An Anabaptist's Search for Hutterite Slaves in Turkey | Salomon Böger's Epic Journey's (1607-1610)
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2022
- In 1605, while practicing their faith peacefully in Southern Moravian, the unthinkable happened to the Hutterites. The Ottoman soldiers came upon them and dragged off 240 Hutterites from their colonies and took to back to Turkey, where they would be sold as slaves all throughout the Ottoman Empire. Among those Hutterites dragged off, were the wife and daughter of a man named Salomon Böger, who made it his mission to get back his family and as many other Hutterite's as he could. Was Salomon Böger successful? How many did he save? What happened to those that he couldn't? Find out in this video!
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Excellent job. As one of Anabaptist descent, I you. If ever you want to actually meet the Hutterian Brethren and learn how to correctly pronounce "Hutterian" look me up and I'll introduce you. What so many of the early Anabaptists suffered for their faith is humbling. The Great Chronicle is so moving with it's many accounts of their persecution along with the other book of our Anabaptist marytyrs, "Martyr's Mirror." Such a price they paid to follow Christ serves as an inspiration to us all. When I looked at the original Chronicle which is kept at a colony in South Dakota, I could not but get choked up, especially when reading of those persecuted and killed from villages where our own ancestors were from, and then seeing the blank pages on the page which were reserved at the time that the book was being written in for "others who would have to pay the price" from those same areas. Quite chilling. You've done a marvelous work here, and am wondering where you came by all the photos. The one with the girls standing in front of the baskets of peaches is one that I had found in an old photo album of a friend's and posted to the web myself, pretty cool that you used it. Blessings!
Thank you for your support @oldtimeway1! Appreciate the kind words. I tried searching "oldtimeway1" on the internet but could not find you. Is there a better place I can go to find you? Please email me daine7@protonmail.com Wow, you have seen the original Hutterian Chronicle? This is amazing! Yes, that must have been very emotional but also powerful experience. There are very few photos of Hutterites on the internet so it took a very long time to gather the images here. However, thanks to people like you among others, I think I made out well! Which of the photos did you take?
Let me know if you enjoyed this video! Have a video topic you want me to cover? Let me know in the comments below!
These are a great help to me. Thank you for all of you hard work! Blessings!
I myself am A Theravada Buddhist but this man’s heroic sense of sacrifice to help others is uplifting. RIP Saloman Böger
Thanks for your comment Ferret, I completely agree! That is very interesting, Theravada Buddhist is the more conservative branch of Buddhism, right?
@@DainetheHistorian Yes, yes it is.
@@DainetheHistorian Hello again, I understand that you are a Christian, and do videos mostly on Anabaptisim. But I think I would be great if you did a video on Theravada. There are some topics regarding it of which existing videos on the topic do not talk too well in depth about. An no, I don’t want to spend my entire day reading 5000 year old documents translated in broken English. So it would be greatly appreciated. I understand if it is a topic you can’t find any research on. Thank you and good luck to your in life.
I teach on the Bumengart Hutterite Colony in Manitoba. I showed your excellent video to my grade 7 students. Their first questions were about the 8 freed slaves. Where did Salomon find them? How did he free them? Did they re-unite with their home colonies in Moravia?
Another topic of interest to me is colony Hutterites' last names. The names of early Hutterites have disappeared from colonies. Current names don't seem to have been there early on. Also, there are a fairly limited number of Hutterite last names now common on colonies (there are only about 13 last names of Hutterites now, excepting a few recent married-ins and possible "new" colonies formed by missionaries in other countries and cultures.) This has made for a limited gene pool and some genetic issues, which Hutterites are very aware of.
I am one of the descendants of the Hutterites taken to Turkish lands. We now live in a village in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. We have proven this by DNA testing linking back to Sudtirol.
That is so interesting Erol. How many of you are there? Is there any additional information that you could point me to about this? Linda Maendel wrote a great article about one man in Cyprus who traced his ancestry to the Hutterites (which I talked about at the end of this video) but I would love to know more.
@@DainetheHistorian I watched your video to the end this time - and I am the person mentioned by Linda Maendel :) Just to clarify we are Turkish Cypriots and not Turks from Cyprus. The Greek Cypriots live in the south in the Greek federated state of Cyprus and us Turkish Cypriots live in the North in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. It is interesting how as Hutterites we were persecuted by other Christians (and lived in serfdom) in Europe. After our enslavement by the Turkic peoples we won our freedom within 1 generation and achived a very high status that we would never have achived as serfs in Europe beholden to the noble classes and almost would have certainly died under the hands of Christian Europe. I am proud of my Hutterite roots but I am also equally proud of being Turkic!
U mentioned u live in the village in the Turkish Republic..do u still hold to the hutterite traditions of headcoverings for the ladies and modest dress
@@jenarutter3011 We live in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. We descend from the first Sudtirol Hutterian Anabaptists of the 16th century as opposed to the current day Hutterites who descend from the post Sudtirol days. We do not have any oral tradition of our Anabaptist past, it was only through DNA testing that we found out and we do not have any cultural aspect of Hutterite life today
It’s really sad but thinking too how Salomon persevered especially back then where there was no internet phones or easy communication or ways to travel. It’s amazing how much and how far he was able to go. He was very determined.
That is such a good point Pamela! Just imagine how many more he could have freed if he'd had access to modern communication like social media to get the word out regarding this horrible event!! He would have had an army of helpers assisting him! I know he would have had me!!
Love your videos, do more of them!
Thank-you Fiona for your very kind words, I appreciate it! And don't you worry, much more to come! :)
Thank you very interesting video , appreciate all your work in making this video.
Thank you for your support & kind works! I really appreciate it.
Damm, that’s an amazing and touching story. He’s strength really shows when he just keeps going on expedition after expedition until he ultimately “maybe” fell to the hands of the Turk.
I would like to make it clear that I (a person that is very interested in anabaptist and other various Christian groups) find your films extremely interesting and enjoyable, thanks.
Greetings from Sundsvall, Sweden
I'm glad to hear you take an interest in anabaptist history and enjoy my videos, Eddie! You are from Sweden? Part of my family is also from Scandinavia! Thank-you for your kind words and support Eddie!
Thank you so much for this! Extremely interesting.
Linda Mandel is a friend of mine. 💕
Thank you Lyanna!! I'm glad you enjoyed the documentary. You are friends with Linda Maendel? Thats wonderful! Her blog is truly an inspiration to me. Are you also a Hutterite?
@@DainetheHistorian yes I am.
As an Anabaptist I have never heard this story before. Thank you for sharing this story. Would I be able to receive Friedman's PDF as an email?
I just found your channel. I hope you continue your research and video making. I subscribed.
You bet Veronica! I am very glad you found my channel and enjoy the work! Much more to come, I promise!
Interesting story, I guess not all stories have a happy ending. I'm a Hutterite myself, and enjoyed this history.
I am glad you enjoyed it Rachelle, thank you!
Hello Daine. I really appreciated this video. I would like to research this story further and am looking for all available primary and secondary sources. Do you know of any besides Böger's letters and the Hutterian Chronicles? You mentioned Robert Friedmann's essay, but I couldn't find it. Thanks!
Hi Joshua, thank you for your support. Yes, I have Friedmann's essay. What is your email? I can send you a pdf copy. I am not aware of any additional resources. If you find more information on this, please let me know.
What is the city that you call "city of Eglar" at 21:43? Is this some odd mixture of "Eger", the Hungarian name of the city, and "Erlau" which is the German name? The person you call Colonel Siegfried is Siegfried von Kollonitsch (1572-1624).
Correct, the city I was referring to is Eger in Northern Hungary.
I love your video very good
Thank you Clark, I really appreciate your kind words and support!
Side note:so well done!!!
Thank you Justa! Appreciate your kind works and support!
@@DainetheHistorian i very much appreciate you sir.
I am from Anabaptist background. Love the video. Could you do a video on the Mennonite community that lived in Uzbekistan?
Thank you for your support Joshua! I will certainly look into that Mennonite community, sounds interesting. Are there some good resources you recommend?
@@DainetheHistorian Something in my comment as a whole is triggering its deletion by yt. I'll try in parts.
A good place for a first look is the website Anabaptist World (AW). I suppose you already know of it. It's accurate and provides good leads. John E. Sharp has written several articles about the Mennonites of Central Asia published by AW. He was a professor at Hesston College, which is a Mennonite school, but he has not published a book on that subject. He may be willing to share some info, give you leads. If you want to save yourself some money then jstor for research papers is a must visit, though the Anabaptists are sadly kind of an esoteric topic. You get 100 per month for free, though not all papers are free, using your google logon.
_The Great Trek of the Russian Mennonites to Central Asia, 1880-1884_ by Fred Richard Belk. Covers it all. The Mennonites at the time faced the dilemma of migrating east to Central Asia or west to the New World.
_Mennonites in Europe_ by John Horsch. pg 282 covers the topic briefly. Names of leaders, dates, locations, etc. The chapter about Russia is pretty good with a lot of info about Mennonite migration during the Revolution era.
_Mennonites in the Cities of Imperial Russia: Volume Two_ by Helmut T. Huebert. Cities of Omsk (north of Kazahkstan) and Tokmok, Kyrgyzstan. Volume One is Ukraine and Russia. BTW, Huebert has written a few other books about the Mennonites. _His Mennonite Estates in Imperial Russia_ is fascinating. Mostly Ukraine and Russia, but further east too.
_The Mennonite Brethren Church Around the World: Celebrating 150 Years_ by Abe J Dueck. Decent account of what happened to Mennonites who remained in the USSR.
You already know about _Czars, Soviets & Mennonites_ .
And all of these have bibliographies that may prove useful to your endeavours.
If you want an offbeat topic, _The Mennonites of Indonesia. A Cloud of Witnesses_ by John D. Roth is probably the only book on the subject.
The above mentioned books are able to be borrowed online from the lending library. For some reason yt dislikes the name of the place. It's archival.
Good video but the music is sometime quite annoying!
Hi Tobitobiify, thank you for your comment. What was it about the music that was annoying? Was it repetitive, too loud, or bad music? I want to know so that i can improve.
@@DainetheHistorian First, I doubt music is necessary in a history video documentary like this. In narrative or fictional films, music is often used for emotional reasons, but why is it necessary here? Second, I found the music too loud in in some instances and third, I found the music especially from 4:12 to 4:46 and the drumming distracting from the content.
Another suggestion for improvement: Use images of scenes from Salomon Böger's time, not those that clearly show later times. In my view, pictures of modern Vienna or the Gothic Revival Hungarian parliament building which was built around 1900 do not clarify what is said.
Thank you for the advice. I really appreciate it and I do agree with you.
Daine, thank you for your interesting histories. I am glad that I came across them and have been enjoying them very much. I am Lutheran and am ashamed of Martin Luther's destructive tendency to belittle those who have different ideas than him. He has caused the loss of life and limb to thousands of people throughout history.
The Hutterite community of that time is a pattetn for present day Christians in their depth of obedience to Jesus and God's word, notwithstanding their willingness to suffer as martyrs through being fearless of what man could do to them. Their "fear of man" is nothing compared to their fear of God.