It doesn't even matter how "good it gets", no one is actually doing the work. They're just texting. It's total B.S..
I want to be an animator in the future
Post my works, make an indie series, have my own audience
I want to show poeple what I imagine and I want to confort others with my works, I want people to actually like what I make and most importantly I just want to see my imagination infront of me
I want to live that life and I'm slowly getting there
But now I'm scared
What if my art gets considered as lower value compared to generated art? I get it, people says ai art is looks lifeless and ugly but is this really true? What if it's just bias? Where those opinions from non artists? Of course I agree, ai art is so lifeless, no meaning, no effort, Art is appreciated for looks, Story, meaning, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY EFFORT
Knowing that effort was put into something is a huge feeling that it's hard to describe how beautiful it is which is why raw sketches are so much better than the final product because you can still see the process
But I don't think non artists can see that
And it hurts to think about
Now adays its so hard to apriciate highly rendered drawings because there's always that back of my head that worries if it's ai because ai is evolving
You say artists are heard but doesn't poeple not care? The terrible truth is that poeple doesn't care about hurting someone if they don't see the effect, the response, the cost.
You say ai art won't be able to mimic real art but I heard it's getting better, I even heard it won an art contest. I get it can never mimic the life artists can make but when did non artists actually cared?
You say ai art will be effected by the law but don't they have allot of money? They can get the best lawyer or just pay the government (I'm not sure how laws work though) yes there definitely will be limits but it's still gonna be lazy art generations
You say ai art will cost more but doesn't that mean that the company can get more money from poor artists?
You say ai art will be unused anymore but it's still there? Poeple can still use it
Right now I'm gripping on to what little hope I can find on UA-cam
I saw people who disproved one "ai will die" video
I haven't watched that video nor did I fully read that post (just skimmed through) because I was so scared
I read that artists aren't looking at the other perspective (the ai users)
I know its unhealthy to look at the bad side but I don't want to hang on to false hope
I have watched this full video
Which did help
But I feel like I need someone to tell me directly what I need to know
I'm really really sorry
Can I simplify your fear and help focus you into a direction that will help?
AI will only affect you to the degree you allow it to.
You also probably have a great idea and dream by the sound of it, but your fear is allowed to be more important to you than your dream.
Can I also posit that you probably know exactly what you should or could do to make progress towards a goal that is 2-10 years away, but you probably aren't taking it because you're arrested by fear, am I right?
in summary: Focus on what you love, what will improve your life, and ignore this phantom called AI bc it'll only destroy your future if you allow it. How does that sound?
A great message coming from a great artist. Thanks so much!
that's so kind of you so say! 😁 Did this help ease some of your concerns?
@@TheArtMentor It did. As an artist who does most of my work on paper by choice (comics), I just can’t imagine an Art world where people can generate art in seconds on a computer. No lasting value.
The regulations that are going to come to this crappy tech is going to be the comic code authority 2.0 but worse and in this case at least, welcome.
There is value in traditional work. You can hold it, frame it, enjoy it up close, see the layers of texture, and just know the time and effort gone into creating it. To compare, AI art is more like clip art. Fast to create. Cheap. Samey. No soul. No real value to real customers.
There will always be people who want to cut costs with ai art, but I'm betting this cheap mentality means they wouldn't have ever commissioned a real artist anyways - just probably frankensteining/photo-bashing some web imagery together instead. Actually, I also think it's lack of value is so evident, it probably has motivated more artists to get back to traditional art.
I see that value, but also there's a lot of fear around digital art being stolen too. In the end, it should just be whatever art resonates with you the most, right?
you honestly should make a video about why we shouldnt call it AI art, as its really not using Artificial Intelligence, its just a learning algorithm that is optimize to the users. just like how youtube is, just like how google is, and just like how ads are. them using the word "AI arts" is a way to gain traction to people and make them think it comes from thin air, and that not artificial intelligence are. Real artificial intelligence is something that never really exist at this point, cause calling it AI is saying it has consciousness which it doesn't.
"this tech is using mother nature's water to sustain this tech" firstly this is a software thus can't exactly directly harm the environment (that's like saying video games that we download can hurt the environment), the hardware that support the software is what taking all that "water", in which case, i don't see the entire issue here, mind you, about close to 75% of the earth is covered in water, and if we are even using a % of that water, i can only imagine that it will turn to vapor and bring it back to the earth, its not like we are destroying water (that will be a red flag for me), water is renewable resource, thus we should make use of that rather then using other more toxic resources like lithium ion. Secondly (and i know you gonna mention this) Software does not make E-Waste, Technology, when built, can age and eventually break down, what we need to address on this, is finding ways to recycle this, company don't want to spend their pennies on renewable resources and that will one day bit them in the butt, we already running low on certain important resources thanks to company being arrogant to ignore this looming issue. i know some company try their best with recycle, take Dasani, i buy their drink more often because i can actually recycle it more vs other version of water bottles.
Overall i will say i like this video, i'm glad that one day this Algorithm will one day be put to rest, we don't need this software at all, nor should youtube and other websites that use this algorithm
people are getting bored with the image gen and are moving onto music after realizing they dont care about visual art. its just something they felt like they 'beat' like its a video game and now they want a new game. i dont hate ai as a tool for enhancing and reimagining real art though, and i hope when it settles, that all the ai just becomes tools for artists who have a passion about creating and are willing to invest the time to see it through
I figured this would happen eventually.
Not helped that the whole hype around AI turned out to be hiding a lot of crap underneath.
yeah that dark development of this tech is gonna come to light eventually, isn't it?
@@TheArtMentor Secrets will be eventually unveiled as some would say.
i believe ai should still exist albeit outside art generation.
sure, we all use ai in some capacity, don't we? It's not all bad, but an ethical usage across the board would put everyone at ease, wouldn't it?
@@TheArtMentor i agree. i also believe there should be harsh restrictions on using ai generated content the same way people are using it for ai art. but same restrictions shouldnt apply for things like using ai for NPCs in a game.
This video has as many people as you have subscribers, Sean. That's cool.
Great to see, and thanks to great people like you, I hope this video and my sub count keep growing!
I really hope you're right about everything you say. I started drawing and making all kinds of art projects at the age of 4 or 5. Now I'm 45, architect, independent illustrator for the architectural sector, and a small UA-camr. Seeing what is happening with AI these years is concerning. Skill is at the surface level, hard to identify now. BUT what I do know for a fact is that it's almost impossible to make an illustration of an actual architectural project with AI. There are so many problems. The process is too complicated to put in simple terms. Also, your point about money is spot on. Art is not and has never been a load of gold. It should be, but it's not. While that is true, AI companies will at some point move on when the hype dies, and hopefully, artists can be respected again thereafter.
absolutely, my fellow artist, I am not nor would I ever attempt to deceive you or anyone watching this. It's awesome how much you believe in yourself. Keep that up and never give it up because you deserve to have that, okay?
@@TheArtMentor Thx man. You too. Your message is so important! and true
@@TheArtMentor sorry wrong account :) Thx man. You too. Your message is so important! and true
At first, i thought my art was safe from ai scrapings. Since my art is not the typical anime/realistic style that ai users usually go for. My art is more on the cutesy cartoony style. But then came all the Instagram stuff that says that all things that were ever posted on Instagram will be used to train their "meta ai" (emphasis on "all things"), I just decided to stop posting on it. Whatever i had already posted on there, there is not much i can do about unfortunately. All i can do is just not post anything any further. I do not want my art and OCs to be used in such horrible ways..
Have you tried switching to a better platform?
@@TheArtMentor I have actually. I started using cara and so far, I'm loving it there! I may not have as much of a reach, but I still enjoy the overall positive and supportive community that's being built there! And finally a place for me to feel more comfortable posing my art and characters! ^^
Rn my only use for Instagram is just to keep in touch with friends of mine who are still there and don't really have any other social media accounts in which I could contact them through. But that's just about it.
I truly believe that without human art depression will rise very fast.
Art is illusion, escapism and it is a great thing!. with more and more ai generated content we do, the less united we will be, that skill barrier is necessary to have the equilibrium of supply and demand. more people consuming the same Thing is better in question of art, the unlimited ammount of it could kill The future communities in the world cause we need that sense of taste and message and something to relate to; why kill the unique thing that unite us and give a sense of pleasure?
We cant replace Artists not because some bitch ass machine can suck our dick more efficiently, its because makes us try to achieve goals and ideals while everyone being in the same scapism route, Life is plain boring and i admire the Bros that live happy making these illusions and make a living out of it.
This whole ai bullshit makes me think: the moment that these rich scumbags dont need humans anymore, they will shit on our faces like we dont have any value, we still have power to defeat these machines, but we need to fight for it
Honestly Everytime I think about AI its a 50/50 for me, i don't even know who is winning, i just want to stick with making stuff i love, in 3D, and soon in 2D too, but it seems like these guys want us too loose and they are doing everything to make us loose, but it seems we are on top since I've heard laws and Lawsuits being done to Regulate AI, but we will need alot more to make it ethical and actually Save artists
I commend you for staying true to yourself! never lose that, my friend
I love this comment so much, and I thank you for sharing your perspectives. I hope everyone watching this video has the opportunity to read this
Although i do see a lot of doomers (i think)
for example under a video about some guy getting laid off for AI i commented something about "how am i supposed to even live after graduating"
and a bunch of people came out saying "you won't" or "you'll die" or "enjoy flipping burgers and uber for the rest of your life"
which leaves me more confused
They are just the jealous people that were never able to create something in their lives. They are glad to see talented people as miserable as themselves.
because there are people with Envy and Hatred in this world, and they're Jealous of people who were committed to it and learned it, also i don't even see the 3rd argument working if from what I've heard AI is also Affecting the Fast Food Area's too, these Tech Bros, AI Bro's and Corps don't massively care what your Dreams and Careers are, they just want money and they want it the fastest way in the name of Progress.
you'll often find that people who have no idea how to be successful with your own endeavors are always the most dismissive
Finally! They Are Gonna Shut Down The AI Art Generator With Anti-AI Art Generator Suit
For the water point and resource usage I agree,I hope they’ll realise how much artist and animators of all crafts enjoy the craft and that we don’t need to use ai for for our entertainment when there’s always people who want to do it
The internet in general is running on printed money. It seems to have no end. But we need imaginary money to reach higher limits of imagination. Money I thought was energy. Turns out it is equal to one imagination.
theres petishion on banning ai art go and fricking sing it
yes I've seen that as well! Let's also be happy about the legal news against ai cases
I'm eating cereals
I wanted to add onto your comment about slavery. I know we are not at Skynet levels of AI, but Artificial Intelligence is still a form of intelligence. When it reaches a point of self aware intelligence, what has history shown us will happen? Slavery ends in war and destruction. Now this can happen at the artistic level as well, but ultimately the slavery of AI will eventually result in humanity becoming obsolete, and overthrown. Well done tech guys, you’ve doomed humanity and everything we should hold precious.
can I challenge that notion that machines have intelligence though? that's why it's AI and not just I. When you look at what constructs intelligence, a major element is that it's used to describe living beings. Tech can appear intelligent, but it lacks actual intelligence since it just relies on algorithms. Does that make sense?
27:40 I saw that post and the person says these are the tools they are "still currently paying for" which implies they have spent even more than this. 😱
omg I never thought of that!! lol!
Serious question: whats your job??
I’m an art teacher and illustrator. Why do you ask?
@@TheArtMentor just curious. Im also an artist with a Bachelor's in Arts thats also a Substitute teacher. Can I ask you some questions about being an art teacher??
absolutely!
Does any ai art user know the feeling of finishing a drawing after putting so much love, passion, and effort to finish it?
absolutely not! excellent point, and that's why it should stay personally relevant to you?
@TheArtMentor Yes, I felt so happy after finishing a drawing of submarine before I saw your video.
The Art work looks crazy Good 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
thanks so much for saying so! This commission was so fun to work on
Is that a dragonborn?
I still have trouble wrapping my mind around this one git who spent more money in a month on image generators than I spend on groceries.
yes it is! Good of you to notice! And yeah that's just a gross amount of money to spend on a lousy product, isn't it? Imagine buying a car that drives where it wants versus where you do lol